01:31:00 <fluffydonkey[m]> How can I test that my node is fully synced?
01:32:07 <moneromooo> status, print_block N-1 (N being your height), check the timestamp is more or less current.
01:32:46 <moneromooo> Usually if you're synced your height will be the same as the majority of your peers (sync_info), but if you're stuck wiht asshole nodes only, it might not be the case.
01:33:32 <fluffydonkey[m]> Sorry, I'm new to setting up the daemon. Where do I check that?
01:34:13 <moneromooo> It prints "Height: N/M".
01:34:20 <moneromooo> N is your current height.
01:34:36 <fluffydonkey[m]> ahh I see. I need to look for my log file
01:35:05 <moneromooo> ~/.bitmonero if not on windows.
01:42:56 <fluffydonkey[m]> Thanks, got it
02:03:18 <fatcat[m]> Is it okay to sweep all XMR to a subaddress on my current wallet and restore the wallet from a recent block height?
02:46:44 <DisBotXMR> <Young Savage> why is it crashingg
02:53:24 <Beags[m]> the whales are cashing in on their p&d
03:00:10 <rottenwheel> New roundtable episode of El Monero, a Spanish Monero podcast - https://anchor.fm/elmonero/episodes/10-Mesa-Redonda-II-eqdrmd
03:15:01 <nioc> price talk = #monero-markets
03:15:05 <nioc> please
03:21:27 <mycorrhizae[m]> Hey curious to know what you guys think about protocols for RSR and HXV?
03:22:05 <mycorrhizae[m]> I thought it was stupid at first but I'm open to the idea that I don't understand something valuable
03:22:05 <Quotes> But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
08:19:53 <monero_noob> Uh hi, I am wondering if this article about subadresses (https://web.getmonero.org/2019/10/18/subaddress-janus.html) also applies to accounts?
08:23:08 <monero_noob> Not very active here huh.
08:23:36 <monero_noob> Well I don't have a bouncer so don't worry about answering here.
08:30:22 <DisBotXMR> <Rico> Why are so many people here bots
08:37:14 <sech1> from our point of view, you're the bot :D
08:37:33 <sech1> Is it the first time you see IRC<->Discord bridge?
10:14:34 <Wharrgarbl[m]> The bot is self conscious, nuke it!
10:15:41 <Wharrgarbl[m]> (We are bots since we are using Matrix instead of Discord, Matrix is more privacy focused...and yeah it's Monero so we're all Privacy autists here)
10:26:09 <horsepatat> that monerod sometimes annoys me to no avail
10:26:16 <horsepatat> "Your node is 8 blocks (16.0 minutes) behind"
10:26:19 <horsepatat> and is stuck like this forever
10:26:25 <horsepatat> restarted 3 times already
10:26:55 <horsepatat> and yes it's on SSD dont ask.
10:33:56 <horsepatat> ok, so it got unstuck, it seems
10:34:11 <horsepatat> still between doing transfer and typing in password
10:34:26 <horsepatat> and until prompt for send funds there is quite a bit of time
10:46:39 <horsepatat> and now it sent.
10:46:50 <horsepatat> so took 10 min between asking for pass and actually sending.
11:33:39 <selsta> horsepatat: can you try --enable-dns-blocklist and check if you still get stuck behind sometimes?
11:41:42 <horsepatat> ok, will do
12:55:37 <fluffydonkey[m]> Why aren't people more excited about the COMIT XMR-BTC atomic swap system? It seems like people on /r/monero only talk about Farcaster. The end result is the same, right?
13:07:46 <Lyza> one of them is in house
13:11:47 <Inge-> COMIT and thorchain initiatives are great
13:11:51 <Inge-> lets go!
13:18:28 <moneromooo> And the in house always wins ?
13:22:06 <sethsimmons> <fluffydonkey[m] "Why aren't people more excited a"> Yeah I think just that Farcaster is "local" community members so it's better understood and more trusted.
13:22:20 <sethsimmons> COMIT is doing good work as well though, but it's more up to them to win community support
13:22:31 <sethsimmons> But their Reddit posts have been well liked as well
13:24:49 <Lyza> obvs not but it explains why one is more discussed / known & produces more excitement, which was the question. the community funded farcaster so i think it's seen as "our horse", so to speak. but yeah, there's nothing negative about COMIT afaik
13:25:24 <sech1> The more the better
13:38:18 <moneromooo> I'm thinking of adding Q&As for my game/fork on monero.stackexchange.com, since it is used for other cryptonotes from time to time. I don't want to step on people's toes though, so are there a few people against the idea ?
13:47:43 <bvkirjsa[m]> test
13:48:22 <bvkirjsa[m]> test
13:50:24 <sech1> test failed
17:25:08 <Inge-> ahaha. Monero shills are getting pretty active these days https://twitter.com/matt_odell/status/1361286115475542016?s=19
17:29:23 <sethsimmons> Good
17:29:29 <sethsimmons> Idiotic ignoring of Monero because NgU
17:29:36 <sethsimmons> He knows and uses Monero
17:30:00 <sethsimmons> But won't talk about it in public because Bitcoin is a cult and he'll be dismissex
17:30:11 <sethsimmons> * But won't talk about it in public because Bitcoin is a cult and he'll be dismissed
17:30:34 <sethsimmons> He chooses to put his followers at risk despite numerous convos with him
17:30:38 <sethsimmons> Sad
17:31:26 <sethsimmons> Privacy activist that ignores far superior tech because "network effects" and "muh number go up"
17:31:38 <sethsimmons> Somewhat of a pet peeve for me 🙃
17:33:13 <Inge-> well, he doesnt block Moneroans
17:33:41 <sethsimmons> No he doesn't
17:33:47 <sethsimmons> And we've had good convos
17:33:50 <sethsimmons> Could be worse
17:33:54 <sethsimmons> Just frustrating
17:37:21 <Inge-> I'm happy to see an increase in both privacy chatter in general and monero-chatter specifically, on twitter lately
17:38:50 <mechanic41turk[m> Yep.
17:41:45 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "I'm happy to see an increase in "> Absolutely, all helpful! And glad Matt is willing to say what many of the most popular Bitcoiners won't -- Bitcoin privacy is not sufficient without lots of extra steps.
17:43:56 <mechanic41turk[m> Yeah
17:44:15 <Inge-> we need a permanent site with "how to stsy orivate with btc" and all the steps and caveats, and cost. and how to do it in Monero in like 1 step 0.2 cents
17:46:13 <mechanic41turk[m> Hasn't Seth published a blog post doing exactly that?
17:54:44 <nioc> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoNazPsXEAIe7VQ?format=jpg&name=small
17:57:27 <DisBotXMR> <N0V3R0N> ahah
17:57:37 <sethsimmons> <mechanic41turk[m "Hasn't Seth published a blog pos"> https://sethsimmons.me/posts/comparing-private-spends/
17:57:39 <sethsimmons> Loosely
17:57:41 <DisBotXMR> <N0V3R0N> optional privacy isn't privacy
17:57:47 <sethsimmons> But I haven't detailed the steps necessary.
17:57:52 <sethsimmons> Would be a good addition.
18:22:32 <DisBotXMR> <Astrololo> If it’s not monero is don’t want it
18:24:33 <mechanic41turk[m> what about WOWnero?
18:25:48 <rottenwheel> <mechanic41turk[m] "what about WOWnero?"> Get in here turk. #wownero:matrix.org
18:53:34 <raecarruth> kek, look at rottenwheel recruiting :)
20:40:36 <binaryFate> Verge apparently got 51% attacked and the reorg is going as far as last July https://twitter.com/khannib/status/1361355699209568258
20:44:30 <sethsimmons> Pure insanity
20:44:36 <charolastra> F
20:44:59 <sethsimmons> Arguably the best privacy they've ever had
20:45:11 <sethsimmons> 560k+ blocks of transactions are more private than Monero
20:45:52 <Joeri[m]> would it be possible to put a maximum amount of monero you receive from an address?
20:46:40 <Joeri[m]> I am looking at ways to implement anonymous donations for a political party in the Netherlands, we legally cannot accept anonymous donations of more than €1000,- so I am looking for ways to limit anonymous donations
20:47:16 <Joeri[m]> Currently I know you can see amounts of money coming in, but from what I understand doing this would make it possible to receive several donations of just under this limit after another
20:47:16 <binaryFate> Joeri[m]: no, you can't limit what any random person might decide to send you.
20:48:08 <lza_menace> you could code a service to batch out payments in whatever increment...but they would have to use that
20:48:21 <charolastra> can't they just share their view key?
20:48:56 <Joeri[m]> yeah, definitely, we will share the view key on our website
20:49:21 <Joeri[m]> everybody should be able to see how much money is donated to our monero address, we link to our bitcoin wallet on the website
20:49:52 <charolastra> does a view key show incoming and outgoing? and can you send back to the donator if it's above 1k?
20:50:05 <Joeri[m]> monero does not reveal the sender normally right?
20:50:56 <binaryFate> no, even your receiving view key does not reveal the sender
20:51:39 <Joeri[m]> Dutch legislation forbids political parties from receiving anonymous donations of €1000,- or more. from what I understand of the Monero technology it's currently fundamentally impossible to receive donations while guaranteeing this does not happen
20:51:52 <binaryFate> Just make super clear on your website that people have to donate below X EURO otherwise you are legally obliged to refuse the donation. Make them tick a box etc before showing Monero address.
20:52:05 <binaryFate> That's what I've seen in US for political candidates accepting XMR
20:52:31 <binaryFate> What you do in the super unlikely event that you receive a >1000€ donation is up to you. You can send it the Monero general fund :)
20:52:47 <Joeri[m]> that's a good suggestion binaryFate, I'll be sure to suggest that!
20:53:25 <charolastra> *cough*or to me*cough*
20:53:37 <Joeri[m]> but if we refuse donations over €1000,- and donate them to the monero fund, would it be possible for maleficent donators to simply donate €990 many times?
20:53:57 <charolastra> of course
20:54:12 <binaryFate> In theory yes, but it's the same regardless of wether they use XMR or fiat in that case no?
20:54:25 <moneromoon[m]> its also impossible to track donations in cash same as Monero
20:54:32 <moneromoon[m]> the question is
20:54:41 <Joeri[m]> very true binaryFate , the only difference is that we can see the address with fiat bank transactions
20:54:44 <moneromoon[m]> is anyone going to ask questions if he shows up with a massive bag of cash?
20:54:48 <moneromoon[m]> or a massive bag of monero...
20:54:55 <Joeri[m]> and you can only meet physically with our representative and hand over cash before they get suspicious
20:55:18 <moneromoon[m]> but he still needs to transfer monero to fiat for the time being
20:55:19 <Joeri[m]> hand over cash so many times*
20:55:22 <moneromoon[m]> until mass adoption
20:55:36 <moneromoon[m]> unlike cash which is more liquid and accepted everywhere
20:56:14 <Joeri[m]> True monero.moon however I think we could pay our web hoster with crypto's
20:56:45 <binaryFate> Joeri[m]: what you describe (there is some limitation because people would recognize the same donators physically) with cash is nowhere written in law I would guess. There is no legal responsibility for receivers to find out if something is fishy
20:56:47 <Joeri[m]> could asking the sender to reveal the transaction key reveal their address? that could be a way to prevent overpayments
20:57:02 <binaryFate> It would actually be probably illegal for them to denounce or refuse donations based on their huntch
20:57:17 <binaryFate> Besides, you can just send your friends to give cash in hands instead of your
20:57:21 <binaryFate> *you
20:57:23 <moneromoon[m]> they can just have a second account/address
20:57:26 <Joeri[m]> thanks binaryFate , however I don't want to roll those dice for the entire party
20:58:04 <binaryFate> <Joeri[m]> could asking the sender to reveal the transaction key reveal their address? that could be a way to prevent overpayments <-- no, and even so no, because a single person can have as many addresses as they want
20:58:11 <moneromoon[m]> what you can show with a reveal key though is that you are using the funds responsibly
20:58:52 <binaryFate> Note that none of the concerns you mentioned is specific to XMR, you would have all the exact same with BTC. And it has been accepted for donations since years
20:59:46 <moneromoon[m]> also
21:00:00 <Joeri[m]> okay people, thank you very much for the quick responses. from what I've deduced from these chats is that it's fundamentally impossible to limit xmr donations. as it's also very hard to track these transactions it would also be difficult to prove that we're up to no good. it's an ethical dilemma in the end.
21:00:00 <moneromoon[m]> a donation is only 1000 euros when it is actually sold for 1000 euros
21:00:20 <moneromoon[m]> a donation of XMR worth more than 1000 euros is not technically worth that amount until sold
21:00:40 <moneromoon[m]> is that not correct? please correct me if im wrong
21:01:16 <Joeri[m]> I'll discuss these issues with the party leadership, they will decide whether we want to die on this hill so to speak
21:01:35 <childofthecorn[m> Im curious, which party?
21:01:49 <moneromoon[m]> accepting donations in crypto may be a legal loop-hole around this law that you are referring to
21:01:52 <Joeri[m]> privacy is of big concern to our party, and I wouldn't be surprised to have some supporters who would love to donate but only anonymously
21:01:56 <childofthecorn[m> If you dont mind sharing :)
21:02:12 <Joeri[m]> <moneromoon[m] "is that not correct? please corr"> I have no idea, sorry, I'll check party documents regarding bitcoin donations
21:02:22 <Joeri[m]> <childofthecorn[m "Im curious, which party?"> Pirate Party of the Netherlands
21:02:58 <binaryFate> Dude if the Pirate Party is not willing to push on that front, I don't know who will
21:02:58 <Quotes> diisssscoonneeeeeee ♪ ┗(＾0＾)┓ ♪
21:03:49 <binaryFate> I would suggest to reach out to policitians who accepted XMR donations, they had the exact issue you mentioned. They did fine, and they're not even from the pirate party.
21:04:18 <binaryFate> Get in touch with Doublas Tuman who was running last year for Congress in NYC, I'm sure he can give you a useful perspective.
21:04:20 <moneromoon[m]> You could look into the legalities of donating "assets" instead of 'currency'
21:04:21 <binaryFate> He runs MoneroTalk
21:04:36 <binaryFate> *Douglas Tuman
21:04:46 <Joeri[m]> <binaryFate "Get in touch with Doublas Tuman "> thanks, I'll contact them
21:04:57 <binaryFate> https://twitter.com/DouglasTuman
21:06:07 <Joeri[m]> <moneromoon[m] "You could look into the legaliti"> https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/nl/werk-en-inkomen/content/cryptovaluta
21:08:04 <binaryFate> Joeri[m]: also consider joining / asking in #monero-policy, that could interest contributors there
21:39:04 <leewww> are you monerizing?
21:42:25 <angrymonkeyboi[m> All day, everyday
21:44:40 <leewww> i wish i could do that on my Xbox
21:44:59 <leewww> hashrate should be thru the roof
21:46:27 <leewww> i would mine eutheruium
21:53:49 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Is MyMonero a community project, or is there a company behind it?
22:04:24 <leewww> nop the mob is behind it
22:04:40 <raecarruth> kek
22:09:04 <charolastra> he's not joking
22:21:40 <Zerock> If I send some XMR to two different parties from the same wallet, could those parties later compare their logs to figure out they both received from the same person, or does the wallet software rotate addresses to obscure this?
22:26:06 <mmxxx[m]> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lkg2ml/minko_has_closed/
22:38:10 <fluffydonkey[m]> <Zerock "If I send some XMR to two differ"> No, that's not possible. It's not possible to get the wallet address of someone that sent you any coins. That's exactly the issue with coins like BTC, that you can do that
22:38:18 <fluffydonkey[m]> > <@freenode_Zerock:matrix.org> If I send some XMR to two different parties from the same wallet, could those parties later compare their logs to figure out they both received from the same person, or does the wallet software rotate addresses to obscure this?
22:38:18 <fluffydonkey[m]>  * It's not possible to get the wallet address of someone that sent you any coins. That's exactly the issue with coins like BTC, that you can do that
22:39:26 <Zerock> yeah, I knew that Monero obscured the transaction from 3rd party observers, but it wasn't clear to me whether the recipients could tell who sent them coins
22:41:20 <Zerock> My concern was whether I could identify myself to order something online without risk of my other transactions later being associated if eventually other parties decided to share data or if one of them got compromised, etc.
22:46:29 <fluffydonkey[m]> Maybe someone else here can answer this one.
22:46:29 <fluffydonkey[m]> When you send a transaction, your transaction is mixed with other transactions. I suppose if you send many transactions to the same recipient, they could run an analysis of all public addresses of senders of all their incoming transactions to isolate a single public address
22:46:46 <fluffydonkey[m]> Someone please let me know if this isn't possible
22:46:59 <ndorf> it's mostly safe. if your life or freedom depends on it you may want to study the weaknesses, you could start with watching the Breaking Monero video series.
22:49:09 <ndorf> fluffydonkey[m]: i'm pretty sure they can never see the public address of any sender, ever
22:49:38 <ndorf> i'm thinking more along the lines of e.g. spending the change outputs from both transactions in a single transaction a long time from now.
22:50:08 <ndorf> that still doesn't prove anything, but it could arouse or increase suspicion
22:51:02 <ndorf> monero-wallet-cli at least will warn you if you try to do that
22:51:46 <Zerock> ah, interesting
22:52:26 <apotheon> That's good news (re: warning).
22:52:50 <Zerock> is that to imply that monero-wallet-gui does not?
22:53:19 <ndorf> only to imply that i actually don't know what the gui does :)
22:53:40 <Zerock> :)
22:54:18 <fluffydonkey[m]> ndorf: I thought you could get all the public key of all ring members in a transaction. Since the reciever has access to all the transactionIds, they can just look up the set intersection of ring members in all transactions involving the specific sender
22:55:44 <ndorf> fluffydonkey[m]: the tx pubkey. that is unique to each output, i'm pretty sure the address public keys never appear on the blockchain at all
22:56:20 <fluffydonkey[m]> ahh good. I didn't know that
22:57:05 <ndorf> the "destination" of any given output is always a one-time use stealth address, never the actual address
23:12:20 <nc1236[m]> How do you guys prefer to obtain monero with fiat?
23:14:11 <jivan> Currently, I'd just use an exchange like Kraken, then send it to Cake Wallet for Android
23:14:23 <jivan> If I were more privacy-conscious, I'd use something like LocalMonero.co
23:15:08 <jivan> But I think Monero's features make that unnecessary — I've been meaning to read Zero to Monero to get a proper understanding of the crypto involved, though
23:19:14 <angrymonkeyboi[m> <nc1236[m] "How do you guys prefer to obtain"> You can also buy litecoin from Coinbase - transfer that to your own wallet, then use something like changenow.io to get XMR in your monero wallet
23:20:02 <jivan> I was gonna mention xmr.to, but I just visited it aaaaaand...
23:20:05 <jivan> ... it's gone.
23:20:11 <Zerock> not to start a big off-topic discussion, but I think BCH currently has lower fees than LTC if you're trying to acquire XMR by first getting something from coinbase
23:22:45 <jivan> FWIW, BSV fees are much smaller </tangent>
23:23:17 <Zerock> BSV isn't supported by coinbase
23:23:20 <Zerock> anyway yes, moving on
23:23:44 <jivan> Users aren't support by Coinbase, lol
23:23:48 <jivan> *supported
23:23:55 <Zerock> so I've heard
23:24:06 <angrymonkeyboi[m> <Zerock "not to start a big off-topic dis"> What's the transaction time like? LTC is usually done within 10-15 minutes
23:24:47 <whoamI[m]> <angrymonkeyboi[m "What's the transaction time like"> The same question
23:24:47 <Zerock> angrymonkeyboi[m: I haven't used it, but my understanding is they are pretty quick, especially compared to BTC
23:25:11 <whoamI[m]> More details?
23:25:13 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Glaciers building is faster than BTC transactions
23:25:24 <angrymonkeyboi[m> that's a pretty low bar 😆
23:25:59 <Zerock> average block time appears to be 6-10 minutes
23:26:06 <Zerock> according to: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin%20cash-confirmationtime.html
23:27:33 <Zerock> so 3-5x longer than LTC. If you're doing a large amount that you can afford to wait a bit for, it could be worth it.
23:27:36 <whoamI[m]> So BCH won
23:28:46 <whoamI[m]> So BCH is faster than LTC and XMR?
23:29:53 <Zerock> I guess it depends on how saturated the network is. XMR and LTC have faster block times than BCH, but BCH may be able to fit more transactions per block
23:31:50 <whoamI[m]> Well, quit precise answer
23:33:05 <whoamI[m]> And what with fee for transaction if we’ll compare BCH vs LTC vs XMR?
23:37:10 <Zerock> whoamI[m]: LTC and XMR fees appear to be 10-20x those of BCH currently
23:39:12 <gingeropolous> <Zerock> I guess it depends on how saturated the network is. XMR and LTC have faster block times than BCH, but BCH may be able to fit more transactions per block >>>> thats not necessarily true
23:39:21 <gingeropolous> monero can tehcnically fit infinite txs per block
23:39:24 <whoamI[m]> So Conclusion is That; 1. BCH is able to make more transactions per block 2. BCH is around 15x chipper
23:39:30 <gingeropolous> the blocksize grows as demand is needed
23:39:48 <gingeropolous> well, the demand for blocksize causes the blocksize to increase over time
23:39:54 <gingeropolous> and this increase causes the fees to decrease
23:39:54 <Zerock> gingeropolous: ah yes I had forgotten that, thanks. Regardless, the XMR fee is irrelevant to saving money exchanging other crypto for XMR
23:40:10 <gingeropolous> ah. sorry i just jumped in
23:40:19 <Zerock> yeah no problem, thanks for the reminder :)
23:52:14 <nc1236[m]> <angrymonkeyboi[m "You can also buy litecoin from C"> You have to use Tor with a non-US exit node or a non-US VPN in order to use changenow right?