03:15:35 <gingeropolous> donkeydonkey[m], recent features have added a public rpc support flag, so current software can pick public rpc nodes from that list
03:36:35 <donkeydonkey[m]> gingeropolous: awesome. im currently checking them and storing a flag in my local db
04:36:03 <aum> does the network recover quickly if a node goes down for 5 seconds for a reconfigure/restart ?
04:36:41 <gingeropolous> aum, what do you mean?
04:37:12 <gingeropolous> your monero node will restart, usually within 5-10 seconds, and it will re-establish all of your outgoing connections
04:37:27 <aum> gingeropolous, I edit the .conf file to change mining settings, then systemctl it down and back up
04:37:43 <gingeropolous> you may lose some incoming connections, but for the most part thats inconsequential.
04:37:52 <mnt_grrrl> two answers 1. Most public hosts are connected to 12ish peers so there wont be much interruption
04:37:53 <aum> ok
04:38:34 <mnt_grrrl> 2. incoming client will take longer to recover but they had likely moved on already
04:38:39 <aum> looks like my node will be able to sustain 5 figure uptime
04:38:48 <aum> 5 nines i mean
04:39:18 <gingeropolous> nice
04:41:35 <h2017> the two-extra block attack won't be fixed with the next release, right? So we will still be expected to use the ban list for the next release or more right?
04:42:39 <gingeropolous> im honestly not sure. i haven't been able to keep up
04:42:41 <h2017> it would be nice to not be reliant on it but i realise that the devels are doing awesome work and i'll be patient
08:24:33 <RandomAB> hi
10:01:37 <dgcigbbxfbv> What kind of person steals from own community?https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/ Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'.
10:47:21 <alphed-> Hi I'm the CEO of monero
11:10:30 <mly[m]> i'm a Nigerian prince, i'd like to discuss an important matter regarding the death of my relative whose name is also Alphed.
11:37:50 <fluffypony> lol
11:41:14 <azy> what stops someone running lots of monerod on 1 machine, then proxying onto the network with different ips?
11:45:03 <hyc> nothing
11:45:32 <hyc> although at this point, very few people have access to a large pool of IP addresses
14:14:24 <ask6155> I have access to 2^64 ip addresses.
14:14:24 <ask6155> Ofcourse they are all ipv6 addresses
14:48:49 <jess> do nodes have to be connectable or do they only need to connect to other nodes
14:50:02 <moneromooo> The latter is enough, though the former is preferred.
14:50:27 <jess> that seems ripe for open proxies abuse
14:50:30 <jess> proxy*
14:50:55 <moneromooo> Invalid data is not relayed.
14:55:12 <alphed-> I like green tea
14:56:12 <needmoney90> How cultured
14:58:15 <alphed-> Buy the news
14:58:23 <alphed-> Short the rumor
14:58:43 <alphed-> Thx needmoney90
14:58:53 <alphed-> Rename to needmoney69
14:59:07 <alphed-> Will look more badass
15:00:31 <raecarruth> kek
15:08:32 <needmoney90> But I wasn't born in '69
15:11:18 <kiwi_35> Hi, I have installed xmrig and started mining xmr. The program tells me that the hashrate is 430 h / s. should i keep mining?
15:12:35 <kiwi_35> I am using 2 threads.
15:12:53 <kiwi_35> " miner    speed 10s/60s/15m 419.2 413.8 n/a H/s max 430.4 H/s"
15:36:29 <monerouser1144> Hi all, following up the discussions of the last few days, in view of the network attacks, I was thinking about ways to increase the node resilience from a network perspective (rather than from the p2p protocol perspective, which the devs are currently working on). I mean, using the same tools for throttling traffic and blocking offenders that we
15:36:30 <monerouser1144> use for valuable servers (eshops, corporate mail-/web-servers etc). I am not sure how monerod would cope with an attack of too many simultaneous connections (similar to those done to bring down mail/web/dns servers).
15:39:47 <monerouser1144> E.g. I assume that a "normal" peer wouldn't open 1000s of concurrent connections to port 18080/18081 right? But can monerod cope with 1000s incoming connections (at the TCP level, not at the p2p protocol level)?
15:40:05 <jess> you may find good ideas in how bittorrent clients and trackers handle malicious peers because swarm poisoning has been a thing for a while
15:43:00 <monerouser1144> I was thinking about using iptables (limit / hashlimit modules), ipsets and of course the Linux-kernel built-in features, to control incoming traffic BEFORE it hits monerod.
15:44:01 <monerouser1144> And perhaps several haproxy systems on cloud "compute" nodes.
15:47:08 <monerouser1144> I don't know if the monero devs can make monerod perform similar to nginx or apache-mpm-event (handle lots of connections without crashing).
15:51:51 <monerouser1144> I just had a look at the Hetzner server auctions at https://www.hetzner.com/sb and dedicated servers are quite affordable. I think dedi are much better than VPS / cloud servers, because monero nodes are "disposable".
16:12:18 <Jaska_> get 20 year old hardware, only 30€/month! what a bargain! not.
16:25:51 <fluffypony> Jaska_: they're not all bad, you just need to filter the list
16:25:52 <fluffypony> eg. find one with an SSD and that already makes a big difference
16:26:41 <alphed-> A large number of seemingly unrelated VA wallets controlled from the same IP-address (or MAC-address), which may involve the use of shell wallets registered to different users to conceal their relation to each other.
16:26:42 <Jaska_> Well yes I can see some dimes in there but was wondering why only 1-2€ difference can make huge difference in performance
16:26:49 <alphed-> This is fatf red flag
16:26:51 <alphed-> Lmao
16:27:04 <alphed-> What Mac address control thus wallet sir?
16:27:16 <alphed-> Fucking dumb
16:42:11 <monerouser1144> Following up my previous comments about setting up resilient public nodes on dedicated servers at Hetzner/OVH/etc, do you have an opinion about add more than one IPv4 address (e.g. getting a small block of 8 IPv4s). Would that be almost just as helpful than setting up 8 independent VPSes?
16:43:00 <SerHack> monerouser1144: yes, that would help a little. But remember that it's a point of centralization
16:43:34 <sech1> Monero nodes don't connect to peers in the same /16 range so having VPSes in different data centers and different /16 ranges helps.
16:46:14 <monerouser1144> OK, in that case I'm thinking that setting up multiple independent haproxy (http://www.haproxy.org/) nodes in front of 3-4 dedi might be best.
16:49:16 <monerouser1144> We would have 3-4 dedicated servers with the full blockchain, but put 50-100 haproxy servers in front of them with minimal storage requirements. This way we could grow the network very quickly.
16:58:12 <alphed-> What are you trying to do monerouser1144
17:00:53 <monerouser1144> alphed- thinking out loud about ways to increase the number of resilient monero public nodes, which could withstand a network attack (not at the p2p protocol level like the ones currently in progress). Thinking of a better way to do what was posted today https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kn1yvj/5_extra_public_nodes/
17:02:40 <arseniko> what you think about iphone SE?
17:03:56 <alphed-> Economic inventive is all u need
17:33:50 <kangaroo69[m]> What do y'all think of Nouriel Roubini's and Joseph Stiglitz's criticisms of cryptocurrencies?
17:36:01 <monerouser1144> Well, based on their real-life track record I consider both of them irrelevant. I mean I've been following them for 20 years and they have been wrong about almost everything.
17:37:11 <monerouser1144> I wouldn't go as far as consider them a contrarian indicator (meaning do the exact opposite of what they suggest), but they're close.
17:39:43 <kangaroo69[m]> monerouser1144: weren't they both among the first economists to predict the financial crash?
17:42:12 <monerouser1144> But I am quite concerned that the bigger nations will "regulate" cryptocurrencies, or else they risk losing their monopoly on money, which is a very powerful tool.  “We must do everything possible to make sure the currency monopoly remains in the hands of states.” -- German Finance Minister
17:42:12 <monerouser1144> https://www.reuters.com/article/g7-digital/g7-finance-officials-back-need-to-regulate-digital-currencies-treasury-idUSKBN28H1Y6
17:44:17 <monerouser1144> In the case of Roubini, he's been saying the same stuff for the past 20+ yr. Even a Broken Clock is Right Twice a Day
17:57:47 <kangaroo69[m]> monerouser1144: Even as someone who is very skeptical of market predictions, I think Roubini and Stiglitz are remarkably not inaccurate compared to the rest of their field. About regulating cryptocurrencies, I think countries should regulate them. Did you read about the manipulation that pushed up the bitcoin price back in 2017 & 2018?
17:58:17 <kangaroo69[m]>  * monerouser1144: Even as someone who is very skeptical of market predictions, I think Roubini and Stiglitz are remarkably not inaccurate—especially compared to other economists. About regulating cryptocurrencies, I think countries should regulate them. Did you read about the manipulation that pushed up the bitcoin price back in 2017 & 2018?
18:01:40 <kangaroo69[m]> https://whartonliquidity.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/is_bitcoin_really_untethered.pdf
18:26:03 <monerouser1144> Well, do you realize that most advanced nations are "printing money" (aka debasing the currency) at unprecedented rates? Do you realize that the central banks are no longer independent? Have you seen the chart of e.g. M2 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2 going back 40-50 yr?
18:35:00 <ackdroid> Monerouser: Yes you are right - gold has to go up in value, whether that includes crypto I dunno
18:37:59 <ackdroid> ECB allegedly getting involved with tether, or the other way round
18:40:06 <monerouser1144> It seems that people prefer cryptocurrencies and BTC in particular, as a defense against currency debasement, instead of gold.
18:41:56 <ackdroid> yep BTC for sure
18:45:31 <ackdroid> BTC aside I think the future is low energy crypto - it's why I mine XMR
18:47:21 <kangaroo69[m]> monerouser1144: Why would money stock not increase as GDP increases?
18:55:22 <Inge-> once you start thinking about gold and you want to physically own it, it gets kind of difficult. BTC is easy.
18:55:27 <Inge-> ... relatively
18:57:20 <kangaroo69[m]> > It seems that people prefer cryptocurrencies and BTC in particular, as a defense against currency debasement, instead of gold.
18:57:20 <kangaroo69[m]> If that's true, then are people stupid, or am I stupid? The increase in the price of gold has been MUCH more stable than that of BTC🤣
18:59:56 <kangaroo69[m]> Sure, gold fluctuates, but bitcoin goes bonkers
19:01:58 <monerouser1144> xmr/btc back to 0.5% ...
19:02:58 <mark_bleep[m]> <monerouser1144 "xmr/btc back to 0.5% ..."> Can you explain that comment for anewb?
19:04:19 <monerouser1144> It's the currency pair of monero / bitcoin (like EUR/USD or USD/JPY etc) check https://www.monero.how/
19:05:51 <mark_bleep[m]> monerouser1144 ty
22:30:53 <dEBRUYNE> New release is out -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/kncbj3/cli_gui_v01718_oxygen_orion_released_includes/
22:32:44 <ragn4> :O
22:35:54 <h2017> sweet
22:36:00 <h2017> thanks for doing the Lord's work
22:36:47 <h2017> i don't see anything about wheether or not the banlist is still needed
22:37:29 <selsta> h2017: currently peers claiming +2 get kicked
22:37:37 <selsta> but it is only a matter of time until they change / do a new attack
22:37:54 <h2017> i'll run without the banlist until it becomes necessary
22:38:02 <selsta> you will probably be able to run without banlist for a couple days
22:42:28 <ragn4> [  3%] Building C object external/miniupnp/miniupnpc/CMakeFiles/libminiupnpc-static.dir/connecthostport.c.o
22:51:25 <h2017> shouldn't you encourage people to run without a blocklist so we can identify attacks?
22:51:52 <h2017> blocklist when it becomes necessary otherwise log everything
23:43:54 <Lyza> moneropulse seems to be down at the moment?
23:45:46 <selsta> Lyza: isn’t moneropulse only used for dns?
23:46:14 <Lyza> Idk really, I was just trying to peep the blocklist at blocklist.moneropulse.*
23:46:21 <Lyza> but can't get any to load
23:46:54 <Lyza> I assume it's the same as the block.txt you've been maintaining?
23:47:00 <selsta> yes
23:47:04 <selsta> dig -t txt blocklist.moneropulse.se
23:47:06 <selsta> works for me
23:48:36 <Lyza> okay cool I see what you mean by 'it's only DNS now'