00:50:06 <monerouser1144> Regarding the ansible playbooks to create monero nodes which were posted today at Reddit, I think we should also have a look at the DebOps one for bitcoind https://github.com/debops/debops/tree/master/ansible/roles/bitcoind
01:13:23 <tokineko[m]> Does anyone think it would be cool for monero to adopt shielded transaction pool of ZCash?
01:18:44 <sethsimmons> Maybe at some point in the future, but not in its current implementation.
01:23:12 <tokineko[m]> sethsimmons: Cool...
01:34:21 <monerouser1144> Total cryptocurrency funds received by "illicit entities" according to Chainalysis https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/24/overall-bitcoin-related-crime-fell-last-year-but-one-type-of-crypto-hack-is-booming.html
01:44:14 <h2017> sethsimmons, how much do you know about halo2?
01:45:01 <sethsimmons> Very little other than its promising and doesn't exist in prod yet.
01:45:09 <sethsimmons> Removes trusted setup from Zcash.
01:45:37 <sethsimmons> Smaller and faster to gen/verify transactions as well IIRC
01:45:49 <sethsimmons> But at the earliest could be deployed late this year
01:45:55 <sethsimmons> (In Zcash)
01:47:57 <h2017> it they are able to do it (which they may not because they may not really understand the real-world performance characteristics) will monero have something to worry about in terms of competition?
01:49:16 <sethsimmons> Since they won't enforce shielded-only, nothing I care about.
01:49:43 <sethsimmons> They're much more worried about regulation and looking good than they are protecting users and gaining real world adoption.
01:49:43 <h2017> but they could switch to shielded only whenver they want
01:50:05 <sethsimmons> In theory, yes, but they could have for a long time now and there is hardly any push from within that community.
01:50:14 <sethsimmons> Sarah Jamie Lewis leaving was more proof of that.
01:50:21 <h2017> well they screwed up regulatory compliance already
01:50:40 <h2017> they're legally a security because of their mining tax
01:50:42 <tokineko[m]> sethsimmons: Pirate Chain enforces shielded transactions and will also adopt Halo 2. Forget about ZCash.
01:50:58 <sethsimmons> Are you shilling Pirate or what?
01:51:04 <sethsimmons> No one is talking about them lol
01:51:11 <tokineko[m]> I criticize Pirate Chain, too.
01:51:17 <sethsimmons> Were talking about Zcash, please stop bringing up pirate off topic.
01:51:29 <tokineko[m]> I criticize every coin and compare them with every other coin.
01:51:38 <sethsimmons> <h2017 "well they screwed up regulatory "> I would agree, but they don't seem to worry.
01:51:44 <tokineko[m]> I may look like a shill to every coin.
01:51:47 <h2017> tokineko[m], i'm not convinced that anyone will roll out halo 2. i'm suspicious that they don't really understand the performance characteristics.
01:54:57 <h2017> it's hot air until there is a full test deployment
01:55:07 <ComplyLast> anyone thinking that zcash might go to shielded only at any point soon needs only to look at their forum
01:55:39 <sethsimmons> That community is trying its best to get rid of all the people who actually care about privacy.
01:55:53 <sethsimmons> Sad to see, but hopefully some of those people will come over to Monero and help aid real privacy.
01:56:10 <ComplyLast> also does halo 2 in any way shape or form mitigate the fact that supply is completely unauditable?
01:57:14 <sethsimmons> No.
01:57:36 <sethsimmons> Its not unauditable now, that's a misnomer
01:57:56 <sethsimmons> Its similarly auditable to Monero, aka requiring trust in cryptography/implementation.
01:58:08 <h2017> in reality, if halo2 doesn't have unresolvable snags, i suspect that it will be 2 years in reality before roll-out
01:58:26 <sethsimmons> Hiding amounts just always means you cannot easily audit via a simple UTXO addition, but that doesn't mean its unauditable.
01:58:49 <ComplyLast> you can audit coinbases on monero
01:59:01 <sethsimmons> Same in Zcash, right?
01:59:03 <ComplyLast> and requiring trust in crypto for the rest
01:59:08 <sethsimmons> Or did they enforce shielded coinbase.
01:59:13 <ComplyLast> if it was fully shielded would that be the case?
01:59:19 <ComplyLast> they don't enforce shielded for anything
01:59:20 <ComplyLast> lol
01:59:32 <sethsimmons> I would expect coinbases would remain transparent which allows similar audits.
02:00:01 <sethsimmons> Outside of that the only option I'd a turnstile which is a terrible option IMO.
02:00:40 <ComplyLast> I might understand it wrongly though
02:00:58 <ComplyLast> monero had that bug that potentially could have caused hidden inflation
02:01:10 <tokineko[m]> Does tari have a channel on matrix.org?
02:01:24 <ComplyLast> and luigi1111 among others (?) checked if it was exploited
02:01:39 <ComplyLast> my understanding is that something similar would have not been possible with zcash shielded pool at all
02:01:41 <tokineko[m]> I guess not.
02:02:20 <ComplyLast> so much so that one of their proposed solutions at some point was to force everyone to move z to t deprecate that z pool and create a new one
02:02:35 <ComplyLast> tokineko[m], you should be able to join irc channels through matrix bridges
02:03:19 <ComplyLast> if my premise is correct, there are different degrees in unauditability between zcash and monero sethsimmons
02:03:26 <ComplyLast> I might be completely wrong, I often am.
02:03:53 <sethsimmons> <ComplyLast "my understanding is that somethi"> It depends highly on what the bug is. I'd expect some would be detectable and some wouldn't in Zcash as well.
02:04:26 <ComplyLast> lets use the concrete example of the hidden inflation bug they had
02:04:40 <ComplyLast> to this day they still don't know if it was exploited or not afaik
02:04:44 <sethsimmons> <ComplyLast "if my premise is correct, there "> I couldn't honestly say, I don't know enough about Zcash to answer properly.
02:04:54 <sethsimmons> I would suspect its similar but has some differences.
02:05:31 <ComplyLast> sarang is not here :/
02:07:32 <luigi1111w> was only hidden if you didn't know about it
02:07:47 <luigi1111w> easily checked once we knew such a thing existed
03:41:06 * M7361[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jwnAghaoDkbbrnMbxYEaGSly/message.txt >
08:50:10 <Inge-> Is it still possible to send XMR that is unspendable until a certain block?
09:31:31 <LamontJones> Hello, I would like to open my monerod.exe in safe sync mode. Can someone please walk me through that process?
09:33:09 <Inge-> I'm not sure what "safe sync mode" is.
09:36:51 <LamontJones> I read that it's a mode that prevents database corruption in case of lost internet connection. Read that it requires changing the option --db-sync-mode Specify sync option, using format:
09:36:51 <LamontJones> [safe|fast|fastest]:[sync|async]:[<nblocks_per_sync>[blocks]|<nbytes_per_sync>[bytes]]. But not sure where to input that.
09:43:55 <Inge-> as a parameter when starting monerod I guess
09:47:26 <Mochi101> ++
09:50:13 <LamontJones> Any sense as to where I input this parameter, though?
09:51:37 <Mochi101> monerod --db-sync-mode=safe
09:51:56 <Mochi101> it's a command line or startup parameter
09:53:00 <LamontJones> So I tried inputing it in the monerod command line but it came back as an invalid command.
09:53:22 <selsta> LamontJones: post the exact command you entered
09:53:34 <selsta> you might have to do --db-sync-mode safe
09:54:12 <LamontJones> Came back as unknown command: --db-sync-mode safe
09:55:18 <selsta> you have to start monerod with this command, not enter it into monerod
09:55:27 <selsta> which OS are you using?
09:55:34 <LamontJones> Windows
09:55:34 <Quotes> fuck windows, use linux!
09:55:43 <Mochi101> bad Quotes
09:55:57 <selsta> .\monerod.exe --db-sync-mode safe
09:56:00 <selsta> ^ try this
10:02:10 <LamontJones> Where do I input the .\monerod.exe --db-sync-mode safe command?
10:04:13 <Mochi101> LamontJones, your terminal
10:04:22 <Mochi101> LamontJones, how are you starting monerod right now?
10:04:33 <Mochi101> just clocking on the exe file?
10:06:23 <Mochi101> clicking
10:06:44 <LamontJones> yup
10:07:27 <Mochi101> ok... so right clock on it and make a shortcut... then right click on the shortcut and edit where it says target... add the --db-sync-mode safe onto the end of there
10:07:43 * Mochi101 switches his o and i keys...
10:18:21 <LamontJones> I input the line into the shortcut's target and opened monerod.exe. The daemon started and began synching normally but there's no change in the normal startup language. But I should just assume that the command came through alright?
10:18:54 <Mochi101> yes
10:19:15 <LamontJones> Excellent. Thank you fellas
10:19:45 <LamontJones> Coincidentally, one of my favorite backgammon players is named Mochi. Just saying...
10:20:15 <Mochi101> hehehe
10:41:36 <tokineko[m]> fixedfloat.com is not convenient to use. It transitions to manual exchange after 30 minutes.
10:41:56 <tokineko[m]> Sending BCH can take more than 30 minutes....
10:42:14 <mmxxx[m]> o_0
11:05:34 <tokineko[m]> Never mind. floating orders are kind of semi-automatic....
11:05:38 <tokineko[m]>  * Never mind. floating orders are kind of semi-automatic on fixedfloat.com
14:42:34 <jakoson0> What kind of person steals from their own community? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/
15:38:01 <gingeropolous> a little toooo ironic, yeah i really do think
16:03:29 <fluffypony> gingeropolous: it's like raaaaaaaaaain
16:04:50 <gingeropolous> sorry I couldn't resist :)
17:18:38 <palringo> Hi guys i have a question when it comes to downloading and verifying the blockchain, so far is has been very slow, from reading around it suggests that the reason is because it has to verify each block. my question is can't we have a post verified hash 256, 512, ect that would for example speed up the entire first 60GB?, the client would download the first 60GB or another specified amount from the blockchain without having to
17:18:38 <palringo> verify it it can compare it with a 'known verified' sha256 therefore it would speed up the proccess?
17:24:56 <gingeropolous> it actually verifies each transaction that occurs
17:25:57 <gingeropolous> there are ways to hack these sort of speedups, but the sentiment is that this should be discouraged, because the core software is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the chain
17:26:22 <gingeropolous> its the whole trustless thing. and there are alrady some speedups due to the nature of software release
17:26:43 <gingeropolous> something like the PoW hashes are actually included in release binaries, so at least your CPU doesn't have to do the PoW for each block
17:27:28 <gingeropolous> something like what your saying would be useful for some kind of secondary, light client.
17:27:38 <gingeropolous> from my understanding of things
17:27:45 <gingeropolous> but i feel yah.
17:28:03 <moneromooo> It does skip a lot of checks if blocks it gets match known good hashes, which exist for the first... maybe 95% of the chain.
17:32:22 <palringo> I feel is somewhat my fault too, am downloading the blockchain on HDD and it has taken more than 2 days damn
18:03:59 <h2017> hi
18:11:43 <palringo> @h2017 Hello
19:33:15 <cakewallet-scam> Is there any way to prove cake wallet app matches source code? no
19:33:18 <cakewallet-scam> it is closed source
19:41:14 <LebAnon[m]> <cakewallet-scam "it is closed source"> lol he left
19:47:09 <selsta> lol seems like the aeon.wiki operator was behind this irc user
19:47:25 <sethsimmons> LOL
19:47:27 <sethsimmons> opsec fail
19:49:45 <kinghat[m]> seth what are you nodes `print_net_stats` like atm?
19:55:51 * sethsimmons sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mQptPICKGjRxnQsLTVyYZAKq/message.txt >
19:56:00 <sethsimmons> Need to fix my limits, for sure
19:57:45 <kinghat[m]> what about `status`? i cant get above 20 kB/s on my VPS with 16out/24in.
19:58:11 <kinghat[m]> ive tried routing it through a vpn as well and no difference 🤔
19:58:34 <sethsimmons> I would definitely not route it through VPN.
19:58:49 <sethsimmons> But its not worth trying to get extra traffic, just keep the node stable and let the network do its thing :)
19:59:17 <kinghat[m]> there shouldnt be a performance hit through wireguard.
19:59:53 <kinghat[m]> my point is the VPS throttling.
20:00:12 <kinghat[m]> how many outs/ins do you have set on your nodes?
20:05:52 <sethsimmons> Left in_peers default, out_peers are 30-50 between the 4 nodes.
20:06:13 <LebAnon[m]> <sethsimmons "I would definitely not route it "> can you please elaborate why?
20:06:38 <sethsimmons> Doesn't really help the network at all and no way to port forward through a VPN normally.
20:06:51 <sethsimmons> If you want to use an anonymity network use Tor.
20:07:34 <LebAnon[m]> oh alright thanks
20:07:48 <LebAnon[m]> Tor is the most recommended option in the docs indeed just wanted to make sure
20:08:14 <kinghat[m]> you would use a VPN to get around your ISP or VPS provider. if its wireguard theres basically no overhead. if its a good VPN provider you can get a port forwarded.
20:12:59 <sethsimmons> No one that I have ever heard is throttling Monero traffic, so not sure why you'd do that, as you only move the trusted party from ISP to VPN provider.
20:13:08 <sethsimmons> But if you can forward ports its fine
20:13:19 <sethsimmons> Just not an approach I'd ever recommend vs normal clearnet or Tor
20:13:29 <kinghat[m]> its not that its monero traffic, its that its P2P traffic.
20:14:30 <sethsimmons> Idk why they would throttle it, but if you're somehow absolutely certain thats happening just switch providers or run hardware at home.
20:14:48 <kinghat[m]> so the default in peers is unlimited i guess
20:14:49 <sethsimmons> Or run over Tor
20:15:39 <sethsimmons> <kinghat[m] "so the default in peers is unlim"> yes
20:15:48 <kinghat[m]> the whole point is running on a VPS because of the bandwidth caps locally.
20:16:16 <sethsimmons> Then use a different VPS that doesn't throttle
20:17:31 <kinghat[m]> im here to find out if they are throttling
20:18:20 <kinghat[m]> it might just be that my `in-peers` is set too low
20:18:58 <sethsimmons> yeah just leave it unlimited.
20:21:33 <kinghat[m]> thanks for posting your stats
20:22:37 <sethsimmons> np, but remember those aren't necessarily indicative of what you should expect.
20:22:50 <sethsimmons> A lot of factors influence it.
23:46:15 <WhiteNoise[m]> Hi all...monero not work with/via TOR?
23:50:23 <moneromooo> Monero should work via tor.
23:52:47 <WhiteNoise[m]> > Monero should work via tor.
23:52:47 <WhiteNoise[m]> I've tried to register using TOR Orbot but no success