00:52:23 <tokineko[m]> Which one is more performant between data=writeback vs no journal?
01:12:56 <tokineko[m]> mawk: I need performance for fast synchronization on monero blockchain LMDB.
01:29:32 <tokineko[m]> I'm also going to mine.
03:20:25 <fatcat[m]> WARNING net.p2p.tx      src/cryptonote_protocol/levin_notify.cpp:680    Unable to send transaction(s) to tor - no suitable outbound connections at height 227468
03:20:30 <fatcat[m]> What does it mean?
03:21:40 * mycorrhizae[m] uploaded an image: TrinityQR.jpg (441KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/hmxjutxSnHGDKKtRIWJBJHby/TrinityQR.jpg >
03:21:57 <mycorrhizae[m]> Such I am, Very I am
03:22:10 <mycorrhizae[m]> * Such I am, Very that I am
03:23:41 <fatcat[m]> Is this room being infiltrated by chat bots?
03:26:14 <fatcat[m]> Monero telegram channel was already infiltrated by at least one chat bot and several psy-op agents.
03:34:50 <nioc> infiltrated?  no
03:35:15 <nioc> no idea what that warning is
03:35:45 <nioc> if it works then AIUI you can ignore
03:36:03 <nioc> oh tor
03:36:18 <nioc> no idea
03:36:48 <nioc> mycorrhizae[m]: what do those qr codes do
03:37:30 <mycorrhizae[m]> They are recieve wallets
03:37:39 <mycorrhizae[m]> For corresponding coin
03:37:54 <mycorrhizae[m]> I assume the person who made it put them there
04:23:30 <fatcat[m]> btrfs isn't fast with `noatime,nodatacow,nodatasum,compress=no,space_cache=v2`.
04:31:57 <fatcat[m]> If I used LMDB on raw disk, will I still know how much free space is left on HDD?
04:32:04 <fatcat[m]>  * If I used LMDB on raw disk, would I still know how much free space is left on HDD?
04:45:33 <fatcat[m]> How can I make monerod co-operate with logrotate? monerod doesn't tell me any process signal that it accepts.
05:10:01 <gingeropolous> fatcat[m], monero has its own built in logrotate
05:20:09 <fatcat[m]> https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/ says
05:20:09 <fatcat[m]> > In production deployments, you would probably prefer to use established solutions like logrotate instead. In that case, set --max-log-file-size=0 to prevent monerod from managing the log files.
05:20:56 <fatcat[m]> gingeropolous: ^^
05:22:26 <fatcat[m]> What is a good value for `db-sync-mode`?
05:26:28 <fatcat[m]> The documentation for `db-sync-mode` is very outdated.
05:52:13 <gingeropolous> ah yes re: logrotate. I dunno. I use to use logrotate on monerod just fine until the built in thing was implemented, and then i just used that
05:53:02 <gingeropolous> so i dunno. re: db-sync-mode, i think the default is generally fine.
05:53:23 <gingeropolous> other options are useful if you have a system that likes to crash and doesn't keep its file system safe.
05:53:38 <gingeropolous> thats why i think with windows the option safest is used or something
05:53:39 <Quotes> fuck windows, use linux!
05:56:33 <fatcat[m]> gingeropolous: I searched reddit and read monero codebase. It turns out that safe mode is turned on if monerod is within a few blocks of the latest block and is turned off when it's not synchronized.
05:57:25 <gingeropolous> ah nice.
05:57:44 <fatcat[m]> But, it is not documented.
05:57:44 <gingeropolous> your really diving in.
05:57:55 <gingeropolous> can you help document it as you go?
05:58:09 <fatcat[m]> Maybe...
05:58:21 <gingeropolous> maybe...... yes!
05:58:40 <fatcat[m]> I doubt that monero is going to accept a new pull request since it has a lot of pull requests waiting to be merged.
05:59:17 <gingeropolous> dude, if its documentation thats like frosting on a donut.
05:59:19 <gingeropolous> no that makes no sense
05:59:31 <gingeropolous> my point is that it can't break things
05:59:59 <gingeropolous> ad there's always pull requests waiting to be merged
06:00:07 <gingeropolous> don't let that get in the way of progress
06:00:17 <gingeropolous> don't let progress get in the way of progress. new saying. trademark.
06:00:29 <gingeropolous> copyright. 100%
06:03:49 <fatcat[m]> Okay
06:36:33 <fatcat[m]> Which one is faster for monero blockchain synchronization on HDD? btrfs without checksums, compression, and copy-on-write? ext4 without journaling?
06:53:39 <fatcat[m]> https://twitter.com/AlanAprich/status/1346392455474802694
06:53:39 <fatcat[m]> Seems fun.
07:19:50 <fatcat[m]> How do you think of tokenzed stocks on ethereum blockchain?
07:47:30 <mawk> tokineko[m] ext4 manual seems to imply that data=writeback offers the most throughput
07:47:36 <mawk> data is written directly to disk
07:47:43 <mawk> and journal is later updated for metadata
07:53:05 <mawk> because I'm not sure what you call no journal
07:53:12 <mawk> I don't see any option to disable it
07:53:24 <mawk> or rather, the only option I see is data=writeback
07:53:29 <mawk> it makes data skip journal
07:53:40 <mawk> journal is only used for metadata, asynchronously presumably
07:55:22 <mawk> fatcat[m]: I'd do pruning
07:55:24 <mawk> if I were you
07:55:39 <mawk> fatcat[m] are you tokineko[m] ?
07:55:45 <mawk> you have the exact same question
07:56:31 <mawk> pruning + regular ext4 should be good enough, or maybe data=writeback but I'm not convinced it will offer the highest speedups
07:56:38 <mawk> given the risks
08:07:25 <fatcat[m]> Yes, I am.
08:08:02 <fatcat[m]> mawk: You can create ext4 with `-O ^has_journal`.
08:14:12 <fatcat[m]> mawk: monerdo automatically switches to safe sync when it's synchronized to the latest blocks.
08:16:47 <fatcat[m]>  * mawk: monerod automatically switches to safe sync when it's synchronized to the latest blocks.
08:20:19 <mawk> good then
08:20:45 <mawk> pruning will give you the biggest speedups
08:20:51 <mawk> can you mine with pruning though?
08:25:25 <Mochi101> yes
08:32:18 <mawk> use that then
08:32:20 <mawk> thanks
08:49:31 <fatcat[m]> How much difference in performance is there between`data=ordered` and no ext4 journal?
08:55:15 <fatcat[m]> I guess there's a lot.
08:57:51 <fatcat[m]> btrfs without copy-on-write doesn't seem slower than ext4.
08:59:12 <fatcat[m]> https://raid6.com.au/posts/fs_ext4_external_journal/ says `journal_async_commit` increases ext4 performance.
09:16:01 <edlou> hi there, i need some help. had a few transactions from a pool be sent, i see them on the chain but dont see them in my wallet =(
09:21:29 <Mochi101> edlou, is your wallet fully synced?
09:21:37 <edlou> Mochi101: i have been trying to use remote node
09:22:23 <Mochi101> Sometimes some remote nodes are stuck... try adding one manually... you can use a reputable node like node.xmr.to or node.supportxmr.com
09:22:59 <edlou> is monero-wallet-cli  --ademon-address node:ip    correct?
09:23:13 <edlou> ive been trying supportxmr but get error message connecting
09:24:38 <Mochi101> trick questions... hold on...
09:25:18 <Mochi101> yes --daemon-address:port
09:25:38 <edlou> i get this message and it hangs:
09:25:43 <edlou> Warning: using an untrusted daemon at node.supportxmr.com
09:25:43 <edlou> Using a third party daemon can be detrimental to your security and privacy
09:26:09 <Mochi101> it hangs?
09:26:26 <Mochi101> It might take a bit but it should get through.
09:26:43 <edlou> ok let me try again i keep closing terminal after a minute
09:27:53 <endor00[m]> You can also try adding --trusted-daemon
09:28:23 <edlou> will the cli wallet have to do the refresh every time i start it?
09:28:35 <Mochi101> no
09:28:51 <Mochi101> well... if you exit nicely it won't
09:29:08 <edlou> will it cache something somehow or how will this work? i just assumed the remotte node would be instant
09:29:19 <edlou> (honestly scared somehow my keys were compromised) dying to check....
09:29:20 <Mochi101> it'll cache your wallet
09:30:05 <Mochi101> Why are you scared that your keys were compromised?
09:31:19 <edlou> i tried the appimage for mymonero , saw balance of 0 , but also no history, just very worried
09:31:46 <edlou> looks like it will take maybe an hour or more to finish refreshing, i hope im not a goner, thanks for helping me guys
09:31:54 <edlou> 😭
09:32:10 <Mochi101> Good luck.
09:38:53 <fatcat[m]> Don't use mymonero.
09:41:47 <raecarruth> people will keep using it so long as it's on the getmonero website
09:41:54 <raecarruth> does anyone here use edge wallet?
09:41:56 <raecarruth> never used it
09:42:20 <raecarruth> but somebody i told to have a look at the website decided to use it because ot its multi currency capabilities
09:44:15 <Mochi101> CLI wallet best wallet
09:44:35 <raecarruth> Mochi101: true
09:44:39 <raecarruth> but for mobile users
09:45:38 <Mochi101> I used the GUI wallet for some time... but after ~1000 tx history it was impossible to use... So I stopped using it... The history thing was supposedly fixed but I just never went back to it.
09:46:00 <Mochi101> Well, for mobile I use Monerujo
09:46:05 <raecarruth> same
09:46:15 <raecarruth> but a lot of n00bs like the multi coin wallets
09:46:17 <Mochi101> Just a testing thing though... not for any real use.
09:46:23 <raecarruth> i'd never heard fo edge before yesterday
09:46:35 <raecarruth> just want to make sure it isn't a pile of poop
09:46:59 <raecarruth> also don't want to dissuade somebody from using something out of pure ignorance
09:48:11 <Mochi101> That's how I found the bug that you could crash Monerujo by using a colon in the tx-description field of a qr code
09:48:30 <Mochi101> Fixed now though.
10:19:01 <fatcat[m]> People who lose XMR tend to use mymonero.
10:57:54 <fatcat[m]> Is defragmentation bad for LMDB?
11:00:48 <fatcat[m]> `btrfs defrag`.
11:01:03 <Inge-> vikrants[m]: Any plans for HW wallet support in Cake?
11:01:13 <fatcat[m]>  * `btrfs filesystem defragment`.
11:01:44 <vikrants[m]> Yes it’s on the list.  But other things are taking priority.
11:12:00 <Inge-> Fair. It looks nice now.
11:34:00 <fatcat[m]> I guess I may use xfs rather than ext4 on my HDD. Xfs is faster than ext4.
11:35:30 <raecarruth> btfs ftw
11:35:35 <raecarruth> *btrfs
11:42:13 <fatcat[m]> Sync is stuck at Height: 1351184/2293005 (58.9%) on mainnet for more than an hour. What is going on?
11:42:58 <fatcat[m]> Perhaps, I need more RAM with `block-sync-size=100`?
11:43:17 <fatcat[m]> `free -m` tells me I'm not running out of RAM.
11:45:00 <moneromooo> Check the output of "sync_info".
11:45:12 <moneromooo> If you're not sure how to interpret it, paste it on some paste site.
11:45:31 * fatcat[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/GjoxtVeTwoYRWIZIIYbexoqW/message.txt >
11:46:17 <moneromooo> It's partial, right ?
11:46:33 <fatcat[m]> yes
11:46:45 <moneromooo> set_log 1, then wait a bit, see if you have verification errors.
11:47:30 <fatcat[m]> https://pastebin.com/vQMi7CV1
11:48:25 <moneromooo> Ah, then it looks like it's failing to get the next it of data it needs.
11:48:54 <moneromooo> It's been requested, it should time out.
11:49:02 <moneromooo> In much less than an hour.
11:49:31 <fatcat[m]> https://pastebin.com/KkeNnApU is the log.
11:51:15 <fatcat[m]> moneromooo: ^^
11:52:41 <moneromooo> Can you get another with log level 1,*queue*:DEBUG,net.cn:DEBUG please ?
11:53:02 <moneromooo> Maybe 10 seconds' worth.
11:54:22 <fatcat[m]> Can you give me an exact command?
11:54:38 <moneromooo> set_log 1,*queue*:DEBUG,net.cn:DEBUG
11:57:21 <fatcat[m]> moneromooo: https://pastebin.com/FYwBD4zQ
11:58:37 <fatcat[m]> I'm synchronizing to become a full node.
12:00:34 <fatcat[m]> Perhaps, there are malicious nodes that prevent me from synchronizing?
12:02:04 <selsta> you can use --enable-dns-blocklist to block malicious nodes, but you should still be able to sync fine without it
12:04:02 <moneromooo> Can you PM me your external IP address, I'll check my node for logs. Looks like you're requeting objects but never getting them.
12:04:17 <moneromooo> So peers seem to be rejecting your queries for some reason.
12:05:11 <moneromooo> You're requesting blocks from several peers, so it's unlikely to be bad peers.
12:15:10 <fatcat[m]> So, all of them configured their nodes wrong?
12:16:56 <moneromooo> Unlikely, it';s probably your node that's wrong.
12:17:14 <moneromooo> Try restarting with: --add-exclusive-node 88.198.163.90:18080 (that's my node, so I'll have logs from the other side)
12:19:01 <moneromooo> Ah, crap, my node is pruned where you need blocks.
12:19:53 <fatcat[m]> moneromooo: https://pastebin.com/9jKKWmPQ is my current config. I pass --data-dir=/data/monero --non-interactive to monerod.
12:20:05 <fatcat[m]> What does --add-exlcusive-node do exactly?
12:20:27 <moneromooo> It uses only that node as a peer.
12:20:49 <moneromooo> Oh, try removing --block-sync-size as a test.
12:21:08 <moneromooo> 100 is fine normally, but yo umight be hitting large blocks...
12:21:18 <moneromooo> It'll normally use 20 there.
12:22:35 <fatcat[m]> According to `free -m`, I'm not running out of RAM.
12:24:14 <gingeropolous> whats your full list of startup flags?
12:24:14 <moneromooo> Checking the code, there's no size limit there, still worth a try I guess.
12:25:35 <fatcat[m]> What the hell. It started synchronizing again without `block-sync-size=100`.
12:26:07 <fatcat[m]> `block-sync-size=100` must have overwhelmed something in monerod.
12:26:38 <gingeropolous> nice find
12:29:15 <fatcat[m]> I suspect `block-sycn-size=100` surpassed `block-download-max-size`.
12:32:10 <gingeropolous> ah. im trying to reproduce. whats full startup flags?
12:33:40 <fatcat[m]> monerod --data-dir=/data/monero --non-interactive --config-file https://pastebin.com/9jKKWmPQ
12:35:05 <gingeropolous> i don't see block download max size
12:35:32 <gingeropolous> oh that wasn't a startup flag
12:35:34 <gingeropolous> ?
12:35:48 <multifractal> I've been trying to connect to all the remote nodes listed on moneroworld.com from my tails gui wallet. but it just spins for a while and says network status disconnected. no info in logs panel.
12:36:08 <fatcat[m]> gingeropolous: I didn't include `block-download-max-size` in my config or startup flag.
12:36:23 <Mochi101> multifractal, try a node like node.xmr.to or node.supportxmr.com
12:36:29 <Mochi101> add it manually\
12:36:44 <selsta> multifractal: you have to connect to an onion node
12:37:08 <multifractal> i used note.xmr.to yesterday and it worked fine
12:37:46 <fatcat[m]> gingeropolous: I use monero 0.17.1.9
12:38:17 <multifractal> i tried an onion address too, and same thing
12:38:52 <selsta> both node.xmr.to:18081 and node.supportxmr.com:18081 are online
12:39:32 <multifractal> i tried both of those
12:39:39 <moneromooo> block-download-max-size is unrelated.
12:39:42 <multifractal> there is no further information in the logs
12:39:50 <moneromooo> It's more likely to be a packet size limit.
12:39:51 <fatcat[m]> matrix.org was awfully slow and disconnected frequently on tor browser. But, matrix.monero.social is quite fast on tor browser.
12:39:53 <selsta> did you activate socks5 proxy in settings -> interface?
12:40:26 <fatcat[m]> moneromooo: What kind of packet?
12:40:53 <moneromooo> Remote nodes that aren't yours shed some privacy, opens some more avenues of attack, and make the network less resilient compared to running your own node.
12:40:59 <moneromooo> Network packet.
12:41:08 <fatcat[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_transmission_unit
12:41:18 <moneromooo> Monero network packet.
12:41:43 <fatcat[m]> Can I adjust the size of monero network packet? Or, does monerod have to be modified?
12:42:05 <moneromooo> You'd modify monero, but you could not modify peers'.
12:43:50 <gingeropolous> moneromooo, is this related to recent modifications?
12:44:29 <fatcat[m]> Slice blocks up.
12:44:41 * moneromooo ponders whether to continue replying to these before knowing for sure
12:45:23 <gingeropolous> i feel like i remember something about size of things being modded recently to mitigate stuffs
12:46:04 <fatcat[m]> I think `block-sync-size` should be renamed to `max-block-sync-size` so that blocks fit in monero network packets.
12:46:29 <fatcat[m]> `block-sync-size=100` shouldn't block synchronization.
12:47:06 <selsta> what is the default value?
12:48:00 <fatcat[m]> `block-sync-size=100` before v4. `block-sync-size=20` since v4.
12:48:25 <fatcat[m]> block-sync-size automatically adapts if I don't specify it manually.
12:49:13 <selsta> I only tested the recent DoS mitigation patches with default value.
12:49:38 <fatcat[m]> `--block-sync-size` // How many blocks are processed in a single batch during chain synchronization. By default this is 20 blocks for newer history and 100 blocks for older history ("pre v4"). Default behavior is represented by value 0. Intuitively, the more resources you have, the bigger batch size you may want to try out. Example:
12:49:38 <fatcat[m]> `./monerod --block-sync-size=500`
12:51:08 <multifractal> yesterday i used node.xmr.to:18081 successfully. now nothing connects
12:51:48 <gingeropolous> multifractal, have you tried to run monerod and get your own node going?
12:52:04 <selsta> running a node on tails is complicated
12:52:05 <multifractal> i don't have disk space for that
12:52:13 <selsta> did you see my message?
12:52:16 <selsta> 13:39 <selsta> did you activate socks5 proxy in settings -> interface?
12:52:36 <multifractal> selsta: that box is ticked
12:54:37 <fatcat[m]> I'm feeling the temptation to run a pruned node as I watch the synchronization.
12:54:44 <gingeropolous> multifractal, have you considered renting a vps to run your own node and then connect to that from your tails setup
12:55:01 <selsta> the problem is not the node
12:55:06 <selsta> node.xmr.to is online
12:55:20 <fatcat[m]> xmr.to is out of business by the way.
12:55:23 <gingeropolous> its online but is it connectable
12:55:33 <gingeropolous> my main remote node currently has 100 rpc connections
12:55:37 <gingeropolous> thats when it starts to be useless
12:56:11 <selsta> gingeropolous: yes it is online and connects fine
12:56:50 <multifractal> i've tried a whole bunch of them
12:57:05 <multifractal> is there any way to get more detailed logging of the failure
12:57:20 <fatcat[m]> https://xmr.to/blog/job-done
12:57:34 <selsta> fatcat[m]: yes, but the node will continue to run for now
12:57:44 <fatcat[m]> > Sad news today. With heavy hearts we are announcing that the XMR.to service will no longer be operated.
12:57:46 <selsta> multifractal: can you start monero-gui from the tails terminal?
12:57:53 <gingeropolous> selsta, gotcha
12:58:13 <selsta> then it will print logs, you can also try to increase log level if nothing useful shows
12:58:52 <multifractal> Some problems at connecy, mssage: connection refused
12:59:08 <fatcat[m]> By the way, you can still use xchange.me as a substitute for xmr.to
12:59:17 <fatcat[m]> Or, fixedfloat.com
12:59:35 <vikrants[m]> yeah we gotta get something in cake soon
12:59:41 <vikrants[m]> to replace xmrto
13:00:14 <multifractal> I set log level to 4 in the GUI and I'm watching the console
13:00:30 <multifractal> "Connection refused" is all I see in the way of errors
13:01:05 <fatcat[m]> By the way, monero-gui should decouple monero.
13:01:06 <fatcat[m]>  * By the way, monero-gui should be decoupled from monero. monero-gui should depend on monero as a dynamic library.
13:02:00 <multifractal> "regex not matched for URI..." - some kind of warning maybe?
13:02:48 <multifractal> maybe i'll just come back in a few hours and see if magic fixed it
13:03:12 <multifractal> less than ideal but i'm out of ideas
13:03:47 <yunes[m]> Does Anyone know some DEX which trades Monero with low fees even for about $ 50k ?
13:05:08 <fatcat[m]> By the way, monerod is not really pushing HDD, CPU, or RAM, but synchronization is slow.
13:05:37 <fatcat[m]> freenode_yunes[m]: Have you tried xchange.me or fixedfloat.com ?
13:06:00 <fatcat[m]> 50k is a lot...
13:06:17 <fatcat[m]> You can also try polarity exchange.
13:06:29 <vikrants[m]> You can always use the existing exchange in Cake wallet to convert xmr to btc a bulk amount and save the btc in your cake wallet and use it when you need to.
13:06:30 <fatcat[m]> Polarity Exchange has a centralied order book, but it is a non-custodial exchange.
13:06:43 <fatcat[m]>  * Polarity Exchange has a centralized order book, but it is a non-custodial exchange.
13:06:45 <yunes[m]> <fatcat[m] "You can also try polarity exchan"> is it DEX or centralized?
13:06:58 <fatcat[m]> It's somewhere between CEX and DEX.
13:07:22 <yunes[m]> No I need a DEX only
13:07:42 <fatcat[m]> Look into BTDex and turtle network DEX.
13:08:12 <fatcat[m]> By the way, you don't need an account on polarity exchange. You can create a local account and save the seed.
13:08:47 <fatcat[m]> You can also use it on tor browser.
13:08:53 <fatcat[m]> It is also non-custodial.
13:09:28 <fatcat[m]>  * By the way, you don't need an online account on polarity exchange. You can create a local account and save the seed.
13:09:36 <fatcat[m]> O javem
13:10:13 <fatcat[m]>  * I haven't seen a true DEX with some liquidity.
13:10:54 <fatcat[m]> Bisq exchange is also a true DEX, but it is slow and doesn't have a lot of liquidity.
13:11:29 <fatcat[m]> Verus coin tries to be its own decentralized exchange at the protocol level.
13:12:00 <fatcat[m]> You can convert wrapped XMR into pirate chain or verus coin on verus coin desktop wallet.
13:12:19 <fatcat[m]>  * You will soon be able to convert wrapped XMR into pirate chain or verus coin on verus coin desktop wallet.
13:15:33 <fatcat[m]> <yunes[m] "No I need a DEX only"> Satisfied?
13:17:23 <selsta> fatcat[m]: do you use a HDD?
13:17:33 <fatcat[m]> Yes, I do.
13:17:41 <fatcat[m]> A 6TB HDD
13:17:49 <fatcat[m]>  * A 6TB HDD dedicated to monero blockchain.
13:17:50 <selsta> afaik the problem is HDD read latency
13:18:04 <selsta> SSD will result in way faster sync
13:18:20 <fatcat[m]> monerod isn't really pushing HDD throughput.
13:18:27 <fatcat[m]>  * monerod isn't really pushing the limits of HDD throughput.
13:18:54 <selsta> like I said, the bottleneck is read latency
13:18:56 <moneromooo> It's random seeks, not throughput.
13:19:32 <fatcat[m]> Reading 400KB/s doesn't really push an HDD.
13:19:43 <fatcat[m]> Okay
13:19:49 <fatcat[m]> How can I improve read latency?
13:20:08 <moneromooo> Copy the chain to RAM or use a SSD.
13:20:17 <selsta> HDD is fine if you are okay with initial sync taking longer
13:20:23 <moneromooo> Catting to /dev/null caches to RAM IIRC.
13:20:24 <fatcat[m]> hahahaha.... I don't have 6TB RAM.
13:20:40 <moneromooo> The chain's only ~30 GB pruned, or 100 GB unpruned.
13:21:03 <moneromooo> You likely have only a portion of it as of yet.
13:21:06 <fatcat[m]> Ethereum blockchain is already 6TB.
13:21:15 <moneromooo> :|
13:21:23 <fatcat[m]> I have 16GB RAM.
13:21:41 <fatcat[m]> Is xfs going to decrease read latency?
13:21:49 * yunes[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nFcwZatnCikeBLKPhCixPPFE/message.txt >
13:22:56 <fatcat[m]> Disabling checksum, copy-on-write, and compression improved write on HDD.
13:23:10 <fatcat[m]>  * Disabling checksum, copy-on-write, and compression on btrfs improved write.
13:23:31 <fatcat[m]> According to benchmarks, xfs is the king of speed.
13:24:16 <fatcat[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-58-filesystems&num=1
13:26:19 <slave_blocker> hello good day
13:27:12 <slave_blocker> I'm translating zero to monero to portuguese.
13:27:24 <fatcat[m]> But, there is not much difference in random read between xfs and btrfs.
13:29:24 <fatcat[m]> Next time, I will buy a much quicker storage.....
13:30:15 <slave_blocker> so i have a question : on page 38 it's incorrect because it's small k and not K . That bob needs to sign with. Bob does not sign at any rate with his one time address!
13:30:34 <selsta> UkoeHB: ^
13:30:53 <slave_blocker> he proves ownership by signing with his private key small k one time...
13:31:08 <slave_blocker> I guess...
13:31:59 <slave_blocker> So as i am translating this such that i understand it. I hit a bump right now.
13:32:24 <fatcat[m]> 2TB SSD is surprisingly affordable.... Damn...
13:32:53 <selsta> fatcat[m]: once you are synced it should not matter too much, though SSD will be faster when generating a transaction
13:35:42 <slave_blocker> on chapter six, it is said that a MLSAG will be used for each Rj.
13:35:50 <selsta> slave_blocker: UkoeHB is the author, maybe he can clarify
13:36:32 <fatcat[m]> Is there such a thing as trusted raw blockchain that I can import?
13:36:46 <selsta> yes, if you created it yourself on a different device
13:36:51 <selsta> but not from the internet
13:37:10 <slave_blocker> but a MLSAG includes all the one time public keys in it's construction...
13:37:19 <fatcat[m]> That's not very comforting since I turned off checksumming...
13:37:43 <fatcat[m]> Can monerod verify database corruption?
13:37:51 <fatcat[m]>  * Can monerod detect database corruption?
13:37:51 <selsta> are you using monero-blockchain-import or monerod?
13:38:06 <fatcat[m]> I'm using monerod to slowly sync for now.
13:38:31 <fatcat[m]> Can monero-blockchain-import detect corruptions?
13:39:43 <selsta> there is ./monerod --db-salvage that can fix corruptions, but obviously not guaranteed
13:40:53 <fatcat[m]> Does btrfs copy-on-write degrade LMDB write performance significantly?
13:41:02 <selsta> I don’t know.
13:41:19 <fatcat[m]> Without copy-on-write, I don't get checksums. Without checksums, I can't easily verify corruptions.
13:41:43 <fatcat[m]> It seems I may look for a way to get checksums without copy-on-write.
13:41:50 <fatcat[m]>  * I may look for a way to get checksums without copy-on-write.
13:44:21 <yunes[m]> <fatcat[m] "By the way, monerod is not reall"> is fixedfloat DEX?
13:53:17 <fatcat[m]> freenode_yunes[m]: It's a CEX, but it's also non-custodial.
13:53:27 <fatcat[m]> It's non-KYC.
13:53:42 <fatcat[m]> You don't need an account on fixedfloat.com
14:25:52 <moneromooo> The object packet size limit is 128 MB, which is more than the current overall limit at ~100 MB, so it's not that.
14:26:08 <moneromooo> The 100 blocks from the log add up to ~34 MB.
14:34:05 <selsta> moneromooo: maybe objects / fields / string limit?
14:34:28 <selsta> though I think we did it so that a ~10x growth would be fine
14:35:02 <moneromooo> As I said, my node's pruned there.
14:37:58 <moneromooo> Is yours ?
14:43:13 * moneromooo stops caring about this
14:45:17 <kiwi_94737> New idea for reducing MineXMRs hashrate (currently 40% of the network): https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lg4h0v/idea_to_better_distribute_moneros_hashrate_away/
15:57:20 <ktwo> Hi, can anyone recommend how to buy smaller amounts of monero safely ? im kinda new to cryptos in gerneral, preferably a way i can use Exodus as a wallet and without the chance of being scammed
16:01:56 <ComplyLast> ktwo, localmonero.co or kraken.com might be good options
16:03:56 <ktwo> ComplyLast Thanks
16:06:56 <ComplyLast> you're welcome
16:46:47 <mmxxx[m]> how long will my tx show pool 'locked'?
16:52:21 <moneromooo> Should be 10 blocks.
17:15:56 <Mochi101> moneromooo, I think I asked you this before but I can't 100% remember. If I run a pruned node and make it a public node is it handicapped at all?
17:17:07 <moneromooo> Not really.
17:17:46 <moneromooo> The one thing it cannot do is send back unpruned historical block/txes, but wallets don't ask for that.
17:18:20 <Mochi101> Is it only the post RingCT blocks that've been pruned?
17:19:04 <moneromooo> I think so. Can't recall for sure now.
17:19:21 <Mochi101> I'm asking because like it or not storage is still fairly expensive and I want to keep my costs under control but I want to run a public node.
17:19:33 <moneromooo> Ah, yes. rct only.
17:19:39 <Mochi101> ok
17:20:10 <moneromooo> It's possible to prune more, but the node would be less useful to others on P2P.
17:21:19 <Mochi101> I have both a pruned chain and a full chain locally... if I copy the chain and prune it again it'll be different than my other pruned chain right?
17:21:31 <moneromooo> Probably.
17:21:40 <Mochi101> ok
17:21:53 <moneromooo> It might pick the same eigth to prune. Probably won't.
17:22:06 <moneromooo> s/prune/keep/
17:22:58 <Mochi101> I see lately that the community really has a need for 'trusted' public nodes... I usually recommend node.xmr.to and node.supportxmr.com... would be nice if I could recommend my own.
17:24:10 <gingeropolous> home connection Mochi101 ?
17:24:24 <gingeropolous> make sure you don't have any data caps if thats the case
17:24:37 <Mochi101> gingeropolous, yeah but... stupid setup that doesn't allow me to open up an incoming connection
17:25:41 <gingeropolous> ah so your public node will be ... on a vps?
17:26:25 <Mochi101> yeah
17:27:02 <Mochi101> but I heard that sometimes there are problems with crashing when you run a node... so I want to keep it separate from my other site
19:10:36 <leonardus> Can anything be done with a wallet file password without having access to the wallet file?
19:14:16 <moneromooo> Nothing but smartarse replies.
19:17:45 <Mochi101> leonardus, not really... but you might want to transfer your funds to a different wallet just in case.
19:18:32 <leonardus> I was asking because I found a Monero entry in my password manager from 1-2 years ago but I think I only had a few dollars worth in it so it's no big deal if I can't recover it
19:19:39 <moneromooo> If it's a set of 24 or 25 words, it's enough to restore the wallet. If just a password, nope.
19:19:56 <leonardus> ah oh well then
19:20:12 <leonardus> maybe it's on one of my old hard drives I'll have to plug those in
20:34:49 <Kenalda> hiya!
20:35:12 <Kenalda> total noob at using monero
20:35:45 <Kenalda> installed the wallet last night and transfered my money out of binance
20:35:51 <Kenalda> it still hasnt arrived.
20:35:55 <Kenalda> whats that about?
20:36:35 <moneromooo> Is your daemon done syncing ?
20:36:46 <moneromooo> "status" will show.
20:36:47 <Kenalda> says its fully synced
20:37:02 <moneromooo> Is your wallet done scanning ? "status" will also show.
20:37:18 <Kenalda> wallet and daemon both synced
20:37:28 <moneromooo> Is the wallet monero-wallet-cli ?
20:37:48 <Kenalda> i have no idea
20:37:57 <Kenalda> downloaded the simple one from the monero page
20:38:06 <Kenalda> using it with a ledger
20:38:14 <moneromooo> Type "set", what is the value of "refresh-from-block-height".
20:40:10 <Kenalda> in the log?
20:40:17 <moneromooo> On the console output.
20:42:04 <Kenalda> yeah i have the gui wallet
20:42:33 <selsta> What does it say in Settings -> Info under wallet mode?
20:43:18 <Kenalda> 2293269
20:43:32 <selsta> wallet mode
20:43:52 <Kenalda> simple
20:44:08 <moneromooo> That's the refresh from block height ?
20:44:09 <selsta> ok and under wallet restore height?
20:44:23 <Kenalda> 2293269 (change)
20:44:40 <selsta> hmm did you change that number?
20:44:48 <Kenalda> nope
20:44:52 <moneromooo> That's *really* recent.
20:44:56 <moneromooo> As in, a few minutes ago.
20:45:10 <Kenalda> i only set it up last night
20:45:21 <selsta> try clicking on change and setting it to 2293000
20:45:28 <selsta> and then on ok twice
20:45:39 <selsta> wait for it to refresh and your funds should show up
20:45:41 <moneromooo> Maybe the wallet estimation is getting worse now. I'll check.
20:45:55 <selsta> gui has its own estimation code
20:46:02 <moneromooo> Oh. OK.
20:46:08 <moneromooo> (why ?)
20:46:19 <selsta> though it was a JS port of the same algorithm
20:46:24 <selsta> so they should be the same
20:47:48 <Ejderha[m]> <moneromooo "That's *really* recent."> How can you say that? A formula or smth?
20:48:01 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/blob/master/js/Wizard.js#L126
20:48:06 <Kenalda> its just sitting spinning on closing wallet. it did this last night now i remember
20:48:46 <selsta> worst case you can simply recreate the ledger wallet
20:49:04 <selsta> though changing it should also work if you wait a bit
20:49:20 <Ejderha[m]> <selsta "https://github.com/monero-projec"> Thanks^^
20:49:29 <moneromooo> It seems to be a couple days off only.
20:49:38 <moneromooo> Ejderha[m]: yes, formula if the deamon isn't online.
20:49:47 <Kenalda> perfect. thanks very much. makes sense. so my wallet was backing up from a point after the transaction was procesed?
20:50:19 <selsta> yes
20:50:49 <Kenalda> gotcha. cheers. would never have got there myself
20:51:18 <Ejderha[m]> Amazing people out here eh
20:51:23 <selsta> so did it work again?
20:51:41 <Kenalda> its still closing wallet but im hopeful. you sound like you know what your talking about
20:51:43 <Kenalda> :)
20:52:39 <selsta> that closing wallet thing should not take that long, worst case close the gui, reopen and restore your ledger wallet from height 2293000
20:53:02 <moneromooo> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/839b337e/ seems appropriate (not even built yet).
20:55:00 <Kenalda> have to restart.. ffs.
20:55:34 <blaeks[m]> I just hope everything will be alright when back
21:00:26 <Kenalda> 2293000
21:00:43 <Kenalda> thats what my refresh height should be?
21:00:59 <moneromooo> You want that to be a bit before the heiht when you sent that tx. 720 blocks per day.
21:01:07 <moneromooo> When did you send it ?
21:01:14 <Kenalda> last night
21:01:24 <moneromooo> So... 2292000 should be safe.
21:02:38 <moneromooo> xxx3000 would be too high, most likely.
21:07:01 <Kenalda> There it is!
21:07:10 <Kenalda> thanks guys
21:07:14 <Kenalda> sorted.
21:08:27 <Kenalda> thought id made a right mess of that cause when you press copy address button to receive, it copies over "monero:" with it
21:08:36 <Kenalda> which you then have to manually delete
21:08:48 <Kenalda> and i thought i may have deleted to many characters
21:09:44 <Kenalda> i had to do that cause when i scanne dthe QR code it was saying it wasnt a valid address
21:09:58 <moneromooo> Possibly because it has "monero:" in it.
21:09:59 <Kenalda> im assuming cause it was taking that extra bit over with it too
21:10:23 <moneromooo> It's meant to trigger some URI scheme demultiplexer somewhere.,
21:11:02 <Kenalda> defeats the point of having a QR code in the wallet though does it not?
21:11:14 <Kenalda> if its taking over invalid addresses?
21:11:42 <moneromooo> It's not an address, it's a URI.
21:11:47 <moneromooo> With the address in it.
21:12:00 <moneromooo> Now, I'm not sure what you were copying exactly.
21:12:17 <Kenalda> when i click on the receive thing
21:12:27 <Kenalda> it gives me threeoptions
21:12:51 <Kenalda> for the QR code
21:13:04 <Kenalda> and the primary address is sitting above it
21:13:11 <Kenalda> with a copy to clipboard thing
21:13:26 <Kenalda> so the QR code doesnt work when i scan it with binance
21:14:07 <Kenalda> ignore me
21:14:13 <Kenalda> ive just done it again
21:14:30 <Kenalda> it didnt bring the monero: thing across
21:14:44 <Kenalda> it must have still been in my clipboard from when i copied the QR code
21:15:02 <Kenalda> last night
21:16:00 <Kenalda> anywho. all sorted now. thanks for your help guys
21:20:19 <moneromooo> selsta: does the GUI also have a month off for safety ?
21:20:50 <moneromooo> If the daemon is not reachable, it does this in wallet2. And if it's reachable, it would not have had a height that high yesterday.
21:21:15 <moneromooo> Unless it's generated when connected to some asshole ofc.
21:22:10 <moneromooo> When generating a new wallet without daemon, I get 2269xxx here, which is nowhere near Kenalda's value.
21:22:17 <moneromooo> (with monero-wallet-cli though)
21:24:12 <Kenalda> my strange number may have been something to do with the wallet not shutting down correctly last night. so when i opened it up this evening it was the high value as selsta said was a couple of minutes ago
21:24:14 <Kenalda> ?
21:24:58 <Kenalda> i only installed it last night so techincally it would never have ran correctly
21:25:02 <moneromooo> It's generated when you create the wallet. Not shutting down correctly would not cause this.
21:25:07 <Kenalda> ahh
21:25:29 <Kenalda> well its as well you can change it manually then!
21:26:18 <moneromooo> Did you have the daemon running when you created that wallet ?
21:26:19 <Kenalda> you want me to creat another wallet and see what it says now?
21:26:24 <moneromooo> Sure.
21:27:07 <Kenalda> i was having a fair few problems as i had ledger live running at the same time and my ledger was pinging between the two of them
21:28:03 <Kenalda> 2272000
21:28:08 <moneromooo> That's good.
21:28:23 <Kenalda> although i created my other wallet from my ledger
21:28:31 <Kenalda> which was where i had the problems
21:28:47 <moneromooo> Not sure why it'd matter, but if this is the only difference, it might be that.
21:31:32 <Kenalda> 2272873 if i create a new wallet from the ledger again.
21:31:44 <Kenalda> who knows. seems to be grand now
21:31:56 <moneromooo> Alright, thanks for testing.
21:32:05 <Kenalda> no bother. thanks for sorting it
21:32:13 <Kenalda> see yas later
21:40:42 <goatyydstx> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
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