00:08:27 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Serious question: Do people that hold BTC, ETH, etc actually spend their money on stuff, or is it mostly acquired to HODL?
00:09:17 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Asking because I'm setting up a product payment method as only Monero, but could add the other stuff if there's demand for it
00:11:26 <charolastra> i'd guess that ppl are reluctant to sell in a bull market
00:19:15 <tla_[m]> <angrymonkeyboi[m "Serious question: Do people that"> Oddly something like Dogecoin is much more liquid - it was designed for tipping do gets used a lot. And of course 1D=1D! If you have a gold plated asset like bitcoin why would you sell it if you can loan it out and make a return?
00:19:40 <tla_[m]> * Oddly something like Dogecoin is much more liquid - it was designed for tipping so gets used a lot. And of course 1D=1D! If you have a gold plated asset like bitcoin why would you sell it if you can loan it out and make a return?
00:20:08 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Good points
00:20:08 <Infinity8> $_$
00:28:54 <dxrwzy9y[m]> Is it possible to short a cryptocurrency?
00:29:33 <charolastra> of course. on markets that offer it
00:29:59 <Infinity8> Why do so many people have the [m] in their nick
00:30:06 <apotheon> Matrix bridge
00:30:11 <dxrwzy9y[m]> Which ones?
00:30:25 <apotheon> dxrwzy9y[m]: You, from the perspective of IRC.
00:31:02 <apotheon> (a couple others who've spoken in the last half hour, too)
00:54:07 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Like me?
00:54:30 <angrymonkeyboi[m> It's an exclusive club for the 1%
00:54:30 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Unfortunately, you're in the 99% :(
00:57:02 <apotheon> It actually looks like the 50% in the last hour.
01:00:46 <vekin> honestly i thought the [m] meant they were on some kinda gen-z discord irc bridge
01:00:53 <vekin> because they dunno how to use irc
01:07:37 <apotheon> Some might argue that's what using a Matrix bridge *is*.
01:31:12 <fluffydonkey[m]> I know what IRC is!
01:31:56 <louipc> howd u know that
01:36:34 <apotheon> someone set up us the bomb
01:36:52 <apotheon> err, I mean leaked sensitive information to Matrix users
02:58:21 <fatcat[m]> <sethsimmons[m] "Something without journaling/CoW"> How much performance hit would I experience with CoW or journaling? If CoW or journaling doesn't decrease sync performance much, I would use CoW or journaling.
03:03:55 <fatcat[m]> Would `autodefrag` btrfs mount option slow down random read too much?
03:16:21 * styxx[m] uploaded an image: 20210211_143447.jpg (45KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/tchncs.de/NipDhAKoQUrJViWqBRnfoPXL/20210211_143447.jpg >
05:19:20 <fatcat[m]> How reliable is LMDB on raw disk against power loss? Does LMDB have checksums for detecting corruption?
05:20:47 <xmrscott[m]1> <vekin "because they dunno how to use ir"> Meh, I've used irssi+screen for a good number of years because the uni never closed out my account after I graduated, so I had a free bouncer. Matrix is basically a free easy way to keep doing that. Also you know, IRC is unencrypted if you care about privacy
05:44:10 <vekin> xmrscott[m]1: i was mostly poking fun I don't actually believe that
06:47:25 <styxx[m]> https://lbry.tv/@MoneroTalk:8/jeremy-kauffman-ceo-of-lbry-the:2
06:50:42 <modul8[m]> interview candidate https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6
07:28:28 <fatcat[m]> Too bad that I can't buy LBC with other cryptocurrencies.
07:29:02 <fatcat[m]> Or, I can't sell LBC for other cryptocurrencies.
07:29:07 <fatcat[m]>  * I can't sell LBC for other cryptocurrencies.
07:44:06 <styxx[m]> <fatcat[m] "Too bad that I can't buy LBC wit"> on dexchanges you need to find some trades which is relatively rare
07:44:26 <styxx[m]> bittrex is the easiest way to go to trade your LBC
08:05:46 <modul8[m]> https://bisq.network/markets/?currency=lbc_btc
08:08:48 <nvfanonlah[m]> <modul8[m] "interview candidate https://odys"> Hm..ok
12:27:27 <styxx[m]> https://beincrypto.com/tesla-sees-proposal-to-add-monero-xmr-as-payment/
12:30:58 <hyc> as usual, bullshit headline
12:32:07 <koork[m]> What does an "output offset" mean? The wallet GUI is asking me for it to mark an individual output as spent
12:38:00 <koork[m]> And also, the "help" box says getmonero.org maintains a spent outputs list. Where can I find it?
12:42:01 <moneromooo> It's the index of the output in blockchain order among all other outputs of its value (0 for rct).
13:10:53 <koork[m]> Thanks! And why is it asking for the output amount? How is it relevant?
13:11:46 <moneromooo> Because it looks like you're trying to tell it to mark an output as known spent. It wants to know which one.
13:11:55 <moneromooo> Oh, misread.
13:12:05 <moneromooo> Amount because there's a per amount list.
13:12:29 <moneromooo> So outputs are indexed like "Nth output in the list of amount A".
13:13:06 <moneromooo> So the second output of 1 monero and the second output of 2 monero would both have offset 1, but for a different amount.
13:13:27 <moneromooo> So an output is uniquely described as a {amount,offset} tuple.
13:17:00 <fatcat[m]> Does monerod ignore the value of `--db-sync-mode`? It seems that monerod turns on safe mode while it's synchronized and turn it off while it's not.
13:17:44 <koork[m]> moneromoo: Oh! I didn't understand that the manual marking was also of outputs from the file. Thanks a lot
13:17:51 <moneromooo> Not for the first sync, but it's possible it might do so when turning it off again.
13:18:45 <fatcat[m]> The behavior of `--db-sync-mode` should be understood and documented.
14:32:29 <omega> hello. What would be the ramifications of daemon setting p2p-bind-port=80 from my home?   Love
14:35:11 <moneromooo> You might get extra non monero traffic from automated scanners that try to find a web server.
14:35:25 <moneromooo> You would not be able to run a web server on the default unencrypted port, if you have one.
14:36:23 <moneromooo> If it's a home, that's dependent on setting your router to the same ports I guess.
14:47:36 <omega> i don't have access to my router :/   would this setup be a 'safe' workaround?  Gracias
16:31:47 <Mate[m]> What's the reason for forcing 10 confirmations in the GUI wallets? I know some exchanges are lower like 5 and 8, why is that not enough, has there ever been 3 or 4 orphaned blocks at a time?
16:32:43 <moneromooo> To avoid (or make it very unlikely) transactions invalidating in cascade. Yes, resp.
16:33:54 <luigi1111> I still don't love it, but oh well
16:47:49 <Mate[m]> Is it not possible to have a force send function like in the bitcoin wallets after it's been included in a block?
16:57:14 <rupee[m]1> iirc, forcing everyone to wait 10 blocks helps with privacy
16:57:55 <rupee[m]1> but a nice feature for a wallet might be to let the user queue up a transfer and have it autosend as soon as there are 10 confs. Although not sure if that can work or not
16:59:15 <moneromooo> It can work.
17:03:00 <Mate[m]> <rupee[m]1 "iirc, forcing everyone to wait 1"> is that a feature of the wallet or the blockchain?
17:05:54 <rupee[m]1> i think at the protocol level. some more info here: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/1189/why-does-monero-prevent-transactions-from-being-spent-without-10-confirmations
17:14:45 <Mate[m]> thanks
17:36:11 <roguegumshoe[m]> anyone know if the unstoppable digital wallet works with monero?
17:48:38 <s1monious> Test
17:58:28 <sethsimmons> Successful
19:21:12 <fluffydonkey[m]> wtf. I'm trying to set up BTCPay for my store, and while looking over the code for woocommerce, I see this:
19:21:12 <fluffydonkey[m]> https://github.com/btcpayserver/woocommerce-plugin/blob/master/src/class-wc-gateway-btcpay.php#L1439
19:21:22 <fluffydonkey[m]> Who checks in their encryption key?
19:22:07 <fluffydonkey[m]> Just PHP things, I suppose
19:25:50 <fluffydonkey[m]> The same encrypt/decrypt functions are declared twice
19:25:55 <fluffydonkey[m]> What is going on?!
19:39:41 <kesha[m]> Kk
19:41:26 <charolastra> wtf, one just has loging added
20:42:12 <h2017> hi
21:01:04 <john_alan> It’s a placeholder
21:19:05 <sgp_> If all goes well, this channel will be bridged to the Discord tonight. It was bridged before, but if you have concerns lmk
22:40:50 <fluffydonkey[m]> I want to set up a monerod instance in order to accept payments on my website.
22:40:51 <fluffydonkey[m]> What's its behavior under load? How many CPU cores / RAM does it need?
22:41:51 <hyc> once sync'd up monerod load is nearly zero
22:42:18 <apotheon> Is that RAM, CPU, and bandwidth?
22:42:54 <hyc> hm, there will be bandwidth consumed of course
22:43:27 <fluffydonkey[m]> so, a 2 cpu, 3gb instance should be good?
22:43:29 <apotheon> I remember looking at the estimates for Decred and thinking that was a lot for a not-high-tier-adoption cryptocurrency.
22:43:37 <hyc> but the p2p traffic is still pretty light right now. the big traffic consumers are wallet clients if you make rpc public
22:43:45 <apotheon> . . . but figured it was probably pretty "average" given blockchain needs.
22:44:20 <hyc> yeah it should work fine with that. more RAM is always better of course but 3GB should be fine
22:44:25 <moneromooo> 2CPU, 4 GB is easily enough (you won't be able to compile it there though due to core_rpc_server).
22:44:36 <moneromooo> 3GB probably fine.
22:44:44 <moneromooo> 1 CPU would also be fine.
22:44:53 <fluffydonkey[m]> One more question: Has monerod been tested with ARM64?
22:44:58 <moneromooo> Yes.
22:45:09 <fluffydonkey[m]> sweet
22:46:13 <hyc> note that he didn't ask if th tst was successful
22:46:23 <fluffydonkey[m]> 😆
22:47:38 <fluffydonkey[m]> Anyone got a systemd config for monerod?
22:47:59 <moneromooo> Yes.
22:48:23 <fluffydonkey[m]> Please do share :)
22:48:32 <moneromooo> contrib/systemd IIRC.
22:49:40 <fluffydonkey[m]> thanks.   /utils/systemd
22:49:50 <sethsimmons> <fluffydonkey[m] "Anyone got a systemd config for "> https://sethsimmons.me/guides/run-a-monero-node-advanced/#install-monerod-systemd-script
22:50:17 <fluffydonkey[m]> Thank you!
22:59:51 <hyc> ah, now I see where people are getting their outdated mining advice https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lii2h0/new_usbased_pool_0_pool_fee_moneromineco/gn427gy/
23:17:01 <fluffydonkey[m]> sethsimmons: You're awesome. Thanks for creating that guide
23:19:56 <sethsimmons> Glad to hear its useful to people 🙂 That's why I do what I do!