00:00:56 <moneromooo> Thanks
03:31:04 <magnisiusdingus> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is there a way to estimate the number of transactions on the monero blockchain?
03:32:30 <magnisiusdingus> From what I understand, it's probably not possible to calculate an absolute number, but I'd be fine with the directional movement of transactions over time (slope)
03:33:35 <ndorf> it's absolutely possible to count all the transactions
03:33:53 <ndorf> every transaction is visible, you just can't see the amounts, senders or recipients
03:34:59 <ndorf> here you can see that the latest block has 62 transactions: https://xmrchain.com/block/2271183
03:35:07 <ndorf> just look at every block and add them up :)
03:35:17 <magnisiusdingus> ahhh verygood
03:35:43 <magnisiusdingus> Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for
03:35:55 <ndorf> i think the total number of transactions in the chain is 13265248
03:36:18 <magnisiusdingus> That's for all time?
03:36:47 <ndorf> well, since monero's inception, which was in 2014
03:37:04 <ndorf> hm, actually it's 13124314 i think
03:37:19 <ndorf> something like that. you'll have to do the work yourself if you really need an exact number :)
03:37:28 <magnisiusdingus> sweet
03:37:38 <fibonacci> I want exactly...
03:37:51 <ndorf> fibonacci: i'll count them for you for the low low price of 10 XMR
03:38:13 <fibonacci> That is a great price I'll admit
03:38:22 <ndorf> caveat, they have to be mainnet XMR.
03:38:41 <magnisiusdingus> I was planning on creating a graph of transactions over time. Does like that already exist?
03:38:48 <ndorf> i believe so
03:38:57 <fibonacci> I only have mayo naise Monero
03:39:14 <ndorf> magnisiusdingus: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero-transactions.html
03:39:34 <ndorf> fibonacci: hm, not exactly what i wanted but it will go great with my XHM sandwich. you got a deal
03:39:35 <magnisiusdingus> ndorf, coming in clutch! Thanks!
03:44:15 <fibonacci> Sweet ndorf thx for the compromise
03:57:15 <magnisiusdingus> How is the float price of monero determined? There seems to be only 1 exchange that provides services to users in the U.S - which is a pretty massive market
04:00:01 <magnisiusdingus> XMR/USD I mean
04:13:00 <h2017> you should take that to #monero-markets
04:13:10 <h2017> i think
04:13:22 <h2017> just advice. not my place to tell people what to do of course
04:14:03 <magnisiusdingus> Thanks, I'll ask there
04:14:22 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> What is the deadline to settle the ring size question in order to make the next fork? https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/79
04:19:32 <nioc> time of the next fork is not set yet
04:19:46 <h2017> interesting data
04:20:26 <h2017> this implies that when arcturus/tryptic is incorporated, there will be an anonyminity set of size 1 million after only 3 churns
04:20:30 <nioc> if ring size is increased it will be done along with bullet proofs +
04:21:21 <h2017> the ring size will be increased with arcturus/tryptic anyway, so why are people bothering to do this before that?
04:21:21 <nioc> and that would need to be done after an audit which hasn't been approved to be sent to funding yet
04:22:49 <nioc> h2017: it will be a while b4 tryptych and arcturas are ready to be added
04:24:51 <h2017> does anyone have an estimate on that?
04:25:07 <nioc> it is a matter of debate whether or not an interim increase in ringsize that BP+ can help facilitate brings enough benefit
04:25:40 <nioc> no estimate
04:26:26 <h2017> no back of the envelope ETA based on development history?
04:26:53 <h2017> no matter
04:27:13 <nioc> BP+ is second half of this year if things move in that direction which seems probable
04:28:27 <nioc> the other 2 are relatively new and need more work
04:28:49 <nioc> difficult ti give a time estimate but maybe next year
04:29:20 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <nioc "difficult ti give a time estimat"> that seems like a good reason to increase ring size this year to me
04:29:21 <nioc> wild guess is at least a year after BP+
04:29:43 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> with bp+ like you said
04:31:37 <nioc> what do you get from an increase besides a nice warm feeling :)
04:31:40 <nioc> I'll leave that up to the brains we have that can evaluate it
04:33:06 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <nioc "what do you get from an increase"> I dont have more to add to the GitHub debate but I do think the warm feeling is worth something. Also computers are fast enough now to make verification times at 15-17 faster than they were for 11 when we moved to that
04:34:59 <nioc> AIUI verification time is mostly limited by the protocol
04:35:19 <nioc> not talking about synching daemon or wallet here
04:35:57 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> > <@freenode_nioc:matrix.org> what do you get from an increase besides a nice warm feeling :)
04:35:57 <u29601mg6ba93j[m>  * I dont have more to add to the GitHub debate but I do think the warm feeling is worth something. Also protocol improvements have been enough now to make verification times at 15-17 faster than they were for 11 when we moved to that
04:36:05 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <nioc "AIUI verification time is mostly"> thanks. edited
04:37:42 <nioc> u29601mg6ba93j[m: I misread your statement, confused 15-17 rings with 15-17x better verification times lol
04:38:47 <nioc> also note that in that github chart it states for verification time it lists (sig + balance only)
04:39:14 <nioc> not the total verification time
04:39:32 <nioc> so difficult for mr to make a comparison
04:51:54 <fibonacci>  Why do all these "blockchain giants" use a centralized heavily moderated server like Twitter exactly?
04:53:35 <gingeropolous> because the biggest megaphones are still the most effective regardless of how moderated
04:53:43 <gingeropolous> or censored
04:55:16 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> zcash "community" forum is heavily moderated too. Ive heard about roommates, classmates, etc (shared IP) getting accounts shut down (same IP) for being sock-puppets
05:00:09 <monerofanboy> Heavy moderated server like twitter?
05:01:14 <monerofanboy> Find one hosting provider/e-mail provider/domain name registrar that does not have a health and safety exception to their TOS/privacy policy.
05:02:17 <monerofanboy> Unless you are using a true bulletproof web host, those providers do not exist.
05:07:15 <monerofanboy> And if the sacking of the capital of the oldest surviving democracy in the world, directed from that platform, I do not know what would count as a health and safety exception, I have nothing for you.
05:08:42 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <monerofanboy "Unless you are using a true bull"> What do you think about IPFS or similar?
05:09:40 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> Eventually we will have more decentralized social media sites with many users
05:11:37 <monerofanboy> That assumes people will use it.
05:11:58 <monerofanboy> Remember Google+, Google's version of Facebook, how far did that go?
05:12:14 <monerofanboy> People want "apps" on their phones that make things stupid simple.
05:13:29 <monerofanboy> Google bans Parler from their app store, yet anyone an sideload Parler. How many people are going to do that? The people on this IRC yes, but common everyday people?
05:13:38 <monerofanboy> can*
05:14:47 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> I see your point. It will take time to educate the masses. Perhaps longer than I hope
05:14:48 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> I
05:15:40 <monerofanboy> And you can sideload whatever you want on iOS if you are willing to spend $100 a year on a cert and learn how sign apps, but how many every day common people are willing to entertain that idea? I don't give the general masses too much credit, but that is just me.
05:16:31 <u29601mg6ba93j[m>  * I wish everyone could use Element on GrapheneOS today and easily use Monerujo to make donations to many privacy focused FOSS projects
05:24:09 <monerofanboy> Don't get me wrong, I support pro-privacy/freedom of speech organizations like protonmail, njal.la and flokinet, but I see why all three of those have a health & safety exception. That's just my personal opinion. Sorry for getting off topic.
05:42:41 <orly_owl> #monero-offtopic
06:37:37 <mmxxx[m]> <monerofanboy "Google bans Parler from their ap"> They don't even have a server https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-parler-aws
06:40:46 <reedsmeeds> Are there resources for merchants wanting to accept Monero?
06:46:31 <nioc> reedsmeeds: not sure what you are looking for, there are payment gateways listed here  https://www.getmonero.org/community/merchants/
08:46:34 <reedsmeeds> Are there any self-hosted opensource payment gateways for Monero?
09:02:28 <Mochi101> reedsmeeds, use case?
09:06:17 <reedsmeeds> Mochi101I want to set up a shop, and not use an external payment gateway
09:07:04 <zed19[m]> monero takin off to da moon
09:48:09 <Inge-> reedsmeeds: btcpayserver with monero integration?
09:54:41 <reedsmeeds> https://web.getmonero.org/community/merchants/#payment-gateways   Bidali isn't a payment gateway, and doesn't even accept Monero
10:15:17 <fluffypony> reedsmeeds: open a PR to remove it then
10:15:36 <reedsmeeds> where? GH?
10:15:41 <fluffypony> yeah
10:15:46 <reedsmeeds> Will do
10:15:48 <fluffypony> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site
12:00:27 <PotCoiner420> Hello
12:17:07 <PotCoiner> Hello
12:36:45 <krabik2014> FUK has bееn intеnsеly hostilе to Monеro for ovеr 4 yеars. Making minеrs for Monеro, making a pool for Monеro, making codе that Monеro copiеd, not using bugs to stеal millions from еxchangеs. Wow. Such grеat hostility.
13:22:37 <hiddener> hi, what is the alphanumeric after txid in out transaction?
13:23:01 <hiddener> in cli wallet I mean
13:26:51 <moneromooo> That depends where. You did not say.
13:31:07 <hiddener> moneromooo: on Android
13:33:04 <hiddener> https://ibb.co/WWtxRNd
13:33:49 <moneromooo> The 00...67 ? That's a payment id.
13:36:20 <hiddener> moneromooo: yeah that, thanks
15:01:44 <gingeropolous> ugh. we need a firefox plugin that identifies crypto scam websites
15:02:04 <gingeropolous> i wonder if firefox would put it in by default
15:05:31 <orly_owl> consider donating lots of money to mozilla
15:09:24 <hyc> how would it identify them?
15:09:46 <hyc> would there be a centralized database listing scams? it should be usable by any web browser
15:11:46 <gingeropolous> yeah, centralized database
15:12:06 <gingeropolous> managed by none other than the best finger pointers of scams, the monerians
15:16:04 <rbrunner> Everybody who does not donate at least 10 XMR per year into any CCS will be labelled as scam :)
15:16:26 <gingeropolous> solid
15:17:50 <gingeropolous> i wonder if antivirus companies will take it up
15:18:05 <gingeropolous> yah know, they all have these "web security" features now
15:18:16 <Wolver[m]> you could write up a hosts file blocking all the scam sites if your so inclined
15:18:39 <gingeropolous> yeah my grandmom aint gonna know what to do with a hosts file
15:19:20 <orly_owl> tell her its a recipe for her computer
18:55:23 <GoldenAngle> herro
20:45:35 <mnt_grrrl> anyone willing to help host xmr related torrents?
20:46:48 <Mochi101> more info
20:49:39 <mnt_grrrl> looking for people to host pinodexmr torrents. Pinodexmr is a software that makes a raspberry pi into a monero full public node plus i2p and tor
20:50:59 <Mochi101> what's required of the host?
20:51:17 <Mochi101> and how big are the archives
20:52:19 <mnt_grrrl> there are two or 3 we are still working that out
20:52:56 <mnt_grrrl> most important 8gb 2nd most important about 45gb and biggest and least important 100gb
20:53:34 <mnt_grrrl> down loading the software via a torrent software and keeping it running
20:53:55 <Lyza> I'm seeding a bunch of torrents anyway and I have lots of space. As long as I'm not going to get any DMCA notices
20:54:22 <mnt_grrrl> I dont see why
20:54:30 <Lyza> me either :D
20:54:37 <mnt_grrrl> that would be awesome Lyza may I pm you when it is ready?
20:54:42 <Lyza> for sure
20:56:22 <Mochi101> pm me too
20:56:45 <Inge-> is it just a torrent link you throw into torrent sw that downloads and then leers the file(s)?
20:57:01 <Mochi101> may not me 100% uptime but I'll seed when I can.
21:05:19 <mnt_grrrl> Mochi101, perfect
21:05:36 <mnt_grrrl> Inge-, that is my understanding but Lyza might have more info
21:05:44 <mnt_grrrl> this is one thing I have never done
21:07:15 <sethsimmons> <mnt_grrrl "looking for people to host pinod"> Please DM to me as well, will happily seed 🙂
21:07:19 <Lyza> yeah as long as one person is seeding initially, you can just throw it in a torrent client, download and it should start seeding automatically
21:07:34 <Lyza> for best results you're gonna wanna make sure you have the appropriate port forwarded
21:10:09 <mnt_grrrl> sethsimmons, will do
21:10:25 <mnt_grrrl> Lyza, that is what I thought thank you
21:19:00 <r3dh3ad[m]> anyone know if the TOR nodes on Monero World are working and safe?
21:19:09 <sethsimmons> Sometimes freenode to Matrix DMs don’t work well so ping me here if you DM me and I don’t respond mnt_grrrl
21:20:22 <mnt_grrrl> sethsimmons, :)
21:20:45 <sethsimmons> Heh
21:20:52 <sethsimmons> I’ll try DMing you
21:22:36 <sethsimmons> DMd.
21:29:46 <sethsimmons> Doesn’t seem to be working today.
21:30:01 <sethsimmons> If any of these methods work hit me up there: https://sethsimmons.me/about/#how-to-contact-me
21:30:01 <sethsimmons> mnt_grrrl ^
21:32:03 <mnt_grrrl> will do
21:43:09 <jebba> mnt_grrrl:  can't you just paste the torrent url here? What am i missing? I presume this is to seed the downloading of the initial blockchain to the Pi?
21:46:28 <mnt_grrrl> jebba, because I need to know there are people who are willing to do thing so I can say tell the dev person there are people willing to do this. Also because knowing something is willing to seed via run it a few hours a day is important
21:47:09 <mnt_grrrl> the software includes a os with webserver specifically for monero related stuff
21:47:20 <jebba> mnt_grrrl: ah, gotcha. Anyway, i can set up a bunch of seeds too.
21:47:27 <jebba> cool
21:47:33 <jebba> i presume it is all free software
21:47:47 <mnt_grrrl> yes it is and I will add you to my list
21:48:02 <Mochi101> DMCA Takedown notices for everybody!
21:48:13 <Mochi101> :P
21:48:27 <jebba> It's just blockchain + free software, that's pretty solid foothold.
21:48:46 <mnt_grrrl> yes that is what it is
21:50:24 <jebba> mnt_grrrl:  this project? https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR
21:50:33 <mnt_grrrl> yes
21:52:15 <jebba> n1 :)
21:57:00 <Adamas[m]> okay i tried everything even redownloaded the blockchain. I keep having sync data returned a new block candidate and SYNCRONIZATION started and host blocked. always around 200 blocks behind.
21:57:13 <Adamas[m]> and i never become fully synced.
21:58:07 <mnt_grrrl> Adamas[m], hardware
21:59:45 <selsta> Adamas[m]: which version do you have?
22:00:36 <Adamas[m]> <selsta "Adamas: which version do you hav"> 17.1.9
22:02:03 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> Good day to watch this old video made by a Monero community member
22:02:11 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MO76iY4ik9Q
22:08:02 <mnt_grrrl> Adamas[m], what is your hardware setup?
22:08:13 <mnt_grrrl> and os?
22:11:49 <Adamas[m]> arch linux with 6800k
22:11:58 <Adamas[m]> more than enough ram
22:15:42 <toochi[m]> I'm reading the "Report of Attorney General for cryptocurrency" and this sentence made me angry: "The Department considers the use of AECs
22:15:42 <toochi[m]> to be a high-risk activity that is indicative
22:15:42 <toochi[m]> of possible criminal conduct"
22:15:55 <toochi[m]> Page 41 of: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1326061/download
22:16:35 <toochi[m]> why criminal activity?! What if I just believe in the idea!
22:17:40 <toochi[m]> AEC == anonymity enhanced
22:17:40 <toochi[m]> cryptocurrencies
22:19:31 <monerofanboy> " Attorney General for cryptocurrency"
22:20:14 <monerofanboy> Will Barr was what I would best describe as a "a typical" attorney general.
22:20:20 <toochi[m]> "Report of the Attorney General’s Cyber Digital Task Force: Cryptocurrency Enforcement Framework"
22:20:38 <monerofanboy> His office took hard lines views on what are usually moderate subjects.
22:20:56 <monerofanboy> And with a new administration/AG taking over in a few weeks.
22:21:10 <monerofanboy> I would not be overly concerned with that report.
22:23:11 <monerofanboy> Merrick Garland is a very moderate/traditional jurist. I would expect him to take a similar stance as AG, especially when comparing him to Will Barr.
22:25:18 <monerofanboy> idk, either way, I would expect policy changes with the incoming administration, compared to the Trump administration.
22:25:47 <toochi[m]> but liberals tend to want more control, not less
22:26:12 <nioc> outgoing treasury secretary Mnuchin also has a nebative view of CC and mad some last minute rules goin out the door
22:26:42 <nioc> I imagine that there was communication between those 2 departments
22:27:02 <nioc> they both have proven that they want control
22:27:38 <monerofanboy> "but liberals tend to want more control, not less"
22:27:44 <monerofanboy> That's not exactly true.
22:27:54 <toochi[m]> Also, looking at that report, it seems they love their blockchain analysis tools (Page 48, "Figure 18: Example of an Illicit Transaction Path Developed Through Blockchain Analysis"). Monero has to be really scary for them.
22:28:31 <monerofanboy> From a policy standpoint, democrats tend to support individual freedoms.
22:28:40 <monerofanboy> And net neutrality.
22:28:47 <toochi[m]> yeah monerofanboy, I agree it depends on the topic
22:29:13 <monerofanboy> I mean every party wants tax revenue from crypto, that's a given.
22:29:21 <toochi[m]> yup
22:29:33 <monerofanboy> The same way every party wanted to collect sales tax from Amazon in each state.
22:29:33 <Quotes> diisssscoonneeeeeee ♪ ┗(＾0＾)┓ ♪
22:30:02 <monerofanboy> But I do not think the incoming administration will be worse on Monero than the current administration.
22:30:13 <monerofanboy> worse, meaning "harder"
22:33:25 <toochi[m]> I remember in 2012 when I discovered Bitcoin and was trying to explain it to people. Most people were cynical and weren't excited by the idea. Their main argument was: "Governments will shut that down".
22:33:39 <selsta> Adamas[m]: what is the output of "status" ?
22:34:41 * pikachu[m] uploaded an image: a50da07.png (140KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YCJnbrKkAVWRcspSYpcLKHqC/a50da07.png >
22:35:06 <toochi[m]> monerofanboy:
22:35:24 <toochi[m]>  * monerofanboy: is there any chance that they explicitly ban it?
22:35:44 <toochi[m]> what's the current view in the community? (I don't follow it too much)
22:36:32 <orly_owl> hodl!
22:36:44 <monerofanboy> chance, a chance always exists. But I don't see it happening anytime soon, if it does ever happen.
22:37:05 <orly_owl> pikachu[m]: nice
22:40:31 <toochi[m]> I'm using this weekend to learn more about the current affair of things. In particular, I read/investigated about the status of atomic swaps. It seems that we'll need to wait until Q4 2021 for Bitcoin to come out with the "Schnorr/Taproot" feature. Arg, I'm so impatient :)
22:42:10 <toochi[m]>  * I'm using this weekend to learn more about the current state of things. In particular, I read/investigated about the status of atomic swaps. It seems that we'll need to wait until Q4 2021 for Bitcoin to come out with the "Schnorr/Taproot" feature. Arg, I'm so impatient :)
22:53:01 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <toochi[m] "I'm using this weekend to learn "> I think it was wise to develop the swaps based on schnorr/taproot but hope that the dependency does not lead to long delays because of what is outside of our control (bitcoin feature activation schedule)
22:55:25 <Inge-> Bitcoin is in unchartered territory for hard forking new features.
23:37:18 <toochi[m]> do they need to hard fork for that feature? I read soft fork
23:55:26 <Hella_Coin> Hi everyone!
23:56:13 <donkeydonkey[m]> hola