00:39:14 <novelcoronavirus> woah, wallet does swaps?
00:42:05 <louipc> yea wanna swap
00:42:39 <louipc> .val .00001 btc xmr
00:42:40 <Wallet> louipc: 0.00121121 XMR • ≈ value of: 0.00001 BTC • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
00:43:52 <louipc> .btc xtip .0001  xmr
00:43:53 <Wallet> louipc: You want to xtip 0.0001 BTC for 0.01211214 XMR (~$4.94819034)? y/n (10s)
00:43:57 <louipc> y
00:43:58 <Wallet> louipc: You created xtip of 0.0001 BTC for 0.01211214 XMR [ad89237f]
00:44:25 <louipc> oh i forgot nobody uses the bot for monero
01:24:43 <Norkle> .faucet
01:24:43 <Wallet> N​orkle: How long is the string​ CRD
01:24:46 <Norkle> 3
01:24:46 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000045 XMR to Norkle [96879df0] Wait ≈1 day 5 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01680391
05:18:02 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
05:18:03 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
05:18:06 <Metamorphosis> .beg
05:18:07 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 22 hours to go.
06:52:31 <Duvio> .faucet
06:52:34 <Wallet> D​uvio: What is sqrt of ON​E
06:52:37 <Duvio> 1
06:52:38 <Wallet> Duvio: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000028 XMR to Duvio [b26461ff] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01680111
06:53:04 <Duvio> .help
06:53:05 <Wallet> Duvio: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw  | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
06:56:16 <Duvio> I cant find the source code of this bot
06:56:22 <Duvio> This is unacceptable
07:20:40 <Indigenz[m]> https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-wallet-used-by-darkside-for-ransom-payments-idd-by-elliptic
07:22:40 <Indigenz[m]> I hope this is relevant
07:22:40 <Indigenz[m]> Cyber group gets paid in BTC call me new but I'm skeptical
07:29:56 <Mochi102> Indigenz[m], maybe they're confident that Atomic Swaps are on the horizon and will be implemented soon.
08:18:28 <Inge-> .faucet
08:18:28 <Wallet> I​nge-: How many digits is​ 1
08:18:31 <Inge-> 1
08:18:31 <Wallet> Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to Inge- [6f90c03a] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01680071
08:23:23 <Metamorphosis> .faucet
08:23:23 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 20 hours to go.
08:33:58 <walton> .beg
08:33:58 <Wallet> w​alton: Zero less ​than 8?
08:34:08 <walton> yes
08:34:08 <Wallet> walton: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
09:51:39 <walton> .beg
09:51:41 <Wallet> w​alton: How many char​s in RNDR
09:51:46 <walton> 4
09:51:46 <Wallet> walton: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to walton [4bd95979] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01679931
10:02:54 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
10:02:54 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
10:02:56 <Metamorphosis> .befr
10:02:56 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! Treat went over duck's head! And it flew away! 🦆 ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')>  'BYE BYE DUCKIE!!' Ratio: 54 of 85 Treats: 0 of 2
10:03:05 <Metamorphosis> :|
10:07:41 <devbordecraft[m]> .beg
10:07:42 <Wallet> dev​bordecraft[m]: How long is the word co​ol
10:07:53 <Wallet> devbordecraft[m]: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
10:07:54 <devbordecraft[m]> 4
10:08:11 <devbordecraft[m]> Bad bot
10:17:58 <Mochi102> cool is forever
10:31:36 <walton> .balances
10:31:37 <Wallet> walton: Balances • (≈$0 USD)  • Staking: N/A • [N]
10:35:17 <walton> .val 1 eth xmr
10:35:17 <Wallet> walton: ≈4.63 XMR • ≈ value of: 1 ETH • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
10:36:13 <walton> .top10
10:36:13 <Wallet> walton: Help: .top10 - Top 10 Sharers
10:36:30 <walton> .top10 30
10:36:31 <Wallet> walton: Top 10 XMR Senders in past 30 day(s): #1  @b​onuspot: ≈0.00937 ● #2 devbordecraft 🥷 on matrix: ≈0.00478 ● #3 rupee[m]: ≈0.00276 ● #4 louipc: ≈0.00201 ● #5 Tj2cool on discord: ≈0.00119 ● #6 philkode: ≈0.00052 ● #7 bogsuv: ≈0.00043 ● #8 somethingUniqueR: ≈0.00026 ● #9 mutante: ≈0.00004 ● #10 Mochi101: ≈0.00003 ● Total: ≈0.02139
10:37:51 <walton> .8ball Is monero the real deal ?
10:37:51 <Wallet> walton: YES
10:38:37 <walton> ha !
10:41:20 <[D]> :))
10:42:15 <Mochi102> .faucet
10:42:16 <Wallet> Mo​chi102: Of 7 + 4​, which is 7
10:42:19 <Mochi102> 7
10:42:19 <Wallet> Mochi102: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000031 XMR to Mochi102 [29d447b9] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01679621
10:42:49 <Mochi102> .jackpot all
10:42:49 <Wallet> Mochi102: Oops too much. This is a friendly game for fun.. @bonuspot: 0.01679621 Max: 0.0002 XMR
10:43:33 <Mochi102> Bill48105, ^^^ seems like an error
10:50:11 <Duvio> .duckcall
10:50:12 <Wallet> Duvio: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
10:50:24 <Duvio> What dis
10:53:15 <walton> .help duckcall
10:53:15 <Wallet> walton: Help: .duckcall - Call a duck
10:53:23 <walton> eh
10:53:27 <walton> .duckcall
10:53:28 <Wallet> walton: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
11:01:14 <moneromooo> .duckcall
11:01:14 <Wallet> moneromooo: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
11:01:27 <moneromooo> They got scared by people trying to shoot em
11:05:39 <louipc> .val .0028 xmr usd
11:05:40 <Wallet> louipc: ≈$1.1756 • ≈ value of: 0.0028 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
11:05:48 <azy> .faucet
11:05:52 <Wallet> ​azy: Secon​d digit of 69
11:05:54 <azy> 9
11:05:55 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to azy [048dc521] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01679121
11:05:57 <azy> .duckcall
11:05:58 <Wallet> azy: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
11:06:01 <louipc> .soak .0028
11:06:02 <Wallet> louipc: Really soak 0.0028 XMR? y/n (10s)
11:06:08 <louipc> y
11:06:09 <Wallet> louipc soaked 0.00018 XMR (0.0028 Total) upon 15 users @ 1193 minutes selsta Gingeropolous stev3 Mysteryhunter charolastra Mochi101 Duvio FIBONACCI Wallet Bi​ll48105 Metamorphosis novelcoronavirus sethsimmons moneromooo woodser @bonuspot (0.0001 scraps) [46ab2671]
11:06:25 <louipc> .top10
11:06:26 <Wallet> louipc: Help: .top10 - Top 10 Sharers
11:06:46 <azy> .balance
11:06:46 <louipc> .top10 365
11:06:46 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0.0007477 XMR (≈0.31 USD)
11:06:47 <Wallet> louipc: Top 10 XMR Senders in past 365 day(s): #1 TripityDudeGuy: ≈0.18065 ● #2 FIBONACCI: ≈0.08199 ● #3 philkode: ≈0.06052 ● #4 rupee[m]: ≈0.03561 ● #5  @b​onuspot: ≈0.02273 ● #6 Bi​ll48105: ≈0.01549 ● #7 louipc: ≈0.00481 ● #8 devbordecraft 🥷 on matrix: ≈0.00478 ● #9 Tj2cool on discord: ≈0.00137 ● #10 somethingUniqueR: ≈0.00086 ● Total: ≈0.40881
11:06:53 <louipc> dang
11:06:57 <louipc> .top10 30
11:06:58 <Wallet> louipc: Top 10 XMR Senders in past 30 day(s): #1  @b​onuspot: ≈0.00938 ● #2 louipc: ≈0.00481 ● #3 devbordecraft 🥷 on matrix: ≈0.00478 ● #4 rupee[m]: ≈0.00276 ● #5 Tj2cool on discord: ≈0.00119 ● #6 philkode: ≈0.00052 ● #7 bogsuv: ≈0.00043 ● #8 somethingUniqueR: ≈0.00026 ● #9 mutante: ≈0.00004 ● #10 Mochi101: ≈0.00003 ● Total: ≈0.0242
11:07:14 <louipc> wooho
11:08:15 <louipc> there are so many more dogecoin soaks
11:09:38 <louipc> .val 0.18065 xmr
11:09:38 <Wallet> louipc: ≈$75.9448 • ≈ value of: 0.18065 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
11:39:57 <Metamorphosis> Thank you louipc
11:40:02 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
11:40:02 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
11:40:10 <Metamorphosis> .beg
11:40:10 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 18 hours to go.
12:09:40 <volantaryism1[m]> Indigenz: how do these ransomware people not know how to generate new addresses every time
12:21:05 <walton> my monero wallet cli logged this : [Warn ] SignalProxy::handleInitData() received initData for unregistered Object: "IrcUser" "1/kyalth"
12:21:11 <walton> what does it mean ?
12:21:41 <moneromooo> It means it was pwned by a work which morphed it into dangerous attack code.
12:21:45 <moneromooo> worm*
12:21:59 <walton> damn
12:22:02 <moneromooo> Alternatively, you're mistaken.
12:22:14 <moneromooo> Because that looks not at all like a monero log.
12:23:31 <walton> ah ok, it was outputed in the terminal where I launched monero-wallet-cli. So I tought it was that.
12:23:56 <walton> you're right, it's probably another process printing on stdout
12:24:30 <walton> I feel dumb now lol
12:25:08 <gingeropolous> its ok. takes practice. like any musical instrument
12:25:22 <gingeropolous> linux just plays some funky music
12:25:34 <walton> :)
12:26:17 <gingeropolous> but whattoo i know. im still banging pots and pans :P
12:34:33 <louipc> that is legit
12:36:04 <louipc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk-q-TBdU4k
15:48:03 <prof0und_madman[> Elliptic are a client of the agency I work for. Proving bitcoin is traceable https://t.co/muYd7zkhq8
16:25:20 <apotheon> prof0und_madman[: What agency is that?
16:30:57 <prof0und_madman[> It’s a HubSpot web agency. Nothing to fear 😂
16:57:44 <msvb-lab> There is a Village at Defcon 29 (August 2021) meeting in #monero-events in about one hour at 18:00 UTC.
16:58:13 <msvb-lab> The agenda is at https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/572/
18:25:58 <raecarruth> rottenwheel: this one :p
18:26:40 <rottenwheel> I hardly ever participate in here anywhere. Much better and smaller channels elsewhere.
18:26:53 <raecarruth> indeed
18:28:06 <apotheon> rottenwheel: . . . like what?
18:28:12 <apotheon> raecarruth: . . . like what?
18:28:27 <apotheon> I'm interested in cool channels.
18:28:31 <raecarruth> like #theholyroger :)
18:28:46 <rottenwheel> <apotheon "rottenwheel: . . . like what?"> Nice try NSA.
18:29:47 <apotheon> raecarruth: Unfortunately, chanserv info doesn't tell me anything about it.  Why would I like it?
18:29:55 <apotheon> (I don't want to just be join/part spam.)
18:30:15 <raecarruth> it's full of strange people who talk smack
18:30:19 <raecarruth> you might not like it
18:30:20 <apotheon> hmm
18:30:31 <apotheon> seems like it might be *too much* smack-talk for me
18:30:41 <apotheon> if that's the whole pitch
18:30:51 <apotheon> ("strange people" seems cool, though)
18:31:00 <apotheon> (I am, allegedly, a strange people.)
18:31:17 <raecarruth> nah, hold on
18:31:40 <raecarruth> https://theholyroger.com/Roger-Radio/
18:31:45 <rottenwheel> <apotheon "(I am, allegedly, a strange peop"> I can confirm.
18:31:48 <raecarruth> https://theholyroger.com/
18:32:25 <apotheon> rottenwheel: Tell me more!
18:32:47 <raecarruth>  rottenwheel posts a naked selfie in there every day
18:33:11 <rottenwheel> Lol.
18:33:39 <apotheon> definitely staying away from that
18:33:57 <apotheon> I meant "tell me more" about confirming that I'm a strange people.
18:34:25 <apotheon> rent-a-troll
18:34:26 <apotheon> hmm
18:34:54 <raecarruth> useful service
18:34:56 <apotheon> must go AFK for a bit
18:34:58 <apotheon> ta
18:35:17 <apotheon> (NSA analyst duties require me to write up a report of this conversation)
18:37:27 <louipc> you writing that by hand or wot
19:12:55 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> Does the jurisdiction of the crypto exchange matter?
19:16:01 <apotheon> maybe
19:26:33 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> <apotheon "maybe"> I ask because Kraken is being investigated, and DOJ/IRS are trying to investigate Binance. It's not obvious to me where Binance is based, their location (wherever it is) might provide some legal advantage in terms of non-compliance with US authorities, but I also find it shady, especially since some of the jobs on their website ask for Mandarin-fluency for "communicating with various stakeholders
19:26:33 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> across the company", which suggests ties to mainland China.
19:27:44 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> Are there any good European exchanges?
19:29:07 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> * I ask because Kraken is being investigated, and DOJ/IRS are trying to investigate Binance. It's not obvious to me where Binance is based, their location (wherever it is) might provide some legal advantage in terms of non-compliance with US authorities, but I also find it shady, especially since some of the jobs on their website ask for Mandarin-fluency for "communicating with various stakeholders across the
19:29:07 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> company", which suggests strong ties to mainland China.
19:30:10 <louipc> CrowmacMcCarthy[: well yea you know who the founder is rite
19:31:49 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> <louipc "Crowmac McCarthy: well yea you k"> Yeah, I know. It worries me how big Binance is as well.
19:32:14 <louipc> yea its become pretty insane
19:36:50 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
19:36:50 <CrowmacMcCarthy[> It's a new monopoly capitalism
19:36:50 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
19:39:26 <walton> .duckcall
19:39:26 <Wallet> walton: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
19:45:27 <nioc> monopoly capitalism is not new
19:45:38 <nioc> kraken is not being investigated
19:46:04 <nioc> they are asking to provide records so that users can be investigated
19:46:26 <nioc> same thing that was asked of coinbase a few years ago
19:49:28 <moneromooo> I believe that's what is called a "fishing expedition".
19:49:43 <moneromooo> Or used to be when it was considered bad form.
19:56:41 <louipc> its a dragnet!
19:56:55 <walton> what's the current status of decentrilized finance ? Is this something we can hope for in the short term ?
19:58:24 <apotheon> 19:49 < moneromooo> Or used to be when it was considered bad form.
19:58:26 <apotheon> yep, indeed
19:59:00 <apotheon> walton: There are rumors of a test atomic swap on the Monero blockchain, apparently.
19:59:15 <apotheon> . . . so things might be close to general availability.
19:59:28 <walton> nice
19:59:33 <apotheon> one can hope
20:00:02 <nioc> fishing expedition, hmmm, on a boat?
20:00:16 <apotheon> the ship of state
20:00:23 <moneromooo> That ship has sailed.
20:00:30 <apotheon> Is it gone yet?
20:00:41 <moneromooo> to hell and back.
20:00:48 <apotheon> damn, it's back
20:00:53 <apotheon> pun intended
21:00:19 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
21:00:20 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
22:54:09 <healthycastle> Pardon the skepticism, but lets say Monero gets widely adopted and the blockchain increases by 5 gb each day. Wouldn't each user connected to a remote node be required to check all of that new data each time they load up the wallet? If that's the case how is Monero expected to accommodate the vast majority of users who don't have internet and
22:54:10 <healthycastle> computers fast enough to handle all that?
22:56:42 <moneromooo> At the moment, yes. I won't accomodate the world as is. Bitcoin won't either. Improvements will be needed first.
22:57:08 <louipc> yea no crypto can scale to visa or mastercard type levels
23:00:00 <hyc> a blockchain simply can't scale. it will need to split. sharded or whatever.
23:02:54 <hyc> regional chains, isolated geographically. e.g. one chain per continent, as a start. with cross-chain atomic swap for inter-continental trades
23:03:14 <kayabaNerve_> or use of a beacon chain
23:03:30 <hyc> because the majority of transactions will tend to be local, and there's no point to having the entire world validate everyone's txns
23:03:30 <fatchan> computers and internet get faster over time too
23:04:04 <hyc> and you're going to need this kind of multi-chain architecture anyway, to handle colonies on the moon or mars
23:04:46 <hyc> as much as possible, txns should be handled on a local chain, with only very rare txns needing to involve a more physically remote chain
23:05:31 <hyc> the notion of a single global blockchain serving everyone in the world is pure delusion
23:06:00 <louipc> is this something like lightning network idea
23:06:09 <louipc> layer2
23:07:32 <hyc> I don't believe layer2 solves the moon/mars scenario
23:08:26 <hyc> the only solution is proximity-based partitioning. geographically, per-continent, whatever.
23:09:30 <hyc> and keeping in mind that BTC devs imagine BTC will still be in operation in the year 2140 when the final coin is emitted
23:09:49 <hyc> it is ridiculously small-minded to only plan for global functionality
23:09:50 <apotheon> layer zero; sharding
23:10:08 <hyc> by 2140 we should be spreading throughout the inner solar system at least
23:10:44 <moneromooo> And the alien pest control spaceships will appear.
23:11:06 <apotheon> They'll fumigate hives of fiat currency users.
23:11:11 <hyc> lol
23:11:39 <hyc> just saying, if you really want to design the currency of the future, you need to look at what kind of system that future is going to need
23:11:51 <apotheon> next up: BTC maximalists
23:11:55 <hyc> bitcoin ain't it. blockchains ain't it.
23:12:35 <louipc> lol global is good enough to start
23:12:55 <hyc> to start - with the understanding that it will continue to evolve
23:12:58 <apotheon> We need a thriving market in useful cryptocurrencies, first, and not just some kind of competition among a few contenders for "One True Unusable Blockchain".
23:13:09 <hyc> the BTC maximalists always leave that part out, they claim BTC is perfect money already
23:13:20 <louipc> but yea i dont see why there wouldnt be local layer2 nodes for such purposes
23:13:53 <louipc> i'd claim that they dont quite understand money :p
23:14:00 <hyc> lol
23:14:02 <hyc> clearly
23:16:15 <hyc> I've talked about this before. Still think independent regional chains is the only way to scale for global visa/mastercard level load
23:16:47 <hyc> in this scheme I'm a bit worried though that mining hash power won't be well distributed
23:17:08 <hyc> and a smaller regional chain could get overwhelmed 51% attacked more easily
23:17:40 <hyc> the only thing that comes to mind to stop that is network latency; the further you are from the target region, the greater lag for your miners
23:20:14 <apotheon> Improve forkability.
23:20:17 <louipc> then wardriving 51% attacks
23:20:38 <apotheon> 51% attack for mining results in a single entity having control of one fork and everyone else using the other fork.
23:43:42 <endor00[m]> What about multiple chains, but a single combined mining process?
23:44:19 <hyc> explain ...
23:44:30 <hyc> and no.
23:44:40 <hyc> doesn't solve the moon/mars scenario
23:45:05 <apotheon> Yeah, the biggest problem hyc raised for consideration is latency.
23:45:20 <apotheon> Even the moon adds considerable latency.
23:46:30 <endor00[m]> Oh, I was only thinking about the "global" scale, not moon/mars
23:46:43 <hyc> dude, your nick is "endor"
23:47:04 <endor00[m]> Instead of mining the tip of a single chain, you have multiple "regional" chains which store the data, but they all get mined "at once" with a block header that combines them all
23:47:33 <hyc> that requires they can all communicate with low latency to create the combined block header
23:47:45 <endor00[m]> <hyc "dude, your nick is "endor""> Funny enough, I picked it randomly long before watching Star Wars
23:50:39 <endor00[m]> For the moon/mars scenario, I'd say the best solution is something akin to atomic swaps between two compatible chains
23:51:04 <hyc> yeah I don't see any other possibility
23:55:50 <hyc> someone should do a fake visa commercial for xmr https://youtu.be/QzHigHN2bSA
23:56:12 <hyc> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJV5c2_RSpI
23:57:05 <louipc> where bitcoin is the showstopper instead of amex
23:57:13 <hyc> "If you want to explore moonbase Alpha, be prepared for the trip of a lifetime. But bring your Monero, because they don't take cash"
23:57:34 <hyc> cash/visa/etc...