00:38:26 <Alabalistic> nice night everyone, need some help here, I'm new to mining monero, and I have more then one computer mining in the same pool with same wallet. I'm wondering if this is the best practice, ot proxy is needed
00:39:33 <Alabalistic> setup is a VM with 6KH, Laptop 0.7KH and periodicly another 7KH rig
00:41:15 <Alabalistic> there is one more 2KH which can be added in, thanks in advance going to bed and all advice will be appriciated.  Thanks
00:48:03 <moneromooo> AFAIK a proxy is just when you have many miners.
00:48:40 <moneromooo> People in #monero-pools will know best.
03:05:39 <ullbeking> i'm installing monero-cli, and bootstrapping the download of the blockchain.  is there an alternative to downloading over my ISP connection?
03:06:16 <ullbeking> i've dedicated a whole 1 TB SSD to this project
03:07:48 <ullbeking> thank you  :D
03:09:41 <sethsimmons> <ullbeking "i'm installing monero-cli, and b"> Going to need more detail -- you'll have to download it over some internet connection, which normally is via your ISP. Are you asking if you can do it over Tor or something?
03:09:57 <sethsimmons> That still goes via your ISP connection which is why the question is confusing 🙂
04:58:11 <ullbeking> sethsimmons: i was getting at mediums like usb sticks or CD-R's, which obviously would have to be signed and verified.  but i just realized that I do have access to an Internet connection that /may/ work out well for me.
07:05:13 <angrymonkeyboi[m> How can businesses accept monero as payment for subscription services?
07:05:29 <angrymonkeyboi[m> has anyone tackled this problem  in the community, yet?
07:07:38 <sir_poppins[m]> <angrymonkeyboi[m "has anyone tackled this problem "> you need to contact a service provider that will give you the option to accept  crypt  as payment
07:08:58 <angrymonkeyboi[m> sir_poppins: What I mean is, with CC, you can periodically charge the user money. i.e every month.  You can't do that with crypto. So, how are subscriptions handled?
07:10:31 <sir_poppins[m]> got you :)
07:10:31 <sir_poppins[m]> sorry don't know
07:14:30 <duso> So now that r/wallstreetbets is pumping xrp I intent to dump my bags into more monero but monero has been delisted here in Australia - so the same old question again, how do I convert my XRP to XMR? Uniswap? Is there some preferred DEX I probably have not heard of? XO? 1inch?
07:21:54 <sech1> duso you'll need to convert to BTC first and then use Bisq (decentralized) or TradeOgre (no KYC for BTC/XMR conversions)
07:36:49 <modul8[m]> duso are you contacting exchanges that you are interested in monero so they know there is demand?
07:37:49 <modul8[m]> bisq is great if you are not a total noob.
07:41:39 <modul8[m]> great because your coins are not at risk like a normal exchange
07:45:44 <dEBRUYNE> duso: Should also be able to use Binance
07:46:22 <modul8[m]> wonder if atomic swaps helps with tax issues as currently aud -> btc -xmr exchanged immediately after getting btc  is still a tax event.  dont atomically in one operation, not sure?
07:59:23 <angrymonkeyboi[m> Sorry if silly question, why should one use Bisque if one can use xmr.to / changenow?    (for non-fiat exchanges)
08:04:23 <modul8[m]> you give them coins then they may not send you coins you want back for x reason, good luck chasing them. go down, hacked, scam exit. with bisq btc is locked by both parties, they use bitcoin multisig feature that requires permission/sign off from  both parties involved in the trade. look it up plenty of vids and doco out there. its free to "sign up" except for your time
08:20:06 <duso> I like the idea of bisq, in a trustless peer to peer monetry system it does not seem right that I send my funds to this dex address and *hope* that the funds get deposited into new blockchain address.
08:31:29 <modul8[m]> read about how it works, i cant explain it properly, its not as simple as that. you can play around with it with a small amount and see how it works.
08:49:15 <Inge-> atomic swaps will be a game changer for trustless btc<-->xmr (and likely xmr<-->*) - but unlikely to help out much regarding taxable events
08:55:10 <sech1> Does it matter if you swap btc->xmr immediately? Just one more line in tax declaration, price doesn't change much in 20-30 minutes
09:00:00 <modul8[m]> true
09:41:29 <Inge-> not more than $4500 thus far in the cycle
14:56:34 <enjin[m]> hi
14:58:42 <donkeydonkey[m]> good day
14:58:44 <sethsimmons> Wow: xmr.to/blog/job-done
14:58:54 <sethsimmons> Time to ramp up pushing for merchant adoption.
14:59:08 <donkeydonkey[m]> yep. thats what im working on
15:38:13 <testnetwork[m]> Hi all, I've just initiated sending monero to my hardware wallet but I chose "Automatic" fees. The fee was 0.00001147 xmr. It's been an hour and I still don't have a single confirmation on the transaction. Do any of you know how long it should take for the transaction to go through?
15:40:21 <testnetwork[m]> When I looked up the transaction on the blockchain it said it couldn't locate it. And I'm nervous because I've got an okay amount of monero in my hot wallet that I don't want to be locked up indefinitely. I'm still waiting for the first of ten confirmations. Thanks in advance to any of you who can help.
15:41:17 <testnetwork[m]> I meant my node, not my hot wallet. Anyway my point is I'm kind of anxious because I'm still waiting for it to go through.
15:41:47 <selsta> testnetwork[m]: can you enter the txid on xmrchain.net ?
15:41:48 <charolastra> well, it's only on the blockchain once a miner put it there. dunno how long it usually takes but 0.00001147 xmr sounds very little
15:42:17 <testnetwork[m]> I know. I chose automatic fees and it came up with 0.00001147. Ai-ai-ai
15:43:10 <testnetwork[m]> Hold on Selsta I'll try to look it up. Thanks
15:43:13 <testnetwork[m]> Nope. It doesn't see the transaction :(
15:43:57 <testnetwork[m]> I wanted to use the monero today too. I'm hoping it won't get locked up for an indefinite amount of time. 1 hour so far and still not a single confirmation.
15:45:15 <moneromooo> This looks like a plausible fee for a 1 input tx.
15:45:25 <moneromooo> There are two possibilities:
15:46:00 <moneromooo> 1 - the tx was relayed to other peers, in which case it might be timing out due to dandelion stem phase
15:46:01 <testnetwork[m]> Ok
15:46:09 <testnetwork[m]> Ok
15:46:32 <moneromooo> 2 - it was not relayed (maybe transient network error), in which case your daemon will re-relay after 4 hours (or earlier is asked for a txpool set).
15:46:49 <moneromooo> What you can do right now is, in monerod: print_tx TXID (replace TXID with the actual txid)
15:47:11 <testnetwork[m]> I'm not using the terminal. I'm using the GUI. You'll have to bear with me.
15:47:12 <moneromooo> It will tell you if it knows of the tx, and if it's been relayed (well, if there was an attempt)
15:47:13 <testnetwork[m]> And thank you.
15:47:28 <moneromooo> You can enter daemon commands in the GUI settings page IIRC.
15:47:51 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, so hold on. I'm trying to find where I enter the daemon commands in the GUI settings.
15:48:01 <moneromooo> Dandelion timeout should not be one hour though, so we're in case 2 most liekly.
15:48:20 <selsta> testnetwork[m]: which version are you using?
15:48:21 <testnetwork[m]> Where do I do that?
15:48:30 <selsta> also you can enter commands on Settings -> Log
15:48:54 <testnetwork[m]> 0.17.1.9
15:49:21 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, thanks. I'm going to try to enter the commands in Settings > Log
15:49:41 <testnetwork[m]> Aha! Now I see the command field
15:51:29 <testnetwork[m]> Okay so it says: >>> print_tx 8c1f748550c61eb5ce405d5a302f9f1d379c1e88ef496f6e1fc118db73886467
15:51:29 <testnetwork[m]> [2/1/21 7:51 AM] 2021-02-01 15:50:59.515 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.9-release)
15:51:29 <testnetwork[m]> Found in pool
15:52:14 <selsta> try the relay_tx txid command
15:52:18 <testnetwork[m]> So am I getting warmer? Does it look like the tx should be floating around in there somewhere? How long will it probably take?
15:52:32 <testnetwork[m]> okay I'm going to try the relay_tx command. Thanks
15:53:10 <moneromooo> Try: "print_pool_sh", then check whether "relayed" has a recent past timestamp, and "do_not_relay" is F.
15:53:25 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, cool. "Transaction successfully relayed"
15:53:28 <moneromooo> Also the value of "double_spend_seen", just in case.
15:53:34 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, I'll try that.
15:53:45 <moneromooo> Ignore my previous line then, it'll hav ebeen reset when you relayed.
15:54:09 <testnetwork[m]> ok
15:54:27 <moneromooo> I have your tx in my txpool now. I did not have it before.
15:54:39 <moneromooo> So it's looking like some transient network problem.
15:54:43 <testnetwork[m]> Nice
15:54:48 <testnetwork[m]> Well the first part is nice lol
15:55:06 <moneromooo> Unclear why, since if it timed out originally it should have re-broadcast it after a few minutes...
15:56:10 <testnetwork[m]> I know I used OpenNIC servers for my DNS and they timed out. I had to add some other DNS servers. Don't know if that might have anything to do with it.
15:56:41 <testnetwork[m]> Will it rebroadcast though? I have more than $50 in there and I was planning on taking it out. So it's making me nervous.
15:56:45 <moneromooo> No, P2P does not rely on DNS.
15:57:09 <moneromooo> Your tx has been relayed to other peers now. It'll get mined, assuming it's not a double spend, etc.
15:57:19 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, cool.
15:57:42 <testnetwork[m]> I just wanted to cash some of it out to pay some of my credit card bills today lol
15:58:20 <testnetwork[m]> I'm nervous because I remember one time a transaction was stuck in Bisq for 3 weeks
15:58:30 <testnetwork[m]> Worst three weeks of 2020, even worse than the pandemic lol
16:00:15 <moneromooo> About the "transient network problem": Theoretically, it could be that you were connected to zero good nodes. There are a number of nodes owned by some jerk would likes to try and mess things up for people. If you end up with only those in your peers, they ignore txes IIRC.
16:00:56 <moneromooo> You can't know whether that was the case at the time, but you can run wuth --enable-dns-blocklist to ignore those nodes in the future.
16:01:32 <moneromooo> Alternatively, you might have been disconnected by your ISP for a short time, or had started monerod recently and it did not have time to find peers yet.
16:01:33 <testnetwork[m]> Okay, I did do the --ban-list block_tor.txt after I downloaded that blocklist earlier and hopefully that might do the trick
16:01:51 <moneromooo> That should do the same, so the jerk was not the problem then.
16:02:13 <moneromooo> Long shot, but it happened before :)
16:02:20 <testnetwork[m]> My network did disconnect at some point earlier. Will it still find the tx if I was briefly disconnected?
16:02:32 <testnetwork[m]> And how long should it take to find the tx?
16:02:34 <selsta> testnetwork[m]: which wallet mode are you using? You can check in settings -> Info
16:02:44 <moneromooo> If you sent your tx at the disconnection time, it's still in your daemon, but would not have been sent to others.
16:02:58 <moneromooo> So relay_tx would send it again, which is what you did and it fixed it.
16:03:18 <moneromooo> The tx would otherwise have been re-relayed automaticaly after 4 hours. Or 2. Not sure.
16:03:41 <testnetwork[m]> Well I was sending to a view-only wallet. When I hooked up the Trezor wallet to my machine and looked in the transactions it did actually show that the monero was received.
16:03:54 <testnetwork[m]> Just 0 confirmations
16:03:56 <moneromooo> When relaying, there is no check for success (ie, the peer does not reply "got it"). So transient errors like this are not detected.
16:04:09 <testnetwork[m]> Okay
16:05:22 <testnetwork[m]> So, anyway, I had the monero in my full node, and was trying to send it to my cold storage. And I'm pretty sure choosing the "Automatic" fee is what made things all wonky.
16:06:12 <testnetwork[m]> It took a small while for the node to calculate that fee. (Bad node! No soup for you! lol :P )
16:06:45 <testnetwork[m]> YES!! I have a confirmation!
16:06:48 <testnetwork[m]> Problem solved. You are awesome!
16:07:34 <testnetwork[m]> Thanks so much MoneroMooo. Sending a virtual hug your way lol
16:09:55 <testnetwork[m]> Anyway, I'm gonna go get some breakfast. You rock! Have an awesome day 😀
20:28:45 <noeatnosleep> do we have a bot in here?
20:28:54 <noeatnosleep> For checking current prices, and such?
20:30:19 <sethsimmons> There are bots in #moneromarkets:matrix.org
20:30:25 <noeatnosleep> oh, neat
20:30:26 <noeatnosleep> =D
20:30:32 <sethsimmons> And that is more price-oriented, if that's what you're interested in :)
20:30:51 <noeatnosleep> That's not actually what I'm interested in, but I do also like to play with bots =P
20:31:13 <sethsimmons> Well thats the bot place either way :P
20:31:20 <noeatnosleep> cheers!
20:31:37 <noeatnosleep> It's nice that you responded so quickly, I was prepared to come back in a few days to check for an answer, heh
20:31:57 <sethsimmons> This place stays pretty active, thankfully!
20:32:55 <noeatnosleep> matrix just split off and come back or something?
20:33:38 <sethsimmons> Not sure what you mean.
20:35:55 <noeatnosleep> sethsimmons: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7MvAWhGq/image.png
20:49:52 <sethsimmons> Possibly, I hide join/quit notifications because they're so noisy in large channels like this.
21:00:21 <styxx[m]> <testnetwork[m] "I'm nervous because I remember o"> the fees for trades are too high on bisq
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21:01:13 <archonhabib[m]> please join, and check it https://coin-mining-farm.com/join/HC39n1611826687
21:01:30 <sethsimmons> That has nothing to do with Monero, please take that spam elsewhere.
21:01:47 <archonhabib[m]> no dirty please
21:01:47 <sethsimmons> <archonhabib[m] "https://coin-mining-farm.com/joi"> ErCiccione: can you delete please?
21:01:53 <archonhabib[m]> have u link monero
21:02:02 <archonhabib[m]> i want join refferal link url
21:03:57 <styxx[m]> what are you talking about
21:03:58 <styxx[m]> lol
21:04:33 <archonhabib[m]> what is monero?
21:08:03 <sethsimmons> Just ignore him.
21:23:59 <agentpatience007> lol
21:25:19 <refactor_ring[m]> Somebody just give him a referral link, everybody deserves some monero shares
21:39:29 <agentpatience007> How come hes not being banned for being stupid?
22:13:43 <Monegro> Yall wana hear something particularly fucked up?
22:14:31 <Monegro> Bittrex created a GMEUSDT pair, has been active for 2 days now
22:14:35 <Monegro> https://www.trustnodes.com/2021/01/29/bittrex-lists-tokenized-gme-amc-nok-bb
22:14:55 <Monegro> I'm sure that this is like, totally, 100% not illegal trading of unregistered securities or anything
22:19:27 <UkoeHB> ooh illegal trading.. scary
22:19:55 <moneromooo> Right there will illegal gambling, thinking and talking.
22:27:58 <UkoeHB> I feel society crumbling around us
22:30:07 <ndorf> the same bittrex which just delisted monero this month? what a joke
22:33:03 <sech1> ndorf check your calender, it's February here already :D
22:33:38 <ndorf> damn, really? where does the time go
22:33:57 <nioc> I am currently in 1971
22:33:58 <ndorf> bittrex still a joke tho.
22:34:11 <ndorf> will still be a joke in march.
22:43:23 <Monegro> it's not that I care much about "illegal trading" (because apparently the laws don't apply to places like RobinHood)
22:44:11 <Monegro> it's that yeah, the same shitcoin exchange who delisted XMR over allegedly regulatory fud, is doing something which is likely 100% actually against the law, unlike listing Monero
22:46:12 <gingeropolous> <UkoeHB> I feel society crumbling around us >>. indeed. 40k bitcoin is great and all. but 40k bitcoin (and possibly higher) means that. ... uh.... the system is changing
22:51:40 <ullbeking[m]> i'm looking for folks who are interesting in exploring the possibility of using monero, btc, or whatever as one tool as a fight for socialism and eventually communism.  does anybody know where these discussions happen?
22:56:20 <mmxxx[m]> what?
23:02:01 <vekin> lol dude communism doesn't work :|
23:02:04 <vekin> gl with that
23:03:25 <refactor_ring[m]> How would you see that as a tool yourself ?
23:04:34 <ullbeking[m]> refactor_ring: it might be interpreted as a factor in the means of production
23:04:39 <vekin> probably funding "freedom fighters"
23:05:13 <ullbeking[m]> i'm looking for intelligent discussion, not trolling
23:05:47 <vekin> i mean... an intelligent person would realise immediately that all forms of communism have failed miserably and ended in untold human suffering
23:05:51 <vekin> so bringint it up to me is trolling
23:06:51 <vekin> philisophically great, but in practice not so much
23:07:46 <vekin> its also super off topic so ima stfu
23:09:24 <refactor_ring[m]> Ah well it was something else then then number go up
23:09:56 <vekin> i can't imagine he was serious but if he was I probably pissed him off
23:10:14 <refactor_ring[m]> Ha I would think so
23:20:55 <WhiteNoise[m]> Hi...monero wallets are toppable with prepaid cards right?
23:21:16 <sech1> Wrong
23:22:06 <WhiteNoise[m]> <sech1 "Wrong"> Not?
23:22:32 <mycorrhizae[m]> They aren't
23:22:57 <WhiteNoise[m]> Any wallets that are?
23:25:41 <mycorrhizae[m]> It's mostly impossible to buy crypto with prepaid credit
23:26:04 <mycorrhizae[m]> If you're looking for anonymity, cashbymail.
23:27:38 <mmxxx[m]> has anyone here actually done that? cash by mail?
23:28:56 <refactor_ring[m]> Don't know about xmr but do know about adult sites which have done that for years
23:29:04 <ndorf> not me, but there are many posts on localmonero.co advertising cash for mail trades
23:29:11 <ndorf> i assume they wouldn't bother if no one ever took them up on it
23:29:52 <ndorf> obviously you can also exchange your cash face-to-face if there is a seller in your area
23:30:56 <WhiteNoise[m]> > If you're looking for anonymity, cashbymail.
23:30:56 <WhiteNoise[m]> There are bitcoin kiosks about too
23:31:37 <WhiteNoise[m]> * > If you're looking for anonymity, cashbymail.
23:31:37 <WhiteNoise[m]> There are bitcoin ATMs about too
23:31:37 <mmxxx[m]> btc atm and then btc for xmr?
23:31:44 <ndorf> mmxxx[m]: yep
23:32:04 <WhiteNoise[m]> Btc
23:32:04 <WhiteNoise[m]> Not sure about xmr
23:32:05 <jonathancross> https://bisq.network
23:32:05 <WhiteNoise[m]> you can search up locations
23:32:08 <mmxxx[m]> good link jonf3n
23:32:17 <mmxxx[m]> should always mention bisq
23:32:21 <WhiteNoise[m]> You get pubs, stores doing atms
23:32:35 <mmxxx[m]> not anymore...
23:32:43 <WhiteNoise[m]> Bisq any good?
23:32:54 <mmxxx[m]> it was, i haven't used it in a while
23:33:00 <mmxxx[m]> decent rates for xmr
23:33:08 <mmxxx[m]> terrible rates for everything else
23:33:11 <jonathancross> <WhiteNoise[m] "Bisq any good?"> Works well for XMR.
23:33:26 <WhiteNoise[m]> How is exchange done?
23:33:36 <archonhabib[m]> i want to talk what is XMR
23:33:56 <ndorf> archonhabib[m]: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero/
23:38:19 <WhiteNoise[m]> Bisq uses a escrow type mechanism
23:38:24 <WhiteNoise[m]> Interesting
23:39:26 <jonathancross> <sethsimmons "Wow: xmr.to/blog/job-done"> Damn.... Need those atomic swaps ASAP.
23:41:03 <UkoeHB> wait how is money suddenly a tool for promoting socialism? I am blown away
23:43:35 <ThaHandyman> Money is just one of those things like chairs
23:43:41 <ThaHandyman> Always been around
23:44:49 <archonhabib[m]> i want to regist, please share your link url
23:45:34 <UkoeHB> sure... but iirc socialists aren't big fans of money because they want to perform economic calculation 'ad hoc'
23:46:08 <UkoeHB> not that socialism is well defined.. idk
23:46:37 <Monegro> yeah that's the problem with these sorts of debates. More than half of it is arguing about who's definition is correct
23:47:09 <Monegro> I recommend that we just stop with it. If you have some sort of ideal for a voluntary commune where a bunch of people get together to share vegetables on a farm, cool
23:47:39 <Monegro> Generally speaking, attempting to take over the govt almost always ends badly, and with less freedom for everyone
23:48:32 <UkoeHB> yes I just wanted to express my amazement :p
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23:51:01 <selsta> archonhabib[m]: please stop spamming ref links
23:51:59 <archonhabib[m]> sorry  selsta