Hello XMR users, I just got a Trezor Model T. Is it better to create a HW wallet with a pre-existing seed or transfer my XMR over to my new HW wallet address?

brb

the backup seed is used to restore a hardware wallet if your trezor breaks or something

if a trezor breaks you can reset a new wallet with the same keys using the seed so you don't lose your funds

if you have a new trezor and you are not using it to replace a broken/lost one, then you should just let it initialise with whatever seed it gives you and make sure to write it down

if you are replacing a lost one and you think someone else might have the seed you should restore the wallet and transfer the funds out immediately to any other wallet

seems like he left

or not

I'm here

No, I have an ordinary XMR wallet. I just got a Trezor Model T

oto if you think someone else has the seed and you don't have a spare wallet there is a way to get the monero keys from the hardware seed

that's what i'm talking about. so it sounds like you have a new wallet. so just set it up the way it tells you to in the instructions, then create a new monero wallet (but linked to it)

then transfer from your old wallet to the new wallet linked to the hardware wallet

so 1) set up the hardware wallet 2) create a new monero wallet linked to the hardware wallet 3) transfer from old software wallet to new hardware wallet

How do I do #3

Transfer as in through monero-wallet-cli?

like send XMR?

i haven't used the cli wallet. i know how to set up a full node with monero and i've used the gui wallet

and i don't want to tell you any thing unless i give you a wrong instruction somewhere along the way

h2017: I have a remote node on a separate machine which I SSH tunnel into

My monero blockchain isn't running on the same machine as my wallet machine

same

i don't tunnel. i just make whatever tcp connection it makes. i think it's secure. it's over my lan anyway

Infinity8: yes, send/transfer the XMR to the address of the new wallet

okay, well i guess it's safer to just send the monero into my hardware monero wallet as the keys aren't exposed yet

definitely

ndorf: So if my Trezor breaks. I simply re-enter the seed into my Trezor and monero-wallet-cli will restore the exact same wallet?

or should I be backing up the wallet file?

you only need the seed to recover the funds. however, if you care about metadata such as which addresses you have sent to, you might want to back up the wallet file

don't quote me because if i'm wrong it could cost you a million bucks. i believe that all you need is the wallet seed and you are safe

It's fine h2017. I usually test restoring with small amount first

that's right. if you don't keep your monero wallet backed up you can lose stuff like your address book etc.

to clarify, the history of txids and amounts will be recovered from the seed. but the destination addresses of outgoing transactions do not

will not, rather

the only life or death thing is your wallet seed

yup

life *and* death i meant

write down your seeds and put them somewhere safe

next, write your seeds down and put them in a different safe location

and what the hell, do it again

i have cryptosteel capsules for that

I have paper and pen

what if the paper is in a housefire?

I have them in various locations

not various locations in the house

some people frown on hardware wallets as just an annoyance. you decide. i've got some so i'm guilty of likeing the idea. but something like cryptosteel capsules are *not* debatable.

even if you don't want a hardware wallet you should have recovery seeds stored in non-destructable ways

nioc in that case you have increased your risk by having duplicated your seeds

someone steals your steel

they are very safe

srone tablets

stone*

it's a risk not having a duplicate

or you memorize them

also wen you die your moneros should not go to the grave with you

damn I hit my head

people think 25 words is difficult to memorize but it is not

memorization is read and repeat till its written on your biological HDD

xD

or SSD

and then repeat for your whole life

people are not indestructible

people used to memorize whole books back in the day to preserve their knowledge

yep

that works for things that you can get a whole bunch of people to memorize

they also had strokes

secret keys worth $$$, not so much

even if you don't have any next of kin you care about, surely you'd rather it go to some cause than just vanish?

hello

what if i get alzeheimers

<nioc "people are not indestructible"> some are

I have multiple copies of my seed stored in different geographical locations

in the history of man there hasn't been one

only issue is that they're stored in locations with seismic activity

so CryptoSteel would be a good investment?

<nioc "in the history of man there hasn"> i mean psychologically

ok

the attacks are still going, or it's a problem on our side? after the upgrade to .8 release that should improve protection against some of the attacks - seems it has introduced some kind of a bug where it completely stops responding - even to monero wallet rpc that is running locally.

ocb you still have to use the banlist for .8

it has happened once that the node has stopped responding completely even though it was running.

h2017: i will look into it, thanks.

I must be the lucky one that never has a problem running monero, daemon always runnin

hopefully for .9 the attacker will be shut down

I couldn't figure out for the longest time why my .8 wallet wouldn't connect to my .7 node lol

he';ll probably find something again but there's less and less low hanging fruit for him

nioc: do you have incoming connections?

my daemons lose inbound over time

one no longer has any

the other very few

<nioc "people are not indestructible"> youtube.com/watch?v=Hj2vU2nr5Jw

<zed19[m] "and then repeat for your whole l"> or just memorize the self-destruct luks pass phrase in defense of the good ole kneecapping attack

question: the banlist - it will actually block connections from tor in case the attack is coming from tor?

oh to be young lol

ocb i can't remember the url to the instructions. there is a list that comes from DNS and there's a flag for that, but the DNS db can't contain records over a certain size so there's still a banlist which has all the tor nodes

someone give ocb a link to the latest instructions

my daemon is getting some new OOM attack with .8, i think

is this known already?

yes

k

you can apply this block list gui.xmr.pm/files/block_tor_new.txt

thanks

selsta: asy linked a guide on port forwarding so I assume that it is good

will try next time I open a bottle of barolo

afaik your node will not crash if you have 64GB ram or no incoming connections

my inbound connections stay up for a few days and then dwindle away

thank you selsta . i will look into the list as i would not be happy to block people that want to use monero and our remote node in a legit way. it's like telling - no you can't have privacy through tor while connecting to my node. that brings another question from me - the next release .9 will also rely on banlists which will be static or is it actually going to fix tries of exploiting the .. bug .. if that's the name to fill up the memory.

ndorf: and yes, i'm getting some different kind of attack too on .8 where daemon only hangs.

ocb i think 0.9 is supposed to be effective but there's always a possibility that the attacker will find something else so you should check your status periodically to see if your node died or whatever, and if it did then you'll need the ban list all over again

ocb: people who want to use monero with tor should read docs/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md. you don't want to connect to a regular node using a tor exit node. you want to connect to a tor node that runs as a hidden service, and doesn't use an exit node

we did fix what the attacker was exploiting at every release, but they changed attack

difficult to instantly fix all variations of an attack

ocb: hang as in freeze?

ocb eventually the attacker will be defeated

ocb: if you want to help such people you should also read the same document, so you can set up your monero node to be a tor node if you like

ndorf: i agree, but it's up to monero node administrator to decide if he wants to use tor. i think tor is under big surveillance starting from OVH nodes and the change on the network couple of years ago - i you remember. :)

ocb in a way the attacker is only helping monero, but he's doing it in a way that's annoying to the devels. he wrecked their christmas

selsta yes a freeze. it runs for a while but .. then i saw it's up for like 36 hours and i thought the attacks have stopped. actually, the node froze and wasn't accepting any connections, not even from local monero wallet cli to rpc

but one way to get security issues made top priority is to stage an attack

so maybe the devel is on the side of the angels in some way

i mean our attacker

i will look into the logs if i have them still, as we keep no logs longer than 24 hours

i had a weird thing happen where the daemon refused to exit cleanly on SIGTERM. it did drop all p2p connections, but stayed up and continued responding to RPC

ended up having to kill -9 it in the end

ocb: rpc freezing seems to be a bug, but we did not look into it fully yet

but we are focussing on the attack now

it was introduced in .8 .. i mean, it has never happened until now and the node is running almost 2 years.

i thought it may be connected to either .8 or the attack. i will check into logs if there's any left. brb

h2017: sadly, ye no christmas for some.. devs are fighting them. but monero will win hopefully :)

I assume this is related

a bug like this existed for a while, but it wasn’t widespread and difficult to reproduce

selsta: there's absolutely no log about anyting happening, but it's low verbosity if any. on start of the node there was no sync info and 36+ hours later i restarted the container and - ...candidate: 2266674 -> 2267942 [Your node is 1268 blocks (1.8 days) behind]

i know this means nothing to you, if i manage to catch the log will let you know

thanks for the link

this sounds like the whole daemon froze

are you using --enable-dns-blocklist ?

hm, i'm guessing the error "Unable to send

transaction(s) via Dandelion++ stem" is attack-related?

selsta: this is the only config termbin.com/dd0o afaik not using and blocklists

ndorf: no

what is the output of "status" ?

ocb: ok, not clear why it froze

will start some verbose logging and see if it happens again. thanks for all the help :)

that error was from before the daemon restarted :\

ndorf: afaik this shows up sometimes, not related to the attack

can be ignored

does it mean the tx was sent the old way, without D++? it was confirmed

do you use --tx-proxy with Tor?

nope. no tor on this node

ok, then you can ignore it

cool, thanks

don’t know why it shows up exactly but as you said it might have sent via old way

but I have seen this since we had D++

and it's worse somehow when using Tor?

when using Tor a similar message can show up if you don’t have any Tor out peers

guess i might as well set that up while i'm on the topic, heh

there are now default seed nodes for tor. but not for i2p? or is it both?

there are seed nodes for both

but i2p generally is less used

yeah, i was just noticing that the doc stated in multiple places that there are no seed nodes and they must be manually specified

guess all that can just be removed?

yep

markets pumping

.xmr

xmr is rogue

not part of the market

I'd like to see monero succeed as a cryptocurrency. 30GB is still to big for normal people to host a node. Can you tell me what are the minimum requirements to do mining?

ask6155: Power source and a functional computer

preferably with hardware AES instructions

Hmm, I understand that part, but is that worthwhile? Even if I don't make any monero, can a regular person mine and have some impact?

hello! I have a question: Is a raspberry pi 1 good for a node?

ask6155: why would normal people host a node?

think about it in the context of email

how many people do you know that use gmail / outloook.com / some other hosted service

vs. their own custom email domain

and the barrier to entry to registering a domain and using it for email is MUCH lower than running a Monero node!

30gb is ridicolously low :o

Hi, I'm unable to refresh my wallet, logs says "found new pool tx" and then it errors on "net.http contrib/epee/include/storages/portable_storage_from_bin.h:291 Too many objects"

and it keeps looping, can anyone help me?

I'm using a my nearby synchronized remote node

I already deleted my wallet (not key) file to restart the refresh, but it seems to fail at the same location on the blockchain (yesterday it said 197004 blocks left to scan IIRC)

I'm using monero-gui-v0.17.1.8 and monero-aarch64-linux-gnu-v0.17.1.7

fluffypony, The reason why normal people don't host their own email server is the same reason why email, while being federated, is still pretty much centralized to 3-4 companies. I wouldn't want that with monero.

the point I'm trying to make is that you can't have a blockchain without it taking up space

and disk space is pretty cheap at the moment

of all the places where Monero's decentralisation inefficiencies might be problematic, disk space is not it

bandwidth and latency are the problem areas

and then disk speed and CPU (particularly for IBD)

fluffypony: what do you think about minaprotocol?

never heard of it

pedroape1o try to update your node to 0.17.1.8 and use the tor block list: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ko3d1n…date_on_the_ongoing_network_attacks

sech1: OK I'll look into that

fluffypony: that's a constant-size blockchain project, it uses recursive snarks for that purpose

ah interesting

it's a little like MW, though - you're solving for one particular scalability aspect

and that's not a bad thing, I just don't see how it makes a difference if at scale you need 10gbps Internet to run a node but only 500mb of disk space

then you're still precluding most people who can run a node

well, i was pretty disappointed about MW when I realized a range proof still had to be kept for each transaction

pedroape1o: yeah MW definitely isn't perfect

yeah you still some kind of cap to avoid the 10gbps requirement for sure

need some*

What is the best way to help the network when stuck behind an ISP NAT?

get a vpn, or proxy through a server you own. So basically the same thing.

You can also run a node on a VPS.

sech1: refreshing resumed, great! I did not set the blocklist yet.

Does monero support communication over ipv6?

fluffypony: what I'm excited about with mina is the ability to run a full node on my phone and to synchronize instantaneously

requiring 16GB of RAM to generate the snarks proofs and producing blocks is also less optimal

not optimal*

yeah proxy would make sense I guess. My VPS doesn't have enough resources for monerod

thanks

is getmonero.org down?

nope

Hi

.isup getmonero.org

it's up

I think 1.1.1.3 dns marks getmonero.org as malware

What kind of person steals from own community?np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/_ Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'.

jess: You are needed urgently to save fluffypony's honour ^^

ask6155: twitter.com/epatryk/status/1266062095512199168

I guess, like the watches, you'll never live that down hey fluffypony. :P

Mochi101: I don't think one scammer desperately trying to keep their Monero fork alive is relevant, but ok

fluffypony, whomever it is... seems pretty petty and desperate... Seems like they're on the verge of crossing over the line to clinically-psycho too.

indeed

looked it up on CMC, they had $500 of volume yesterday

More than expected...

[0njoin #monero-dev

hi, I am syncing the blockchain with monerod and have noticed both low cpu (5-8%) and low network usage (few bytes/s) when syncing... dont know why it is taking so long to sync with almost no resources being used heavily.. I think syncing could be optimized to be a lot faster

<Psynthax> bottleneck is usually disk i/o. a ssd is recommended

high I/O wait should show up in top or any other monitoring tool

is flash storage, like flash drives and sd cards, faster than an ssd?

no

so they're the same?

generally SSDs use higher quality flash memory than those cards

also SSDs have multiple parallel command channels

is a flash drive faster than an hdd?

and faster interfaces overall

maybe. some really cheap flash drives are quite slow

I think too, if the issue isn't disk IO, increasing outgoing connections count from 12 can help. and maybe the --fast-block-sync or --block-sync-size flags though I haven't messed with them myself

fast block sync is the default already

(IIRC)

yeah looks like those commands might be redundant with --db-sync-mode actually, and 'fast' is definitely default for that during initial sync

hello

when v15 hardfork will happen

No plans at this point.

around?

no plans means no plans

We don't do scheduled hard forks on a regular basis anymore, haven't since the implementation of RandomX.

We will hardfork when necessary for some protocol improvement in the future, but no planned HF at this time.

i dunno that thats been unofficially officially stated has it?

of course its impossible to get through the cryptoverse the fact that monero had scheduled hardforks before the PoW war

so while there's no plans, i wouldn't be surprised if theres some momentum building for something come the spring. there seems to be a ringsize bump thats on low heat right now, and some p2p protocol mitigation stuff that only works best when the whole network is on it

selsta potentially bad IP 135.181.96.138 (stuck at block 2263960, syncing, Hetzner)

sorry 135.181.96.139

<gingeropolous "so while there's no plans, i wou"> Thats not a regularly scheduled hard fork, thats as needed.

We don't know when the next will be and its dependent on a clear improvement being implemented/

eh, i always interpreted the plan as a sort of window of high probability

and its sort of organically fallen into that, with some shifts.

but basically, to be on the lookout for monero network upgrades around certain times of the year

and we've learned that the start of the academic year is not a good month :) so its shifted to october. which makes some sense due to the nature of most FOSS contributors perhaps

well i guess that would end of august really

end of summer not good. i dunno. It's kinda launching to mars. There's a schedule where things line up for launch opportunities

but yes, as needed sethsimmons :)

Just submitted my CCS proposal for the next 3 months of work on the website: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/199

what do you guys think of wrapped monero?

This is more balanced imo -> twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1346848549393358848

Well said and more detailed, for sure :)

It could be useful for buying xmr through stablecoins without having to use a centralised exchange

As long as you can redeem and have access to BTSE, yes.

No way to unwrap except through BTSE.

of course there is no reason to hold any wrapped assets

but I guess it doesn't really matter anyway since depositing, swapping and withdrawing in eth would cost like 70$ just in transaction fees currently

Its nuts these days with no end in sight...

yeah, btc and eth has made little progress since 2017 for transaction fees. I'm thinking it is at least a big limiting factor but lots of users will just use alternatives as this is completely unusable currently

I for one would have made many transactions on eth in december which I ended up doin with other cryptos

why eth?

because my bank blocks payments to all exchanges but doesn't block minting stablecoins, so that used to be my entry point from fiat

orly

haven't heard that before

which country is this?

It's Revolut

oh

you can send from Revolut to Coinbase Pro

Have to use it unfortunately

I don't trust coinbase, they did some shady things I don't like

and they always go down when the market is making big moves

well, they're very heavy on the fees and used to opaque with them

but coinbase pro has served me well

* well, they're very heavy on the fees and used to be opaque/dishonest with them

since eth fees are so insane, I started using bisq

no kyc, private, open source, works great

i wish more people migrate to decentralized exchanges

it's odd trading decentralized currencies on centralized exchanges

yeah, but there hasn't been a dex so far that has proper live limit trading with little latency

openbazaar had some promise

that's not an exchange, but a marketplace as far as I know

a marketplace that could be used to trade anything

I bought a lot of altcoins on there

ltc, doge, xmr

when you mine a stable coin you get the stable coin as the reward? I didn't know

doesn't that imply the stable coin issuer is giving you something for free?

you don't mine a stable coin, you mint a stablecoin

like minting new currency

you send fiat to the issuer, they mint the same amount of stablecoins

nice. Kraken withdrawal fees: BTC - 18$ XMR - ~1 cent

anyone know why the heck Mullvad still doesn't accept Monero?

IIRC some community effort was made to reach out to them in like 2018 but nothing ever came of it?

Inge-: sincerely hope the withdraw before you transact rule gets put into effect :)

They would if they could.

btc withdrawal fees from most exchanges are obscene

coinbase pro seem to the only reasonable option

what is it there?

it's about a 1 usd

0.00002951 btc

the best i've seen in years

wow. those batch transactions are paying off

if one is using a remote node, and restores a wallet from height 0, does that mean the entire 100GB blockchain is then transferred from the remote node to the wallet?

<ndorf "if one is using a remote node, a"> A portion of it, but not the entire thing

IIRC 2/3 or something similar

yeah, i guess it should be closer to the "pruned" size

but still, tens of gigs, right?

i don't see any other way it could work, but wanted to check if i was maybe missing something

AFAIK yes, as its not a light wallet in any way and has to check all blocks locally for transactions

probably not a good idea to run a public node if one has a data cap then, huh?

Just dont advertise RPC

And set bw limits

how do you advertise RPC? --public-node?

i think so

Yes

tx

“I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony about Monero

jess: You need to save fluffypony's honour right now ^^

where did you pull that from?

it's like the one night stand that got pregnant. fluffy got played

geonic: not your keys and so on ...

Marilyn always gets her way

can someone help me with the errors loading the blockchain?

going to try to redownload

Paste the errors to pastebin.com or paste.debian.net, and post the link here.

If you used a custom command line, paste that command line too.

redownloaded and is syncing now! must have accidentally deleted some files or somethign

I tried many times running node but always failed

<pikachu[m] "I tried many times running node "> This might help: sethsimmons.me/guides/run-a-monero-node

<sethsimmons "This might help: sethsim"> Monerod closes when it says synchronize started

I didn't do anything for getting corrupted

Bought monero as my first Cryptocurrency

<pikachu[m] "Monerod closes when it says sync"> Does it give you an error? Are you running it as a service?

<sethsimmons "Does it give you an error? Are y"> nope

i guess windows doesn't have that option right?

Not easily, at least.

anyone elses monerod hang overnight. The daemon was running but nothing was happening

mine is chuggin along. gettin hit hard on HD and memory use

mnt_grrrl: is your node still hanging?

selsta, no I restarted it. Is there some debugging for if it happens again

are you using linux?

debian buster

ok, yea we can use gdb to see where it hangs

selsta little exerince with gdb is there instructions

will send you instructions next time this happens

Lyza: did you have any freezes in the meantime?

Wrd

how do I volunteer to write a user guide on multisig for getmonero.org

By doing it really. Then PR it to the monero-site repo.

moneromoo: thanks will do