00:06:43 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/839291984330096690/1620171036287.png 00:21:29 I invest $500 in XMR week ago 00:26:28 nice 01:01:51 what are these "host blocked" messages in monerod 01:01:56 is the network under attack or something 01:01:59 or me 01:02:15 could be remnants of an attack, yeah 01:02:44 also we occasionally see connect attempts from ineptly forked codebases 01:03:24 i.e., someone tries to fork the code to start their own coin, and they don't quite change everything they need to, to have their own independent network 01:03:44 and it winds up connecting to a monero peer list, but sending invalid blocks/txns 01:03:48 I see yeah 01:05:13 there was a fairly intensive attack starting around last November but it seems to have mostly faded out by now, or been detected well enough that auto-bans make it irrelevant now 01:11:03 hm, I think I have an idea for dealing with those surveillance nodes 01:11:23 the problem is you have one surveillance node that connects to like 300 nodes, right? and you have a few dozen of those? 02:20:34 .faucet 02:20:36 Norkle: How many digits is 0 02:20:40 1 02:20:41 Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000003 XMR to Norkle [e4fb0a96] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01699776 02:22:20 .faucet 02:22:22 Lyza: How many characters in but 02:22:26 3 02:22:26 Lyza: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000071 XMR to Lyza [89a75baf] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01699066 05:12:15 . 06:48:43 - 06:59:13 ; 07:08:38 *cough* 07:15:28 yanmaani: sounds about right 07:20:02 .faucet 07:20:02 hmmp: How many letters in heard 07:20:05 5 07:20:06 hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to hmmp [86c28487] Wait ≈1 day 11 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01698424 07:22:35 do you guys think tradeogre is a honeypot? 07:23:26 it's had so much volume, authorities would have definitely looked at it....it's a clearnet site, registered to somebody 07:23:28 d 07:26:16 All I know is that capture cards for a simple console like the Nintendo DS are so hard to find that it feels like you're in an underground black market and half the places that sell them don't have HTTPS on their websites. Only reliable source I have found is someone named Loopy from 3dscapture. Extremely off topic, I know. 09:34:15 hm. Monero GUI can't take parameters like a daemon host and wallet file? 09:36:36 when recreating a wallet, I know it scans subaddresses - but does it scan accounts? 10:01:09 They're the same thing, technically. 10:02:42 sure - but the wallet scans the first 200 subaddresses by default? 10:03:06 that doesn't tell me if it will scan the 10 first subaddresses on account 1 or account 5 :P 10:06:21 Both. 10:06:57 I believe the setup is: 50 accounts from the last known, and 200 addresses from the lsat known address in each of these accounts. 10:07:16 50/200 might be swapped. 10:07:52 huh. I always interpreted that as "scan 200 subaddresses, and if you find any transactions, scan at least +50 from the last subaddress with transactions 10:17:32 ah. Major:Minor = account:subaddress 11:17:39 hello 11:19:02 hi 11:24:30 What kind of person steals from own community? shorturl.at/jmDM4 Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'. 11:48:38 What kind of person steals from own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?) Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship' 12:17:43 hi, any recommended file system for node data on external hdd? 12:19:23 hiddener, depends on you 12:19:27 and your needs 13:15:10 does network latency matter with mining? 13:16:25 Yes, to some extent. 13:16:41 You want the network to know about the block you found before someone else finds another. 13:17:43 Isn't that unlikely based on the probability and the mining difficulty ? 13:18:06 What is unlikely ? 13:19:07 Unlikely for someone to take the opertunity to mine the block before you broadcast it 13:19:42 Well, it depends on your latency :) 13:20:05 If you take an hour to broadcast it, ~100% chance someone else beats you to it. 13:20:15 If your block is instantly known to the network, 0%. 13:20:39 Whats a 50% from your perspective 13:20:49 Also i thinking I'm about to lose electricity 13:20:49 If you take a second, since there's a block every 120 seconds on average, you got... 0.8% chance to get upstaged maybe. 13:44:26 All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time. 13:44:26 Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money? 16:05:03 oh no my social security number is going to be suspended! 16:05:09 thank you phone robot! 16:08:03 Somebody shut me up for moneromoo to come back. Who was it? 16:08:33 does network latency"> Make sure to increase out_peers to 500 to increase propagation of ur block 16:20:48 gingeropolous: What? 16:21:14 i picked up a spam call for some reason apotheon 16:25:12 I see. 16:25:42 I get several voicemails a week from a phone robot telling me that my vehicle warranty is going to expire. 16:38:12 Hi my monerod stopped syncing at height 2353406 (yesterday). Any hints? 16:39:28 did you try restarting it? or is it still just sitting stuck? 16:39:37 also, fort1 , which version are u using 16:46:14 gingeropolous, 0.17.1.9-release 16:47:18 fort1: try updating to v0.17.2.0 and also delete ~/.bitmonero/p2pstate.bin 16:47:32 gingeropolous, yes I restarted it. It was working for months without problems 16:47:36 .usd 16:48:11 gingeropolous, I will, thanks! 16:48:38 yeah what selsta said. 16:48:45 :) 16:48:46 if it is still stuck you can try to enter `pop_blocks 1000` inside monerod 16:48:58 if all of this does not help you will have to resync most likely 16:49:15 oh shit u can pop blocks from the console now? 16:50:31 yep, though I think you could always do that? 16:50:42 I confirm 16:50:51 i remember having to use the block import tool 16:50:54 it was always possible 16:51:04 well i guess im an idiot 16:51:22 wrong guess! 16:57:06 .usd 17:05:38 ... 17:07:53 .xmr 17:07:53 apotheon: ≈$409.7205 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 17:08:16 I think the answer to .usd is always 1. 17:08:46 .xmr 17:08:46 yugyug_: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 17:08:47 yugyug_: ≈$409.6554 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 17:09:01 thanks ;-) 17:10:12 .xmr 17:10:12 yugyug: ≈$409.8369 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 17:10:38 . . . but maybe the answer to .usd should be "≈0.0024406882252657604XMR • value of: 1 USD" instead. 17:11:48 yugyug: Don't you agree? 17:12:19 yup, agree. 17:12:26 Inge-: say you'd keep track of your neighbor nodes, and they'd keep track of their neighbor nodes 17:12:33 I messing around using IRC vs Matrix - maybe I wasn't logged in properly 17:12:46 then, you could ask your neighbor nodes if they also have node X, for all your other neighbor nodes 17:13:42 if X is too strongly connected, then you can drop it 17:14:20 probably, you'd need robust IP <-> pubkey authentication though. One (ugly) way to do this would be through Tor: when connecting to/from someone, also connect over tor to make sure their pubkey is consistent 17:15:59 Hey, I just read that https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/issues/3454 what closed selesta - where the ** should 'advanced' options be? 17:16:26 tasse: are you using simple mode? 17:16:26 this is just nowhere to find in my gui (i am at 0.17.2.1-1) 17:16:30 yes 17:16:33 is that the problem? :P 17:16:37 ok switch to advanced mode 17:16:49 close the wallet by clicking on the symbol in top left corner 17:16:58 then click on "Change wallet mode" button 17:17:24 urhg :D alright, I will check it out! thanks 17:17:57 there it is :X ok this is good to know. do you know if its poorly documented or if I am just too stupid to find the right place? 17:18:04 I could consider writing this somewhere for sb else.. 17:19:34 ok well, if one is aware that this is in the advanced mode then its actually pretty good documented - couldve gotten that idea myself :) well thanks a lot nevertheless for your help selsta ! 17:42:59 tasse: fwiw it is explained here https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/blob/v1.9/monero-GUI-guide.md#send-monero 17:43:02 which is bundled with the GUI 17:43:12 documentation is difficult :D 17:44:32 hehe :P 17:44:43 yeh I just tried it but on the air gapped I get some exception 17:44:57 "Failed to determine whether address '' is local, assuming not" 17:45:13 "Error: Unknown method parameter type: size_t" 17:45:42 Transfer.qml 954 17:47:12 hmm 17:47:16 maybe I am missing something 17:47:18 this is a bit unclear 17:47:22 what are the outputs? 17:47:38 is this something different then clicking the "create" the to transaction signing? 17:47:53 can you post the exact error mesage? 17:47:55 message 17:48:05 If i have a look at the exported (binary) file it looks ok: "Monero unsigned tx set ..." 17:48:08 well that is the exact message 17:48:11 need to type it, sec 17:48:32 $TIMESTAMP: W qrc:/pages/Transfer.qml:954: Error: Unknown method parameter type: size_t 17:48:54 checking the line yields a for loop 17:49:01 ok ty 17:49:04 therefore i would say something with the 'transaction object' is wrong 17:49:18 aka currentWallet.loadTxFile(path) somehow yielded something wrong 17:49:45 but maybe I am doing something wrong: in step 1 it says something about "exporting the outputs into a file" 17:49:47 src/libwalletqt/UnsignedTransaction.cpp 17:50:01 while in step 3 it says ".. create a transaction file" 17:50:45 so I would understand this to be 2 exports from the view wallet 17:50:54 but I dont understand what the first one is supposed to be 17:52:16 hmm I think the problem is 17:52:36 importing / exporting outputs is currently not supported before https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pull/3435 is merged 18:09:05 ah okay, cool :) i will follow this. thank you. 18:37:23 If I generate a wallet offline without ever connecting to a node, can I start receiving monero on the address or does it need to somehow broadcast the address? I'm not familiar with how monero works sorry 18:37:48 You can receive on that address as long as someone has it. 18:38:08 This is not done on chain. You give the sender your address by whatever means. 18:39:50 I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, I meant: I open up monero-wallet-cli on a computer without internet access and create a wallet, I then start sending to the address it gave me without having that wallet ever touch the internet 18:40:23 (i send that from somewhere else of course 18:40:41 yes, u can receive fund in offline wallet, but to verify transaction u need internet 18:41:49 moneromooo: tczee36: ty 18:45:39 latiers: You can use this guide to verify that it arrived properly -> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6137/how-do-i-as-a-recipient-verify-that-my-transaction-actually-arrived 18:57:27 latiers: all transactions are stored on the blockchain forever! your wallet will find transactions too it when you connect it to the internet 19:15:06 I was asking about initially creating an address. If I understand correctly it would be possible to send monero to a made up address with no private key (or at least that no one would be able to calculate) 19:15:18 botcoinnotbot[m] ^^ 19:15:28 Yes. 20:19:33 What is the best Ledger device you can get for Monero? 20:19:49 Price-wise and security-wise. 20:22:33 Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others? 20:22:55 jj1013[m]: There is Ledger and Trezor 20:23:03 both are ok, IMO Trezor has a bit nicer integration 20:24:26 I said "Ledger" because recently tobtoht implemented Ledger support... and I find myself both impatient and short on cash. My computer also likes to make the Monero GUI Wallet hang up. A lot. 20:25:06 Ledger Nano S then 20:25:10 I've heard somewhere Ledger just stores the private keys, unlike Trezor who takes it a step further and adds some code to actually integrate Monero. 20:25:19 Thanks! 20:26:35 .usd 20:27:10 .faucet 20:27:12 azy: How many chars in straw 20:27:15 5 20:27:15 azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000058 XMR to azy [ec4bd8b3] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01697791 20:27:22 .balance 20:27:23 azy: • Your balance is: 0.0002257 XMR (≈0.09 USD) 20:40:26 .faucet 20:40:28 Mochi101: How many chars in train 20:40:33 5 20:40:33 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000044 XMR to Mochi101 [607b77c3] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01697351 20:40:51 .balance 20:40:52 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000122 XMR (≈0 USD) 20:41:23 .faucet 20:41:23 yugyug: How many chars in right 20:41:33 yugyug: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..) 20:42:11 .faucet 20:53:37 i think generally trezor is seen as the best option although it's more expensive 20:54:15 if i'm not mistaken the schematics on the trezor are public 21:17:08 charuto: no need for a dedicated hardware wallet (that gives your all of your info when they get hacked) when you can generate a wallet on a computer that never touches the internet 21:26:17 I personally own both a Trezor and Ledger. I generated all of the wallets I planned to use, marked down all of the information I needed and they aren't ever taken out unless I have to send a transaction. 21:26:36 What can I do offline TX signing with? 21:27:00 With Trezor you can run your own node for their wallet as well if you want to. Not sure about Ledger in that aspect. 21:29:22 jj1013.: Generally speaking your trezor and ledger wallets should never get hacked if you use them properly. Even if they were hacked, nobody can transfer coins out without the wallet being connected to the wallet and manually verifying every transaction. If you live alone or only with those you trust, I'd say it's probably one of the better ways to store your coins if you plan or mainly receiving and not sending. If you 21:29:22 plan on sending just know that you have to manually verify every transaction one by one. 21:29:32 * jj1013.: Generally speaking your trezor and ledger wallets should never get hacked if you use them properly. Even if they were hacked, nobody can transfer coins out without the hardware wallet being connected to the software wallet and manually verifying every transaction. If you live alone or only with those you trust, I'd say it's probably one of the better ways to store your coins if you plan or mainly receiving and 21:29:32 not sending. If you plan on sending just know that you have to manually verify every transaction one by one. 21:29:34 what's the point of locking up your hw wallet if you can just store the seed in the same location? 21:31:45 Most people that use hardware wallets use it for one of two purposes: 21:31:45 1.) Storing coins in "cold storage" with no intention on touching them for quite a while 21:31:45 2.) People that want to make sure that even those that have your seed phrase can't move your coins without the physical wallet which is an extremely unlikely scenario. Especially useful if someone is trying to brute force wallet seed phrases, happens to guess yours and takes all of your coins without warning. 21:34:11 hopefully Sarang can work out multisig post triptych so it is easier to set up M of N cold wallets in future 21:34:24 i do get #2 but for #1 i'd rather make a paper/stainless steel wallet. noone knows how long such a hw dongle lasts. flash chips only store for ~10 years 21:35:15 funny fact: german police "confiscated coins" on a hw wallet a few years ago and couldn't crack it. recently they've noticed that someone emptied that wallet while the guy is still locked up 21:35:51 charolastra: based and starve the state pilled 21:37:00 There's ways to migrate between HW wallets, although it varies by company and model. I think Trezor and Ledger require the other wallet to verify it being moved but there might be one somewhere that allows you to move it remotely. 21:37:39 do Trezor or Ledger accept crypto? 21:37:53 privacy coins specifically&* 21:38:09 I know Trezor and Ledger do, I just don't remember which ones. I think Trezor was USDC or something. 21:38:39 kijari: USDC smart contract allows them to blacklist and wallet... wont ever touch 21:38:50 I had to find a company in my country from their verified vendors list and request that I pay by cash by mail. Two orders later I had my device. 21:39:12 you could have $100M in USDC and they could blacklist you, you wouldnt event be able to move your USDC 21:39:33 btw, do those seed phrases for the hw wallet work in software wallets or do you always need the specific hardware type/version? 21:39:37 Devices* I had to order a trezor and ledger in two separate orders due to country laws. If you spend more than $400 in my currency on hardware wallets they require ID so by breaking it up they let me buy both without ID. 21:40:49 That information is generally provided on their websites. You probably can but it's always good to double check with the makers of the device. 21:41:47 store your monero across many wallets, tx fees are so cheap you could store like $100 per cold wallet 21:42:39 Is there any program to broadcast and look at the money a wallet has on an airgapped operating system? 21:42:40 1000000/100 21:42:45 Hardware wallets let you create multiple addresses or coin wallets so I just have a bunch made for everything. 21:44:19 jj1013.: generate a view only wallet (you cant see outgoing transfers), but it is good peace of mind if you are paranoid about losing funds from cold wallets 21:46:07 What about broadcasting TXs from an airgapped OS by using, say, QR Codes? 21:46:59 jj1013.: you can broadcast pre-made offline txs via xmrchain if you want to but I dont think it is really used due to Dandelion++ 21:47:21 I apologize, I'm terrible with terms. Airgapped simply means a computer or device without internet connection, correct? 21:47:40 Yup. 21:49:32 All of my devices are ethernet only with no WiFi capabilities so mine can be airgapped as I please. 21:51:49 kijari: if it has ever touched the internet it cannot be considered an air gapped device - al least if you have to worry about the NSA 21:52:35 *at 21:53:30 That's why I didn't specify "device". 21:53:58 Also, I don't think such a thing as a HDD NAND virus exists. 21:54:10 Or a BIOS-talk-to-Internet virus. 21:54:18 Unless we are talking about Android-powered devices, that is. 21:54:53 Where I live I am thankfully out of the 14 eyes but still within the European Union which is extremely unfortunate. One day I can avoid both I hope. 21:55:17 You are never away from the 32 Eyes (32, I am including the SCO). 21:55:39 jj1013.: there are 32 now? lol 21:56:01 The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. 21:58:05 Where I plan to move to, I am completely away from all of that and the government preaches true Freedom of Speech. 21:58:07 jj1013.: just looked this up... looks like a confederation of asian authoritarian governments 22:01:14 I see a MyMonero app on the Play Store. 22:01:20 Fluffypony, is the app ready yet? 22:01:26 kijari: What Nation? Personally I plan to move to an Island (if monero reaches 1500$ per coin I am free for life) where there economic and political freedom for all citizens 22:02:13 Honestly I can't imagine life without a government. Somali should be a nightmare, people gunning through each other. 22:02:29 If I remember correctly, I have read that Somali has no government. 22:02:35 They ended up living like so. 22:03:03 I refuse to fund pay any more taxes to a government that kills kids in the middle east without resistance from the general population 22:03:13 I'll just say that it's outside of North America, Europe, and Asia. 22:03:45 jj1013.: I dont believe in no goverment, I just dont believe in one that has nuclear weapons, or endless wars in the middle east 22:03:49 As a South American, I declare you do not know what you are getting into. 22:04:34 I considered it briefly but no, not South America. I decided that it would be a terrible idea for me personally. 22:04:55 I have to put up with a government that destroys their own national currency with inflation and kills journalists that even dare to shittalk about the president in its own territory. 22:05:50 kijari: Have you considered Caribbean islands? I am considering moving to Saint Kitts and Nevis 22:05:58 And still, they force us to pay expensive taxes. You may or may not know this "president" as Nicolás Maduro, the dictator of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela. 22:06:21 We haven't got no vaccine yet. 22:06:40 Yeah, I have a government that attempts to censor a lot of online content so most of us end up using encrypted services for avoiding that censorship. 22:06:50 Roger Ver is no longer an American citizen, I am considering following his path soon 22:07:02 he lives in Saint Kitts and Nevis 22:07:08 but the international community declared guido as president. now i'm confused :p 22:07:24 Very little censorship on here. The websites being blocked depend on the ISP. For example, Movistar blocks Reddit. 22:08:10 Guaido kind of dissapeared right now after the elections, in which almost nobody went to put in their vote, because the entire country knows Maduro is going to win anyway. He was **PISSED**. 22:08:13 It's not as bad as North Korea or China but my god do they think that cryptocurrencies and other new forms of technology are bad along with everyone associated with them. 22:08:14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbC6dLG_dQY 22:08:14 jj1013.: Are you from Venezuela? How is crypto adoption for normal people> 22:08:59 that's what i'm wondering, too 22:09:06 For which reason I don't think Juan Guaido will do jackshit. Donald Trump did much more. 22:09:54 i'm joking. it's obvious that that guaido guy is an american puppet 22:09:57 I think my current plans are to move to a good country, setup my own internet service provider because I hate that internet service providers log everything you do and frankly that should be illegal, and various other ventures. 22:12:12 Null. 22:13:26 I have seen only ONE person, literal, IRL, not on social media, that has been interested in crypto. 22:14:08 JJ, it's the same here. My parents say that cryptocurrency is completely worthless because it's solely based on supply and demand. Funnily enough they fail to understand that every product we buy has a price based upon supply and demand. Meanwhile I see it as the complete future of finance. 22:15:54 Venezuelans are stupid. Instead of using cryptocurrencies with fast TX speeds and small fees, they just go around buying COP and USD in paper money and grumble about banks going offline, waiting for them to come back on to use them "correctly". 22:16:31 Not sure if it is the same thing as seeing it as the future of finance, but in my opinion, cryptocurrency should be a replacement for fiat over here. 22:17:33 the hardware wallet never touches the internet either 22:18:16 both, i believe 22:19:16 No, I mean. Signing TXs on an offline Linux LiveUSB without a HW wallet. 22:19:30 It's while I get the money to buy one. 22:20:18 not sure on that one 22:20:28 you can always use an airgapped computer 22:20:43 but yeah, that can be a bit pricy 22:20:56 Most people are stupid. It amazes me that cryptocurrency was unregulated and was a safe haven. Then the governments caught on and started regulating everything while everyone shrugged their shoulders and went "Okay. I'm fine with paying taxes on my cryptocurrency". Even cryptocurrency miners will be happy to pay taxes and convert it to fiat. Meanwhile I'm over here mining on my desktop whenever it's not in use to make a bit 22:20:56 of money but I refuse to ever report that on my taxes. Besides, they can't track Monero. The scary thing is that governments will eventually start taxing monero or banning it outright in a few years, and some governments already have said it's illegal to own. 22:20:56 To answer your question, being used as fiat and for finances is the same thing. I hope one day we can see something online for x amount of Monero instead of $3 and then converted to the equivalent in Monero. Basically, I want cryptocurrency to step in and be seen as a fiat equivalent so we pay in set amount of the cryptocurrency instead of paying with extreme volatility. 22:24:36 * jj1013[m] < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xyaNhxDgMfTdTCIELXYClbeo/message.txt > 22:25:40 * jj1013[m] < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WogMmuMcBsCgmQJqbOtKIZqE/message.txt > 22:27:24 Bitcoin, Ethereum and other cryptocurrencies in the United States and other countries are deemed as an asset and can therefor be taxed. They are deemed as a security as well because they are "financial investments" which is what they are classified as when being taxed. 22:27:48 That happens to be the case for the United States, Canada, lots of European countries and so on. It's insane. 22:28:06 This'd better not be happening in Spain. 22:28:42 I am dumping all of my NANO, who's buying? 22:29:26 It's scary for privacy coins as well. Some of the most technologically advanced countries such as North Korea have already said they are completely illegal and simply owning some can result in jail time. 22:30:20 It's Kim Jong-Un we're talking about. What are you expecting? 22:30:24 Oops, I said North instead of South. I meant South Korea. 22:30:34 I'm dumn. 22:31:16 * I'm dumb. 22:32:35 Sorry, I've been struggling to sleep right lately so my brain randomly dies and makes those dumb mistakes. 22:33:20 * Sorry, I've been struggling to sleep lately so my brain randomly dies and makes those dumb mistakes. 22:38:33 In the grand scheme of things, that's a very minor mistake. 22:40:05 so how do you own cryptocoins? is remembering a sequence of 24 words now illegal? 22:41:25 I avoid all the tax regulations and bans by mining them myself. It's a pretty standard computer and there are lots of people I know that leave their computers on 24/7. Now I'm just simply doing the same and blending in. It looks like a normal PC as well so even people that see it don't suspect anything. 22:42:06 Not a big miner either. Just one CPU and one graphics card. Might upgrade that to two graphics cards one day but for now it's one. 22:42:17 do you actually make worthwile gains? is it a modern/recent PC? 22:43:40 3950x because I do a lot of CPU intensive tasks and a 1060 6GB because I wasn't able to get anything worthwhile to upgrade to and frankly I don't use my GPU for much. Maybe around $4 USD per day? Something like that. 22:44:29 Don't you write it down? 22:44:30 Like, on a papersheet? 22:44:58 of course. but how can anyone proof that? 22:45:25 I throw it in my password manager which can only be unlocked with a USB key that only I have. Even if they see the password manager they'll just go "Oh, a password manager. Cool." and leave it there. 22:45:34 YubiKeys are amazing. 22:46:13 lets hope you have multiple yubikeys with the same secret on it 22:48:04 I do have backups but only I know where they are. One of them is simply located in my safe so if a fire or something happens I still have one. You know, preparing for the worst. Hoping to get a cryptotag in the future as well because I seriously want my backup codes in titanium so if I ever somehow lose my password files on all of my devices then I still have the codes elsewhere to recover from. 22:49:02 kijari[m], 4$ a day monero or what? if monero then what is your hashrate? 22:50:23 $4 per day between Ethereum and Monero. It's roughly $2 per day in Ethereum and $2 per day in Monero. Ethereum is 22 megahashes per second and Monero is 20.7 kilohashes per second although it sometimes hits 21.7 kilohashes per second. 22:51:25 I had to spend a lot of time on overclocking my RAM to get those speeds. Otherwise my CPU was at 16 kilohashes per second. 22:52:48 Should mention that I have some really good cooling for my CPU as well which means it can run at 4.2 GHz 24/7 without thermal throttling. 22:53:06 http://cryptomining24.net/cpu-for-monero/ 22:53:16 are these hashrate in kilos ^^ 22:53:31 I personally use xmrig.com/benchmarks 22:53:46 xmrig.com/benchmark * 22:53:53 Guys, is the Cake Wallet I find as top result on the Play Store the actual Cake Wallet? 22:54:23 Not enough info to know. 22:54:26 I don't know how to open it from the website, when it redirects me to the Play Store it just stays on a black loading screen. 22:54:38 It should be. I think they have a direct download for the APK but I can't remember. 22:54:56 "Cake Technologies LLC", the developer. 22:55:05 https://github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/releases 22:55:07 Grab the APK here 22:55:48 Remind you this is a stock ROM smartphone 22:56:03 So it has GSM 22:58:06 kijari[m], how many cpu cores are you using? 22:58:22 All 16 because I have the cooling to handle it. 22:59:04 will i get the hashrates from https://xmrig.com/benchmark per one cpu core? 22:59:55 The benchmarks for every CPU should how many cores and threads are used and what operating system. Just keep in mind that a lot of those benchmarks are highly optimized systems so you'll probably get a bit lower than them. 23:01:40 kijari[m], for example, when i do `cat /proc/cpu/` i see four cores of ```Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2640 v4 @ 2.40GHz```... on the website it says this gets me 9267.67 hashes, so i get 9267.67 or 4 x 9267.67? 23:01:56 `cat /proc/cpu`* 23:03:03 I think the values are per cpu not per core, so 9267.67 23:03:09 It would be the hashrate shown on the website. Chances are you'll be somewhere between 100-600 hashes below what it shows. Just depends on what hardware you are running. 23:06:49 it's only one sample though 23:06:55 i wonder how accurate it is 23:07:37 it /proc/cpuinfo it just says "model name" 23:08:02 And it heavily depends on what OS you are running If you use windows, then your hashrate will obv be bit lower than when using a real operating system 23:09:13 interesting, when I clicked on it on the website it shows that it uses 2 cores, however i have four 23:09:32 maybe the cpu ships in both dual and quad? 23:09:50 You can change that in the configuration file. Some CPUs get better performance with less cores for some reason. 23:10:13 wait what 23:10:21 better with 2 cores than 4? 23:10:30 how would that ever work? 23:10:52 thermal throtteling maby 23:10:57 With my laptop I can only use half the cores available. If I try to use all cores then I get a really low hashrate, likely due to thermal throttling or something I don't know about. 23:11:07 maybe so shitty that it needs 2 entire cores for sending info to the pool LOL 23:11:18 so with all 4 for mining it doesnt send 23:11:22 so 0 hashrate 23:11:24 lol 23:11:31 sorry i forced the joke 23:11:59 That's not how mining works. Sending info the the pool is purely internet bandwidth and not much else. 23:12:31 yeah, that's the joke, the ssl and internet socket opening process taking 2 entire cores 23:13:22 If you use Windows then probably. Windows is complete shit compared to GNU/Linux. 23:13:59 i don't 23:14:09 i told you i did `cat /proc/cpu` 23:14:22 but yea the sample says it's windows 23:14:47 I just like making fun of Microsoft every time I have a chance. Never using that shit again. 23:21:05 kijari: I dont think its right to assume the average person is too stupid, most people just lack education 23:22:46 kijari: i know this is not the monero mining channel but try moneroocean.stream, i get 20KH/s on a 3090 even if I think they are a bit shady 23:22:47 Never said they were too stupid. Just said that Microsoft and Windows are complete shit and should be avoided. 23:24:54 https://www.poolwatch.io/ and https://wheretomine.io/pools can be used for each person to choose which pool they would like to support. I know there are others but I can't remember the websites. 23:31:01 agree about MS 23:31:12 there is a mining channel? 23:33:16 i guess it's #monero-pools? 23:33:18 #xmrmine:matrix.org 23:33:28