00:25:15 Holy crap. Reading more of the Google v. Oracle majority opinion by Breyer shows that actually a lot of previous expectations and assumptions about copyright adjudication are being subtly, but strikingly, overturned. 00:26:32 I'm beginning to sense a mortal blow to the copyright maximalists' "copyright is a property right" side, with Breyer running a lance through that motherfucker while wearing the favor of the "copyright is a pragmatic incentive for innovation" principles. 00:54:51 apotheon, is that why the 'copyright' privilege has been extended to 200 years after the death of the author or so? 00:55:57 That's part of it. 00:56:03 Mostly, it's money. 00:56:12 hehe 00:56:13 Money at that level is a proxy for political power. 00:56:34 . . . but the people with that money *love* to argue that copyright is property, because that serves them. 00:56:48 Mostly, they just want to be served, and will latch onto any argument that works for that purpose. 00:57:00 Copyright length always extends when Disney's copyright on Mickey Mouse is about to run out. 00:57:12 well the utilitarian argument that it's good for 'innovation' is even worse IMO 00:58:44 ...because utilitarianism boils down to "anything goes" 01:00:45 Plummybo[m]: Not always, actually. The earliest Mickey-related works have entered the public domain, because Disney was too busy sucking all the blood out of Marvel. 01:01:00 . . . but up to that point, yes, what you say was right. 01:01:11 I think Disney decided that Steamboat Willie doesn't matter any longer. 01:01:49 I also think that Disney decided that the overwhelmingly huge trademark situation around Mickey is plent for the sake of crushing people who get near its copyright. 01:02:39 as2333: The "incentive" argument at least doesn't result in the entire culture being frozen in concrete for all time, with creative people never being able to make anything new unless they're working in the coal mines of major copyright holders. 01:03:19 The incentive principle of copyright means that, if something doesn't incentivize innovation, it's not protected from being reused in some way. 01:04:01 The property principle means that just *looking* at someone a big corporation "owns" is dangerous if you are professionally creative. 01:04:12 s/at someone/at something/ 01:04:18 though perhaps "someone" applies a little, too 01:05:23 The dissenting opinion by Clarence Thomas is basically just a bowl of sour grapes and assertions that nobody should ever be able to make API-compatible things without paying so much money it becomes effectively impossible. 01:07:03 Clarence Thomas' opinion, if it represented the majority decision, would basically result in the death of a lot of open source software and probably the entirety of the industry of independent software development. 01:07:26 apotheon, so you think the utilitarian 'justification' may lead to less insane copyright laws? Well, could be. 01:07:52 Hell, it might even create an opportunity for someone who wrote a howto book years ago to sue a bunch of other authors and publishers for organizing a book in a usefully instructive way. 01:08:19 as2333: I think it'll lead to less insane court decisions, at least. I don't know if this will make a dent in Congress at all. 01:09:02 I guess the downside of this is that, if Clarence Thomas had won, darknet-based software development and distribution would almost *certainly* have to become *HUGE*. 01:09:50 Open source devs would have to move to pseudonymous dev with distribution via onion and garlic routing just to survive the legal fallout, probably. 01:10:36 That's a little bit of an upside, but it's kind of an "accelerate toward open war to overthrow the regime" upside -- and I'm uncomfortable describing dead bodies as an upside. 01:11:08 Copyright-as-inviolable-property-right would basically be a new war of prohibition. 01:11:42 Well . . . I'm getting too exhausted from reading all this stuff from the court decisions. 01:11:47 I should get off the computer for a bit. 01:19:27 would the play in 3 acts be banned 01:47:59 louipc: No. The fourth century use of the three act structure would no longer be protected by copyright. In fact, it would be substantially more than a thousand years later before the first example of meaningful copyright as we know it was even conceived. 02:09:43 are there any stats on how many attempted double spends have occured? As a thought experiment, I was wondering about monero being accepted at brick and mortar stores. Obviously, waiting 20+ minutes for a transaction is unacceptable, but 0 or 1 confirmations might be enough if the risk of double spending is equal to the likelihood of counterfeit 02:09:44 fiat 02:19:13 I don't know the answer to your question but the other thing to consider is the value of what is being sold 02:22:45 grsec sells a non distributable gpl licensed product just fine :D 02:22:46 from both the perspective the amount that the merchant could lose and the likelihood that someone would try 02:23:03 for mad bux 02:23:35 for a cup of coffee I don't think either side cares 02:24:24 depends. sometimes they must protect their brand 02:24:52 what about for groceries? Someone can spend more than 100USD at checkout 02:24:55 nioc: is your last name tib? 02:26:33 I was thinking for groceries, they could prepay how much they think they'll spend, and on checkout, they'll be refunded (like preauthorized gas pump via credit card), but it's complex with lots of potential problems 02:26:37 boogerlad: ultimately it's up to the merchant 02:27:24 what's wrong with just sending monero to pay for groceries? 02:27:25 boogerlad: yes I think that someone mentioned something similar quite a while ago 02:27:38 if it's a physical checkout line, you don't need escrow I wouldn't think 02:27:55 double spending is not easy 02:28:29 right now I have to pay with a debit card at the grocery store. Or cash. 02:29:31 when xmrto was in business they would send as soon as the tx hit the mempool for smaller amounts and $100 would definitely qualify 02:30:33 Now that xmrto is down, where do you go to exchange monero for bitcoin, or vice versa? 02:31:21 isn't double spending as easy as broadcasting transactions to nodes on opposite sides of the world? 02:31:57 if it was easy then nothing would work 02:32:13 *attempted double spending 02:32:33 double spending is one of the first problems addressed in 3blue1brown's video "But how does bitcoin work exactly?" 02:32:34 in reality, I'm sure timing the network is hard 02:33:12 transactions you make have a unique ID so if you wanted to double spend you'd have to make a new transaction with a different ID 02:33:36 which has to be signed again by the sender 02:40:18 so wouldn't double spending by "not easy" as in if you had the ability to do a double spend attack you might as well just empty the victim's address/account too? 02:51:24 boogerlad, yes you can attempt to double spend as much as you want. The whole thing is designed to prevent double spends =P 02:55:04 correct me if I'm wrong: "The whole thing is designed to prevent double spends" AFTER several confirmations right? 03:12:29 boogerlad, yes. 03:14:01 so for high value transactions, how can monero replace cash? Right now, you'd need to wait for however many confirmations the recipient feels is necessary 03:14:20 assuming an in person situation 03:19:53 boogerlad, yes, the higher the value, the more confirmations you should wait for. I'm not sure that's the biggest obstacle for cryptocurrencies to replace cash tho. (I don't think cash should be replaced anyway) 03:21:35 yes, the more that I think about it the more it makes sense for monero to be for general online transactions (it's totally fine to wait for confirmations since it takes time to prepare an item to ship) 03:21:45 boogerlad, notice that in order to double spend you have to be a miner and to re-write many blocks you have to be a big miner. 03:25:35 big miner as in > 50%? 03:26:07 of the network hashrate 03:36:20 I don't know the exact relationship between % of hashrate and the number of blocks you can re-write. If you had say 10% you might be able to reverse a transaction after say 5 blocks. Something like that. But the thing is, if you're selling something to a potential scammer, the scammer has to be a miner, or somehow contract with a miner. 03:38:38 (which is not something a random is scammer is likely to do IMO) 03:38:39 I see what you're saying. In that case, the scammer wouldn't bother trying to double spend 100-1000USD since the costs might not be worth it? 03:39:07 right 03:39:41 They would want to try to double spend a much higher value, but then since it's a higher value the recipient would naturally want to wait for the standard 10 confirmations 03:39:52 yeah 03:39:54 thanks as2333, that puts my mind at ease 03:40:22 0-conf is fine for brick and mortar stores :) 03:40:23 and to reverse big transactions with many confirmations requires a 'rogue' miner. 03:42:26 a rogue miner can in theory exist but attacking the network is likely to go against his own interests. 03:43:31 then, I'm interested to hear your thoughts on why "(I don't think cash should be replaced anyway)" 03:44:40 (though in the case of monero where commodity hardware is used for mining, I gues it might be possible) 03:44:48 guess* 03:49:43 boogerlad, well, digital systems are rather tricky when it comes to tracking/surveillance. Physical cash has less problems in that area (though of course curreny physical cash is controlled by the govt, which is pretty bad) 05:00:26 For a community that prides itself on manipulating people, you can't manage a single guy that spends most of his time in his underpants :D 06:12:09 Been in the rabbit hole for a while now but I’m curious as to what made you choice element over any other messenger 07:06:08 monerod logs say "Verification failure". Should I be worried? What is it about and why did it happen? 08:18:06 Does this mean that there's an invalid block/transaction in the blockchain now? I suppose not, but that's what it sounds like. 08:45:12 what up Norkle 08:46:12 .tip Norkle $0.05 08:46:13 Bill48105 tipped 0.0001864 XMR (≈$0.05) to norkle [7d1690ed] 08:46:19 hey Bill48105! 08:46:40 WOH! 08:46:49 thank you Bill48105. 08:47:19 so generous and kind 08:47:24 Wallet taking over the world eh 08:47:29 tytytytyty 08:47:36 sure. 09:25:10 .balance 09:25:30 .bal 11:02:38 Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum! 11:02:38 Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle. 11:46:59 imagine being british 11:50:45 dont need to. what did we do now? 11:55:14 being british 11:55:32 https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/13/139955/5301298-5982151061-Okay-.jpg 11:56:23 wish matrix could embed images 11:56:39 oi mate, got a loicense for that (beeing british)? 11:56:42 im glad hexchat doesnt 12:10:02 azy: you guys still need loicence to leave your country? 12:13:50 funnily enough we're currently not allowed 12:14:27 its somewhat possible to just swim to france though 12:19:45 you'll need a license to stay in other countries tho. just ask the brits living in Spain about that 12:21:09 It's just what passports are. You need to request permission from your govt and the other in order to move around. The default is DENIED. 12:21:37 Currently, it's just that the default is seldom overridden :) 12:21:44 laws are for good bois 12:21:54 bad bois do whatever they please, and get away with it 12:23:07 guess i'm a bad boy 12:25:43 illegal immigration seems to be very popular, and tolerated, especially in europe 12:30:02 ive kinda tickled myself with the bad boi analogy. i actually genuinely believe that. i dont think it pays to be a good boi at all, you'll just get trampled on 12:32:49 brb swimming to france illegally 12:35:53 azy: probably true in most of modern society, but that's because criminals are controlling govt and writing the rules 12:38:12 there's also massive limitations on what police forces can actually achieve, and so so so many people doing so many illegal things. it's herding cats 12:39:34 I wish they wouldn't waste *my* money on spying on me and bothering pot smokers. That might free a lot of resources to actually do some police work. 12:39:51 OK, that's a bit flippant but... ffs, it pisses me off sometimes. 12:41:01 even that. i saw a guy on tv with a house full of plants, stealing electricity, and he gets a caution 12:42:59 in that game, to get caught i think you need to get really really unlucky, do something really dumb, or have someone snitch on you 12:43:14 it seems incredibly hard to enforce laws, we should have far less of them 12:46:01 who governs least, governs best 12:46:36 most laws are just nitpicky special cases anyway 12:46:56 should just have a few, like don't harm others, don't deal dishonestly with others. done. 12:56:34 I don't remember getting a stamp of approval from my govt whenever I try to visit other countries. 12:57:00 EU ? 12:57:26 Those (most) have an agreement so it doesn't apply there. 12:57:28 Not an explicit stamp, anyways. 12:57:52 Oh, the fact it might not be checked doens't mean you're supposed to ask. 12:58:20 Like, you might not be searched when you leave the supermarket, doesn't mean you're allowed to steal :) 12:59:48 Also wear ten masks 13:00:00 moneromooo: well the with the uk you get to be searched for thieving everytime you leave the supermarket 13:00:03 If the analogy permits 13:01:03 Well you better get used to requesting them stamps 13:01:34 Communism is back! 13:02:00 It never went away, merely changed its aesthetics 13:02:25 * moneromooo steps back carefully 13:02:40 Hmmm... Long walk through the institutions.. 13:12:21 In RPC-Pay, does the client that generates the hash know whether that hash is valid for a new block or not? That is, could the client filter out all hashes that can be used to mine a new block and send only the other worthless hashes? 13:14:12 Yes, yes. 13:16:05 Ok! Does the monerod server need to run in mining mode for it to utilize these hashes? Or can it not mine, but just when someone sends a valid hash, then use that. But otherwise, not mining. 13:16:28 No. 13:17:15 And yes, if the second sentence was also a question. 13:17:24 "No" = "doesn't need to mine"? 13:17:34 Yes. 13:17:39 Yeah, my message was very unclear.. 14:35:15 how long does an XMR swap take usually? 14:36:03 you mean an atomic swap? 14:36:47 what's an atomic swap? 14:38:25 how are you swapping monero 14:38:56 Monero doesn't need sweeping, it's naturally untainted. 14:39:21 Alternatively, Monero can't be sweeped, it's naturally tainted... 14:39:43 using an online swap service 14:39:50 it's actually LTC to XMR 14:40:12 you're sure you didn't get scammed? 14:40:18 Ah, an exchange. It then depends on both chains finding blocks really. And whether each of them has txpool backllog. 14:40:47 then it's a question for the service, not monero 14:40:51 Monero's unlikely to have serious backlog, and 2 minutes per block. 14:43:26 what would be the block time for LTC 14:45:56 Pretty sure it's less than 10 minutes. 14:46:18 Of course, these are averages/targets for both monero and litecoin. You could get unlucky. 14:46:57 Is there a recommended swap service that you can vouch for 14:49:06 LTC block time is 2 minutes 14:52:42 What is a recommended way to do LTC to XMR swaps 14:53:34 Someone (can't recall who) posted this list a few days ago: https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XCkPRAVKhSmVWfzhakFcWkru/message.txt 14:53:58 Now vouching is another matter. 15:16:44 .faucet 15:16:44 somethingUniqueR: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 15:17:54 .faucet 15:17:58 .faucet 15:17:58 somethingUniqueR: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 15:19:56 .faucet 15:19:56 rupee[m]: Zero less than 9? 15:20:04 yes 15:20:04 rupee[m]: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. 15:20:19 dammit. i knew that one. I've seen it before. 15:20:37 Oh, I bet it wanted "9" 15:20:37 It's numbers. 1 is true. Then again, 2-9 are also true. 15:21:11 .faucet 15:21:12 rupee[m]: 10000000 times 3 divided by 7 multiplied by 0 15:21:23 nice one 15:21:23 rupee[m]: Oops you took too long. 15:21:23 0 15:21:38 .faucet 15:21:38 somethingUniqueS: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 15:21:44 .calc 10000000 * 3 / 7 * 0 15:21:44 rupee[m]: 0 15:22:03 this is hard 15:22:05 .faucet 15:22:05 rupee[m]: 1 more than six 15:22:16 rupee[m]: Oops you took too long. 15:22:23 7 15:22:32 wth. I can't type that fast. 15:22:37 screw it 15:22:38 .soak $1 15:22:38 rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00376569 XMR? y/n (10s) 15:22:49 Cancelled Soak 15:22:50 y 15:23:00 :( 15:23:17 .soak $1 y 15:23:17 rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00376569 XMR? y/n (10s) 15:23:20 y 15:23:20 rupee[m] soaked 0.00025 XMR (0.00376569 Total) upon 15 users @ 955 minutes charolastra louipc moneromooo bxbapgjanfd stev3 hyc Elon_Satoshi NickvanSaberhagn Bill48105 norkle nioc Wallet boogerlad chaper fdidmwkk @bonuspot (0.00001569 scraps) [9efc171e] 15:23:37 .help dice 15:23:38 moneromooo: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs: https://bill48105.github.io/wallet/ | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help to see others | .help for more details. 15:23:47 oh well 15:35:12 .balance 15:35:12 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD) 15:35:18 .faucet 15:35:18 somethingUniqueR: Of 3 & 0, which is 3 15:35:24 3 15:35:24 somethingUniqueR: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000041 XMR to somethingUniqueR [d989d790] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01236468 15:36:03 .balance 15:36:04 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000054 XMR (≈0 USD) 15:48:35 .balance 15:48:36 nioc: • Your balance is: 0.01023936 XMR (≈2.75 USD) 15:48:51 w0w 16:01:18 .balance 16:01:44 Damn, you both rich rich 16:10:49 .balance 16:10:50 azy: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 16:10:50 azy: • Your balance is: 0.00025 XMR (≈0.07 USD) 16:11:09 .tip moneromooo 0.00025 16:11:09 azy tipped 0.00025 XMR (≈$0.07) to moneromooo [5fd72843] 16:13:18 ty 16:13:29 .tip gingeropolous 0.00024 16:13:30 moneromooo tipped 0.00024 XMR (≈$0.06) to Gingeropolous [953f6b1a] 16:13:45 Let's play the pass it around till it reaches 0 ^_^ 16:26:11 .tip nioc 0.00023 16:26:11 gingeropolous tipped 0.00023 XMR (≈$0.06) to nioc [eb2ede3c] 16:26:12 .balance 16:26:12 NickvanSaberhagn: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 16:26:12 NickvanSaberhagn: • Your balance is: 0.00025 XMR (≈0.07 USD) 16:26:30 .tip moneromooo 0.00025 16:26:30 NickvanSaberhagn tipped 0.00025 XMR (≈$0.07) to moneromooo [bf0ea4fb] 16:28:23 .balance 16:28:33 gingeropolous: • Your balance is: 0.002941 XMR (≈0.8 USD) 16:30:16 .tip NickvanSaberhagn 0.00022 16:30:17 nioc tipped 0.00022 XMR (≈$0.06) to NickvanSaberhagn [4371af81] 16:30:38 Am I doing this correctly? 16:31:14 Just woke up from a nap 16:31:27 .00021 is next? 16:54:49 .balance 16:54:49 donkeydonkey[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 16:54:49 donkeydonkey[m]: • Your balance is: 0.0005 XMR (≈0.14 USD) 16:55:44 .soak 0.0001 16:55:44 Total was <= 0. Minimum: 0.00015 XMR. (Min per user met?) 16:56:04 .soak 0.00015 16:56:05 donkeydonkey[m] soaked 0.00001 XMR (0.00015 Total) upon 15 users @ 871 minutes Bill48105 hyc stev3 fdidmwkk moneromooo rupee[m] nioc Elon_Satoshi norkle boogerlad bxbapgjanfd charolastra hv-bridge louipc Wallet [3480d715] 16:56:16 nice 16:56:20 .balance 16:56:20 yeswepump: • Your balance is: 0.0000077 XMR (≈0 USD) 16:59:43 .balance 16:59:44 hyc: • Your balance is: 0.001061 XMR (≈0.29 USD) 16:59:48 woohoo 17:00:03 chile09: i posted that list originally and since have had feedback that https://xmr.is/ works great and actual people respond to support questions. 17:15:21 Why lie about something that can be easily disproven? monerologs.net/monero/20201207#c165563 - github.com/fireice-uk/cryptonote-speedup-demo/blob/master/ecops64/ecops64-c.c#L4 Why steal from your community and then laugh at them? reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok Reason is the same - to laugh at morons that are gullible enough to believe you and repeat your lies. 17:32:13 .balance 17:32:14 ra33it0[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 17:46:49 Is there an app that can perform atomic swaps between locally held wallets 18:07:33 Hey, I need some help, a transaction I made over 16 minutes ago isn't in the mempool 18:07:36 What should I do? 18:07:46 Wait, it says "failed" now? 18:08:51 BTW, I need to get a place to buy monero or BTC in small amounts fast, any ideas? 18:08:53 That's odd. "Failed" implies it's neither in the txpool nor the chain. 16 minutes is way too early to have been dropped from the txpool with a timeout. 18:09:19 So it implies the tx is invalid. But if it were, your daemon would have rejected it outright... 18:09:48 Binance, kraken are good places to buy monero with bitcoin. 18:09:50 Using a ledger to sign the transactions 18:10:02 Yeah, im using gemini 18:10:08 But its S L O W 18:10:17 Let me resend the XMR... 18:10:19 raccoondude: which wallet are you using? 18:10:20 Can you this in monerod: print_tx TXID (and replace TXID with the actual txid). 18:10:40 Ok resending it worked (371412cf0a5161aed12112427f5982e80dbfda47cc297f9295e02b8d7a4066da) 18:10:48 Im using monero gui 18:11:02 wallet, on getmonero 18:11:09 the one that supports ledger 18:11:40 Sadly I can't find many that do, I might switch my wallet to one thats just a seed instead of my physical wallet 18:17:22 How can I join the pool 18:17:40 Like a mining pool? 18:20:52 You point a miner to it, with your monero address as username. 18:21:31 Then you wait while it mines. You'll get monero to that address after your share of the spoils reaches the payour threhold (which varies per pool). 18:21:41 xmrig is the go to choice. 18:25:11 rupee[m]: I suspect the "Zero less than 9?" is Bill48105's way of saying "Of Zero and 9, which is smaller? Render your answer in the form of a single digit." because grammar doesn't matter at all. 18:26:02 rupee[m]: The rules of this game seem to be "the answer will be in the question unless it's an arithmetic operation, and it will always be a single digit", so if the question makes absolutely zero sense you should just pick a digit to represent one of the things mentioned. 18:29:00 I remember a cultural knowledge thing about... pigs IIRC. 18:48:38 https://signal.org/blog/help-us-test-payments-in-signal/ 18:48:41 WTF 18:48:50 why MOB and not XMR? 18:49:04 Then I should've typed "Zero" instead of 0, maybe? 18:49:24 Because monero is decentralized and permissionless 18:49:37 yep 18:50:30 another shitcoin on cryptonote, with Ring Signature and RingCT. Pff... 18:50:35 ridicolous 18:50:44 rupee[m]: Oh, did you answer 0? 18:50:45 hmm 18:50:52 . . . and it was rejected? 18:50:56 damn it 18:51:01 Grammar is actually important. 18:51:11 hurricane[m]: afaik signal creator also created mobilecoin 18:51:15 hurricane[m]: What's MOB? 18:51:24 ah, no I typed "yes" 18:51:30 MOB? One new shitcoin 18:51:31 rupee[m]: I see. 18:51:41 hurricane[m]: What's the supposed value proposition? 18:51:50 I don't think I've ever heard of it. Is MOB short for something? 18:51:57 Mafia. 18:52:02 https://community.mobilecoin.foundation/t/what-is-mob-market-cap/657 18:52:02 idk 18:52:05 (like how XMR is stock-ticker-style abbreviation for Monero) 18:52:13 mobile 18:52:14 hmm 18:52:16 'kay 18:52:27 MOBile shitcoin 18:53:02 it uses stellar consensus protocol combined with ringct, also you have to use an intel CPU to run a node 18:53:04 So . . . what's the actual problem with it? 18:53:14 btw, i don't think the sec will let them, like they did with telegram 18:53:18 Oh, the Intel thing seems weird. 18:53:24 It gives intel the right to mint AFAICT. 18:53:35 That seems like an issue. 18:53:40 Is that the main problem? 18:53:49 also they had an undisclosed premine 18:53:53 weird 18:54:00 no, it was disclosed 18:54:01 I'm not sure, mind. It does give intel some special power though. 18:54:02 250 mm coins 18:54:11 they just don't disclose who gets them 18:54:21 right I meant undisclosed is who they are distributed 18:55:04 and if they ever do disclose who got what there won't be anyway to prove they're not lying 18:55:08 that wasn't a proper english sentence :D whatever 18:55:33 Don't worry, we also fuck up our grammar. 18:55:59 moneromooo actually 0 less than 9 is 9-0 or 9 :) 18:56:05 Oh, undisclosed recipients . . . slightly less weird. 18:56:11 Ah. 18:56:13 still a little weird, in a way 18:56:39 they're designed to be weird & ambiguous they're text based captchas 18:56:41 weird in a big way. 100% of monero was/is distributed to miners 18:57:06 Bill48105: Oh, that wasn't as ungrammatical as I thought, in that case. It was just ambiguous as to whether it was awkward grammar or incorrect grammar. Sorry. 18:57:16 kek 18:57:54 no point in over-analyzing them. they're not meant to be grammar school pop quiz questions 18:58:14 https://github.com/mobilecoinfoundation/mobilecoin/blob/master/TERMS-OF-USE.md 18:58:23 i mean guess it's cool they make people think a little but they're supposed to be fun not cause stress 18:58:28 > Purchasers of MobileCoins may not transact, transfers, or trade MobileCoins in the United States or with U.S. Persons or entities, or persons or entities present in the United States. 18:58:31 that's also weird 18:59:41 Yeah, it's ungrammatical. 18:59:58 Safeguard against SEC/IRS 19:03:31 Bill48105: It's not over-analysis if one doesn't yet know how to even answer it. 19:03:50 one 9 with a 7 boat 19:03:51 lol if you say so 19:04:18 6? 19:04:21 in school we were taught x less than 9. maybe you werent 19:04:23 What's the answer? 19:04:31 42 19:04:34 yours is literally gibberish 19:04:43 In school, I learned "What number is x less than 9?" 19:05:07 Bill48105: So was the subject of debate about grammar in another channel. 19:05:11 you're being pedantic 19:05:44 Question for the crowd, I'm following the directions for running monero on QubesOS at https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/cli_wallet_daemon_isolation_qubes_whonix.html however the monero-wall-cli is unable to connect to monerod in the other domain. I'm not sure if I should ask here or over in #qubes, but i'm trying to figure out what might be wrong. 19:06:36 I guess one question for this channel would be, does monerod need to be fully synced before a wallet can make a connection to it? 19:07:04 probably at least very-nearly-synchronized 19:07:04 No, however not all RPC will work. 19:07:16 getinfo will work, for example. 19:07:19 But.... /me thinks 19:07:33 Well, memory fails, but at least one will return "BUSY". 19:08:00 Also, having monerod sync while the wallet tries to sync off monerod kills performance. You don't want that. 19:08:40 Ah, that's interesting. 19:17:34 .faucet 19:17:35 nioc: 3 more than six 19:17:37 42 19:17:38 nioc: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. 19:17:55 6+3=9 19:18:04 .faucet 19:18:07 moneromooo: How many wolves in Three Little Pigs 19:18:09 1 19:18:09 I think nioc enjoys testing incorrect answers. 19:18:12 lol 19:18:12 moneromooo: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. 19:18:14 see ? 19:18:19 Cultural thing 19:18:32 i had someone bitch at me for 2 hours that it's wolfs not wolves 19:18:38 Though that one I know. It wasn't the one I was thinking about... 19:18:43 Bill48105: That person is wrong. 19:19:08 wolves 19:19:09 .faucet 19:19:10 moneromooo: Zero less than 8? 19:19:13