00:32:28 <apotheon> I guess I need a Monero mining botnet.
00:37:28 <apotheon> . . . that only infects people who work for the IRS and the Treasury Department.
00:38:24 <Bill48105> Mochi101 i disabled games in here because there were complaints
00:39:01 <Bill48105> people can play them in the bot channels like ##wallet #walletbot or #tippero
00:39:12 <moneromooo> Ooooh, no more duckycides ! yay :D
00:41:16 <Bill48105> lol
00:45:14 <apotheon> Now moneromooo won't get to see people feed the ducks, either.
00:56:49 <Bill48105> oh ducks are on safe list they're technically not in the games :D
01:09:22 <ra33it0[m]> Elon Musk is getting annoying
01:11:50 <hyc> at this point "boy who cried wolf" has to be setting in. people should know better by now
01:13:12 <Bill48105> getting? lol
01:16:52 <Duvio> Holy shit, i looked at the price of bitcoin and monero and they had a huge dip, whst happened ?
01:17:53 <entry1> <Duvio "Holy shit, i looked at the price"> #monero-markets:monero.social
01:17:59 <jellyfishes> hey gang, I noticed that the sha sums on the Monero download page are for the new 20.1 release, but the link for the Linux GUI (maybe others?) still points to 20
01:18:21 <selsta> jellyfishes: try to use a private window
01:18:44 <jellyfishes> this was wgetting the hashes.txt from a tail install, no caches in the way (in theory)
01:18:53 <jellyfishes> this was wgetting the hashes.txt from a tails install, no caches in the way (in theory)
01:19:54 <jellyfishes> just checked from a different PC and yeah they're the old SHAs
01:20:01 <selsta> post the SHA sum
01:20:22 <selsta> what is the hash of the downloaded bin and what does it say in hashes.txt?
01:20:45 <jellyfishes> 72dfca40797201604a6b2fb97935037f62d3153360695cf732dee3d12e167da3 is what hashes.txt says
01:21:29 <jellyfishes> but the download for linux points to ee31d67f3df174cc88b01a528aa9d882504fb5f7ae805f449ff35820a4d45bbb
01:22:10 <jellyfishes> oh! important point - I'm on the .onion site
01:22:30 <selsta> oh ok that explains it
01:24:22 <jellyfishes> how so?
01:24:37 <selsta> someone has to fix the .onion site
01:24:45 <jellyfishes> ohhhh okay, cool
01:24:48 <selsta> it's not updated properly
01:25:33 <jellyfishes> I'll leave it in your capable hands
01:25:45 <jellyfishes> (collectively capable that is)
01:25:52 <selsta> I don't have access to fix this :D
01:25:57 <selsta> but I messaged someone
01:26:11 <selsta> I thought it was fixed already :/
01:26:12 <jellyfishes> thank you kindly
01:26:29 <jellyfishes> ciao, keep up the great work
01:28:33 <hyc> what 20 release?
01:28:53 <selsta> v0.17.2.0
02:21:50 <KSaunderson> mj-xmr: i made the changes to that PR, can you take a look when you get a chance? https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7707/files/21ff3b454f670ef1b0c25223d6505798ce776b4a..48a2a7b7915078a03af4cecbd034d2dc7553973c
02:21:54 <KSaunderson> Thanks!
03:12:32 <Norkle> .faucet
03:12:33 <Wallet> N​orkle: Of 7 ? 0, wh​ich is 0
03:12:35 <Norkle> 0
03:12:35 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.000025 XMR to Norkle [c8d030b8] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0166467
03:19:33 <nioc> KSaunderson: mj-xmr is not in this channel.  Did you mean to post that in -dev?
03:54:01 <KSaunderson> nioc: hmm yes
03:54:03 <KSaunderson> Thanks
03:54:25 <nioc> yw
04:12:54 <ishikawa[m]> Is it a good time to buy right now?
04:17:10 <ishikawa[m]> Or will it go down more?
04:31:19 <eck> good q
04:48:33 <yanmaani> thoughts on suterusu?
05:08:28 <apotheon> ishikawa[m]: "time in the market beats timing the market"
05:11:12 <Jake[m]> Any word on when TARI will leave testnet and hit the market?
05:22:54 <Metamorphosis> . beg
05:22:54 <Wallet> Me​tamorphosis: Of 2 a​nd 8, which is 8
05:22:57 <Metamorphosis> 8
05:22:58 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: @bonuspot tipped 0.00001 XMR to Metamorphosis [08724e87] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0166334
05:47:15 <prof0und_madman[> Just bought a 12 month sub to Mullvad VPN using Monero from ProxyStore.
05:47:16 <prof0und_madman[> Got to say it was private and quick to go through. If anyone is looking to do the same I highly recommend it.
05:56:41 <raecarruth> proxystore?
05:56:43 <raecarruth> unfamiliar
06:10:42 <prof0und_madman[> <raecarruth "proxystore?"> They’re a new reseller for Mullvad based in Germany. You can check the reseller page on Mullvad website.
06:11:18 <raecarruth> link to proxystore site?
06:17:50 <mandelbrot42[m]> https://digitalgoods.proxysto.re/
07:28:35 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
07:28:35 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
07:32:46 <Duvio> .faucet
07:32:48 <Wallet> D​uvio: Snow White had how many dwarfs named Gr​umpy
07:32:56 <Duvio> 1
07:32:57 <Wallet> Duvio: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Duvio [42fa41e1] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0166298
07:33:07 <Duvio> .help
07:33:07 <Wallet> Duvio: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw  | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
07:36:35 <Duvio> It would take me 9 years to reach the withdraw minimum of 0.01 XMR
07:37:36 <Duvio> .duckcall
07:37:36 <Wallet> Duvio: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
07:42:05 <Metamorphosis> .bal
07:42:06 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: 0.00003177 XMR (≈$0.01)
09:33:36 <ForeverNoob[m]> Is using Bisq currently the most privacy-friendly way to buy/sell XMR for fiat or are there better alternatives?
09:34:06 <azy> localmonero.co is an option
09:35:13 <ForeverNoob[m]> thanks, I'll check that out.
09:37:06 <ForeverNoob[m]> Seems like localmonero.co requires JS to function, which is not recommended to do on the TBB.
09:37:28 <azy> is js worse than an entire app on your computer?
09:37:41 <azy> TBB?
09:37:50 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
09:37:50 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
09:38:05 <azy> .faucet
09:38:07 <Wallet> ​azy: Of 3​ + 4, which is 4
09:38:10 <azy> 4
09:38:10 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000038 XMR to azy [d236b12d] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.016626
09:38:34 <parazyd> .faucet
09:38:35 <Wallet> p​arazyd: Three Little Pigs + their​ houses
09:38:39 <parazyd> 6
09:38:39 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.000008 XMR to parazyd [0e97d64c] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.016618
09:41:13 <Mochi101> .faucet
09:41:14 <Wallet> Mo​chi101: How long is the​ word hunt
09:41:18 <Mochi101> 4
09:41:19 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Mochi101 [16c83a9a] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0166147
09:41:35 <Mochi101> .balance
09:41:36 <Wallet> Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000296 XMR (≈0.01 USD)
09:41:45 <asymptotically> Mochi101: don't spend it all at once!
09:41:48 <Mochi101> .balance doge
09:41:49 <Wallet> Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.217 DOGE (≈0.09 USD)
09:41:55 <azy> .balance doge
09:41:55 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0.89 DOGE (≈0.35 USD)
09:41:59 <azy> woah
09:42:21 <Mochi101> retirement ready
09:42:34 <azy> i can almost buy half a wow with that
09:43:14 <ForeverNoob[m]> azy: TBB = Tor Browser Bundle. There have been numerous attacks against its JS engine in the past, so yes, it's advisable to trust a dedicated app which has been scrutinized by auditors more than an entire browser.
09:48:01 <asymptotically> ForeverNoob[m]: well you are already trusting localmonero to not steal your funds, what's a little JS on top of that? :P
09:48:53 <ForeverNoob[m]> wait so localmonero isn't a trustless exchange? I presume it works with multisig.
09:50:14 <asymptotically> you presumed wrong :D
09:50:44 <asymptotically> they hold onto the XMR and act as an escrow
09:52:37 <azy> and then you have to worry about the guy youre trading with scamming you
09:54:24 <Mochi101> You're probably better off just giving your Monero to me.
09:54:40 <Mochi101> mochi101⊙mi
09:54:42 <Mochi101> thanks
09:55:08 <kjd> i've got a dumb question...if i want to mine solo but have 2 pcs, is it possible to do it as one through a proxy, or both pcs can only solo mine separately?
09:56:41 <asymptotically> kjd: you can set up xmrig-proxy if you want, or just connect two instances of xmrig to the daemon running on one pc
09:57:23 <kjd> so A is running a daemon, and I just connect A+B with xmrig-proxy, and point xmrig-proxy to A's daemon?
09:57:48 <ForeverNoob[m]> azy: yeah but that's... with every exchange that deals with fiat.
09:58:08 <kjd> would A's daemon be running mining? or just straight daemon...
09:58:32 <asymptotically> best to use xmrig and not mine in the daemon. it's quite a bit faster and can apply some performance tweaks for you
09:58:49 <kjd> ok, thanks, will try it out
09:59:12 <Metamorphosis> Hello. How can one mine XMR with a laptop
10:00:53 <charolastra> best not to do that. it will have a weak CPU and it will throttle down through the heat
10:20:08 <pixelized[m]> does anyone here have an estimate of what percentage of btc's energy consumption XMR would consume if they had the same global usage?
10:20:54 <parazyd> Over 9000
10:21:53 <pixelized[m]> deep
10:22:42 <parazyd> Global energy consumption is a meme and you shouldn't get into the FUD
10:23:19 <pixelized[m]> i'm not getting into the fud - the advantages of crypto far outweigh the costs in this regard
10:23:35 <pixelized[m]> but i also don't think global energy consumption is just a meme
10:23:55 <prof0und_madman[> .balance
10:23:55 <Wallet> prof0und_madman[: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?
10:24:06 <pixelized[m]> intuitively i'd say that for any decent pow algorithm it'd need to be about the same, since otherwise the difference would be that less work is done by miners, which would exclude one of them from being as decent as the other
10:24:37 <prof0und_madman[> .duckcall
10:24:38 <Wallet> prof0und_madman[: Access denied for duckcall. Are you logged in?
10:25:13 <pixelized[m]> as far as i'm concerned, bringing global energy consumption down overall is a good thing, and keeping it down for crypto is especially a good thing, since a miner who needs less energy can get it from a greater variety of sources, increasing their resilience
10:25:45 <pixelized[m]> large facilities often depend on a single central provider of a particular kind of energy, so that's a single point of failure
10:26:02 <pixelized[m]> and i suppose greater energy usage overall also discourages people who make their own electricity from mining
10:26:23 <pixelized[m]> and people who get their own energy to mine would also be contributing to decentralization in that way
10:27:03 <moneromooo> Energy consumption does not depend on usage, it depends on price multiplied by emission.
10:27:22 <moneromooo> More usage will probably increase price, but the function is very unclear.
10:27:33 <pixelized[m]> which i perhaps wrongfully called 'usage' together
10:28:26 <pixelized[m]> i suppose i should have said 'same parameters'
10:29:10 <pixelized[m]> but regardless, i'd think the energy consumption would be the same in such a scenario, intuitively
10:29:12 <pixelized[m]> seems about right or nah?
10:41:54 <moneromooo> If the fiat equivalent per unit of time were the same, yes.
11:04:30 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
11:04:30 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
11:04:31 <Metamorphosis> .bang
11:04:32 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: WOOSH! MISSED! Try again in 5 seconds Ratio: 34 of 53 Bullets: 1 of 2
11:04:40 <Metamorphosis> .bang
11:04:40 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: YOU GOT IT! Time: ≈10.32 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000001 XMR! [3bf5b1a3] Ratio: 35 of 54 Bullets: 0 of 2
11:04:43 <Metamorphosis> .reload
11:04:43 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.
11:17:56 <Joeri[m]> rip the recent stonks
11:30:47 * moneromooo grins
11:31:02 <moneromooo> Oh wait. Two shots ? Cheating.
11:39:06 <ern> I befriended the duck
11:47:42 <pixelized[m]> <Joeri[m] "rip the recent stonks"> yup, my poor wallet's dollar value
11:49:57 <azy> .help
11:49:58 <Wallet> azy: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw  | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
11:50:11 <azy> .help soak
11:50:12 <Wallet> azy: Help: .soak <amt|amtx#> [minutes] - Sends each active & bonustime user an equal share of soaked amount
11:50:35 <azy> .duckcall
11:50:36 <Wallet> azy: No duck for you! (Try tomorrow or add a bribe to the call)
11:50:37 <charolastra> pixelized[m]: energy consumption for the individual transaction is irrelevant and an arbitrarily set choice. the energy is put into securing the network
12:08:17 <coppa> how weird : I updated the monero gui from  getmonero.org and the ledger app to the last ones (I shasumed before using). I successfully sent one very small transaction to an address. And wfen I was doing the second one (significant amount), the address written in the GUI was correct on the dialog to build the transaction but at the last step on the
12:08:17 <coppa> ledger (after the "accpet change") the destination displayed was not the correct one. I canceled everything but its scary
12:10:38 <dEBRUYNE> Are you sending funds to an integrated address?
12:11:14 <coppa> its an exchange
12:11:30 <coppa> i am reading your post about the subject on reddit one year old
12:12:11 <coppa> I will check with your answer about xmrllcoins.net etc etc
12:14:57 <dEBRUYNE> Please do
12:16:55 <coppa> ok following your post, the address match standard XMR = the one displayed on the ledger
12:17:11 <coppa> thanks and sorry for time
12:17:28 <moneromooo> coppa wins 5 points for double checking things before sending
12:18:18 <coppa> eheh :)
12:26:15 <alqod99> hello
12:28:30 <moneromooo> hi
12:28:42 <alqod99> on pulls there is https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7661 that can be very useful for small cpu as raspberry etc
12:28:50 <alqod99> why is not added yet
12:31:09 <hyc> nothing makes raspberry more useful. without hardware AES they will be too slow to keep up.
12:31:25 <hyc> use pine64 or odroid
12:31:52 <hyc> donate raspberry to the local CoderDojo, it's not useful for any real world work
12:33:16 <parazyd> ++
12:42:33 <alqod99> good point i compiled successfully for arm Cortex-A53 but hardware aes is not working for unknowing reason
12:43:09 <hyc> reason is not unknown. raspberry pis have no hardware AES support
12:43:20 <hyc> they have never licensed it for any of their chips
12:51:58 <alqod99> i compiled for xiaomi 10 that has for sure hardware aes but crashed
13:28:16 <pixelized[m]> <hyc "nothing makes raspberry more use"> i'm running a node on a rpi and it's fine so far
13:53:18 <prof0und_madman[> Best place to buy anonymously? I’ve just checked LocalMonero and a lot of ads are now asking for ID.
13:53:41 <prof0und_madman[> I wouldn’t be coming to LocalMonero site if I wanted to use ID
13:56:54 <barbacoa> if you don't mind giving out a phone number you could use kucoin
14:07:02 <alqod99> bisq
14:08:39 <alqod99> how to insert this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7661
14:09:45 <pixelized[m]> <prof0und_madman[ "Best place to buy anonymously? I"> wait a short time for atomic swaps
14:10:38 <alqod99> bisq
15:00:10 <tpdcl[m]> Hey so I'm trying to sync the blockchain but every few seconds I get a new "Sync data returned a new top block candidate" for no reason and it's slowing the process down drastically.
15:00:12 <tpdcl[m]> https://pastebin.com/L4rdjynd
15:01:12 <moneromooo> Can you paste somewhere that won't get blcked by cloudflare (like paste.debian.net) ?
15:02:21 <tpdcl[m]> https://paste.debian.net/1197467/
16:32:09 <azy> i use barely any of my vps' bandwidth. how can i allocate more to monerod ?
16:32:53 <volantaryism1[m]> azy:monerod limit 999999
16:33:11 <volantaryism1[m]> out/in_peers 99999
17:22:42 <woodser> I'd like to create and not relay a tx using monero-wallet-rpc and then freeze its inputs so it remains valid or can be regenerated later
17:22:45 <woodser> is it possible?
17:26:58 <moneromooo> Set the relevant field (do_not_relay IIRC) on the tx. You don't know which outputs it's spending though, you'd need to add that info to the RPC response.
17:27:09 <moneromooo> There's also no freeze/thaw RPC IIRC. Easy to add.
17:29:11 <woodser> yeah I think the inputs need added to the rpc response
17:30:06 <moneromooo> It can tell you the key images though IIRC. might be enough?
17:46:57 <Indigenz[m]> Hello folks new here
17:46:57 <Indigenz[m]> Love learning about  Monero :)
17:52:52 <Indigenz[m]> .
17:53:32 <moneromooo> hi
18:18:53 <woodser> yeah that would work with the added rpc calls, but I don't see where key images are returned for unrelayed txs
18:22:26 <moneromooo> I looked, it's not accessible. You get metadata as a blob.
18:29:18 <woodser> presumably we would add a key_images field to the transfer and transfer_split responses which lists the key images for each tx?
18:36:04 <moneromooo> Either that or the output indices.
18:36:14 <semisimple> this is hilarious, it seems like that hacked pipeline ransom was paid in <unspecified untraceable cryptocurrency> https://archive.is/HNYss
18:37:13 <moneromooo> :/ Why is the world so shit...
18:37:30 <nioc> https://twitter.com/nicoleperlroth/status/1392896596208078849
18:37:57 <selsta> the article was changed, they used BTC apparently
18:38:04 <selsta> also nioc's tweet yea
18:38:06 <moneromooo> It's like meta shit. There is shit. You try to fix the shit. Shit jumps to cling on the new stuff to make it shit too. Fuck the world.
18:38:18 <gingeropolous> our institutions are deteriorating
18:38:44 <moneromooo> It's made of humans, that's what's wrong with it.
18:38:47 <moneromooo> Fuck humans.
18:38:50 <moneromooo> .duckcall
18:38:50 <Wallet> moneromooo: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
18:38:52 <gingeropolous> transitions are generally ..... not smooth
18:38:52 <moneromooo> .feed
18:38:57 <moneromooo> .befr
18:38:58 <Wallet> moneromooo: HE GOBBLED THE TREAT! Time: ≈7.97 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000009 XMR! [4be7f5e7] Ratio: 2 of 2 Treats: 0 of 2
18:39:03 <moneromooo> ^_^
18:39:13 <moneromooo> .befr
18:39:13 <Wallet> moneromooo: WTDuck you trying to befriend? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall
18:39:18 <gingeropolous> i mean, anything besides the status quo will feel different
18:40:33 <semisimple> nioc: damn it, I thought these guys were smart criminals, oh well, now they have the CIA on their ass, oh well
18:40:38 <moneromooo> That's true. Poster child being revolutions. Even the succesful ones are only succesful way later. In the short term, they're all bloody messes.
18:41:04 <nioc> someone suggested that the FBI probably suggested that they use btc
18:41:28 <nioc> :)
18:41:43 <nioc> tip moneromooo some cows
18:42:42 <moneromooo> So the only way to get a revolution is when things are so bad people are ready to get a short term (ie, their lifetime) realm of death in order to give their children a small chance at something better.
18:42:51 <moneromooo> Now that's a sobering thought.
18:43:09 <nioc> definitely need to live with other beings in addition to humans
18:43:13 <moneromooo> realm of death, now that's a weird choice of words.
18:43:41 <semisimple> I'm gonna make a meme, THINK CRYPTO RANSOMERS, USE A FUNGIBLE AND ANONYMOUS CRYPTOCURRENCY, THINK!
18:43:56 <moneromooo> Fuck off already.
18:45:21 <Indigenz[m]> Realm of death makes sense
18:45:21 <Indigenz[m]> No choice but to fight ha
18:45:34 <moneromooo> The ideal way forward would be a gentleman's agreement between the people and governments, where govts agree not to overstep. This would make things like monero basically not needed.
18:45:58 <moneromooo> But I think the last person who believed in a govt's gentleman's agreement is now dead.
18:46:24 <spirobel[m]> <moneromooo "So the only way to get a revolut"> thats wrong...revolutions usually happen when things get slightly better
18:46:35 <moneromooo> So we get into this shitty arms race trying to protect what privacy we have left, and it gets coopted by the scum of the earth.
18:46:53 <spirobel[m]> also the people that get involved in these kind of conflicts are usually idiots...
18:46:58 <spirobel[m]> monero chads are smart
18:47:00 <spirobel[m]> and wait
18:47:04 <spirobel[m]> in the background
18:47:09 <spirobel[m]> for the new order to emerge
18:47:36 <moneromooo> This is really the Leia/Vader scene repeated again and again and again. The tighter you... can't recall the quote. The more slip or somrthing.
18:48:09 <moneromooo> And in the meantime the people who are basically jst tryint to prorect thmeselves end up on th esame side as criminals. WTF ?
18:48:45 <moneromooo> Just because the shitheads in govt couldn't see far enough and abide by the tacit agreement to leave some privacy to the people.
18:49:54 <moneromooo> spirobel[m]: can you elaborate ? That suggests "when people get enough food again to be able to do anything else than survive", but I dunno :)
18:52:33 <moneromooo> Granted, I'm kinda talking about old revolutions, the tens of years thing, not the more modern short things, but I will agree my knowledge of these is superficial.
18:53:00 <spirobel[m]> <moneromooo "spirobel: can you elaborate ? Th"> i dont know where i read the quote...would have to google it to find it again. but basically people dont revolt when things are shitty and getting shittier.. they do it when they have a glimmer of hope.
18:53:10 <spirobel[m]> also there are many examples
18:53:39 <moneromooo> Sure, I can totally buy that, but it doesn't invalidate the original idea.
18:54:01 <spirobel[m]> true maybe both right somehow but it sounds kinda doomer lol
18:54:05 <moneromooo> Look at it with a large enogh time frame and it's really the same.
18:54:48 <moneromooo> Hungry enough and you just spend all your calories finding more calories. Things rebound a bit and that's where you think you just have to do something about it.
18:55:37 <spirobel[m]> nah i dont know... look at germany 89 for example...the people werent with the back to the wall the government was
18:55:45 <moneromooo> Though in recent times "hungry" doens't apply to a number of civil disturbances, part of the world got a lot better.
18:56:11 <spirobel[m]> i also think the times we live in are more similar to the chinese cultural revolution style changes
18:56:39 <moneromooo> Now that's fairly pessimistic.
18:56:40 <spirobel[m]> than the noble freedom fighters vs the gov kinda thing
18:57:13 <spirobel[m]> i mean look at the dumb FFF kids and the burn loot murder crowds lol
18:57:14 <moneromooo> But hey, we're lucky. We've safe enough that we fight for privacy rather than food.
18:57:29 <moneromooo> FFF ?
18:57:44 <spirobel[m]> they even had mao red book reference recently with the blm leader
18:57:59 <spirobel[m]> <moneromooo "FFF ?"> the great thunfish thing... more popular in europe lol
18:58:14 <moneromooo> That really didn't help at all :D I'll look it up.
18:58:28 <spirobel[m]> the climate doomers
18:58:29 <spirobel[m]> lol
18:58:39 <spirobel[m]> frydays
18:59:08 <spirobel[m]> the brainwashed kids
18:59:15 <spirobel[m]> you know what i am talking about lol
18:59:30 <moneromooo> school strikes ?
18:59:51 <spirobel[m]> but basically that is cultural revolution shit not the normal freedom fighter things
19:01:04 <semisimple> moneromoo: fridays for future, which is is pretty much a bona fide astroturfing movement for climate activism
19:01:20 <moneromooo> Yes, found that.
19:01:39 <moneromooo> Astroturfing from whom ?
19:01:41 <spirobel[m]> the similarities: some crazy adults are in power of the media and the education system (same with mao back then) they gave him the supposedly unimportant space of education and he managed to fuck up everything by brainwashing the kids into turning the country to shreds
19:02:25 <spirobel[m]> <semisimple "moneromoo: fridays for future, w"> its much more than that and it gets increasingly crazy leftist they talk about lockdown for climate and the jews (israel) lol
19:02:48 <spirobel[m]> and in merica you got the blm crowds
19:02:52 <nioc> sigh
19:02:58 <spirobel[m]> it will be fun to watch lol
19:03:14 <spirobel[m]> monero chads will survive
19:04:00 <semisimple> for whom? basically the whole climate change movement, i.e. green parties all across the globe, NGOs, it is little more than populism
19:04:39 <spirobel[m]> its changing very quickly and its infiltrated by radical leftists
19:04:50 <spirobel[m]> happend before with the pirate party in germany
19:05:01 <semisimple> all of these "activists" are sheltered individuals, who make 2-3 international travel trips per year to "find themselves", it is a charade
19:05:02 <spirobel[m]> these people are verywhere and they are serious about this shit
19:05:17 <spirobel[m]> also they hold positions in state and corporate media
19:05:44 <spirobel[m]> <semisimple "all of these "activists" are she"> naaaah many of these are also radical leftist that do this as a lifestyle
19:05:54 <spirobel[m]> mixed in with criminals
19:06:31 <spirobel[m]> this is cope by the boomers that didnt realize what train we are on
19:06:39 <spirobel[m]> its CULTURAL REVOLUTION TIME haha
19:06:41 <selsta> #monero-conspiracies
19:08:42 <spirobel[m]> <selsta "#monero-conspiracies"> yeah its fiery but mostly peaceful protests 😋
19:09:08 <semisimple> I would not give a shit about them, but more than likely they will also be the first to try to outlaw crypto, because "it is bad for the environment", needless to say they are useful idiots for the finanical elite, who want to keep the status quo in the finanical world
19:11:18 <spirobel[m]> <semisimple "I would not give a shit about th"> what do you mean by financial elite?
19:11:20 <spirobel[m]> soros?
19:12:21 <moneromooo> Looks like we reached kookville in ten minutes flat
19:15:50 <apotheon> 18:38 < gingeropolous> our institutions are deteriorating
19:15:55 <apotheon> Depending on what you mean, that might be a good thing.
19:16:11 <apotheon> (long run)
19:18:56 <gingeropolous> well theyve been doing it for a while
19:22:41 <apotheon> 18:43 < nioc> definitely need to live with other beings in addition to humans
19:22:43 <apotheon> e.g. aliens
19:23:34 <spirobel[m]> i think its mostly the lizardpeople lol
19:24:02 <spirobel[m]> they are everywhere but I like them <an undisclosed amount>
19:25:43 <nioc> apotheon: Cats, Dogs, Cows
19:25:52 <nioc> almost all mammals and birds
19:26:03 <nioc> they know what is important
19:26:11 <nioc> humans got lost
19:26:24 <apotheon> That's why I stopped being human.
19:26:29 <apotheon> I'm transhuman, now.
19:27:38 <spirobel[m]> <nioc "apotheon: Cats, Dogs, Cows"> thats the stuff the lizardpeople eat for breakfast lol
19:27:49 <nioc> 10 years ago when the census person came to my door the last question was, what race are you?  I replied, if you want to pigeon hole me put me down as mammal
19:27:59 <nioc> they stared blankly at me
19:28:15 <apotheon> octopodes and porpoises and space aliens; they need love, too
19:28:36 <nioc> porpoises are mammals
19:28:48 <apotheon> . . . and?
19:29:31 <nioc> haven't seen space aliens
19:29:37 <nioc> breaking news
19:29:42 <nioc> earth is in space
19:30:03 <apotheon> Sure, but we don't have to travel through space to get to Earth.
19:30:28 <nioc> only because earth travels through space
19:30:40 <apotheon> That doesn't actually address what I said.
19:30:46 <nioc> nice place we got here
19:31:00 <nioc> shame if something should happen to it
19:31:07 <apotheon> I'm still reserving judgement on whether it's a nice place.
19:32:04 <apotheon> "Earnest Hemingway once wrote 'The world is a find place and worth fighting for.'  I agree with the second part."
19:32:19 <apotheon> - William Somerset, in Se7en
19:47:27 <apotheon> hyc: Do you mind if I PM you about Monero stuff?