00:01:34 <usernetinternet[> Actually are there any iranians in this chat? If there are i will send you $1 worth of of monero right now
00:24:16 <CCosta[m]> looking for movie recommendations - what should I watch?
00:25:37 <bobbieweirder[m]> utxobr: margin call
00:25:43 <usernetinternet[> utxobr: dazed and confused
00:28:20 <bobbieweirder[m]> utxobr: margin call and then dazed and confused because the former is too depressing so you’ll need the palate cleanser afterwards
00:29:13 <CCosta[m]> haha that's so true
00:29:13 <CCosta[m]> margin call is good indeed; dazed and confused .. can't go to the shop to get something (ontario is closing everything pretty early now w/ this stay at home order)
00:29:25 <usernetinternet[> Watch lilya 4 ever if you want a depressing film lol
00:30:57 <CCosta[m]> <usernetinternet[ "Watch lilya 4 ever if you want a"> holy s, looks messed up
00:32:14 <usernetinternet[> Lilya 4 ever is a good film if youre looking for a disturbing film without entering serbain film territory
00:32:24 <usernetinternet[> * Lilya 4 ever is a good film if youre looking for a disturbing film without entering serbain film teritory
01:06:54 <r0ckl0bster> Looking to trade, new here.
01:32:03 <jj1013[m]> <r0ckl0bster "Looking to trade, new here."> You probably have fiat.
01:32:52 <jj1013[m]> http://kycnot.me/ lists some exchanges.
01:33:11 <louipc> oh nice url hehe
01:37:48 <z|bandito> bisq needs an exe? that's not exactly what I meant heh
01:39:17 <z|bandito> yeah that's a good link
01:39:24 <z|bandito> wtf happened to shapeshift, jeez
01:40:25 <z|bandito> would be nice if that chart had fees listed
01:59:29 <yanmaani> > In addition to mixing services, U.S.-based hate groups and extremists have also started using other obfuscation techniques previously tested by foreign terror organizations. 35 An example of this is the neo-Nazi National Justice Party’s acceptance of money through dynamically generated Bitcoin addresses rather than static addresses. Relatedly, the Daily Stormer has recently decided that concerns about
01:59:32 <yanmaani> anonymity justified switching to “privacy coin” Monero rather than staying with Bitcoin 36 , even though the latter is more familiar to its users. 37
01:59:34 <yanmaani> bullish?
02:01:10 <h2017> why not?
02:01:25 <h2017> people who need privacy opting for privacy. what's the suprise?
02:01:38 <usernetinternet[> yanmaani: ultra bullish fuck these na'is but their use if proof of moneros effectiveness
02:01:45 <h2017> and crack dealers use cash
03:16:15 <inode33> <h2017 "and crack dealers use cash"> Quick, ban US dollars!
03:32:52 <Guest_49> can someone help me to verify the gpg signature of hashes.txt?
03:33:22 <Guest_49> gpg --verify binaryfate.asc hashes.txt gives me
03:33:22 <Guest_49> gpg: verify signatures failed: unexpected error
03:33:29 <Guest_49> never really used GPG before
03:34:42 <philkode> i think maybe you need to import the .asc keyfile first then just do gpg --verify hashes.txt
03:34:44 <philkode> https://mirrors.tripadvisor.com/centos-vault/4.0/docs/html/rhel-sbs-en-4/s1-gnupg-import.html
03:35:50 <Guest_49> hmm, so I did gpg --import binaryfate.asc
03:36:00 <Guest_49> after running gpg --verify hashes.txt, it says Good signature
03:36:16 <Guest_49> however it also warns me that the signature is not trusted and that there is no indication the signature belongs to the onwer
03:36:23 <Guest_49> I'm guessing this is normal, right?
03:36:51 <philkode> https://serverfault.com/questions/569911/how-to-verify-an-imported-gpg-key
03:37:01 <philkode> yeah you need to manually mark an imported key as trusted
03:37:10 <philkode> if it says good signature then i think you're golden
03:37:24 <philkode> you can either choose to verify the key or just accept the not trusted warning
03:38:09 <Guest_49> Based, thank you very much! got that sorted out
03:39:12 <philkode> :)
03:40:10 <Guest_49> also omg $360 USD already! i just checked it a minute ago and it was $350. glad to see
03:42:31 <philkode> ha give it 10 mins
03:42:41 <philkode> also fyi #monero-markets is best place for price talk
04:27:08 <bobbieweirder[m]> i was going to do my moneroversary buy on sunday but i couldn’t wait so i did that when it dipped tonight
04:32:20 <ByteDance> Dear Monero Community,
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04:32:22 <ByteDance> It is completely based on the browser's local API, without any network request, and is especially suitable for various sensitive documents (such as ID card / driver's license / passport).
04:32:22 <ByteDance> If it helps you, please consider buying me a coffee via XMR: 84983S3ZvMcFPwXU1iH23qPKZQCjXVmazUYAv62QGc4SeKgR3abY9LEFjQfFxNvNTvMXEcuKEVkGt8HMHbPVsqLd9NFNu2S
04:39:26 <persimmon> what is a good way to buy monero for BCH without having to go through BTC?
05:05:24 <CameronRuggles[m> <persimmon "what is a good way to buy monero"> Cake wallet does BCH to XMR
05:08:11 <nioc> cake wallet uses changenow so you can also do it directly or with similar services
05:23:03 <justcheckingout[> Hello
05:23:40 <justcheckingout[> Anyone here?
05:44:50 <bobbieweirder[m]> 👋🏽
06:16:59 <Sophia85> I am new here and want some changes to try a transaction, can anyone give me some?
06:36:10 <persimmon> nioc, thanks but it looks like I still have to go through BTC to fund my cakewallet
06:38:17 <nioc> I don't use the swap services but you should be able to use your bch directly with them
06:38:56 <nioc> Not thru cake
06:42:48 <persimmon> I see I think I didn't understand what changenow meant; I will look into it thank you!
06:59:53 <awhelpqjrcg> 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'
06:59:53 <awhelpqjrcg> Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png
07:49:37 <Sophia85> I am new here and want to get a small amount of XMR to play with
07:57:14 <Sophia85> .faucet
07:57:14 <Wallet> Sophia85: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
07:57:16 <Wallet> So​phia85: Triangle is how ​many sides?
07:57:25 <Sophia85> 3
07:57:26 <Wallet> Sophia85: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000009 XMR to Sophia85 [8ed1fbf3] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01646244
08:01:45 <Mochi101> Sophia85, I'm not new here and want to get a large amount of XMR to be serious with.
08:02:15 <Mochi101> .faucet
08:02:17 <Wallet> Mo​chi101: What is th​e sqrt of 0
08:02:21 <Mochi101> 0
08:02:22 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000022 XMR to Mochi101 [4d571861] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01646024
08:02:57 <Mochi101> Luckily I had my calculator app open on my phone.
08:04:02 <azy> .faucet
08:04:02 <Mochi101> .tip Sophia85 all
08:04:02 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.000004 XMR to azy [5308befc] Wait ≈1 day 35 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645624
08:04:03 <Wallet> Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..
08:04:08 <Mochi101> .balance
08:04:08 <Wallet> Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000036 XMR (≈0 USD)
08:04:11 <azy> .balance
08:04:12 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001848 XMR (≈0.07 USD)
08:04:22 <Mochi101> Time to retire azy!
08:11:14 <Sophia85> .tip
08:11:14 <Wallet> Sophia85: Tip to who? (10s)
08:11:25 <Sophia85> .faucet
08:11:25 <Wallet> Sophia85: Ooops!
08:11:26 <Wallet> Sophia85: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 24 hours to go.
08:17:19 <cer> .usd
08:17:26 <cer> .btc
08:17:27 <Wallet> cer: You must have bot account & be logged in
08:31:57 <persimmon> nioc, the cakewallet changenow thingy worked perfectly to exchange BCH for XMR directly. Thanks!
08:58:41 <Sophia85> Dear community, I know most of you are kind, and I am new to the Monero world, so can anyone send me a tip?
08:59:14 <Sophia85> My wallet address is 85npSC9kgYeXs5935KmtFzRMRC5DAF3AJHChsFcRea2hCgvq8Wp4qMcUyvFu4N7rCkL8qQ2HuAqjrNKqowPCLNHkPncpgs2
09:09:09 <Ryan[m]2> <Sophia85 "Dear community, I know most of y"> https://youtu.be/afkN9H9aLow
09:20:27 <Mochi101> /join #monero-begging
09:24:18 <azy> aw
09:24:35 <azy> should have pointed her (him) to the faucet
09:25:04 <azy> sOpHiA. hopin for some simphias
09:31:30 <hmmp> .faucet
09:31:33 <Wallet> h​mmp: How ma​ny toes do humans normally have if they lost half
09:31:38 <hmmp> 5
09:31:39 <Wallet> hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to hmmp [90d2ecca] Wait ≈1 day 17 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645294
09:50:31 <CryptoBeggar> anyone here
09:51:00 <CryptoBeggar> my name indicates my purpose
09:52:51 <CryptoBeggar> .faucet
09:52:51 <Wallet> CryptoBeggar: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
09:53:00 <CryptoBeggar> wtf
10:18:30 <Inge-> is Vorhees redeeming himself? https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/1383132044511768576?s=19
10:18:49 <Inge-> .faucet
10:18:50 <Wallet> I​nge-: How many planets in Earth sol​ar system after Pluto was banned
10:18:55 <Inge-> 8
10:18:56 <Wallet> Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000007 XMR to Inge- [d476f2f0] Wait ≈1 day 25 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01645224
10:19:37 <Inge-> .c 0.0000007*61600
10:19:37 <Wallet> Inge-: 0.0000007*61600 - invalid amount (not a number)
10:32:21 <CryptoBeggar> I have only ~1 dollar worth of xmr left in my wallet
10:36:27 <Mochi101> CryptoBeggar, https://imgur.com/a/ltEa4xG
10:36:41 <Mochi101> have fun staying poor
10:39:18 <azy> .tip CryptoBeggar all
10:39:19 <Wallet> azy: User 'CryptoBeggar' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
10:40:11 <Mochi101> CryptoBeggar, I also have another wallet https://imgur.com/a/MAz6wX7
10:40:11 <endor00[m]> Probably not logged in
10:40:33 <Mochi101> just stop being poor
10:40:44 <endor00[m]> CryptoBeggar send it to me, so you won't have to worry about crypto taxes anymore
10:42:28 <M4268583364[m]> Uhm can I join?
10:42:46 <M4268583364[m]> Amounts of monero are appreciated
10:42:58 <M4268583364[m]> .register
10:42:58 <Wallet> M4268583364[m]: /msg NickServ help - https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..
10:43:40 <M4268583364[m]> Oh god
10:50:13 <Mochi101> .tell rbrunner I synced my stagenet node. Tell em where I can donate some stagenet xmr for your project.
10:50:13 <Wallet> Mochi101: None@freenode 1618656613.2736974 <Mochi101> I synced my stagenet node. Tell em where I can donate some stagenet xmr for your project.
11:10:47 <msvb-mob> Meeting at #monero-events for Monero Village at Defcon planning staff in about seven hours.
11:10:48 <msvb-mob> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/565/
11:24:24 <CryptoBeggar> could you please send me 0.004 xmr
11:24:24 <CryptoBeggar> my wallet address is 8AcBPrQSVZyQVyYzQ1BGHaagu37M3tPfmX9bY2G96GCLHTeLn5PsK8nTRAAZpqL919g5Mi61kXxQyYqVNfMyvMBeAyWyTFx
11:25:40 <azy> .balance
11:25:41 <Wallet> azy: • Your balance is: 0.0001848 XMR (≈0.07 USD)
11:42:22 <CCosta[m]> living on north america, it might seem so distant the notion of needing unconfiscatable money, right? https://twitter.com/utxobr/status/1383385033914818562
12:26:31 <CryptoBeggar> could you please send me 0.004 xmr
12:26:31 <CryptoBeggar> my wallet address is 8AcBPrQSVZyQVyYzQ1BGHaagu37M3tPfmX9bY2G96GCLHTeLn5PsK8nTRAAZpqL919g5Mi61kXxQyYqVNfMyvMBeAyWyTFx
12:42:22 <jonah_xd[m]> Are mods asleep ?
12:51:09 <mmxxx[m]> usually
13:05:59 <persimmon> how does cakewallet make money as a company
13:13:57 <mpour[m]> > how does cakewallet make money as a company
13:13:57 <mpour[m]> I think they get a percentage of the fees from any exchange made on changenow.io through their app.
13:18:07 <xiewkixsmwkc> What kind of person steals from their own community? http://removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/fluffypony_needs_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and/ (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)
13:24:54 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Fluffy does
13:34:30 <ern> "Losing the savings" in crypto
13:34:35 <ern> then you do not deserve savings.
13:35:27 <ern> As a spice in the portfolio - yes, but "all savings" ...
13:37:12 <Daisy63> anyone mining on moneroocean?
13:40:29 <ern> .faucet
13:40:30 <Wallet> ​ern: What is the sqrt ​of 1
13:40:32 <ern> 1
13:40:33 <Wallet> ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to ern [3afd8f30] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644894
13:40:46 <ern> wohoo!
13:40:59 <louipc> weehee
13:52:37 <jonah_xd[m]> How long you have to answer question for you to buy a snickers bar ?
13:57:32 <charolastra> .faucet
13:57:34 <Wallet> ch​arolastra: What​ is 5 - 3?
13:57:37 <charolastra> 2
13:57:37 <Wallet> charolastra: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to charolastra [1ff1afd8] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644394
13:57:46 <charolastra> years
13:57:46 <louipc> what jonah_xd[m]
14:00:05 <devbordecraft[m]> .faucet
14:00:06 <Wallet> devbordecraft[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
14:00:08 <Wallet> dev​bordecraft[m]: How many were Three Little Pi​gs
14:00:17 <devbordecraft[m]> 3
14:00:18 <Wallet> devbordecraft[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to devbordecraft[m] [222dd60c] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01644144
14:00:29 <devbordecraft[m]> .balance
14:00:30 <Wallet> devbordecraft[m]: • Your balance is: 0.00007195 XMR (≈0.03 USD)
14:07:14 <bobbieweirder[m]> xiewkixsmwkc: why do people think it was him?
14:09:11 <asymptotically> bobbieweirder[m]: just ignore :P
14:11:26 <NoobUK> hi i'm new to crypto, is anyone around who can give me a couple of tips
14:11:57 <asymptotically> NoobUK: what kind of tips? you can find a lot of monero specific info on https://www.getmonero.org/ and https://www.monero.how/
14:12:59 <NoobUK> well... i have a bitcoin wallet on blockchain.com by someone's advice, and it doesn't seem to support monero, so i'm wondering if there is a trusted online wallet provider like that for monero
14:13:19 <bobbieweirder[m]> cake wallet!
14:14:10 <bobbieweirder[m]> you can also send BTC or LTC to cake and exchange for XMR
14:14:28 <NoobUK> i don't have a smartphone, is cake good on windows desktop?
14:15:05 <asymptotically> https://mymonero.com/
14:16:10 <NoobUK> looks good, cheers!
14:17:33 <NoobUK> now if i install that on my computer, and the computer breaks down, do i lose my monero or do i just need to backup a key code and use it on another pc?
14:17:45 <asymptotically> it's like your blockchain.info wallet where you're given a bunch of words to write down
14:18:17 <NoobUK> nice
14:19:03 <charolastra> make sure to keep that seed phrase safe
14:19:50 <NoobUK> will do
14:20:28 <fdgfyjncch[m]> kinda new to monero what does .faucet do
14:21:05 <charolastra> give you a riddle and some monero IOUs if you know the correct answer
14:21:52 <charolastra> the command is named incorectly. usually faucets gave you coins just for asking
14:21:54 <fdgfyjncch[m]> Can you transfer that to your own wallet?
14:22:02 <charolastra> sure
14:22:21 <fdgfyjncch[m]> what's the command for that
14:22:37 <jonah_xd[m]> <fdgfyjncch[m] "kinda new to monero what does .f"> Bro faucet has nothing to do with crypto in general, it means giving away low amount of dosh
14:25:21 <bobbieweirder[m]> https://twitter.com/mirko45407556/status/1383402999125446659?s=21
14:25:21 <bobbieweirder[m]> does anybody know about DAPS? they claim to be better than monero. i’m going to read up about it a bit but was wondering if people have any thoughts
14:43:04 <asymptotically> Mirko45407556 said it so it must be true
14:47:46 <WhiteNoise[m]> Sent a small amount of BTC from Edge to Samourai wallets - never turned up .... monero allow small transactions?
14:52:03 <bobbieweirder[m]> asymptotically: i am not taking it at face value. i just want to get a better understanding of why it’s not true
14:54:52 <selsta> there is so much wrong with the chart
14:54:58 <selsta> not even going to bother
14:54:59 <bobbieweirder[m]> i read the whitepaper but i just don’t have the tech-savvy eye to know if it’s gonna give us a run for our money or just BS
14:55:51 <bobbieweirder[m]> https://officialdapscoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DAPS-WHITE-PAPER-2020.pdf
14:58:11 <selsta> PoS PoW PoA hybrid
14:58:16 <selsta> nice buzzword bingo lol
14:59:42 <nioc> I used to love playing bingo as a kid
16:47:05 <bravethebrowser[> Why isn't Monero experiencing the hashrate problem that Bitcoin currently is?
16:47:44 <zib> Monero adjust the difficulty with each block
16:47:47 <hyc> you mean the problem that's caused by 70% of bitcoin's hashrate residing in China?
16:48:17 <bravethebrowser[> Isn't the incentive for all miners to be in China the same for all coins?
16:48:50 <hyc> no
16:49:02 <hyc> there are 2 major incentives. one is cheap electricity
16:49:12 <hyc> and there are other places in the world that can provide that
16:49:37 <hyc> the other is proximity to ASIC factories, all of which are located in China
16:49:37 <zib> Well. It's easier for the Bitcoin hashrate to get centralized in china since the asic miners are mostly made there
16:49:43 <hyc> and has no relevance to Monero
16:49:44 <zib> ok you said it ;)
16:50:02 <zib> Monero is just better. YES I SAID IT ;)
16:50:07 <hyc> lol
16:50:39 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Hello, are there any trusted online wallets?
16:51:16 <anon_82641[m]> mymonero
16:51:41 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Can anyone else confirm this, or deny?
16:52:24 <nioc> can confirm
16:52:31 <hyc> yes, mymonero is run by a monero core team member
16:52:37 <anon_82641[m]> https://github.com/moneroexamples/openmonero
16:54:37 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Wasn't fluffy kicked out?
16:55:06 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Well
16:55:12 <nioc> wut
16:55:19 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> It won't open either
16:55:34 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> https://blocked.mymonero.com/
16:55:48 <zib> Fluffy ended up in the hospital from all the watches preventing circulation in his arms
16:56:09 <bravethebrowser[> Fluffy exit scammed.
16:56:53 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Yeah so why would I use his wallet
16:57:01 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> And it still won't work
16:57:02 <hyc> he's joking
16:57:08 <zib> It works for me
16:57:08 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> I'm using tails
16:57:17 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> On tails?
16:57:32 <zib> Let me start it up
16:58:54 <zib> You mean just accessing the website or the app?
16:59:56 <zib> wallet.mymonero.com works for me
17:02:33 <nioc> is that the real site or one of the many phishing sites?
17:03:06 <zib> ssl matches
17:03:13 <zib> But it seems mymonero blocks some tor exit nodes
17:03:16 <endogenic> anything at mymonero.com would be published by whoever has dns admin access
17:03:26 <endogenic> yes mymonero blocks that
17:03:39 <endogenic> there are ways for bad JS to be injected
17:03:46 <endogenic> and fingerprinting to happen
17:04:03 <zib> Injecting bad js over ssl? How would that happen.
17:04:12 <endogenic> tor exit nodes
17:04:36 <endogenic> you can google it
17:04:37 <zib> Well they can do self signed certs but it would fail then. But maybe you mean people accepting it anyway
17:05:23 <zib> Anyway. I'm sure there's good logic behind it
17:05:29 <zib> But why not use an .onion?
17:05:34 <endogenic> why are you sure
17:05:48 <philogy[m]> Not sure if this is the right channel but I was wondering what the communities thoughts on social recovery are?
17:05:58 <zib> heh because it probably happened and that's why they block it
17:07:02 <zib> Anyway it's not blocking my exit so they should update the list :P
17:07:04 <endogenic> logic can also be used to make something false seem likely
17:07:30 <endogenic> philogy[m]: what is social recovery ?
17:08:58 <philogy[m]> <endogenic "philogy: what is social recovery"> Social recovery is the concept that in order to make wallets more user-friendly and potentially more secure one creates a wallet such that one can recover it via socially trusted contacts such as friends and family instead of having to keep track of mnemonic phrase.
17:09:59 <nioc> I don't want to be responsible
17:10:01 <nioc> oh
17:10:17 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Works now
17:10:22 <zib> antisocial recovery sounds better
17:10:28 <endogenic> philogy[m]: you dont want to keep track of it anyway
17:10:40 <endogenic> it's a vuln
17:10:46 <philogy[m]> <endogenic "philogy: you dont want to keep t"> wdym?
17:10:48 <endogenic> attack surface
17:11:12 <abcdefg_irssi> Jeremih if you're using tails download the GUI or CLI and connect via a remote node thats accessable by the tor network
17:11:27 <abcdefg_irssi> You need to do some googling to find one and put the node info in your settings
17:11:46 <abcdefg_irssi> Put it on your persistence drive as well unless you want to recover your wallet every time you launch tails
17:12:08 <abcdefg_irssi> needs to be a hidden service node
17:12:43 <philogy[m]> <endogenic "attack surface"> Not keeping track of your seed is even worse, no? If you lose your device then your funds are completely lost. At least with a mnemonic phrase you can recover your wallet
17:13:06 <abcdefg_irssi> seeds are very difficult in my mind
17:13:16 <endogenic> no i mean distributing it physically
17:13:31 <endogenic> plus encryption
17:13:35 <abcdefg_irssi> where would you keep this piece of paper that it is immune to being taken and that you can trust it will be safe
17:13:39 <abcdefg_irssi> family members?
17:13:59 <endogenic> in theory i should be able to safely publish an encryped seed on this channel
17:14:04 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> It's not updated on the website, not yet at least
17:14:14 <abcdefg_irssi> what isnt updated
17:14:20 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> The . appimage
17:14:28 <abcdefg_irssi> just download the GUI wallet and configure it to connect to a remote node
17:14:39 <abcdefg_irssi> CLI is better
17:15:16 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/linux64
17:15:21 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> It's outdated
17:15:29 <zib> I work for a company that helps with this. Our current setup is 2 copies of the encrypted seed in safety deposit boxes in 2 countries. Then the password to the seed in the location of the client + one in another country.
17:15:49 <M4268583364[m]> Nevermind
17:15:54 <M4268583364[m]> He's wrong
17:15:57 <endogenic> zib you can also shamir secret share the pw
17:16:03 <M4268583364[m]> It's not updated on the onion website
17:16:28 <apotheon> zib: What company helps with that kind of thing?
17:16:28 <M4268583364[m]> It should work on the link you provided Jeremih
17:16:32 <zib> endogenic: Yes. It's a weight of security etc
17:16:46 <abcdefg_irssi> zib private companies are terrible for safety deposit boxes
17:16:47 <abcdefg_irssi> not safe
17:16:48 <abcdefg_irssi> https://patch.com/california/beverlyhills/dea-fbi-usps-investigate-beverly-hills-strip-mall
17:16:51 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Oh alright, I'll do that then
17:16:52 <abcdefg_irssi> just happened recently
17:17:04 <abcdefg_irssi> FBI, DEA etc came in and seized literally every private safety deposit box
17:17:19 <abcdefg_irssi> told customers they need to prove how they earned the cash in each box
17:17:24 <zib> abcdefg_irssi: Yes i'm aware. These vaults are in "international soil". Usually Freeport inside airports.
17:17:33 <zib> Same people use for gold storage etc
17:17:43 <zib> One is in Singapore for example
17:17:53 <zib> So you can fly there and access it without clearing singapore immigration etc. You never leave the airport
17:18:00 <apotheon> abcdefg_irssi: Jeebus.  Really?  That's insane.
17:18:16 <endogenic> so i can send monero myself from the future
17:18:23 <endogenic> jk
17:18:28 <apotheon> right
17:18:29 <abcdefg_irssi> yes one guy i might know had like 400k in a box and now has to prove how he earned it
17:18:39 <apotheon> counterentropic Monero
17:18:46 <apotheon> the wave of the futu- . . . err, past
17:18:54 <abcdefg_irssi> although their setup was not anonymous like they claimed
17:19:01 <abcdefg_irssi> they used retina scanning
17:19:01 <endogenic> apotheon: you have to have already spent it
17:19:08 <endogenic> try not to overthink it
17:19:09 <abcdefg_irssi> so its still an identifier that is unique
17:19:11 <endogenic> 🤣
17:19:22 <apotheon> I wish Tenet was a better movie.
17:19:32 <volantaryism1[m]> abcdefg_irssi: how did we ever let it get to a point that you have to 'prove you earned' something and if you dont meet some arbitrary standard your funds are stolen
17:19:41 <abcdefg_irssi> I'm not sure
17:19:55 <abcdefg_irssi> its getting taken to court under 4th amendment because they went in with a blanket warrant and seized every singel box
17:20:04 <abcdefg_irssi> i believe 4th amendment
17:20:46 <abcdefg_irssi> https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-08/seizure-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-boxes-lawsuits
17:21:17 <abcdefg_irssi> "Armed with a warrant, agents with the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration pulled each of the store’s several hundred boxes out of the walls and seized all the contents. It took five days to inventory everything and take it to an undisclosed warehouse. Prosecutors said drugs, weapons and stacks of currency that drew the attention of drug-sniffing dogs were discovered."
17:21:17 <Quotes> FBI? Morono protects me.
17:21:22 <abcdefg_irssi> Like what
17:21:33 <zib> abcdefg_irssi: Thats why you're safety deposit box needs to be in the US but also outside the US :D
17:21:43 <bobbieweirder[m]> sounds like an egregious 4A violation to me. how could they possibly have probable cause on every single deposit box at that location? they would have to have shown every single box is linked to the same specific crime and that’s bonkers
17:21:50 <abcdefg_irssi> "To reclaim property, people must identify themselves to federal authorities and prove they are the rightful owners of the items — a bar that may prove challenging to clear when dealing with cash, gold, heirloom jewelry and other undocumented items.
17:22:19 <abcdefg_irssi> whats shitty is even if you go through the courts and get your shit back without having to prove anything well know youre known to the FBI as the guy with cash in a safety deposit box
17:22:26 <abcdefg_irssi> now*
17:23:04 <philogy[m]> <endogenic "zib you can also shamir secret s"> Yes you can, and that's a pretty secure approach but you still have the problem of it being highly inconvenient and you need to take care of actually storing the shards
17:23:16 <philogy[m]> With social recovery you get security and convenience,
17:24:12 <philogy[m]> you just create a wallet, no seed to remember and designate a bunch of trusted parties to be recoverers as part of an n-of-m multisig
17:24:13 <volantaryism1[m]> Gov agencies always try to test the waters when it comes to infringing on peoples rights
17:25:02 <apotheon> The FBI and DEA can do that to pretty much anything.  Sure, it's "illegal", but that doesn't mean they can't physically do it.
17:28:08 <abcdefg_irssi> yeah insane
17:30:27 <apotheon> definitely time to rewrite my password manager
17:36:06 <bobbieweirder[m]> the prosecution’s implied assumption that “if you care about privacy that much you’re probably sketchy anyway” is really problematic to me
17:36:46 <bobbieweirder[m]> but it echoes a wider societal sentiment. a lot of everyday say this— “i don’t care because i have nothing to hide”
17:37:34 <abcdefg_irssi> yeah i was talking to some guy the other day that i knew from a few years ago
17:37:45 <abcdefg_irssi> hes getting into computer programming through some bootcamp school or some shit
17:38:12 <abcdefg_irssi> we were talking about private communications and he said it was sketchy I used signal because why would anyone use it if they had nothing to hide
17:38:29 <abcdefg_irssi> I wanted to just call him a cuck instead of explaining but its retarded
17:38:35 <abcdefg_irssi> people really believe that
17:38:43 <charolastra> did you ask him for dick pics + his bank details?
17:38:55 <abcdefg_irssi> I should've
17:39:27 <abcdefg_irssi> .val xmr
17:39:27 <Wallet> abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈362.35 • ccc/HuobiPro: ≈$362.12 24HΔ: 6.76% Vol: 361.17K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$362.58 24HΔ: 8.78% 7DΔ: 24.75854% [< 16m]
17:42:03 <apotheon> 17:38 < abcdefg_irssi> we were talking about private communications and he said it was sketchy I used signal because why would anyone use it if they had nothing to hide
17:42:10 <apotheon> I don't really trust Signal all that much, anyway.
17:42:14 <bobbieweirder[m]> <abcdefg_irssi "I wanted to just call him a cuck"> i started using tutanota for my professional networking email. people have asked me about it but when i tell them why they’ve rarely been sketched out
17:42:46 <bobbieweirder[m]> but it makes me sad that this guy is so oblivious
17:43:35 <bobbieweirder[m]> people who want to go into programming should at least see the value of privacy. it’s so front and center in everything digital that we use
17:43:52 <apotheon> If you want to get through to them, you need to figure out their political leanings and exploit those to give explanations that play on their biases.
17:44:23 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: yes i agree. privacy is a bipartisan issue i truly believe that
17:44:38 <apotheon> Yeah, but if you give the wrong explanation you lose them "forever".
17:44:52 <apotheon> "OH YOU MUST BE ONE OF *THEM*!"
17:44:57 <volantaryism1[m]> bobbieweirder: is tutona legit? Germany is 14 eyes
17:45:38 <apotheon> I love that 14 Eyes is a thing now.  It's so lovecraftian . . . which is perfect for the growth of surveillance police states.
17:46:54 <bobbieweirder[m]> volantaryism1: it works with my threat profile for purposes of this email account. i am handing it out to strangers anyway. it’s just a lower cost privacy option one step up of like gmail
17:47:15 <bobbieweirder[m]> i think protonmail is better, and running your own server is even more so
17:47:56 <Monegro> test
17:48:05 <volantaryism1[m]> bobbieweirder: i use tor mail services only
17:48:05 <volantaryism1[m]> apotheon : they should have called them tentacles lol
17:48:48 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: something that i still struggle with is how much privacy should we agree to give up for a reasonable level of societal protection. and i still trip up when i talk to people about privacy
17:48:51 <apotheon> NATO is the tentacles thing, I guess.
17:49:09 <apotheon> or maybe something like whatever they're calling the North American "free" trade stuff now.
17:49:29 <bobbieweirder[m]> volantaryism1: i’m still trying to figure it all out. can you tell us more about about tor mail services?
17:49:32 <apotheon> We shouldn't give up any privacy for it.
17:50:24 <apotheon> The politicians, government bureaucrats, and enforcers are the only people who should give up privacy as a matter of policy.
17:51:57 <volantaryism1[m]> bobbieweirder: dark.fail has a list of onion email services
17:52:00 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: i think that’s a perfectly acceptable position at least to me, but if the concern is “i would rather give up some privacy so we know ISIS is not laundering money through our system”, i don’t think that’s unreasonable either
17:52:51 <apotheon> I think the world would have far fewer problems with things like ISIS if governments let people have their lives back.
17:53:11 <bobbieweirder[m]> volantaryism1: i will take a look! i had a really old macbook that i used to use very haphazardly for Tor (didn’t use tails). i have a new computer now so i’m trying to figure it all out anew
17:53:59 <apotheon> I don't believe in a right to privacy per se, but I do believe we have a right to defend our privacy, and nobody has a right to force us to give it up.  Governments go around forcing us to give up privacy at every turn, and it should be no surprise that people are flipping out and killing other people in a world where they can't just live in peace and not have someone prying into everything they
17:54:05 <apotheon> do.
17:57:20 <abcdefg_irssi> I think the problem is that its never ISIS
17:57:50 <abcdefg_irssi> thats the reason for undermining privacy rights but in reality its barely even a thing and applies to almost nobody
17:58:01 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: i agree with that. ultimately if the government wants to snoop, they need to ask us, and if we say no, they to find a better way. but like abcdefg was saying earlier, there are too many people who are willing to serve it to the gov on a platter
17:58:17 <apotheon> abcdefg_irssi: that too
17:58:37 <apotheon> bobbieweirder[m]: Yeah, that's a big issue.
17:58:38 <msvb-mob> Monero Village at Defcon 29 (2021 hybrid hotel and online) meeting on #monero-events in one minute.
17:58:40 <abcdefg_irssi> Its much more realistic to identify those with links to terrorist organizations and monitor them then to just cast a wide net on EVERYONE with the excuse of monitoring terrorism
17:58:53 <bobbieweirder[m]> abcdefg_irssi: ISIS/terrorism is just an extreme example, but i think crime prevention is what people get hung up on.
17:58:59 <apotheon> huh
17:59:14 <Elon_Sat0shi> bonan tagon everyonen
17:59:14 <apotheon> Maybe I should join #monero-events and see what that's about.
17:59:20 <abcdefg_irssi> yea im going to lol
17:59:33 <bobbieweirder[m]> honestly i can’t even come to a solid place on what i really think about money laundering
17:59:53 <apotheon> abcdefg_irssi: They just want to use the war on tourism as an excuse to get access to everything.
18:00:11 <abcdefg_irssi> money laundering is happening currently despite wide ranging access to everyones personal info
18:00:23 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: how do i find that room? it’s not showing up for me... (amateur hour!!)
18:00:41 <bobbieweirder[m]> abcdefg_irssi: it’s harder than it could be though
18:00:44 <apotheon> bobbieweirder[m]: Money "laundering" is just privacy.  It should be left alone.
18:01:13 <apotheon> bobbieweirder[m]: I don't know how you'd get to it from Matrix.  I'm on IRC.
18:01:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> bobbieweirder[m]: #freenode_#monero-events:matrix.org
18:01:50 * Elon_Sat0shi is a Matrix user but is on IRC right now
18:01:55 <volantaryism1[m]> There will always be someone who comits financial crimes, whatevee currency they use is irrelevant
18:02:06 <volantaryism1[m]> * There will always be someone who comits financial crime, whatever currency they use is irrelevant
18:03:12 <apotheon> . . . and yeah, there's not really a way to stop money "laundering".  It's just an excuse to get more prying eyes into everyone's business.
18:03:18 <Elon_Sat0shi> happy alt season
18:03:20 <bobbieweirder[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: thanks!
18:03:42 <Elon_Sat0shi> no prob
18:04:03 <Elon_Sat0shi> is there somehow a certain time of year forbalt season?
18:04:14 <bobbieweirder[m]> apotheon: i don’t really know if i agree with that (yet) though
18:04:14 <Elon_Sat0shi> when does everyone decide it's alt season?
18:04:53 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: check the BTC dominance, its what a lot of people use
18:05:02 <volantaryism1[m]> Falling dom = alt
18:05:13 <volantaryism1[m]> Bitcoin dom fell below 50% today
18:05:20 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh wow
18:05:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> do you think it'll go back over fifty percent?
18:06:38 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: cant predict the future but falling dominance can have positive feedback
18:06:58 <volantaryism1[m]> Falling dom = alts = dom falls further = more alts and repeat
18:07:41 <volantaryism1[m]> Btc doesnt have anything going for it other than its price so falling dom can be quite destructive to price
18:08:11 <apotheon> lookin' grim for the mooners
18:08:26 <Elon_Sat0shi> not just its price, but its acceptance
18:08:49 <Elon_Sat0shi> more businesses accept bitcoin than other cryptos
18:09:15 <Elon_Sat0shi> it's THE crypto that everyone hears of first
18:09:26 <Elon_Sat0shi> but yeah that's all it has going
18:09:30 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: not really, accepting one crypto is as easy as any other if you use coinbase payment api / btcpay
18:10:19 <apotheon> Bitcoin was the first cryptocurrency in the real world that I encountered.
18:10:31 <apotheon> Of course, I'm not sure there was another blockchain currency when I heard of it.
18:10:42 <Elon_Sat0shi> can you use those to just accept almost all currencies? or do you have to pick which cryptos you want?
18:11:20 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: you can set it up so it accepts any currency (including monero) and have it be converted to any currency of your choosing
18:11:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> cuz if you have to pick, someone who knows nothing about monero isn't going to accept monero, no matter how easy it is ti add it to their api
18:11:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh ok cool
18:12:27 <apotheon> Does Coinbase payment API support cryptocurrencies that Coinbase exchnage doesn't?
18:12:32 <apotheon> err
18:12:39 <Elon_Sat0shi> is there a way to accept fiat and have it go directly into my non custodial monero address?
18:12:41 <apotheon> s/exchnage/exchange/
18:12:57 <apotheon> another good question
18:13:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> if not, a way to accept s/fiat/btc or any other crypto/maybe?
18:23:00 <volantaryism1[m]> Power outage in china took 30% of btcs hashrate offline and the next difficulty adjustment is 2 weeks away
18:23:38 <volantaryism1[m]> Avg blocktime is now 15 minutes
18:23:49 <volantaryism1[m]> Shows the importance of decentralized mining
18:25:16 <hyc> indeed. and also, the importance of a network that adjusts gradually in response to changes, instead of discrete steps at fixed time intervals
18:25:33 <hyc> the BTC halving intervals are braindead stupid. same with the difficulty adjustment intervals.
18:26:08 <hyc> the real world doesn't operate on fixed-time intervals...
18:27:37 <hyc> pretty much everything about BTC's operational details are completely braindead.
18:29:08 <apotheon> Things are supposed to be updated when the old way doesn't work well.
18:29:30 <Elon_Sat0shi> how do we make monero's mining more decentralized?
18:29:40 <hyc> 2009 to 12 years later. still waiting for btc to improve :P
18:30:17 <volantaryism1[m]> hyc: lol if bitcoin had continued to improve i dont think there would be even 1/100th as many alts there are now
18:30:25 <apotheon> Elon_Sat0shi: mine, and use a smaller mining pool, I guess
18:30:28 <Inge-> Elon_Sat0shi: we just passed 100 000 miners
18:30:29 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: join a small mining pool
18:30:34 <dynline[m]> Are there any other coins besides Monero that you like hyc?
18:30:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> ero?
18:30:47 <volantaryism1[m]> Btc mempool over 180k now
18:30:49 <apotheon> well, gota run
18:30:50 <apotheon> ta
18:30:52 <floam412> I mean, think of it in a naiive/excited Satoshi mind frame... halvings seems reasonable, but you can't see the ramifications of that unless you are around 4 years later and see what it did to the blocks and mining
18:31:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> has anyone tried to make a p2pool for monero?
18:31:27 <hyc> dynline[m]: I don't spend muc htime looking at other coins
18:32:16 <hyc> floam412: meh. there was never any real world rationale for it. everything in the real world decays gradually
18:32:20 <dynline[m]> Me neither, Monero's way too interesting.
18:32:25 <hyc> like radioactive half life
18:33:48 <floam412> true... but I guess thinking about it in a "game theory" mind set, it seems like there is incentive to invent some sort of "hype" around each and every halving that mining companies worship and promote
18:34:03 <floam412> idk, this is 4th mimosa floam talking
18:34:04 <hyc> particularly if your purpose is *distribution* you should be looking at inverse square, inverse cube, etc.
18:34:13 <floam412> moving on to fancy beers soon, so watch out :p
18:34:26 <hyc> because that's how real things distribute from a point source.
18:34:57 <floam412> very true... I'm a big fan of how xmr does the distribution thing
18:35:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> i think ethereum is kinda interesting too
18:35:18 <floam412> :fire-poop emoji:
18:35:34 <floam412> ethereum sucks a big ol' stanky D
18:35:43 <hyc> dunno. eth may have an interesting concept but its implementation is pathetic
18:35:47 <floam412> world's computer my ass
18:35:51 <hyc> ^
18:36:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> how so?
18:36:36 <floam412> Tari gonna be way more advanced and no one will know about it, because it doesn't rely on marketing hype and creepy Vitalik clapping his hands for people to buy-in
18:36:45 <hyc> imagine you want to solve "2+2=?" - you can do it trivially on your own computer, or you can farm it out to the World Computer
18:36:58 <floam412> they rolled back transactions... any time a "decentralized" coin does that, makes it an immediate scam
18:37:15 <floam412> rolling back transaction is like the *definition* of centralization
18:37:17 <floam412> it's bull shit
18:37:46 <hyc> so yeah, no practical use case, and no adherence to any professed principles
18:38:45 <floam412> Tari ftw, can't wait for the real thing
18:38:46 <Elon_Sat0shi> what about DAI, non fungible tokens, and defi?
18:39:00 <raecarruth> lol, defi is ass
18:39:03 <Inge-> floam412: I doubt it would be possible to roll back now like they did then
18:39:03 <floam412> just know that all that shit is garbage, because the underlying chain is garbage
18:39:06 <Elon_Sat0shi> hmm, I'll have to look up tari
18:39:32 <floam412> it's still in testing phase ES
18:40:14 <floam412> anything that throws the middle finger to the suits is what I financially support.  That's why I mainly stick to xmr, and some btc
18:40:30 <Elon_Sat0shi> lol
18:40:30 <floam412> #FuckTheSuits
18:40:49 <raecarruth> #birthdaysuits
18:40:53 <floam412> I'm a dying breed and on the alcohols... I'm in a GOML mood
18:40:54 <raecarruth> \o/
18:41:06 <floam412> \0
18:41:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> GOML?
18:41:12 <floam412> Get Off My Lawn
18:41:17 <Elon_Sat0shi> ah
18:41:34 <raecarruth> kek
18:41:39 <floam412> ehh, should of just typed the whole thing. laziness
18:41:40 <raecarruth> stand your ground?
18:42:35 <floam412> Nah, just more like 'leave me alone'... I think I've had enough of my old job because they pissed me off and thinking of surviving just on xmr, which is difficult when you live in the area I'm in
18:42:36 <Elon_Sat0shi> can someone tell me the details about how garbage ETH's chain is? I'm curious now
18:42:38 <floam412> high mortgage rates
18:42:44 <floam412> google its
18:43:15 <Elon_Sat0shi> but if i google eth i only find out about how it's supposedly good
18:43:19 <floam412> there are plenty of resources telling you how shitty Eth is... some of it is over dramatic, but a lot of it is true
18:43:34 <floam412> I'm sure wikipedia is a fine resource on it
18:43:49 <Elon_Sat0shi> okay
18:43:50 <floam412> a 'fair and balanced' resource... lol
18:44:02 <raecarruth> there was a gang of premine
18:44:07 <raecarruth> it's pretty centralized
18:44:08 <floam412> oh yeah, huge
18:44:10 <raecarruth> it's bloated
18:44:16 <floam412> vitalik and co. got paid big time
18:44:19 <raecarruth> it's expensive to send
18:44:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> eth was premined? oh wow
18:44:26 <floam412> they don't care
18:44:30 <dynline[m]> literally rolled back the chain after a hack
18:44:34 <floam412> yep
18:44:45 <floam412> washed their hands after it and called it good
18:44:52 <Elon_Sat0shi> how did they roll it back?
18:44:53 <raecarruth> and idiots let them
18:44:54 <floam412> eth is poop garbage
18:44:58 <dynline[m]> its just a useless project altogether but that's more of an opinion
18:44:59 <raecarruth> by buying into their horseshit
18:45:17 <dynline[m]> they forked it elon, that's why ethereum classic exists
18:45:22 <raecarruth> dynline[m]: one shared by a lot of folks interested in cryptocurrency before eth
18:45:24 <floam412> yeah, people don't care if they are in the green on their trades
18:47:06 <Elon_Sat0shi> do you think it could be possible for monero to be forked like that?
18:47:09 <floam412> Like there are a lot of projects that use Eth that I genuinely believe in, like bisq... They need some kind of system that allows them to be a decentralized organization, however using Ethereum is not the answer
18:47:31 <floam412> Nor do I believe in Eth Classic, because again... same fucked up system that was before the fork, so Vitalik still wins
18:47:40 <floam412> yes it is always possible
18:47:47 <floam412> there were forks that happened before
18:48:00 <Elon_Sat0shi> speaking of bisq, i am looking forward to haveno
18:48:01 <floam412> the one true "monero" chain is still in effect tho
18:48:06 <floam412> me too, tbh
18:48:17 <floam412> I hope they don't use Eth to start off with, but that's up to them
18:48:30 <dynline[m]> forks mean nothing if nobody uses them, see bitcoin sv lol
18:48:42 <floam412> exactly
18:49:02 <Elon_Sat0shi> but if they start with eth, i can trade all my eth for monero
18:49:17 <raecarruth> you hodl eth?
18:49:19 <raecarruth> kek
18:49:33 <Elon_Sat0shi> i do have eth
18:49:44 <Elon_Sat0shi> but you guys have made me think twice about having it
18:49:52 <raecarruth> i'm glad
18:49:56 <raecarruth> support real projects
18:50:04 <raecarruth> not digital donkey shit
18:50:18 <floam412> yeah, fuck those projects
18:50:24 <floam412> there are people doing real good work
18:50:42 <floam412> Tari is a big time example, but there are others outside of monero that are doing good stuff too
18:50:49 <floam412> you just need to DYOR
18:50:55 <floam412> look into what seems less skammy
18:51:16 <raecarruth> look at what might actually improve your day to day, in the long term
18:51:20 <Inge-> like ADA
18:51:24 <Elon_Sat0shi> i even had dogecoin once
18:51:25 * Inge- ducks, hides then runs away
18:51:27 <raecarruth> say what?
18:51:33 <floam412> if you are still convinced at the end of it and it makes sense in your head, then you should probably invest a little bit into it. .. AmericanPegasus hillariously told me that back in the day
18:51:34 <raecarruth> i still have dogecoin
18:51:38 <raecarruth> but it's gotten silly
18:51:43 <floam412> if only he practiced what he preached
18:51:46 <Elon_Sat0shi> yes
18:51:58 <floam412> dogecoin... :face-palm:
18:51:58 <raecarruth> it's the robinhood weirdos who have jumped onboard and turned it into something it wasn't
18:52:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh i just realized fari is esperanto
18:52:09 <raecarruth> dogecoin was always about the lols
18:52:17 <Inge-> even CryptoCobain was pretty clear that the guitarist they got showered in some crypto, should be advised to GET OUT OF DOGE :D
18:52:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> ah yes robinhood
18:52:27 <raecarruth> until celebrity endorsements on twitter
18:52:33 <raecarruth> and robinhood
18:53:02 <Elon_Sat0shi> so much for 1 doge = 1 doge
18:53:13 <raecarruth> it's still 1 doge = 1 doge
18:53:21 <floam412> I mean, they made something lame like Gamestop cool...
18:53:24 <raecarruth> but now we have morons who think they can drive it to 10 usd..
18:53:25 <floam412> That's a tall task
18:53:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> hey we still have wownero
18:53:35 <floam412> WOWZA
18:53:50 <floam412> wowing all the way to pluto mother fuckers... not even a planet
18:53:57 <raecarruth> i thought 1 usd was extreme
18:54:10 <Elon_Sat0shi> does fari have a great CLI interface like monero does?
18:54:12 <raecarruth> they haven't even gotten there yet and these doge n00bs are talking about 10 times that
18:54:36 <Elon_Sat0shi> doge nubs
18:54:52 <Elon_Sat0shi> wow such pump very dump
18:55:27 <dynline[m]> doge is literally a casino but people pushing it on tiktok and wherever don't exactly describe it like that lol, people are going to get fucked
18:55:39 <raecarruth> of course
18:55:44 <raecarruth> it always crashes back down
18:56:23 <Bigboiimike> Hello, Is there anyone available to help me?
18:56:37 <Elon_Sat0shi> sup Bigboiimike
18:56:38 <dynline[m]> yes
18:56:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> ni estas cxi tie
18:57:03 <Bigboiimike> Not much, I'm trying to get into Monero mineing and it directed me to come here
18:57:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> hmm, do you want to do solo mining or pool mining?
18:57:56 <Bigboiimike> I'm not sure whats the best way for me to do it honestly
18:58:14 <Bigboiimike> I know that i doing have the best computer in the world, but at the same time its not that bad.
18:58:32 <Bigboiimike> Maybe i should have done a little research to find out the difference between the two is
18:58:45 <Elon_Sat0shi> well, solo mining is like trying to win a lottery
18:58:46 <moneromooo> Solo mining is a lottery. You might get nothing, or $400 at once. Pool mining is more like drudgery. You get 0.002 or whatever every few days.
18:59:00 <moneromooo> Long term, you can expect about the same amount though, roughly.
18:59:06 <Elon_Sat0shi> what moneromooo said
18:59:35 <Bigboiimike> I just googled the information, and i think that the pool mining would be the best route
18:59:51 <Elon_Sat0shi> i recommend xmrig for pool mining
19:00:11 <Elon_Sat0shi> and find a small pool to help decentralize mining
19:01:21 <Bigboiimike> I just downloaded xmrig Is there a way to bypass the registration or do i have to purchase?
19:01:39 <moneromooo> It's a free program. You might have found a scam.
19:01:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> whoah xmrig is free
19:01:42 <volantaryism1[m]> Bigboiimike: there is no registration
19:01:51 <Elon_Sat0shi> sounds like a scam
19:02:02 <Bigboiimike> oh okay, i downloaded it from the xmrig website
19:02:05 <moneromooo> What URL did you find that on ?
19:02:17 <Bigboiimike> https://xmrig.com/
19:02:20 <volantaryism1[m]> Github.com/xmrig/xmrig is the legit link
19:03:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh and an xmrig config wizard is helpful
19:03:47 <volantaryism1[m]> Github.com/xmrig/xmrig/releases for the latest version
19:03:49 <Bigboiimike> Thank you, I will check this software out now.
19:04:07 <Bigboiimike> Is there a wallet that you guys prefer?
19:04:13 <Bigboiimike> I was told i need a local wallet
19:04:34 <Bigboiimike> I have 10k doge sitting on crypto.com and i was told to store it locally
19:04:46 <Elon_Sat0shi> the official monero wallet from getmonero.org for desktop
19:05:05 <Bigboiimike> I havent used mirc in about 15 years this is crazy
19:05:17 <Elon_Sat0shi> and monerujo or cake wallet for mobile
19:05:27 <charolastra> but you don't actually need to sync the blockchain
19:05:42 <Elon_Sat0shi> i'd try mirc if it were open source
19:05:54 <Bigboiimike> What chat clients do you guys use?
19:06:10 <Elon_Sat0shi> i use irssi but irssi is a learning curve
19:06:20 <Elon_Sat0shi> hexchat is user friendly
19:06:31 <Bigboiimike> I used to be into bitcoin big back when it was trading at around $1 each coin, and then i stopped using PC and left behind 250ish bitcoin
19:06:44 <Elon_Sat0shi> hot damn
19:06:51 <Bigboiimike> then years later when i tried to login because it was gaining value it said since i didnt log in for 6 months that i am waxed
19:07:20 <charolastra> lol, a classic. that's why you need to have them in your own wallet
19:07:49 <Elon_Sat0shi> and then you forget your password to your own wallet
19:08:00 <Elon_Sat0shi> but at least some company doesn't have it
19:08:15 <Bigboiimike> yup thats why im trying to learn this all now, i used to be into computers bigtime but then my father passed and i went on a drinking spree and landed on herion and got stuck for years... Been clean for almost 3 years now.
19:08:16 <charolastra> don't encrypt the wallet then
19:08:44 <Bigboiimike> I wasted so much valuable time that i would have been using on the PC and would have struck it rich lol
19:08:52 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: keep the seedphrase safe
19:09:04 <Elon_Sat0shi> yes
19:09:49 <Bigboiimike> LOL the registration thing that popped up before was from winzip lol
19:09:53 <Bigboiimike> dummy me
19:10:58 <Elon_Sat0shi> i keep my seedphrase buried in the backyard, in that patch dirt i'm too lazy to plow
19:11:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's also where the bodies are buried
19:11:26 <Bigboiimike> lol
19:11:35 <Bigboiimike> this xrig will not let me install it
19:11:44 <Bigboiimike> when i click it says that the name is wrong wtf
19:11:55 <Bigboiimike> i hate being this bad with pc's now a days
19:12:32 <Elon_Sat0shi> fair warning, xmrig has no gui
19:13:04 <Elon_Sat0shi> can you use a terminal or edit a config at least?
19:16:37 <Elon_Sat0shi> testing 1 2 3 can anyone hear me? my connection to irc was a bit slow
19:17:26 <sech1> 1 2 3 test succeeded
19:17:27 <moneromooo> Yes.
19:17:44 <Bigboiimike> I can not lol
19:18:30 <yanmaani> is haven officially related to monero?
19:18:47 <Elon_Sat0shi> no
19:18:52 <Bigboiimike> I think that this will be to complex for me, I have the Monero wallet done and installed
19:19:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> which monero wallet?
19:19:20 <Elon_Sat0shi> Monero GUI from getmonero.org?
19:19:48 <Bigboiimike> Yes
19:19:50 <raecarruth> feather wallet > monero official gui
19:20:12 <moneromooo> Haven is a monero fork AFAIK. Unless you mean haveno, which is a bisq fork that'll include monero as a first class citizen.
19:20:58 <Bigboiimike> I need monero for this website i would like to use, But im learning about PGP and can not use it until i figure out how to encrypt my messages
19:22:30 <yanmaani> is it any good, then?
19:22:39 <yanmaani> How does it even work? Is it just a shitcoin scam?
19:23:13 <Elon_Sat0shi> haven is like monero but centralized or something
19:26:35 <Elon_Sat0shi> speaking of websites that use PGP, I'd like to mention that there's a really good resource on using and buying Monero that's available via the Tor Browser, called XMRGuide.
19:27:03 <Elon_Sat0shi> Or at least, using it with Tails OS or over Tor. But it also has a list of decent exchanges.
19:27:47 <lord_fomo[m]> <Elon_Sat0shi "speaking of websites that use PG"> link it
19:27:58 <Elon_Sat0shi> Bigboiimike: What operating system are you trying to use XMRig on?
19:28:02 <Elon_Sat0shi> okay lemme find the link
19:28:05 <Bigboiimike> Windows
19:28:13 <Bigboiimike> 10
19:28:27 <Bigboiimike> I'm on windows XP
19:28:35 <Elon_Sat0shi> What happens when you try to run the xmrig exe file?
19:28:41 <Bigboiimike> Let me do it again
19:28:45 <Elon_Sat0shi> Have you tried running it in a CMD prompt?
19:28:51 <Bigboiimike> i have to unzip it again
19:29:00 <Elon_Sat0shi> (which will probably give you an error saying it has no config or something like that)
19:29:48 <Elon_Sat0shi> And I would gladly link to XMRGuide if it weren't for my Tor Browser is loading really slowly due to slow internet because I'm out of data
19:30:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> Maybe I can find it on the clearweb
19:30:20 <Bigboiimike> IT has a box that pops up and then the exe file goes away
19:30:27 <Bigboiimike> the popup goes so fast i cant read it
19:30:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> That sounds like the cmd prompt opening briefly
19:30:52 <Bigboiimike> the box is in mid of screen
19:31:08 <Bigboiimike> i saw it once and said something about the filename is inncorect
19:31:09 <Elon_Sat0shi> Is the box black with white text?
19:31:14 <Bigboiimike> is not
19:31:20 <Bigboiimike> its like a error box
19:31:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> Hmm. White with black text?
19:31:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> Oh
19:31:32 <Elon_Sat0shi> Can you try running XMRig in a CMD prompt?
19:32:47 <Elon_Sat0shi> (prest Win + R, then type cmd then hit enter. Then type "cd c:\(insert path to XMRig folder here)" into CMD)
19:33:14 <Bigboiimike> oh geez, I haven't done this in a log time
19:33:17 <Bigboiimike> let me try lol
19:33:23 <Bigboiimike> thanks for your help by the way
19:33:27 <Bigboiimike> i really do appricate it
19:33:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> you might be able to start typing the name of the folder and pressing tab to autocomplete
19:33:35 <Elon_Sat0shi> you're welcome!
19:34:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> And it might also be possible, in Windows File Explorer, to hold shift and right click in the white space under the file and folder icons, which will add a new right click menu entry that says "Open in terminal" or "Open in CMD" or something like that
19:34:43 <Elon_Sat0shi> which will open a terminal in the same folder as XMRig when you open it like that
19:36:13 <Elon_Sat0shi> Okay here's a link to xmrguide: http://xmrguide42y34onq.onion
19:36:23 <Bigboiimike> I am going to put the file directly in my C drive so its easy to figure out
19:36:24 <Elon_Sat0shi> darkfail proof: https://dark.fail/xmrguide
19:36:32 <Bigboiimike> Okay so i have the file directly in my C drive
19:36:56 <Elon_Sat0shi> Okay. IF you run xmrguide with the terminal, it should output an error
19:37:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> It just needs to be configured
19:37:16 <Elon_Sat0shi> If I could just find the wizard I used once before
19:37:22 <Bigboiimike> what would be the command to run it if the file is in folder xmrig-6.11.2 and then the exe is xmrig
19:37:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> .\xmrig or maybe just xmrig
19:37:58 <Elon_Sat0shi> or maybe .\xmrig.exe
19:38:17 <Elon_Sat0shi> what does dir after cd c:\xmrig-6.11.2?
19:38:33 <Elon_Sat0shi> don't paste multiple lines here
19:38:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> but it should show what the xmrig exe file is called
19:39:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> what does `dir` say after `cd c:\xmrig-6.11.2`? *
19:39:06 <Bigboiimike> okay i opened the terminal and stuff is coming back to me
19:39:20 <Bigboiimike> im in the xmrig-6* folder
19:39:30 <Bigboiimike> and i see xrig.exe
19:40:17 <Elon_Sat0shi> okay .\xmrig.exe should work
19:40:43 <Bigboiimike> '.' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
19:40:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> hmm
19:40:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> maybe just xmrig.exe?
19:41:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> it's been a while since i last used windows
19:41:22 <Bigboiimike> The system cannot execute the specified program.
19:41:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> oof
19:41:35 <Bigboiimike> i will read the commands list
19:41:41 <Elon_Sat0shi> maybe it's the wrong architecture
19:41:53 <Elon_Sat0shi> do you know whether your computer is 64 bit or 32 bit?
19:42:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> did you say it uses windows xp? lots of older computers are 32 bit
19:42:07 <Bigboiimike> i believe 64
19:42:15 <Bigboiimike> i was joking about xp lol
19:42:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> lol
19:42:21 <Bigboiimike> i have windows 10
19:42:24 <Elon_Sat0shi> ah
19:42:33 <Elon_Sat0shi> ok so maybe not architecture
19:42:34 <Elon_Sat0shi> hmm
19:42:56 <Elon_Sat0shi> ooh i wonder if your antivirus is blocking it
19:43:12 <Bigboiimike> it was trying to and i told it to allow
19:43:15 <Elon_Sat0shi> many antiviruses recognize xmrig as malware because malware often uses xmrig
19:43:42 <Elon_Sat0shi> to steal your cpu to mine someone else's monero ofc
19:44:09 <Bigboiimike> now the .exe is gone
19:44:13 <Bigboiimike> just like before
19:44:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> that definitely sounds like an antivirus
19:44:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> windows defender maybe?
19:44:37 <Bigboiimike> i only have the defender on rn
19:44:57 <Bigboiimike> I will watch some video and see if it can walk me thru step by step
19:44:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> try turning defender off
19:45:06 <Elon_Sat0shi> (or whitelisting it in defender somehow)
19:45:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> or see if the video helps
19:46:28 * Elon_Sat0shi 's internet is so slow he can't even watch videos
19:46:38 <Bigboiimike> I will do that, I have to go to the market soon anyways so i will continue then, its okay to hangout here in the meantime/.
19:46:39 <Bigboiimike> ?
19:46:47 <Elon_Sat0shi> yeah you can hang out here
19:47:10 <Elon_Sat0shi> it's called idling in irc lingo lol
19:47:44 <Elon_Sat0shi> have a good day at the market!
19:48:01 <Bigboiimike> lol yeah, I remeber waaaaay back when i was a little peanut i was on irc nonstop. I was about 14 and i would eat breath and sleep on the pc
19:48:25 <Bigboiimike> I was helping a guy sell server space, and that's how i got all those bitcoin
19:48:41 <Bigboiimike> If i would have just kept at it i would be a millionaire right now
19:48:48 <Bigboiimike> are you guys into doge here?
19:49:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> not really
19:49:47 <Elon_Sat0shi> we were joking about it a while ago, how it's probably going to crash
19:49:53 <Elon_Sat0shi> i had some dogecoin once though
19:50:10 <Elon_Sat0shi> wow, where can i find a guy to help sell server space?
19:50:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> for monero, preferably?
19:50:49 <Elon_Sat0shi> maybe it's not too late
19:52:23 <Bigboiimike> I currently hold 10K doge i bought in at .06
19:52:37 <Bigboiimike> going to be a nice payday shortly
19:53:27 <Elon_Sat0shi> i did the calculation, that's 3 grand now wow
19:54:03 <Bigboiimike> I paid roughly 600 for it when i bought it
19:54:15 <Bigboiimike> i used some of the bitcoin profits
19:54:20 <Elon_Sat0shi> generally, i don't talk about how much crypto i have because it's like telling someone how much is in my bank account
19:54:26 <Bigboiimike> bitcoin went down a lot in the past few days
19:54:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> i can tell you i don't have three grand though
19:54:47 * Elon_Sat0shi is poor
19:55:17 <Bigboiimike> yeah it is talking about finacials, I have it on a totally different device than this one and i do not login to anything worth value on this machine
19:56:01 * Bigboiimike is idle be back soon
19:57:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> here's an issue about xmrig and windows defender i think: https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/issues/85
20:00:41 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's odd, https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig has links to https://xmrig.com/ which from what you said sounded like a scam
20:01:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> but said github repo has a link to a config wizard: https://xmrig.com/wizard
20:01:24 <nioc> xmrig.com is legit
20:01:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> ah okay
20:01:52 <Elon_Sat0shi> does it have some kind of unified xmrig thing that requires you to register?
20:02:07 <nioc> register?
20:02:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> Bigboiimike said something about needing to register
20:02:35 <nioc> never heard about anyone doing that
20:02:41 <Elon_Sat0shi> i wonder if they were at http://xmrig.com and had a mitm
20:02:58 <Elon_Sat0shi> yeah i don't see anything about registering here either
20:03:03 <Elon_Sat0shi> just a download button
20:03:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> which leads to a page with different tabs for different operating systems
20:03:24 <Elon_Sat0shi> and download links
20:03:36 <nioc> there is monero-pools for mining related stuff and much off topic
20:03:48 <nioc> and trolling
20:04:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh cool
20:04:18 <Elon_Sat0shi> you want Bigboiimike and I to continue our discussion about xmrig in there?
20:04:51 <nioc> you might get some input to your questions there
20:05:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> okay
20:05:09 <nioc> more knowledge there
20:05:25 * Elon_Sat0shi does a /join #monero-pools
20:05:26 <nioc> if people are not too bust BSing lol
20:05:33 <nioc> busy
20:11:18 <Elon_Sat0shi> narrator: they were too busy BSing
20:11:39 <Elon_Sat0shi> i can continue helping out with xmrig in here for now
20:14:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> or, they claim they help people out in between the memes
20:14:43 <asymptotically> yeah the people in there are crazy
20:20:00 <Elon_Sat0shi> so hopefully here's a list of pools sorted by how big they are so you can find the small pools if you want to https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
20:20:36 <Elon_Sat0shi> but if you're just starting out with xmrig you can just use the wizard's 6 or so default options for pools until you're familiar with configuring it
20:30:16 <moneromooo> https://townforge.net/cgi-bin/choose_pool will pick a random pool based off their rough hash rate.
20:30:35 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh sweet thanks
20:30:55 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's pretty awesome
20:31:00 <kxsl> think it's worth mining on with a 3900x or nah?
20:31:05 <moneromooo> (I have no idea whether they're any good though)
20:32:03 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's the point though maybe, i'm sure the mining pools that collectively use 90% or 50% or whatever of the hash are really great
20:32:32 <Elon_Sat0shi> how does one start a pool, anyways?
20:32:53 <moneromooo> By running some pool software and the daemon.
20:33:08 <kxsl> i've heard that's a lot work to operate and recruit people into
20:33:17 <Elon_Sat0shi> hmm
20:33:21 <moneromooo> It can be a pita yes.
20:33:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> i wish there were some software for p2p pooling
20:33:45 <kxsl> not worth it unless you already have a concept for a pool that doesn't already exist and some people interested in using it
20:33:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> like now i'm imagining a p2p-ish pooling system that doesn't need its own blockchain like that p2pool
20:34:23 <moneromooo> I have a concept that doens't exist (well, for monero). Merge mining :)
20:34:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> ooh how does that work?
20:34:41 <moneromooo> Same as namecoin.
20:34:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> it makes domain names?
20:35:06 <moneromooo> The secondary chain will accept normal blocjs and special blocks from the parent chain,
20:35:17 <moneromooo> No :D I meant the merge mining aspect.
20:35:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh
20:35:32 <Elon_Sat0shi> i didn't know about namecoin's merge mining
20:35:41 <moneromooo> First coin to merge mine I think.
20:36:37 <Elon_Sat0shi> why does it have to be a "concept for a pool that doesn't already exist"? why can't it just be like hundreds of other pools and have a system that distributes users among those pools?
20:37:09 <Elon_Sat0shi> can we make pooling at least as federated as mastodon?
20:37:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> or... idk, xmpp?
20:37:30 <Elon_Sat0shi> or IRC even
20:37:36 <moneromooo> It could. Just need to write it and people to use it. It's on my list for when I get time for it. Unless someone does it first.
20:38:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> how do i learn to be as dedicated as you?
20:38:03 <moneromooo> Some kind of GUI setup for xmrig which selects randonly.
20:38:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> i don't even know very well how to program
20:38:39 <Elon_Sat0shi> although at one point i was working on a bash script for updating monero (without a package manager)
20:38:48 <moneromooo> It's not learned really. And I'm not even in the most dedicated.
20:38:51 <Elon_Sat0shi> it even verifies the hashes.txt with the hash mentioned on the monero website
20:39:17 <moneromooo> Oh, I have a program for that, it checks sigs based on the repro build signatures.
20:39:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh cool, where is this program?
20:39:30 <moneromooo> But I think nobody uses it. Mostly because nobody knows about it :D
20:39:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> i'd like to look at the code
20:39:56 <moneromooo> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-update
20:40:18 <Elon_Sat0shi> curse my slow internet
20:40:21 <moneromooo> Story of monero. We do stuff, but we don't really scream about it from hte rooftops so nobody knows.
20:40:36 <Elon_Sat0shi> `until git clone --depth=1 https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-update; do sleep 1; done`
20:41:14 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's cool
20:41:30 <Elon_Sat0shi> are kovri and kastelo still being worked on?
20:41:41 <moneromooo> No and no AFAIK.
20:41:45 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh okay
20:43:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh wow the script's in cpp
20:44:03 <Elon_Sat0shi> and it's a little hard for a noob like me to read, but it looks like it has a qt gui
20:44:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> i wonder if it works on tails OS
20:44:57 <Elon_Sat0shi> has it been tested on tails OS?
20:45:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> maybe i can go to the library and test it there
20:45:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> the library blocks dating sites but it doesn't block tor
20:46:27 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh no not the irs
20:46:30 <moneromooo> No idea. I only tested it on Linux. Others tested on Windows and Mac.
20:46:37 <moneromooo> TAILS is Linux, so...
20:47:07 <IRS> Elon_Sat0shi: don't forget to pay your taxes on this years monero gains
20:47:10 <Elon_Sat0shi> TAILS is Linux, but it blocks all connections that don't go through Tor
20:47:21 <Elon_Sat0shi> IRS: I lost all my monero in a boating accident :(
20:47:51 * IRS adds Elon_Sat0shi to the special list
20:48:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> yay im special
20:48:56 <Elon_Sat0shi> moneromooo: can you test running your program using torsocks?
20:49:02 <Elon_Sat0shi> I would, but slow internet
20:49:27 <Elon_Sat0shi> that's how one would run the program in Tails OS
20:49:43 <Elon_Sat0shi> unless Tor usage were built into the program as an option
20:49:57 <Elon_Sat0shi> which means connecting to socks proxy localhost:9050
20:50:09 <Elon_Sat0shi> and also using tor for dns
20:50:21 <kxsl> you might want to consider whonix instead. doing what you're suggesting on tails is probably going to be a lot more work
20:50:38 <yanmaani> is monero packaged?
20:50:53 <moneromooo> I *think* there's a debian package.
20:50:54 <kxsl> i believe it is
20:51:00 <Elon_Sat0shi> no fedora package though
20:51:36 <Elon_Sat0shi> kxsl: how so? it's just downloading things over Tor. I wouldn't be surprised if it just works over torsocks
20:52:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> It's programs like Bisq or Openbazaar that want control access to Tor and other complicated stuff that won't run on Tails OS
20:52:06 <kxsl> installing additional packages and their dependencies is tricky
20:52:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> not really, you just enable persistence of installed packages and use sudo apt install
20:52:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> or don't enable persistence but you'll have to install the dependencies every time you boot
20:53:00 <kxsl> even doing that i ran into weird issues
20:53:15 <Elon_Sat0shi> Oh, okay
20:53:31 <kxsl> maybe it's improved in the years since I've last had to do it though
20:53:45 <Elon_Sat0shi> Perhaps. They update it every month I think
20:54:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> But it's very possible IMO that a Monero updater could just work in Tails. Install the dependencies with apt, compile, run with torsocks
20:55:26 <moneromooo> It seems to block at DNS queries. libunbound barfs.
20:55:34 <moneromooo> Should be fixable.
20:55:54 <Elon_Sat0shi> Alright
20:56:48 <Elon_Sat0shi> If it can run with torsocks even without tails, that's a pretty good test of whether it will run in tails
20:57:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> and then I can test it with Tails at the library, unless someone else wants to
21:30:59 <moneromooo> Oooh, it's working. I was just on a shit exit node for DNS.
21:31:04 <moneromooo> Elon_Sat0shi: ^
21:31:54 <moneromooo> Says 0.17.1.9 though. The TXT records weren't updated ?
21:33:21 <moneromooo> And the final download gets hit by 403 thanks to (presumably) cloudflare.
21:34:49 <volantaryism1[m]> Whats the command to increase the number of nodes my node can connect to? I have a 1GB/s internet so i could handle a lot
21:35:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> Can't Monero be downloaded from Github? And how are you getting the latest version fron DNS records?
21:36:09 <moneromooo> out_peers N and in_peers M.
21:36:48 <Elon_Sat0shi> Oh. It's some kind of P2P Monero updater?
21:36:58 <volantaryism1[m]> moneromooo: ty
21:37:00 <moneromooo> It could. I guess the binares could be put in various places, and it tries them until it finds a downloadable version.
21:37:12 <Elon_Sat0shi> My script was just getting the latest hashes.txt and stuff
21:37:26 <Elon_Sat0shi> I was actually building it on Tails
21:37:27 <moneromooo> How to get the latest version fron DNS records, well... how detailed to you want that ?
21:37:50 <moneromooo> You get the TXT records from the update hosts, parse, checks the DNSSEC, compare.
21:38:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> Ah.
21:38:43 <Elon_Sat0shi> Hmm. What to do about that cloudflare.
21:38:56 <moneromooo> selsta: I still haven't pushed the GUI support for it. I guess it's kinda moot now, given the GUI did its own thing ?
21:39:34 <selsta> GUI does not use gitian.sigs
21:39:59 <selsta> but yea we also have our own auto update thing
21:41:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> does the cli auto update at all?
21:42:23 <moneromooo> monerod can tell you when there's an update, also download it, also check it. It won't restart with the new versioh though. Your job.
21:42:31 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh cool
21:42:44 <moneromooo> See --check-updates
21:43:26 <Elon_Sat0shi> monero has the best cli
21:43:50 <Elon_Sat0shi> ooh how does the android version of monero cli work?
21:44:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> is it for termux?
22:10:23 <melona> moneromooo im trying to update mining for arm from https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/pull/2077
22:10:54 <melona> but this is for xmrig and im not sure which code to add
22:12:06 <melona> this update https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/pull/202 was added but is not working
22:12:14 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Any exchange I can use with visa?
22:18:09 <abcdefg_irssi> coinbase
22:18:15 <abcdefg_irssi> enjoy the fees though
22:18:30 <abcdefg_irssi> swap with ltc not btc
22:18:44 <apotheon> Where do you swap with LTC?
22:19:21 <apotheon> Are you talking about getting LTC from a centralized exchange, then swapping on a decentralized exchange?
22:20:01 <Elon_Sat0shi> is that possible? I was thinking abcdefg_irssi meant like an instant changer, like anything but changelly
22:20:15 <moneromooo> melona: define "not working" ?
22:20:24 <melona> no
22:20:40 <moneromooo> OK, fair enough. I'll go back to coding.
22:21:32 <apotheon> moneromooo: I like you.  Please keep coding.
22:21:40 <melona> the solution for xmrig will work for monero too but what function to add from all
22:22:25 <melona> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/pull/2077/commits/346892e17059888421ee782d3ecb6f263595b773   or
22:22:26 <melona> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/pull/2077/commits/e74573f81f1b38b4e606b52c39165737656c7f57
22:24:24 <abcdefg_irssi> yes Elon_sat0shi
22:24:34 <abcdefg_irssi> you buy btc/ltc from a centralized exchange
22:24:55 <abcdefg_irssi> then either use a coin swap or use tradeogre/probit or whatever market supports xmr trades
22:24:59 <abcdefg_irssi> to get xmr
22:25:07 <moneromooo> I don't know this code, or the bug. The first patch invalidated the insn cache. Sounds sensible after JIT code generation.
22:25:10 <abcdefg_irssi> thats how you get monero with a debit/credit card
22:25:48 <Elon_Sat0shi> XMRGuide has a list of instant exchangers for Monero: http://xmrguide42y34onq.onion/exchanges
22:25:57 <apotheon> I'm interested in the feasibility of getting a Visa gift card without KYC.
22:26:29 <floam412> basically impossible apotheon
22:26:29 <apotheon> Is that a thing in the US, or do you need a credit card or ID at the bank to get Visa gift cards?
22:26:38 <apotheon> floam412: ahh, too bad
22:26:57 <abcdefg_irssi> you can get visa gift cards in the US with no kyc
22:26:59 <abcdefg_irssi> pretty easily
22:27:00 <apotheon> The whole "buy something to swap" approach is really a thorn in my side.
22:27:08 <apotheon> abcdefg_irssi: Yeah?  How so?
22:27:12 <abcdefg_irssi> the supermarket lol
22:27:15 <floam412> you are going to come to the realization that you are/will/was tracked and that nothing you do will prevent it.  It's better to "hide in numbers"
22:27:20 <apotheon> Do they sell for paper-cash there?
22:27:24 <abcdefg_irssi> yes
22:27:26 <Elon_Sat0shi> yes
22:27:33 <apotheon> hmm
22:27:52 <floam412> so... do as the romans do and get sucked in the vortex of the Twitterbooks and the Linkedfaces
22:28:02 <abcdefg_irssi> no thx
22:28:13 <floam412> ok then, good luck
22:28:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> and the FacedIns and the Instatweets
22:28:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> or something like that
22:28:25 <floam412> yes ^
22:28:26 <floam412> exactly
22:29:07 <abcdefg_irssi> i have social media accounts i made in like high school that i don't use/post on and haven't in years
22:29:25 <apotheon> Everybody gets a little tracked somewhere, but separating the trackingses should be a reasonable goal in some cases.
22:29:34 <abcdefg_irssi> actively participating in social media networks is like deciding to slowly infest your brains with maggots
22:29:34 <apotheon> s/Everybody/"Everybody"/
22:29:38 <Elon_Sat0shi> Where do you buy stuff with Monero, that isn't drugs?
22:29:39 * captainbeast[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/TONteBNSLtdiMRdirMWtASTf/message.txt >
22:29:40 * captainbeast[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kfQHYLQrmLILAvovetEFwcbC/message.txt >
22:29:42 <melona> arm mining crash if u dont disable jit
22:29:42 * captainbeast[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/sbdlzpGojCsjtTJuGEeGsGdA/message.txt >
22:29:44 * captainbeast[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jwywmxtcjTYyfyBcCNstavVc/message.txt >
22:29:46 <Elon_Sat0shi> I wanna buy something legal with Monero
22:29:46 * captainbeast[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/LDHUkPGwvhrQXgPQknHARtRs/message.txt >
22:29:55 <abcdefg_irssi> you can buy servers/vpns with monero
22:30:07 <apotheon> Elon_Sat0shi: If you're in the EU, you can buy wild game jerky from Germany with Monero.
22:30:17 <abcdefg_irssi> i will be honest im pretty sure most transactions at this point are drugs but btc was the same way 10 years ago
22:30:20 <apotheon> delivery to your door
22:30:23 <floam412> I used to think I could be able to hide my identity online and took all these measures.. only to come to the realization that I don't use VPN/Tor all the time and no matter how many times I used Linux at home, there will come a time I will step in to a bank and realize there I am with 7 cameras pointed at me giving "the man" different angles of my face which I'm sure happens everywhere on every sing street corner
22:30:29 <Elon_Sat0shi> apotheon: lol, unfortunately I'm in the US and I also happen to be vegan
22:30:48 <DisBotXMR> <Jeremih> Could I just use kraken at that point?
22:30:51 <showcontroller> Monero is fast and fees are low. Privacy by default with optional view keys is nice
22:30:56 <abcdefg_irssi> yes jeremih
22:30:58 <apotheon> floam412: That's why I mentioned separating activities between tracked and untracked.
22:31:04 <Elon_Sat0shi> floam412: the trick is to have multiple identities
22:31:07 <showcontroller> You can buy domain names or hosting services with monero
22:31:14 <showcontroller> Great way to host a spicy blog
22:31:14 <abcdefg_irssi> that too
22:31:21 <volantaryism1[m]>  captainbeast: too long didnt read, btw i am never ever ever going to sell my fucking monero
22:31:29 <abcdefg_irssi> lots of anonymized internet stuff you can do with it
22:31:36 <volantaryism1[m]> Or pay taxes on it😉
22:31:42 <floam412> I did have that... this was my go to "private" identity... now you can probably find my face associated with it on the googlebox
22:31:47 <Elon_Sat0shi> > or pay taxes on it
22:31:53 <Elon_Sat0shi> IRS: we've got a live one
22:31:57 <floam412> cuz I didn't give a fuck after worrying about it for so long
22:32:01 <apotheon> Damn.  I lost that page full of things that accept Monero.
22:32:18 <floam412> and you know what? I like the fact that the gov. knows I'm not pleased about them spying on me
22:32:19 <showcontroller> You can buy porn with it
22:32:28 <floam412> ooo ya
22:32:32 <floam412> ^ now we talking
22:32:33 <floam412> boobies
22:32:37 <floam412> n' tacos
22:32:40 <volantaryism1[m]> Elon_Sat0shi: starve the irs
22:32:48 <showcontroller> Can't have your chick knowing where you send your coins
22:33:17 <apotheon> Oh, here it is: https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/
22:33:23 <apotheon> Elon_Sat0shi: Try that list.
22:33:27 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh thanks
22:34:02 <showcontroller> https://www.crypto-armory.com/ can buy ammo heh
22:34:11 <apotheon> "Web Hosting", "Services", and "Goods" seem like promising categories there.
22:34:33 <abcdefg_irssi> someone should make a P2P website where you put items on an amazon wishlist then deposit crypto into an escrow and people can come in and buy those items to you with a debit/cc which then releases the crypto in escrow to them
22:34:37 <abcdefg_irssi> to avoid kyc
22:34:38 <abcdefg_irssi> or has that already been done
22:34:46 <apotheon> The prices on crypt-armory seem a bit high, last I checked.
22:35:15 <showcontroller> All ammo prices are pretty high right now
22:35:22 <apotheon> With BCH, there's a thing like that with Amazon gift cards people don't want to know.
22:35:27 <apotheon> I forgot what it's called.
22:35:31 <showcontroller> Probably still a bit higher, but you're paying with monero
22:35:38 <apotheon> showcontroller: Yeah, but those seem a bit higher, as you mentioned.
22:36:07 <floam412> If anyone wants to use their crypto to buy cool collectibles you can always hit me up :)
22:36:24 <floam412> If I don't have it here, I'm sure I can find someone that does
22:36:35 <apotheon> What's a cool collectible?
22:36:42 <apotheon> NFTs?  (har)
22:37:32 <floam412> nah... something like my loaded xmr notes for example
22:37:35 <floam412> hold up
22:38:58 <floam412> https://twitter.com/spesmonerujo
22:40:22 <Elon_Sat0shi> wow, I just checked that spammer captainbeast[m]'s long Matrix messages and those long messages are huge walls of spam
22:40:53 <Elon_Sat0shi> If they'd used IRC directly the spam would've been more effective lmao
22:41:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> But instead the Matrix bridge shortened their spam
22:42:28 <Elon_Sat0shi> loaded XMR notes?
22:44:18 <floam412> yeah, what about em?
22:44:27 <Elon_Sat0shi> what is a loaded XMR note?
22:44:38 <floam412> priv key is underneath the hologram
22:44:45 <floam412> lemme link to you where you can see the finished product
22:45:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> okay so a paper monero
22:45:44 <floam412> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5307589.0
22:45:48 <floam412> sorta..
22:46:02 <floam412> this is made out of polymer, very much like a real paper fiat note
22:46:07 <floam412> but... cooler, cuz
22:46:09 <floam412> well... monero
22:47:13 <floam412> when you peel the hologram it "honey combs" and there fore you can't just place it back on the note to pretend the monero is still there
22:48:08 <floam412> just a geeky collectible thing I was into and wanted to make a xmr version of it (Smoothie, and luigii were the only other people who made xmr stuff before me I think)
22:49:57 <abcdefg_irssi> huh
22:50:00 <abcdefg_irssi> they look pretty cool
22:52:00 <floam412> thx :) ... I decided to halt note making though because I'm having a tough time just to time manage my regular every day life... if people here want to organize and take it over, that would be fantastic
22:52:09 <floam412> I got my money back out of it pretty much for the most part
22:52:45 <floam412> I just don't want to deal with the time deadlines and stuff any more and keeping on top of the note makers... you can see the "One hundred and fifthty" spelling error even though I told them about it before
22:52:49 <floam412> :shrugs:
22:56:03 * volantaryism1[m]  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WnlgprlEcFmlcQRwrcFSnXDY/message.txt >
23:00:12 <anon_82641[m]> It was done with bitcoin back in the day.
23:03:23 <anon_82641[m]> The ones I'm thinking of are super rare. They guy stopped making them, because it's technically illegal.
23:04:25 <volantaryism1[m]> Bitcoin fees are so high trading private keys doesnt even sound that unreasonable lol
23:04:43 <volantaryism1[m]> Also a good way to defeat chain analysis - cant trace off chain txs!
23:05:24 <moneromooo> Guess who'll be sending their new really really tainted coins to an exchange soon ?
23:05:45 <apotheon> Who?!!!
23:05:59 <moneromooo> Whoever buys private keys probably.
23:06:02 <apotheon> yeah
23:06:37 <apotheon> Just trade your new tainted BTC for XMR on Bisq, I guess.
23:06:46 <floam412> anon_82641[m] You are thinking of Mike Caldwell... maker of Casascius coins
23:06:57 <floam412> fun fact - he wasn't the first
23:07:32 <floam412> Bitbills was first, but that doesn't get glamorized because Mike was the first to get his coins being shown on news sites and tv
23:07:57 <Elon_Sat0shi> what's technically illegal about trading bitcoin private keys on paper?
23:08:24 <Elon_Sat0shi> seems like an odd thing to be illegal
23:08:35 <floam412> they wanted to make an example out of him... so he complied and he lived happily ever after whereever he is now.  Technically they viewed it as money laundering.
23:08:39 <moneromooo> I think that comment was about making coin-like objects.
23:08:48 <floam412> You gave him usd/btc and he funded the coins himself
23:08:59 <Elon_Sat0shi> ah
23:09:58 <floam412> whats superrr fascinating is watching the casascius coin tracker.  Any time someone peels a coin, the twitter bot gets pinged and shows how much and what coin it was
23:10:26 <floam412> during the bull run in 2020 lots of people were cashing out 25 btc coins like it was nothing
23:11:49 <abcdefg_irssi> https://casasciustracker.com
23:11:52 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh wow
23:13:02 <brito> when lambo?
23:13:07 <abcdefg_irssi> still a handful of 100 btc ones active lol
23:13:09 <abcdefg_irssi> not redeemed
23:13:29 <abcdefg_irssi> 6 million dollar coins
23:13:36 <abcdefg_irssi> i wonder if any of those are lost LOL
23:14:01 <floam412> yeah that ^ I know the guy who coded that up... very fascinating to go back and see when bulk peels happen and who it could be tied to
23:14:05 <Elon_Sat0shi> i'll pay $10 to have one
23:14:05 <volantaryism1[m]> Still some with 1000!
23:14:16 <floam412> yep
23:14:24 <floam412> like 2 I think?
23:14:30 <abcdefg_irssi> shit still some with 1000 yea
23:14:32 <abcdefg_irssi> thats crazy
23:14:41 <floam412> very...
23:15:08 <abcdefg_irssi> i mean
23:15:13 <abcdefg_irssi> they were minted in 2012
23:15:15 <floam412> what gets crazy is when you see people tweeting about it on twitter... I know for a fact Charlie of LTC has a bunch
23:15:54 <abcdefg_irssi> i wish i was like
23:15:57 <abcdefg_irssi> 4 years older
23:16:11 <abcdefg_irssi> I would've paid more attention and cared more about btc in 2009-2010
23:16:29 <abcdefg_irssi> I knew what it was back then but I was young and just wanted to play video games and smoke pot
23:17:00 <abcdefg_irssi> i lost a wallet from back then that had btc from a faucet on it lol
23:17:36 <volantaryism1[m]> I new someone who was mining bitcoin on a largish scale in 2012
23:18:06 <abcdefg_irssi> yeah i tried to set it up on my laptop in 2011 but ran into some issue and gave up
23:21:48 <Elon_Sat0shi> if it's any consolation, bitcoin would be worth slightly less if it wasn't for your noble contribution to its deflation
23:27:29 <abcdefg_irssi> well it would be but i barely hold btc anymore
23:51:37 <Jake[m]1> 🤔
23:54:09 <anon_82641[m]> Are there any analysis documents on adapting lightning to monero?
23:54:34 <volantaryism1[m]> anon_82641: no need, monero can handle txs on layer 1
23:56:38 <selsta> anon_82641[m]: https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1441
23:56:55 <selsta> https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/595
23:57:04 <selsta> afaik these are two different approaches