10:12:57 <styxx[m]> is someone using the ledger hardware wallet?
10:14:49 <sir_poppins[m]> i dont think you can have monero on the ledger wallet
10:14:49 <sir_poppins[m]> they say it will be coming soon
10:15:31 <styxx[m]> you can use it in combination with the monero wallet
10:17:40 <styxx[m]> those hardware wallet are a waste anyway
10:18:00 <styxx[m]>  * those hardware wallets are a waste anyway, dont even know why i bought one
10:20:27 <sir_poppins[m]> XD XD XD XD
10:58:37 <Ejderha[m]> <styxx[m] "those hardware wallet are a wast"> Why do you think so
11:00:51 <mmxxx[m]> <styxx[m] "those hardware wallet are a wast"> are you saying just ledger or all of them are a waste?
11:05:50 <mycorrhizae[m]> Ledger specifically
11:05:55 <mycorrhizae[m]> I got a blue
11:06:03 <mycorrhizae[m]> Should've kept the crypto
11:06:35 <mycorrhizae[m]> Its finicky. Just use mobile wallets and a paper wallet bank
11:07:11 <mycorrhizae[m]> You know what's better than carrying any amount of money in your pocket?  Carrying it in your head.
11:09:07 <charolastra> you can't make a backup of your head
11:09:41 <mmxxx[m]> a backup of your brain would be in written form...
11:09:49 <mmxxx[m]> might as well make it digital to begin with
11:12:01 <mycorrhizae[m]> I meant mnemonic
11:12:11 <mycorrhizae[m]> Just remember the seed
11:12:59 <dEBRUYNE> <sir_poppins[m]> they say it will be coming soon <= Link?
11:55:26 <Inge-> the nice thing with a Ledger / Trezor is that you can actually access your wallet, and spend from it, without exposing your private keys to a device exposed to malware
11:56:19 <Inge-> remembering a seed is nice, but you need to a) enter it into *some computer* to generate the address so you can send funds to it, and b) if you want to spend from it, you also need to "expose" it on a computer ...
12:01:59 <sir_poppins[m]> <dEBRUYNE "<sir_poppins[m]> they say it wil"> https://www.ledger.com/supported-crypto-assets/
12:02:49 <dEBRUYNE> You can use it with the GUI, yes
12:02:54 <dEBRUYNE> Not in Ledger Live as far as I can see
12:03:31 <sir_poppins[m]> :(
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19:36:50 <kltrpdupss> Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle.
19:37:15 <mmxxx[m]> o_0
19:37:39 <ndorf> what a way to spend one's time.
19:39:54 <oozebrood> wow
19:52:28 <styxx[m]> <mmxxx[m] "are you saying just ledger or al"> im only familiar with ledger - its unnecessary because you can just use a paper wallet instead
19:53:20 <styxx[m]> > <@mmxxx:matrix.org> are you saying just ledger or all of them are a waste?
19:53:20 <styxx[m]>  * im only familiar with ledger but others are the same probably - its unnecessary because you can just use a paper wallet instead
20:31:49 <ndorf> paper wallet can't replace a hardware wallet, the latter allows you to spend without revealing the private keys to the online computer.
20:38:20 <sech1> ndorf you can sign transactions on an offline computer and only expose public view key to an online computer
20:38:59 <ndorf> true, and i personally use a second computer, not a hardware wallet. but a hardware wallet is cheaper than a second computer :)
20:39:27 <sech1> Unless you already have old junk computer laying around
20:39:42 <ndorf> unless you're sick in the head like me and have around 12 old thinkpads lying around ;)
20:39:54 <sech1> Nope, only 3 computers and 2 laptops here
20:40:38 <vekin> wish i could throw away these laptops without working fans
20:40:44 <vekin> but... i could buy a new fan...
20:41:17 <ndorf> though personally i don't bother actually airgapping the "secure" computer, just don't run anything else or allow any unwanted connections.
20:43:07 <sech1> that still leaves you vulnerable to malicious updates
20:44:10 <ndorf> updates of what? the OS?
20:44:19 <sech1> is there any guide on how to create transactions for signing and then sign them on an airgapped computer?
20:44:21 <sech1> Yes, OS updates
20:45:10 <ndorf> assuming there is any need to update the OS in the first place, how is the risk greater than an airgapped machine that receives the same update from a USB disk or whatever?
20:45:14 <sech1> wallet updates are hopefully can be checked with hashes/PGP signatures
20:45:25 <ndorf> OS updates are definitely checked with PGP signatures
20:45:32 <sech1> airgapped machine can't leak private keys
20:46:14 <ndorf> that is of course true. i'm just confident enough that this machine won't leave my private keys
20:46:54 <ndorf> leak*
20:48:52 <ndorf> actually, an airgapped machine could still leak the private keys by encoding them into tx_extra or something, no?
20:50:24 <sech1> it depends on where tx_extra is generated
20:50:32 <sech1> I think it's generated before signing?
20:51:07 <sech1> But that's a valid vector of attack. If compromised airgapped machine can leak even 1 bit per tx, it can eventually leak everything
20:51:14 <moneromooo> It's generated by both. First by the hot wallet, then the entire tx is regenerated by the cold wallet.
20:51:17 <ndorf> yeah but how would you ever notice? it's usually random and not displayed before confirming the tx?
20:51:37 <moneromooo> The hot wallet can't really re-check hte cold wallet used the same extra, since it's deemed pwned.
20:52:24 <moneromooo> But even then, malware could use something else, like leak bits via other bits like keys. Though not 32 bytes at a time probably.
20:52:44 <moneromooo> Still, checking extra is identical modulo tx key is maybe a good idea...
20:53:13 <sech1> so is there a guide somewhere how to setup view-only wallet + airgapped wallet for signing?
20:53:18 <ndorf> i believe so
20:54:51 <ndorf> i can't find it now, but i thought i'd seen that on getmonero.org before
20:54:54 <moneromooo> Search monero.stackexchange.com, it's got one.
21:42:50 <geonic> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2160/how-do-i-use-cold-transaction-signing
22:20:26 <MindDrips> Hello, I was wondering if I can receive some assistance with a wallet issue that I have?  Thanks
22:34:38 <mfoolb> MindDrips: ask away.. someone will get to you
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22:47:34 <MindDrips> Well it’s a classic case of not being able to access my wallet. I don’t have the seed phrase but I do have the .key files. The password I’m using is not accepted, which then prompted me to try every single password that I use across all databases and devices. I seem to have “A” private spend key but I’m not completely sure if it’s
22:47:34 <MindDrips> related to the wallet or not. The time stamp matches the creation date of the wallet so I’m assuming its indeed related to the wallet that I can’t seem to access. Thanks for your help!
22:49:17 <neetpill[m]> How are my fellow Monero Chads feeling this fine evening
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22:50:30 <MindDrips> Well, thanks
22:50:30 <mycorrhizae[m]> I dont feel so good bros
22:50:48 <mycorrhizae[m]> How are you
23:02:38 <mycorrhizae[m]> So the xmrig will not tell me when I've successfully been awarded. It will just go to my account
23:09:27 <styxx[m]> <mycorrhizae[m] "So the xmrig will not tell me wh"> it depends on the mining pool - your statistics should show up on their homepage
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