00:05:23 <bishgens[m]> i will try remote node first. feel bad for downloading 30gb over Tor
00:09:00 <bishgens[m]> https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Monero#Remote_Node_Security_and_Privacy_Considerations
00:09:00 <bishgens[m]> i will take my chances
00:19:48 <bishgens[m]> great. i am running with remote node now. how much data is being downloaded? it says 20 million wallet blocks remaining
00:25:58 <bishgens[m]> uh wait
00:34:25 <moneromooo> If you're using one with tor, it's not too bad. It can just DoS you really.
00:43:22 <bishgens[m]> not having much luck with the main one mentioned here. I'll keep trying various .onion nodes https://moneroworld.com/#nodes
00:50:17 <bishgens[m]> f*ck it, i will just run my own
02:06:57 <sethsimmons> <bishgens[m] "not having much luck with the ma"> https://sethsimmons.me/about/#high-performance-monero-nodes
02:07:04 <sethsimmons> Three high performance onion nodes there.
04:26:48 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1355364987183788034
04:27:21 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> Easier for newcomers to install grapheneos now. Remember they accept monero donations!
04:27:50 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> https://grapheneos.org/donate
07:35:05 <gingeropolous> <bishgens[m]> f*ck it, i will just run my own >>> thats the ticket.
07:35:19 <gingeropolous> to promote decentralization, run centralized services shittily
07:35:42 <gingeropolous> (tm) (c) 100% stamp
09:47:35 <bishgens[m]> sethsimmons: thank you!
09:59:30 <mechanic41turk[m> <u29601mg6ba93j[m "https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/s"> That's cool ngl
12:39:22 <pyu> in #monero-dev
12:43:18 <bunny_the_lifegu> With great reset looming, how resistant is xmr to govs trying to make it illegal, is it even possible at all? How would one get xmr if they decide to do something like that? 😬
12:46:56 <hyc> what great reset?
12:50:02 <mechanic41turk[m> <bunny_the_lifegu "With great reset looming, how re"> how would you enforce such a law against monero? It is open source and distributed freely. Furthermore, its on-chain data is encrypted, and doesn't leave breadcrumbs for the LE to follow back to its users. For acquiring Monero, you can mine for it, or use exchange services to hop from Bitcoin to Monero.
12:51:15 <bunny_the_lifegu> <mechanic41turk[m "how would you enforce such a law"> Can't they just prevent exchanges from offering xmr altogether? So one could not swap other cryptos for xmr, no?
12:51:15 <Quotes> CRYPTO IS NOT CRYPTOCURRENCY ಠ_ಠ ~ IT REFERS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY, bunny_the_lifegu
12:53:05 <mechanic41turk[m> <bunny_the_lifegu "Can't they just prevent exchange"> Yes, they can coerce the centralized exchanges from listing monero. However, you will still have smaller scaled exchange services like fixedfloat. In addition to that, we still have decentralized exchange, bisq, and trade facilitating services like local monero.
12:53:47 <mechanic41turk[m> Furthermore, the introduction of atomic swaps will also add one more route for moving from Bitcoin into Monero.
12:54:15 <bunny_the_lifegu> never heard of atomic, will have to look up that one
12:54:25 <mechanic41turk[m> Look into that. It's promising.
12:54:45 <bunny_the_lifegu> but with all that censorship going on recently, I'm more confident in xmr than crap like btc
12:55:08 <bunny_the_lifegu> if even drug dealers are using it, you know it's anonymous xD
12:55:09 <mechanic41turk[m> oh xmr has a great upwards potential.
12:55:18 <mechanic41turk[m> look around you -- you see nothing but mass-censorship.
12:55:30 <bunny_the_lifegu> will get worse
12:55:39 <bunny_the_lifegu> only the beginning right now
12:57:20 <bunny_the_lifegu> so if i for example buy ltc at a local crypto atm, load it on my phone and eg use edge wallet to convert it to xmr and from there send it to the final xmr wallet, this should suffice, right?
12:58:37 <mechanic41turk[m> I am no expert, but sounds good.
12:58:58 <bunny_the_lifegu> how about the same scenario but this time ltc or something else from kraken > edge > convert > final wallet
12:58:59 <mechanic41turk[m> didn't use edge wallet btw
12:59:40 <bunny_the_lifegu> edge has a neat converrt functionality, but for mobile i would go with cake wallet i guess
12:59:59 <bunny_the_lifegu>  * edge has a neat convert functionality, but for mobile i would go with cake wallet i guess
13:48:00 <kish> https://decrypt.co/40284/us-homeland-security-can-now-track-privacy-crypto-monero
13:48:29 <kish> what yhe duck!
13:48:32 <kish> wtf!
13:48:50 <mechanic41turk[m> nice fud bro
13:50:00 <kish> is there somethinynew being developed that is like monero but can't currently be traced?
13:50:35 <kish> i don't want the irs to know i am tax dodging
13:50:50 <kish> paying taxes to the us regime is highly immoral
13:51:20 <mechanic41turk[m> just use monero.
14:02:52 <bunny_the_lifegu> <kish "https://decrypt.co/40284/us-home"> for reals?
14:09:27 <mmxxx[m]> <bunny_the_lifegu "for reals?"> no.
14:09:32 <mmxxx[m]> it's horseshit
14:09:44 <mmxxx[m]> why bring it up an old article?
14:10:05 <hyc> yep it's BS https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1331006439809224707
14:13:25 <mmxxx[m]>  * why bring up an old article?
14:19:14 <bunny_the_lifegu> niceu
15:18:31 <kish> This provides ways to track stolen Monero currencies or Monero currencies used in illegal transactions. It also helps assure cryptocurrency exchanges, OTC trading desks, investment funds and custody providers that they do not accept Monero from illicit sources and investigate Monero received from potentially illicit sources and take appropriate actions to stay in compliance.
15:18:47 <kish> how do we know this claim is false
15:19:27 <kish> these*
15:19:35 <kish> it's very worrying to me
15:20:38 <dEBRUYNE> Check the tweet hyc linked
15:20:42 <WhiteNoise[m]> <mechanic41turk[m "didn't use edge wallet btw"> Any  issues with Edge wallet?
15:21:02 <mechanic41turk[m> no idea.
15:22:04 <WhiteNoise[m]> Thought u said that because of some privacy concern 😬
15:25:40 <mechanic41turk[m> nope
16:06:08 <UkoeHB> kish: mobilecoin is at least ‘potentially’ untraceable, although there are other trade-offs to consider
16:12:14 <kish> news saya signal is thinking about mobilecoin
16:12:29 <kish> heh as if the goverbment cannot break signal ;)
16:40:27 <vzzhvnar> twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
16:40:27 <vzzhvnar> Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')
16:40:27 <vzzhvnar> I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?
18:12:15 <Mochi101> Congrats on your award hyc
18:16:51 <hyc> lol thanks
18:17:34 <hyc> that was ~27 years ago. not like it's really relevant today
18:30:41 <Mochi101> Only 27 years ago?
18:30:53 <Mochi101> Still celebrating then?
18:30:56 <Mochi101> :D
18:32:02 <hyc> ;)
19:03:34 <styxx[m]> how do i restore a CLI wallet with the seed phrase?
19:03:49 <moneromooo> monero-wallet-cli --restore-deterministic-wallet
19:09:30 <styxx[m]> thanks
20:03:11 <styxx[m]> the blockchain is 97 gb right now, is that correct?
20:03:37 <Mochi101> 102
20:03:56 <Mochi101> no
20:04:06 <Mochi101> sorry... I have a stagenet chain in there too
20:04:19 <Mochi101> 97 yes
20:27:20 <Inge-> 97 here too
20:28:21 <mechanic41turk[m> what is the growth rate of the chain?
20:28:57 <Inge-> pretty slow
20:29:08 <Inge-> someone had some daily averages
20:30:30 <Inge-> avg blocksize around 56KB maybe? and 720 blocks/day on avg .. 40MB/day?
20:32:44 <mechanic41turk[m> thanks
20:34:05 <Inge-> -ish
20:36:38 <mechanic41turk[m> so 1 GB per month?
20:37:23 <Inge-> a bit over maybe.. about 14.5GB/year currently
20:37:51 <mechanic41turk[m> <Inge- "a bit over maybe.. about 14.5GB/"> thanks, was trying to estimate per year increase
20:37:53 <Inge-> Do note that there has been a growth in transactions, so the speed of growth will likely increase somewhat over time as well
20:38:05 <mechanic41turk[m> yep
20:38:35 <uuuu01[m]> hello, is this the place to ask about monero gui?
20:39:40 <uuuu01[m]> i'm experiencing odd behavior using monero gui with trezor and i'm not sure if it's a bug, feature an attempt to steal my coins.
20:40:54 <moneromooo> Here or #monero-gui is ok.
20:41:05 <Inge-> ask away - if anyone knows, they will try to reply
20:43:01 <uuuu01[m]> when i create a transaction in gui, i'm prompted on trezor to confirm it. however, i noticed that the address displayed below the sum isn't the one i pasted in the app.
20:43:14 <moneromooo> Are you sending to an integrated address ?
20:45:11 <uuuu01[m]> i am, most likely. the address is 106 chars long.
20:45:42 <uuuu01[m]> is there a way to tell for sure?
20:45:55 <moneromooo> This is likely the reason, assuming the address displayed is the actual address. You can check by running this in monero-wallet-cli: integrated_address X
20:46:11 <moneromooo> And replace X by the integrated address in question.
20:50:45 <uuuu01[m]> nice. i see that the address really is an integrated address. i'll see if the address matches the one on trezor's screen.
20:50:57 <uuuu01[m]> thanks for helping me out.
20:52:06 <Inge-> And good on you for being careful!
20:52:14 <styxx[m]> grayscale is opening a fund for monero
20:52:27 <styxx[m]> so we may see a hard pump eventually
20:53:16 <styxx[m]> https://btcmanager.com/grayscale-launch-trusts-aave-monero-polkadot/
20:53:40 <styxx[m]> i have the info from the dollar vigilante initially
20:56:14 <styxx[m]> https://lbry.tv/@DollarVigilante:b/Dogecoin-Up-Video:4
21:05:30 <bunny_the_lifegu> 1000% xD
21:11:08 <styxx[m]> https://lbry.tv/@YoungRippa59:a/when-stonks-hit-levels-that-shouldn-t:b
21:12:05 <styxx[m]> thats why we need DeFi
21:14:29 <styxx[m]>  * thats why we need decentralization
21:19:04 <bunny_the_lifegu> Oh one can buy xmr on kraken? So if I use a sub-address on my wallet for transfer it should be fine, no?
21:19:58 <Mochi101> yes that's fine bunny_the_lifegu
21:20:39 <bunny_the_lifegu> nice, thanks fren! :)
21:49:35 <Inge-> styxx[m]: All they have done is register a Trust with Delaware - which means they are *considering* it. They might never actually do it.
21:50:52 <Inge-> styxx[m]: you can see for yourself, search for Grayscale here: https://icis.corp.delaware.gov/Ecorp/EntitySearch/NameSearch.aspx - they also registered another 4 on the same date
23:47:35 <styxx[m]> <Inge- "styxx: All they have done is reg"> thats why i wrote "eventually"