00:00:18 <moneromooo> No clue. Wait for a while till someone knows about the GUI and can answer. Might be a while, people eat, sleep etc, so don't disconnect.
00:00:27 <Snowstorm> :l
00:00:44 <donkeydonkey[m]> i found this. "Portable mode, save wallets + config to "storage" folder"
00:04:50 <ndorf> i'm not sure, but i think portable mode is for when you want to keep your wallet on a removable drive or something. probably safe to leave it off unless you know you need it
00:06:12 <Snowstorm> Well I do have an external drive
00:06:26 <Snowstorm> Hmm
00:06:47 <moneromooo> You want to sync to SSD if you can. Block I/O is a massive bottleneck.
00:09:05 <Snowstorm> Okay I don't think I want to install it to my external drive
00:09:32 <Snowstorm> I have 2 internal drives, 250GB (boot), and 1 TB (secondary)
00:09:57 <Snowstorm> I will keep my wallet on my secondary, so if I'm installing a new OS or doing whatever it's seperate
00:10:07 <ndorf> i think it's not just a question of whether the drive is removable, but whether or not you intend to move that removable drive with the wallet on it between different computers.
00:11:30 <ndorf> i'm not 100% sure about that though. never tried the GUI myself.
00:11:52 <Snowstorm> man why has no one here used GUI, that's literally the default
00:12:03 <ndorf> the CLI is the default. the GUI is optional.
00:12:54 <ndorf> it's just a matter of personal preference. personally, i like the CLI.
00:13:15 <ndorf> lots of people use the GUI. it's just that they're all sleeping now :)
00:13:29 <Snowstorm> GUI is listed first on the website, and just in general GUIs are the main way to use a program. but whatever
00:14:07 <ndorf> they are? says who?
00:14:41 <Snowstorm> 99% of people who use computers in the last decade?
00:15:21 <Snowstorm> Like, for typical computer users a CLI is black magic
00:16:01 <ndorf> that doesn't seem to be a reason why *i* should use the GUI?
00:16:09 <Snowstorm> I never said that
00:16:53 <Snowstorm> I said "why has no one here used GUI, that's literally the default" and you said "the CLI is the default. the GUI is optional."
00:17:09 <ndorf> ok, you're right, i shouldn't have said it's the default.
00:17:25 <ndorf> the monero wallet CLI existed many years before the GUI did
00:17:37 <Snowstorm> Ah
00:17:59 <Snowstorm> So what happened to Gano
00:18:40 <ndorf> but anyway. if you want a sure answer regarding the GUI, you'll have to wait until someone more familiar with it becomes available. if you don't want to wait, i think my guess above is probably right and you don't need portable mode unless you want to move the wallet around.
00:19:13 <ndorf> what's Gano?
00:20:27 <Snowstorm> You're just 'ndorf'
00:21:20 <Snowstorm> Ganondorf lol
00:21:49 <ndorf> lol, nice.
00:47:12 <donkeydonkey[m]> i use the GUI sometimes and my wallet is on external and im not using Portable and it works fine. fwiw.
05:50:13 <while> .price
05:50:15 <while> .xmr
05:50:17 <while> .usd
07:30:02 <amuro> Hi, I have monero gui wallet and it does not start to sync, why? I am using simple mode.
07:53:06 <amaran> hello
07:53:42 <amaran> how to connect to node that port 80 open behind router (nat)
07:54:01 <amaran> node to node
07:54:09 <amaran> not wallet to node
08:32:29 <Snowstorm> Um
08:32:38 <Snowstorm> So I was setting up my wallet
08:32:53 <Mochi101> ok
08:32:53 <Snowstorm> And I was doing it where I make my own node instead of connecting to another
08:33:10 <Snowstorm> And I just left the blockchain download location as "default
08:33:27 <Snowstorm> I assumed it download on the drive I was running the wallet app on
08:33:40 <Snowstorm> But apparently not!
08:33:48 <Snowstorm> It installed it in my Home folder
08:34:00 <Snowstorm> On my boot drive, which is much smaller than said other drive
08:34:18 <Mochi101> Linux?
08:34:25 <Snowstorm> Is it possible to move it after it's finished downloading and all that without redownloading it?
08:34:29 <Snowstorm> Yes Linux Mint
08:34:52 <Mochi101> yeah, no problem moving it. You can even move it from Linux to Windows without problems.
08:34:58 <Snowstorm> Okay great
08:35:22 <sech1> yes, just move it and use --data-dir command line parameter
08:35:29 <Snowstorm> It's almost done now, 800 blocks remaining
08:35:51 <Mochi101> ~12 hour sync then?
08:36:12 <sech1> you need to move /bitmonero/lmdb directory and all files in it
08:36:34 <sech1> hmm, actually it's already non-standard path, but that's what I use
08:37:53 <Snowstorm> sech yeah can't I just move the .bitmonero folder to the drive I want it on, then set the file path in the app? It looks like there's an option to set the file path
08:40:06 <sech1> yes
08:52:08 <Snowstorm> okay it worked
08:52:52 <Snowstorm> The app is asking if I want to keep the node running the background. Should I do that?
08:53:38 <Snowstorm> Well I GTG
08:54:04 <Snowstorm> I don't see any reason to keep it running in the background, so Ill do No
10:19:47 <jakoson0> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
10:25:36 <Barbelo[m]1> test
10:26:00 <Mochi102> test failed
10:26:06 <jess> test failed successfully
10:28:35 <charolastra> XD
10:32:29 <sech1> test failed spectacularly
10:59:07 <skengdaddy> hello chaps, I saw what I suspect to be shilling in an article, is this now confirmed to be true or false? https://www.darknetstats.com/us-department-of-homeland-security-gets-the-ability-to-track-monero-transactions/
11:30:03 <charolastra> skengdaddy: if that old news were true the price of XMR would have aproached 0 already
11:30:46 <skengdaddy> absolutely, is there any credible sources dismissing the rumour as nonsense?
11:31:26 <moneromooo> Who knows. There's so much fuckery going on that it doesn't really follow. PR and lies drive prices, not facts.
11:32:03 <skengdaddy> true, thanks guys
12:00:18 <hyc> yes, there is a credible source who can disprove these rumors as nonsense. the CEO of CipherTrace himself. https://twitter.com/davejevans/status/1330008956270374918
12:00:43 <hyc> "Nobody can deterministically trace Monero transactions yet."
12:01:03 <hyc> should prob add that to an FAQ at this point
12:33:50 <Mochi102> ++ hyc
12:34:34 <moneromooo> hyd ?
12:38:36 <Mochi102> moneromooo, :P
12:38:53 <Mochi102> that'd be" hyc ++
12:39:11 <moneromooo> No. hyc++ would evaluate as hyc.
12:39:29 <Mochi102> Wouldn't increment?
12:39:36 <moneromooo> It would.
12:39:58 <moneromooo> Nevermind, just a subtle difference, doesn't matter.
12:40:25 <Mochi102> I know what you mean, it's supposed to be symbolic.
15:07:10 <ayahuaza> what does HOST [IP] BLOCKED mean?
15:07:16 <ayahuaza> UNBLOCKED*
15:07:17 <ayahuaza> srry
15:11:50 <sethsimmons> <ayahuaza "what does HOST [IP] BLOCKED mean"> Just means the block timed out and there is not a reason to keep it blocked, currently.
15:12:03 <Mochi102> ayahuaza, there's been some network problems lately and banning/blocking bad actors in the network is now mitigating it.
15:12:05 <sethsimmons> Thats to be expected, and if the node is malicious or having issues your node will block it again as-needed.
17:29:35 <Snowstorm> uh
17:29:48 <Snowstorm> so I just set up my wallet yesterday
17:29:55 <Snowstorm> seemed to work, I had to log off
17:30:20 <Snowstorm> I open it today, and now it's stuck not not being able to connect to the daemon
17:30:32 <Snowstorm> 1/27/21 11:29 AM] 2021-01-27 17:29:21.063 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.9-release)
17:30:33 <Snowstorm> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
17:30:33 <Snowstorm> [1/27/21 11:29 AM] 2021-01-27 17:29:24.600 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.9-release)
17:30:33 <Snowstorm> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
17:32:17 <Snowstorm> I have no clue how to fix this
17:32:41 <hyc> is the daemon actually running?
17:33:18 <Snowstorm> um
17:33:51 <Snowstorm> Doesn't look like it
17:48:11 <Snowstorm> what the heck
17:48:21 <Snowstorm> yeah I tried restarted, nothing
17:49:33 <Snowstorm> ughhhhh
17:52:33 <Snowstorm> please I don't know what to dooo
17:52:53 <donkeydonkey[m]> you can try start the daemon from the command line
17:53:49 <Snowstorm> how? what command
17:54:31 <donkeydonkey[m]> monerod --data-dir /path/to/blockchain
17:58:11 <Snowstorm> "monerod: command not found"
18:00:13 <donkeydonkey[m]> if you download it from getmonero then you will need to run it from the directory you saved it in. so the command from the correct directory would be ./monerod --data-dir ...
18:10:04 <Snowstorm> uhhhhh donkey I copypasted that command while in the directory and its downloading the blockchain again!
18:10:18 <Snowstorm> was the ... supposed to be the filepath to the blockchain!?
18:10:21 <donkeydonkey[m]> did you specify the data-dir
18:10:28 <Snowstorm> crap how do I stop it
18:10:31 <donkeydonkey[m]> yes as in the command from above.
18:10:36 <donkeydonkey[m]> ctrl c
18:14:46 <Snowstorm> okay donkey I ran the command again, while in the directory, but this time specifcied the file path of the folder that contains lmdb
18:16:05 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.326	I Loading blockchain from folder /media/snowstorm/1TB-SSD/monero-gui-v0.17.1.9/bitmonero/lmdb ...
18:16:06 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.326	W Failed to query m_blocks: MDB_BAD_TXN: Transaction must abort, has a child, or is invalid
18:16:06 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.327	E Error opening database: Failed to query m_blocks: MDB_BAD_TXN: Transaction must abort, has a child, or is invalid
18:16:06 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.327	I Stopping cryptonote protocol...
18:16:07 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.327	I Cryptonote protocol stopped successfully
18:16:09 <Snowstorm> 2021-01-27 18:13:31.327	E Exception in main! Failed to initialize core
18:17:32 <donkeydonkey[m]> not sure... is it possibly a permissions problem?
18:26:10 <Snowstorm> nope
18:26:42 <Snowstorm> even as root, same issue. it can download the chain, but once it has it,
18:26:51 <Snowstorm> Timed out, local node is not responding after 120 seconds.
18:26:51 <Snowstorm> Please check your wallet and daemon log for errors. You can also try to start monerod manually.
18:26:53 <sethsimmons> That looks like a corrupted DB
18:27:00 <sethsimmons> Have you tried syncing from scratch?
18:27:07 <Snowstorm> ugh
18:27:09 <sethsimmons> Delete the entire .bitmonero folder and restart it
18:28:05 <sethsimmons> Is this running on a local hard drive or an external one?
18:28:10 <sethsimmons> Normal hard drive or SSD?
18:28:49 <Snowstorm> SSD, secondary internal drive, Linux
18:29:15 <sethsimmons> OK
18:29:33 <Snowstorm> I deleted the folder, set the file path so it will download to the second drive instead of my Home folder, and restarted the sync
18:29:41 <sethsimmons> I would personally start the sync over, seems like the DB is very corrupted
18:29:46 <sethsimmons> <Snowstorm "I deleted the folder, set the fi"> Great
18:30:45 <Snowstorm> I mean, maybe when I transferred it from my main drive to my second drive (since it downloaded there by default) but IDK
18:30:57 <Snowstorm> Hopefully that was the problem...
18:32:16 <ndorf> did you transfer it while monerod was still running? that would probably break it
18:34:49 <Snowstorm> Uh...I don't...think so...?
18:48:19 <Snowstorm> wow this is going fast
18:48:46 <Snowstorm> It's already 1 third done
19:00:11 <Snowstom> dang that "[user] quit" "[user] joined" spam is annoying
19:04:36 <Snowstom> um
19:04:48 <Snowstom> Are more recent blocks larger file sizes?
19:05:02 <Snowstom> The app says I've downloaded about half the blocks
19:05:11 <Snowstom> but I've only downloaded like 10GB
19:05:26 <donkeydonkey[m]> yep
19:05:36 <Snowstom> why is that?
19:06:32 <hyc> early blocks were mostly empty.
19:06:42 <hyc> then after ringCT was introduced, txn sizes blew up
19:07:02 <hyc> everything since then has been a lot bigger
19:11:43 <Snowstom> Well that would explain why it "goes so fast" at first then slows to a crawl...
19:15:18 <Snowstom> What is the point of not using a Pruned Node if, according to getmonero: "There are no privacy or security downsides when using a pruned node."
19:15:56 <raecarruth> you want to know the advnatges of a full node?
19:16:14 <Snowstom> yeah
19:23:00 <Snowstom> uh, rae?
19:26:17 <gingeropolous> perhaps instead of blocks sync'd we should indicate # transactions verified / total
20:22:12 <ayahuaza> hey i'll just begin mining monero, would you say that for a small miner, not a farm, is better to join mining pool or solo?
20:23:20 <ayahuaza> as i understand it's better to join mining pool, just wanted to ask you guys/gals
20:25:33 <gingeropolous> ayahuaza, id say it best to get your feet wet with a mining pool
20:25:44 <gingeropolous> then you can decide if you want to go full crazy and solo mine
20:26:14 <ayahuaza> alrightyy
22:53:18 <hanetzer> hey peeps. looking to get into monero a bit. Suggested wallets?
23:01:26 <nioc> https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/