10:07:49 <ggwpthxbai11> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
10:09:39 <xmrdog> he's left, but can we debunk this? isn't this was ring sigs are for? the "poisoned outputs" get mixed with other outputs, so who cares?
11:11:28 <ErCiccione[m]> xmrdog: don't engage with the spammers please.
12:21:19 <rovdi> am i in?
12:21:37 <moneromooo> Seems you are.
12:26:18 <rovdi> thanks
12:34:45 <Mochi102> I don't even see him moneromooo.
14:06:05 <xcztlaarsubw> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
14:09:16 <skengdaddy> didn't have the balls to hang around for a retort
14:09:29 <skengdaddy> don't use exchange platforms then bro
14:34:43 <Inge-> skengdaddy: that is just spam. There isn't anyone listening on the other end.
14:35:52 <skengdaddy> they bother to get bots to do that shit?
14:43:55 <Inge-> something like that I guess
14:54:57 <skengdaddy> what a waste of a bot, lol
15:00:25 <noraschmora> Good morning
15:01:52 <marmulak> good morning
15:03:58 <skengdaddy> good morning
15:04:43 <noraschmora> I've got to ask, why do hardly any exchanges list Monero? I could only find a way to purchase it via a Dex
15:05:25 <noraschmora> It's not like Monero is an unpopular crypto or anything
15:06:43 <skengdaddy> which exchange doesn't have monero?
15:06:57 <hyc> Dexs are the way forward anyway
15:09:02 <hyc> ok folks, I see lots of good "how do I use monero" docs now, but what do you recommend for total newbies to crypto?
15:09:39 <noraschmora> skengdaddy Coinbase, Bittrex (they list it but there's no option to buy) are the two that come to mind
15:11:04 <noraschmora> hyc Hmm... I would recommend looking at the video by The Hated One. I think it's on both BitChute and YouTube
15:13:16 <hyc> hm, The Hated One is a pretty big channel on youtube, got a specific title in mind?
15:13:30 <noraschmora> It's called "Monero: More anonymous than cash"
15:13:43 <hyc> thanks
15:13:55 <noraschmora> You're welcome! :)
15:14:03 <kristian_on_linu> cheers, is general crypto chat welcome here?
15:14:11 <skengdaddy> noraschmora - I believe exchanges can't do it because they have restrictions on anonymous coins, need to be able to audit etc
15:15:30 <moneromooo> If Monero related, or if not too much. Otherwise, go somewhere where it's on topic. That's why freenode has channels, not one large everything goes one.
15:15:38 <charuto> kristian_on_linu: for general crypto chat maybe try #monero-markets
15:15:55 <charuto> they're pretty fine with offtopic
15:15:55 <kristian_on_linu> I'll have a look, charuto
15:16:01 <noraschmora> skengdaddy Damn that's bs. But yeah, when you're a big centralized exchange, it makes sense
15:16:13 <charuto> there's also #monero-offtopic but no one really chats there anymore
15:17:32 <skengdaddy> noraschmora - but in my opinion, the whole point of crypto was to escape the corrupt bullshit financial system, so the fact it can't comply is a big bonus in my eyes
15:17:52 <noraschmora> Yeah that's pretty cool
15:22:49 <noraschmora> I do wish more places accepted Monero though. But given its status as a somewhat revolutionary/insurrectionary coin, it totally makes sense
15:23:23 <sethsimmons> Keep using it where you can and encouraging merchants you love to accept it.
15:23:37 <sethsimmons> It's an excellent digital cash, and is amazing at day to day payments.
15:24:15 <sethsimmons> Nothing about its "revolutionary/insurrectionary" status makes it get low acceptance, IMO, merely that most people don't actually *use* cryptocurrency, but merely speculate on it.
15:24:22 <sethsimmons> I use it every chance I get and it's incredibly freeing.
15:24:40 <moneromooo> I view Monero as a defense against prying. It's almost certain the current fascist wave will grow before it gets better, and at some point they'll round people up again. And every database will be used to target people.
15:25:27 <skengdaddy> ^ strongly agreed
15:25:35 <mfoolb_> will the absence from any database be a way more interestnig way of targeting people?
15:25:54 <skengdaddy> I believe once BTC becomes part of the system, monero will go to the moooooooooon
15:26:26 <moneromooo> Depends who you want to target. Current governments are more like this, yes. A future fascist power, maybe not.
15:26:46 <moneromooo> Though if few enough people are "out", it might be conveninent to round them iup and check I guess.
15:27:07 <mfoolb_> that's my point.. so we should work on acceptance :)
15:27:12 <moneromooo> Another reason for more people to avoid getting caught in the machinery.
15:40:41 <Inge-> noraschmora: only a few places have limits on privacy coins - australia and japan and south korea. You can get monero on Kraken, Binance, Tradeogre  etc etc
15:40:41 <Quotes> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbC6dLG_dQY
15:41:00 <noraschmora> Inge- Nice
15:42:46 <Inge-> also services like morphtoken and xmr.to
15:43:59 <skengdaddy> good to know, cheers Inge-
15:44:25 <Inge-> abd ther eis the decentralized bisq, along with localmonero
15:44:35 <Inge-> So shouldn't be very hard to get Monero
16:23:07 <noraschmora> I must say, the source code for Monero is certainly interesting to look at
16:24:09 <marmulak> I haven't looked at it, but I imagine it's all fucked up
16:40:39 <oldgui> When I restore my old GUI wallet via seed in MyMonero it shows I have 0 XMR. Why? In the old GUI wallet the correct XMR amount is shown, but it's not connected and says "wrong version" in the bottom left corner.
16:40:59 <noraschmora> Odd
16:41:27 <dEBRUYNE> oldgui: MyMonero requires an import fee of 0.1 XMR for non-MyMonero wallets
16:41:40 <dEBRUYNE> wrt the GUI, you ought to update it to v0.17.1.9
16:43:57 <hyc> the code is quite definitely not very clean
17:13:44 <oldgui> I got the new GUI and it works now (y)
17:14:02 <oldgui> Still need to get a couple of hundred thousand blocks '=D
17:14:09 <oldgui> Thank you!
17:16:36 <dEBRUYNE> Good luck with the sync!
17:17:23 <bagelsan> never seen 1+gb download so slow since dialup.
17:17:44 <bagelsan> almost done on this one system xD
17:18:23 * bagelsan has PTSD from the sound of connecting to the internet over a 14.4k modem
17:51:34 <Inge-> try 1200
17:52:44 <bagelsan> oh god
17:53:14 <billionaireboysc> oh my
17:53:25 <billionaireboysc> XMR to the moon 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
18:07:37 <mechanic41turk[m> monero better than litecoin confirmed
18:07:55 <mechanic41turk[m> pricewise, specwise, functionwise
18:18:11 <Mochi102> Inge-, you used a 1200 Baud Modem?
18:18:20 <Mochi102> You must be old as rocks.
18:18:49 <moneromooo> Use, not used.
18:19:22 <Mochi102> I got to see my friend using a tape drive on his Commadore 64
18:20:09 <Mochi102> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Commodore-Datasette-C2N-Mk1-Front.jpg
18:20:33 <bagelsan> VMS...
18:20:59 <mfoolb_> Mochi102: there were 300/1200 baud modem and I remember using 300 baud with a portable C64 (10kg)
18:21:35 <Mochi102> So you were around before rocks were even invested hey mfoolb_ ?
18:21:41 <Mochi102> invented
18:22:10 <bagelsan> its amazing how much the openbsd project has came along since 2.x days, now its how to install openbsd guide: enter key ( half joke )
18:22:36 <mfoolb_> Mochi102: don't have much knowledge on rock's investments :)
18:23:16 <Inge-> Mochi102: older than rocks.
18:23:45 <billionaireboysc> We gonna push xmr to the moon
18:24:09 <Mochi102> ok
18:28:26 * rimugu[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DdtsKuvZMTHzVmXgqrNVGvTa/message.txt >
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19:29:33 <rimugu[m]> <silverdragon[m] "> <@rimugu:matrix.org> CoinMarke"> Agree, in my case is the lack of cheap electricity that makes it a no for me. But is good to know this stuff
19:35:31 <silverdragon[m]> I run a miner and a service node to support the network
19:37:27 <silverdragon[m]> I hope monero put a messenger on the blockchaing like oxen did with session
20:11:36 <mmxxx[m]> o_0
20:12:38 <riceandbeans> Why would you want messages on blockchain
20:13:08 <marmulak> why wouldn't you
20:13:32 <riceandbeans> efficiency, privacy, security, logic, to name a few.
20:15:39 <marmulak> lol who needs logic when you've got a block chain
20:25:17 <lza_menace> ^ no brainer
20:28:01 <mechanic41turk[m> based and centralizationpilled
20:51:06 <sethsimmons> This seems like a nicely packaged way to spin up a new Matrix server: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy
20:51:29 <sethsimmons> Woops, meant that for -community
22:45:38 <Monegro> xmr.to is only accepting transactions of .066 BTC?
22:47:21 <Inge-> .btc
22:47:30 <mmxxx[m]> .66 btc? Or .066 btc?
22:47:44 <ndorf> sorry Inge- BTC has been delisted
22:47:53 <Inge-> ndorf: !!
22:48:05 <Inge-> Monegro: that is still like $2300
22:48:06 <ndorf> yeah. turned out to be a pump and dump scam coin. oh well
22:48:15 <Inge-> but yeah, they used to do up to like what, 20 BTC?
22:49:00 <Monegro> not .66, but .066 BTC
22:49:12 <Inge-> which is still like $2300
22:49:17 <Monegro> ...ok?
22:49:40 <Monegro> not to reveal what I'm holding or want to transfer, but obviously it's at least $2301
22:50:00 <Inge-> seems to be a daily limit of 0.2 btc as well there
22:50:14 <Monegro> it says .2 BTC, but it auto changes my limit
22:50:40 <Inge-> I think you would need to do multiple transfers of max 0.066 to reach the 0.2 limit
22:50:42 <Monegro> whenever I put in [amount redacted] it changes it to .066
22:50:44 <Inge-> There is also morphtoken
22:51:00 <Monegro> I heard people say that they weren't accepting Tor connections
22:51:35 <Monegro> I accessed morph just now from Tor, and they didn't have any warning messages
22:51:47 <Inge-> No idea.
22:53:47 <Barbelo[m]1> <silverdragon[m] "> <@rimugu:matrix.org> CoinMarke"> only if you think the value of monero will stay the same or go down.
23:09:57 <bishgens[m]> Someone (allegedly) sent me XMR hours ago but balance is still zero and show_transfers shows nothing. status says Refreshed x/x, synced, What else can I do?
23:17:39 <moneromooo> Make sure x is about 2285417, that the refresh-from-block-height setting in monero-wallet-cli is lower than the block height you estimate the tx to have been in.
23:18:57 <bishgens[m]> x is only about 80000
23:19:48 <moneromooo> Then wait for the daemon to be finished syncing the chain (it'll be faster if the wallet isn't running at the same time), then wait for the wallet to finish scanning the chain after it's done.
23:20:33 <moneromooo> If both x are the same, it could be you're only connected to asshole peers, and are eclipsed.
23:21:03 <moneromooo> In that case, use 0.17.1.9 if you don't have it, and optoinally run with --use-dns-blocklist, which should kick out most of them.
23:21:08 <bishgens[m]> i don't think x has increased for the past hour. both x are the same
23:31:45 <bishgens[m]> i think the disk space is too low
23:45:18 <bishgens[m]> i use CLI wallet/daemon isolation with qubes+whonix. the daemon ran out of disk space. i don't think i want to run a node
23:46:51 <ndorf> bishgens[m]: you can try pruned node, it only uses less than 1/3 as much space as the full chain
23:48:22 <bishgens[m]> ndorf: Cool. How do I enable it?
23:50:54 <bishgens[m]> that is still 30 gb. i think i have to use a remote node. i must read whonix documentation for advice i think
23:51:08 <ndorf> run monerod with --prune-blockchain option, or issue prune_blockchain command in monerod console
23:51:26 <ndorf> yes, it's still a little over 30GB. if that's too much, remote node or light wallet is your only option
23:52:56 <ndorf> also those 2 things won't give back space already used (just mark it as free), so if you want to reduce an existing blockchain you need the monero-blockchain-prune utility
23:53:14 <bishgens[m]> 30 gb is only OK if i write it to another disk
23:53:15 <ndorf> if you are starting from scratch though you only need one of the first 2
23:54:50 <bishgens[m]> okay
23:55:23 <ndorf> you can write to any disk you want, just use the --data-dir option
23:56:40 <bishgens[m]> okay i will try
23:57:26 <bishgens[m]> why is a remote node bad? i am on qubes-whonix, all trafffic between my wallet and remote node would go throu Tor any way
23:59:15 <ndorf> remote node isn't too bad, and you can always switch to your own node later if you want
23:59:32 <ndorf> syncing the wallet will be slower, doubly so if using tor