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dead
fucking matrix.org netsplit
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orly_owl
is it the bridge that died
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orly_owl
or a matrix server
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bigslim[m]
Ughh not the dr
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bigslim[m]
They were good but man they tried to overtake the project as their own
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bigslim[m]
Smooth straight up gave them their money grab and said have a nice day
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bigslim[m]
Stoffu was at least cordial about it
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bigslim[m]
Snips
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bigslim[m]
* Snipa
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bigslim[m]
What up old aeon supporter
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sw00p
so what is the best program to mine monero?
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u29601mg6ba93j[m
xmrig
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u29601mg6ba93j[m
check our #xmrmine:matrix.org
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u29601mg6ba93j[m
* check out #xmrmine:matrix.org
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Inge-
get_connections returns method not found?
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ksk
.ogre wow
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Inge-
wrong window :P
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ksk
oh noes.
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ksk
was already wondering why the shitposting stopped ;)
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Inge-
so get_connections returns method not found, get_info returns 0 incoming and outgoing connections and /get_peer_list returns an empty list. However the node is synced to the tip of the chain. Am I doing something wrong?
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selsta
Inge-: restricted node
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Inge-
aha.
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Inge-
so... if I run a monerod inside docker, and it is a full public node that allows rpc, it must have --restricked-rpc and then I can't actually look at those things?
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Inge-
oh wait, I can use --restricted-bind-[ip|port]
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selsta
yes
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huwfuhwuh[m]
is the edge wallet anonymous if used even if it does not download the blockchain?
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sir_poppins[m]
hi
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huwfuhwuh[m]
hi
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huwfuhwuh[m]
does anyone know the answer to my question?
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Inge-
It is probably not a simple yes/no question
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Inge-
Nothing done online is *entirely* anonymous in all situations.
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Inge-
If you use a remote node, then that remote node will know some things, like the IP address your client connects from, the block height you start syncing your wallet from at this time, and any transaction you submit
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Inge-
But the submitted transaction includes 11 possible utxo sources, a confidential amount, and a one-time destination address - so they can not say with certainty which funds were spent, and they can not see the amount spent, or know who it was sent to.
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Inge-
huwfuhwuh[m]: ^
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huwfuhwuh[m]
but if they know who it was sent to, are they able to understand who sent it with edge?
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huwfuhwuh[m]
they know it not through the blockchain and whoever sent it doesn't know who sent it
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huwfuhwuh[m]
<Inge- "It is probably not a simple yes/"> ?
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Inge-
how would they know who it was sent to?
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Inge-
I don't really know edge
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huwfuhwuh[m]
for example if you pay in monero for an online service or a good but they want to find out who requested that service, they ask who releases the good or service who requested it, so I wonder if this has paid in monero and they don't know who it is 'if they can find out?
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huwfuhwuh[m]
Inge-:
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Inge-
not clear who "they" are here. if "they" are the makers of edge wallet, I guess you would need to trust it is without back doors. if "they" are the node operators, then they can't really say who paid or for what service - since the actual wallet address is not included in the tx.
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sech1
It was hard to process that question. Receiver of your transaction can't see your address if it's what you mean
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Inge-
^ that too
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Inge-
if "they" are the service you pay to, they don't have any way to know - except via other means, like their web server that you accessed to get the payment information
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huwfuhwuh[m]
<Inge- "not clear who "they" are here. i"> edge is open source so it should be without backdoors
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Inge-
sgp_ or someone else: isn't there a potential tracking scenario if I buy xmr on Exchange, send to service, and service sends back to the same exchange (without knowing the xmr came from that exchange) - is it not then possible for the exchange to glean some information?
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Inge-
although AFAIK that is easily mitigated by you having 2 wallets so it goes exchange -> my wallet 1 -> my wallet 2 -> service -> exchange
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Inge-
but it seems like a remote possibility that it would actually lead to anything - i.e. if your threat model is nation-state... But at that point your surface area for vulnerabilities increases a LOT
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olipopoito8k
hi
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olipopoito8k
hi ppl
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sir_poppins[m]
hello
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olipopoito8k
guys i was wondering how i do to mine monero on the web
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hyc
it would certainly take more patience than that, anyway
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Inge-
whaa? I want a get rich quick scheme!
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sech1
he probably already got rich and quit
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supus
Is there a way to verify a SpendProof with just monerod running?
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moneromooo
No.
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supus
okay, thanks
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rbd
hi guys, I am trying to sync my 0.17.1.9-release node and getting a number of (new to me errors), such as "ge_frombytes_vartime failed at 415", "Verification failure", "Input scalar not in range", "Bad signature scalar!", "Failed to parse transaction from blob", and so on. I am assuming that this is just the next phase of attacks against the
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rbd
network but wanted to check. Up until today I was not getting any of these messages. I have another node not reporting these. They might be on different logging levels but I am not sure (several of these messages appear at the error level anyhow, whereas the 0.17.1.7-release node not showing them is showing the SYNCHRONIZED OK spam).
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rbd
At this point I am thinking .9 is just more chatty due to better network protocol error checking, but wanted to make sure
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binaryFate
/join #snipa-parler
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binaryFate
woops
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sech1
I also saw "Input scalar not in range" in my logs
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Mochi101
hehehe binaryFate... shhhh
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Mochi101
let the dust settle a bit
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Elementoshi[m]
Good morning, folks. How is everyone today?
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rbd
looks like my .9 daemon just crashed too, yeesh. the .7 node has been pretty stable, but both ones are not accepting incoming connections
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rbd
working fine after restarting it a few times. seems I was connected to a malicious peer
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ackroydai
is Monero becoming associated with right-wing political ideology?
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selsta
rbd: the issue seems unrelated if you don't have incoming connections
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_I3^RELATIVISM
uhh ackroydai ?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
why did you came to that conclusion
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_I3^RELATIVISM
also is not helpful to box up people
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_I3^RELATIVISM
that right left dictoctomy is not that productive
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_I3^RELATIVISM
there are things someone traditionaly boxed up as right might be right on as well as someone considered a leftists
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ackroydai
just from noticing subjects discussed on monero channels
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_I3^RELATIVISM
if you know what I man
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_I3^RELATIVISM
man=mean
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_I3^RELATIVISM
ackroydai: then you should respect people freedom of expression, and if you dont agree present based arguments agaisnt it
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the is the only productive way foward
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ackroydai
agreed, the answer is probably a compromise, but everything is polarized right now
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_I3^RELATIVISM
no not really dont agree
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_I3^RELATIVISM
discussion doesnt mean compromise at all
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_I3^RELATIVISM
just acknowledging when one is wrong
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_I3^RELATIVISM
ackroydai: also the world is not just the west
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_I3^RELATIVISM
so even though USA and Northern Europe are experience such intense polarization
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_I3^RELATIVISM
doesnt mean you should think everybody else will be unresenable
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agentpatience
way to paint everyone with the same brush
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_I3^RELATIVISM
?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
* doesn't mean you should think everybody will be unreasonable
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fluffydonkey[m]
Hello, I'm trying to understand the wallet RPC documentations.
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fluffydonkey[m]
for
monerodocs.org/interacting/monero-w…et-rpc-reference/#get_bulk_payments it returns a "tx_hash - string; Transaction hash used as the transaction ID."
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fluffydonkey[m]
Is that a hash of the transaction ID, the transaction ID, or something else?
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moneromooo
The transaction id.
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fluffydonkey[m]
Thanks
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fluffydonkey[m]
I'm working on a Monero payment system, and want to make sure that I have the correct understanding. The system is is designed as follows:
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fluffydonkey[m]
Is that correct? Am I missing anything?
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moneromooo
Ideally you'd use subaddresses instead, but otherwise yes.
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fluffydonkey[m]
@mone
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fluffydonkey[m]
damn it, Element
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fluffydonkey[m]
moneromooo: I thought integrated addresses were crated specifically for this kind of a usecase (i.e merchants receiving payments)
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fluffydonkey[m]
Why are subaddresses better?
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fluffydonkey[m]
They also encode the payment ID, according to the docs
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moneromooo
Subaddresses were created in an attempt to avoid having that optional extra data on txes. Ideally, everyhting would be using subaddresses for homogeneity.
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moneromooo
In practice, integrated addresses do have a few advantages, like really quick to create and without secret view key.
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moneromooo
There was some talk of deprecating integrated addresses, though that's died down I think.
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moneromooo
I'm not sure where the current consensus is nowadays.
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Mochi101
I vote to keep them.
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moneromooo
There's also a dummy short payment id now, so that blunts the homogeneity advantage.
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moneromooo
Actually, scratch that, it does not actually apply in this case.
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fluffydonkey[m]
Looks like in order to call `create_address`, the application needs to be synchronized on the `account_index`. I wish the wallet had some kind of an auto-increment feature for this
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fluffydonkey[m]
I have one more question:
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fluffydonkey[m]
In order to call `get_bulk_payments` I need to provide a `min_block_height`. How do I determine an appropriate block_height for this?
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moneromooo
The one you'd refreshed to earlier.
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fluffydonkey[m]
Well now that I think more about it, if I'm using sub-addresses, then `get_bulk_payments` wouldn't make sense right? Because I no longer have paymentIDs - which come with integrated_addresses
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moneromooo
It works with an empty list - you get all payments.
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fluffydonkey[m]
🤔 Integrated addresses seem much more elegant for this lol. Because then I also don't have to worry about cleaning up the sub-addresses
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moneromooo
What is a clean subaddress ?
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fluffydonkey[m]
Looks like I misunderstood things. I thought the sub-addresses had to be cleaned up.
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fluffydonkey[m]
I guess I could create a pool of them, and then keep track of new payments based on the block_height?
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fluffydonkey[m]
by cleaned up, I meant removed
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supus
When executing get_tx_proof in wallet-cli I get an OutProofV2, when calling get_tx_proof in wallet-rpc with the same arguments I get an InProofV2
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supus
Why are these commands doing different things?
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moneromooo
Possibly a bug.
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moneromooo
Are you really sure you used the same arguments ?
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supus
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moneromooo
Well, the example would not be from/to your wallet, so it's really neither in nor out.
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moneromooo
I'm surprised it'd not error out.
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moneromooo
Maybe it gets a proof of "0 received".
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moneromooo
What does check_tx_proof say when checking that particular proof ?
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supus
Error: error: Wrong signature size
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moneromooo
Barf.
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marmulak
huh
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moneromooo
er, to make things clear: I mean the proof you get when you run that example, not the proof on the page.
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supus
Oh no, just realized I did a mistake. Called get_tx_proof in the receiving wallet with the txid from an incoming transaction
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moneromooo
Is that a mistake ?
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supus
I think so, isn't it expected to generate an InProof for incoming transactions?
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moneromooo
It'll generate in or out depending on whether you received/sent. Same RPC.
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supus
Yeah, just checked with an outgoing transaction. Generates a OutProofV2 or an InProofV2 for the change address
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ndorf
for some reason, my node is unable to find any suitable outbound tor peers. the tor proxy itself seems to be working fine. anyone else?
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moneromooo
I have a number of outgoing tor peers, but the most recent one is 3 hours ago.
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moneromooo
There was an attack on tor a few days ago, which prevented connecting to v3 hidden services AIUI. Could be back maybe.
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moneromooo
Try connecting to: zbjkbsxc5munw3qusl7j2hpcmikhqocdf4pqhnhtpzw5nt5jrmofptid.onion
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moneromooo
That's one up (mine).
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_I3^RELATIVISM
unfortunately tor focus is no longer so much in security
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ndorf
i see, thanks
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_I3^RELATIVISM
and I think would be smart to rely on diferent projects
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_I3^RELATIVISM
like I2P
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_I3^RELATIVISM
or finalize the kovri project
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_I3^RELATIVISM
has discussed here many times before in this room
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moneromooo
I'll try to remember to add an i2p version at some point.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
hopefully I will be able to help eventually
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Villarejo
You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:
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Villarejo
And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.
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Inge-
this is a pretty good show:
youtu.be/hy8JhNgU8eI
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Inge-
latest Whatbitcoindid - touches on scalability and emission cap as well as an overall interesting discussion
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Monegro
When you say Tor focus is no longer on security. What do you mean by that?
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Monegro
I understand it is likely compromised in some ways. But other that say I2P, I always thought it was one of the better anonymity options
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_I3^RELATIVISM
the problem with TOR is its political battles within the project
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_I3^RELATIVISM
actually ostracizing people interested in improving it
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_I3^RELATIVISM
also the issue with TOR is because it uses the onion router idea
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_I3^RELATIVISM
which can with enough resources be targeted
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
I2P uses garlic routing
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_I3^RELATIVISM
which solves such issue
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
Monegro:
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donkeydonkey[m]
i heard the kovri project stopped development.. is it working or how close?
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moneromooo
anonimal switched to another project (name escapes me atm) that'd sit above kovri/tor/etc, then dropped off the radar for longer than usual. Like, months now.
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hyc
sekreta
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_I3^RELATIVISM
yes anonimal went dark
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_I3^RELATIVISM
probably change nick
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_I3^RELATIVISM
which I totally understand
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_I3^RELATIVISM
after all the nonsense
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donkeydonkey[m]
its there a whitepaper or any high level design docs on kovri
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
donkeydonkey:
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fluffydonkey[m]
Hi
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Kronovestan
I'm using a ledger with CLI.. When issuing the "sweep_all" command it asks for fee, then the amount is only pennies. I'm afraid to continue with the transaction fearing it won't include whole xmr?
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donkeydonkey[m]
<_I3^RELATIVISM "
gitlab.com/sekreta"> danke
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Monegro
What do y'all think about a Monero-politics subreddit, to get all the political posts quarantined away from the main sub, without having people cry about censorship?
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mmxxx[m]
sure
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mmxxx[m]
make it happen
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endor00[m]
Why would you make monero-politics when you already have politics?
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mmxxx[m]
don't need the parler boys in here crying about persecution
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endor00[m]
Unrelated: is there a check for a block's timestamp? Like, could a block get rejected because its timestamp is too far in the past or future?
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endor00[m]
(Assuming it's a valid block in all other aspects)
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endor00[m]
Just a random thought as I remembered about two consecutive blocks whose timestamps were "in the wrong order"
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endor00[m]
I understand that clock skew is a thing - and that's ok. But what if someone tried to force very skewed timestamps to manipulate netdiff calculations, or do other kinds of trickery?
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moneromooo
Yes, there's a two hour leeway IIRC.
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moneromooo
I think something like < 2 hours after local time and >= median of last N blocks or something like that,
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endor00[m]
Ok, cool
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_I3^RELATIVISM
knaccc: ping
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knaccc
pong
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rimugu[m]
<_I3^RELATIVISM "which can with enough resources "> What cannot be targeted with enough resources?
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_I3^RELATIVISM
rimugu: your argument is pointless
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_I3^RELATIVISM
garlic routing aka I2P is better in terms of targating
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_I3^RELATIVISM
rimugu: ^
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rimugu[m]
<_I3^RELATIVISM "rimugu: your argument is pointle"> Its not an argument is a question, it has a question mark and all.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
oh sorry my bad
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rimugu[m]
<_I3^RELATIVISM "garlic routing aka I2P is better"> I'll see about that, thank you
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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_I3^RELATIVISM
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fluffydonkey[m]
Is it possible to create a second wallet in the monero-wallet gui?
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fluffydonkey[m]
ahh. Nicely hidden away. I found it
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sadfasdfsadfasd
how do i check how many incoming rpc connecitons i got?
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dEBRUYNE
sadfasdfsadfasd: which oS?
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sadfasdfsadfasd
windows10