02:26:37 <styxx[m]> https://cryptopotato.com/privacy-coin-firo-formerly-known-as-zcoin-suffering-a-51-attack/
03:03:20 <angrymonkeyboi[m> again?
03:03:51 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Nope, news from two weeks ago
03:34:18 <shabash0> hi my monero client is stuck on 46 blocks remaining
03:38:06 <nioc> very rarely that has happened to me
03:38:10 <nioc> I exited and restarted
03:38:39 <nioc> did you check that you have the correct target?
03:38:48 <nioc> from a block explorer
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09:17:44 <pav_> Hello everyone, I invite you to mine with us: \_DO OK MONERO MINING\_WebUI: xmr.dook.xyz Pool: dook.xyz:4242
11:52:36 <zoimxdgflwy> Why are you here? For the tech? Then you should be off at Zcash instead of trying to con newbies into a coin that doesn't work. For the money? If you put your money in BTC or ETH you would have been better off. For the magical crypto friends? Monero leadership laughs from losers like that. Find yourself more healthy realationships that don't laugh at you when they steal your money.
11:56:01 <tmsufzhlf> Why are you here? For the tech? Then you should be off at Zcash instead of trying to con newbies into a coin that doesn't work. For the money? If you put your money in BTC or ETH you would have been better off. For the magical crypto friends? Monero leadership laughs from losers like that. Find yourself more healthy realationships that don't laugh at you when they steal your money.
12:14:17 <hv-bridge> <ADX> Dafuc is with this spam
12:16:19 <mmxxx[m]> Wownero weirdos
12:22:45 <ErCiccione[m]> Why didn't we close the possibility for tor users to write on freenode unless voiced like it was proposed time ago? This spam has been ongoing for months.
12:24:17 <charolastra> afaik they aren't tor users
13:11:42 <ErCiccione[m]> then that's probably the reason :P
13:50:22 <Inge-> It is funny this talk about the ledger that must be kept around. As if any ledgers in traditional finance ever truly disappears
19:07:19 <DubstepCraig> Is it possible to create disposable addresses using the monero wallet rpc?
19:07:53 <DubstepCraig> Whenever I've googled it, it's come up with math problems that I don't understand.
19:07:53 <Quotes> But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
19:09:01 <ndorf> DubstepCraig: create_address https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#create_address
19:10:18 <DubstepCraig> I think I worded that wrong sorry, I'm trying to create stealth addresses
19:10:32 <DubstepCraig> Is this the same thing?
19:10:59 <ndorf> ah, sorry. stealth addresses are something that's created under the hood when you make a transaction. you don't create them manually
19:11:17 <DubstepCraig> Oh I see
19:12:14 <DubstepCraig> How about deleting addresses once you've received the payment?
19:12:28 <DubstepCraig> Deleting as in, from the wallet.
19:12:43 <DubstepCraig> I don't see any RPC function for that.
19:13:15 <ndorf> there's no way to delete them, not sure why you'd want to do that?
19:13:55 <DubstepCraig> Because wouldn't you be storing proof of transaction on the PC?
19:14:18 <DubstepCraig> Which seems unnecessary to me.
19:14:24 <sethsimmons> You're always able to prove transactions from the seed/private keys.
19:14:27 <ndorf> they're deterministic, so deleting them wouldn't help with that. anyone with access to the seed (store on yuour PC) can recreate them
19:14:35 <sethsimmons> Doesn't matter what you store or not store on the PC.
19:14:51 <DubstepCraig> Interesting
19:17:36 <DubstepCraig> What's currently the most trusted site for buying monero for though who don't have the capacity to mine it?
19:17:46 <DubstepCraig> those*
19:18:03 <sethsimmons> Depends on your threat model, but I'd recommend avoiding KYC and use something like LocalMonero.co
19:18:15 <DubstepCraig> KYC?
19:18:20 <sethsimmons> Or if you have BTC already and want to trade for Monero, maybe Bisq
19:18:30 <DubstepCraig> yeah I have BTC
19:18:38 <sethsimmons> "Know Your Customer", it's where you have to give up all of your personally identifying information to the exchange.
19:18:42 <DubstepCraig> Would that be better in terms of fees?
19:19:04 <DubstepCraig> Gotcha
19:19:06 <ndorf> best fees are probably Kraken, that requires KYC though
19:19:10 <sethsimmons> Generally no.
19:19:33 <sethsimmons> You get a "discount" to give up all of your PII and use a centralized exchange.
19:19:47 <sethsimmons> Not worth it IMO, but Kraken has been good for me in the past if you're ok with that.
19:19:54 <ndorf> or, if you're not in the US, then Binance. KYC may or may not be required depending on volume, weather, etc
19:20:21 <DubstepCraig> I have a binance account but they don't entertain Monero
19:20:29 <sethsimmons> Binance US?
19:20:32 <sethsimmons> They do not.
19:20:32 <DubstepCraig> UK
19:20:42 <sethsimmons> Hmm, thought it was just restricted in US
19:20:46 <mmxxx[m]> kek
19:20:54 <mmxxx[m]> UK is US jr with the fuckery
19:21:09 <DubstepCraig> lol
19:21:35 <sethsimmons> If you have Bitcoin I'd highly recommend Bisq.
19:21:40 <DubstepCraig> yeah cool
19:21:51 <sethsimmons> https://bisq.network/
19:34:02 <mmxxx[m]> does bisq have any competition?
19:34:17 <sethsimmons> Not for BTC<>XMR
19:35:45 <sethsimmons> Aren't many truly p2p exchanges.
19:37:34 <ndorf> atomic swaps soon
19:38:06 <sethsimmons> Hell yes.
19:39:02 <DubstepCraig> atomic swaps?
19:45:09 <mmxxx[m]> <ndorf "atomic swaps soon"> soon TM?
19:45:36 <ndorf> Real Soon Now (tm)
19:45:59 <ndorf> DubstepCraig: atomic swaps are a work-in-progress that will allow you to exchange XMR<->BTC with anyone directly in a trustless fashion
19:54:02 <WhiteNoise[m]> Hi, is it sufficient to gave any given wallet in order to receive monero?
19:54:18 <WhiteNoise[m]> * Hi, is it sufficient to have any given wallet in order to receive monero?
19:54:21 <sethsimmons> Can you rephrase the question?
19:54:29 <sethsimmons> Not sure what is meant.
19:54:51 <WhiteNoise[m]> Okay so say I have a edge wallet
19:55:23 <WhiteNoise[m]> Is it possible to send/receive monero
19:55:30 <WhiteNoise[m]> ?
19:55:45 <sethsimmons> If Edge supports Monero, sure (not sure if it does or not).
19:56:05 <sethsimmons> It appears to: https://edge.app/monero-wallet/
19:56:47 <WhiteNoise[m]> > If Edge supports Monero, sure (not sure if it does or not).
19:56:47 <WhiteNoise[m]> It does support a number including monero
19:57:13 <sethsimmons> If you knew it does I don't really understand the original question then.
19:57:22 <sethsimmons> What are you trying to accomplish or figure out?
19:58:05 <WhiteNoise[m]> Im knew to crypto....so wanted to make sure I didnt need to download a specific monero aop
19:58:16 <WhiteNoise[m]> * Im knew to crypto....so wanted to make sure I didnt need to download a specific monero app
19:58:47 <sethsimmons> If the wallet you likes supports it, then I assume it would work. But you can also use any of the recommended wallets like the "official" GUI or CLI wallet, Feather wallet, Cake Wallet (iOS/Android), or Monerujo (Android).
20:00:08 <WhiteNoise[m]> The privacy features of monero...will they apply if using an app other than official ones?
20:01:17 <WhiteNoise[m]> I had problems signing up for /via Monero  app
20:05:59 <moneromooo> If you can get an address that's 93 characters long, only digits and letters, and starts with a 4, it's pretty likely you can receive monero there.
20:06:08 <moneromooo> There are other address types, but this is the most common atm.
20:07:13 <moneromooo> Privacy... that's a bit more complicated. Theoretically, it applies to any monero code, but you can do damn stupid stuff that breaks privacy.
20:07:45 <moneromooo> For example, some idiot could make rings that always include inputs 0 through 9, then yours. It'd then be blindingly obvious which input is the real one.
20:07:54 <kesha[m]> Hello guys
20:08:03 <moneromooo> Now that sounds stupid, but someone somewhere actually did a similar thing, so...
20:08:40 <moneromooo> But short of someone writing their own low level code and doing something stupid like this, privacy applies to all monero wallets.
20:08:49 <moneromooo> (stupid or malicious)
20:09:04 <WhiteNoise[m]> > If you can get an address that's 93 characters long, only digits and letters, and starts with a 4, it's pretty likely you can receive monero there.
20:09:04 <WhiteNoise[m]> Yeap 👌🏻
20:10:01 <moneromooo> And of course it's cryptocurrency so there's no shortage of assholes trying to get your money or lie to you about whatever, so some wallets will actually steal your money. I believe there's a list of known ones on reddit somewhere.
20:10:47 <WhiteNoise[m]> Trying to not get scammed 😄
20:10:49 <moneromooo> Freewallet is one name I remember. Don't use that.
20:11:22 <WhiteNoise[m]> Got a link for the reddit list?
20:11:24 <moneromooo> And anything called mymonero that's not mymonero.com. Lots of lookalikes.
20:11:26 <moneromooo> No.
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20:12:17 <WhiteNoise[m]> Yeah I've noticed the mymonero...I follow links from official/reputable sites
20:13:05 <WhiteNoise[m]> Would you say that wallets found on app stores are generally safe?
20:13:11 <endogenic> no
20:13:12 <ndorf> no
20:13:20 <WhiteNoise[m]> 😬
20:13:42 <WhiteNoise[m]> Still a chance of getting hood winked?
20:13:43 <ndorf> especially not from google's app store
20:14:00 <WhiteNoise[m]> <ndorf "especially not from google's app"> Why do you say that?
20:14:06 <endogenic> WhiteNoise[m]: if you deposit 1 xmr to this address i will tell you whatever you want
20:14:45 <ndorf> google play for sure has fake/scam wallet apps. it takes longer to take them down than it stays down for
20:15:19 <WhiteNoise[m]> What about fdroid?
20:15:43 <endogenic> it's better to find a reputable group first and then find the download link that way
20:16:02 <WhiteNoise[m]> I've looked up cake walk wallet ...search brings up a wallet with 10k+ downloads
20:16:06 <ndorf> i wouldn't install anything from any app store unless you followed an authenticated link directly from the developer
20:16:08 <endogenic> cake walk lol
20:16:23 <WhiteNoise[m]> Cake wallet
20:16:26 <WhiteNoise[m]> Oops
20:16:36 <WhiteNoise[m]> 🙄
20:16:37 <endogenic> not the first time i've seen that
20:16:43 <moneromooo> Cake wallet is good AFAIK. Assuming no lookalike. Also Feather and monerujo.
20:17:23 <WhiteNoise[m]> Monerujo im fine with..ive eard of it
20:17:34 <ndorf> monerujo has their own custom fdroid repository
20:19:30 <WhiteNoise[m]> I had coinbase + blockchain but I dont like then...they moving like side show bob
20:19:41 <WhiteNoise[m]> * I had coinbase + blockchain but I dont like them...they moving like side show bob
20:19:42 <ndorf> coinbase doesn't support monero
20:20:12 <WhiteNoise[m]> Yeah its naff wallet anyway
23:10:59 <modul8[m]> exchanges should provide a list of reputable wallets for all coins. but then that would be against their interest..maybe localmo could do it for monero
23:47:11 <angrymonkeyboi[m> If I ran an exchange, I wouldn't do that. It would open them up to massive and unnecessary liability. If the wallet maker steals coins, people can sue the exchange for recommending their customers use it