01:53:50 when i have the trezor is there any real reason to also have a non-blank monero wallet password? 01:54:43 when i'm protecting the trezor itself and it's pin and its 12 word nemonic 01:56:25 h2017: the wallet cache might contain sensitive data 01:56:29 past transactions etc. 01:56:42 ok, i see that makes sense 01:56:52 but nothing that they would need the trezor for 01:59:30 by the time people have my hard drive i'm moslty worried about $5 wrench attacks by then anyway 02:00:31 We clearly need to make it so they have to buy at least $10 wrenches to double our safety. 04:34:25 if the Fed keeps printing, they'll be $10 wrenches soon enough 05:23:55 ok i notice that the wallet software doesn't seem to want to work when i have two trezors plugged in. it tries connecting to one of the trezors first and if it's the wrong one, it gives up 05:24:22 that's not good. it should look through a list of available trezors and then connect to the right one 05:29:39 (IMO) 09:18:00 Do you think that you are too smart to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look 09:18:02 into how any other cult works / worked. They aren't populated by stupid people. 09:27:43 Do you think that you are too smart to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look 09:27:43 into how any other cult works / worked. They aren't populated by stupid people. 09:27:44 Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs. 09:27:44 As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? 09:27:45 Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything to the ground around them rather than give up control. 09:27:45 Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me. 09:28:29 seen 11:09:24 Qasim back at it :) 11:11:26 Guys, am I in a cult? 11:25:32 Mochi101: probably? 11:26:15 Damn, I thought I was too smart for that. 11:27:58 You are not. You should have learned that valuable lesson from Monero. 11:28:28 Please don't kill us all fluffypony 11:38:33 Mochi101: we should look for a less culty, more welcoming community that keeps to themselves and improving their fork of evil software instead of spending all their time badmouthing and attacking the very thing that they copied from 11:39:09 wait a second... 11:39:16 you know... one with a charismatic leader that isn't an ass. 11:39:53 A fork that welcomes eveRYOne? 11:39:55 hah 11:39:58 I see what you did there 11:40:11 that random IRC person really opened my eyes here, eh 11:41:35 ring ring, yes hello, this is p0nzi speaking, am i right here at the cult or am i too late 11:42:17 Who would have guessed that the truth comes from spammers on freenode. I'm finally awake. 11:43:01 allah is not doing. ryu is doing. 11:46:22 https://i.imgflip.com/4r2i77.jpg 11:49:55 https://i.imgflip.com/4r2ifh.jpg 12:02:03 Is that the video game character Ryoken? 12:12:06 https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Ryu 12:20:18 Come on M5M400, I'm from the generation that skipped school to play that game in the arcade. 12:44:16 right. I forgot you are old 14:55:21 hi 15:13:08 hello 15:15:23 the problem with these tweets is it's sometimes hard to tell if someone is spamming or just making a joke 15:15:45 IRC messages I mean 15:15:47 not Tweets 15:23:17 That's the nature of IRC fluffypony. Always has and always will be. !/s 15:26:21 you know someone is looking at twitter too much when he confuses it with irc 15:27:20 well.. 'funny' messages could be left out of #monero and part of for example -community 15:33:25 Fun police 15:37:30 how does anybody confuse twitter with irc? 15:41:21 fluffy getting older 17:38:01 exactly 17:38:19 I'm getting gray hairs where there shouldn't be 17:45:17 i notice that the wallet software doesn't seem to want to work when i have two trezors plugged in. it tries connecting to one of the trezors first and if it's the wrong one, it gives up 17:45:43 this is on linux 17:49:16 Why would you want to use two simultaneously? 17:51:25 why not? the trezor wallet is ok with that. why shouldn't the monero wallet? 17:52:15 this only came up because i wanted to know that if you plugged in the wrong wallet it wouldn't cause chaos with an existing wallet tied to a different trezor 17:52:40 It wouldn't open 17:52:45 trezor wallet is written from the ground up for trezor 17:52:47 monero wallet is not 17:53:31 yes there are no sersious issues. i'm not wanting to use the trezor wallet. i'm just saying that if that's not a problem for it then it's not crazy to beusing two trezor's at once. the trezor people don't seem to think so. 17:53:58 The Trezor Monero integration was probably designed for a single device, not for having two devices open simultaneously 17:54:41 it could scan them and figure out if there was one with the right identifiers instead of giving up 17:54:50 giving up if the first one is wrong is unnecessary 17:54:59 anyway it's not a big issue 17:56:49 Probably too much work required for little benefit obtained 17:57:00 There's hardly any people using multiple devices simultaneously 17:57:09 And a more likely case is probably using Ledger + Trezor, which I think works fine 17:59:48 the trezor people will probably never put monero as part of there wallet software right? too much data stored on their server so it wouldn't be a privacy coin if used that way. is that it? 18:00:44 i don't need full privacy for my usages of monero so if it was part of the trezor wallet that would be convenient for me. it would be nice if it was there and as part of the settings you could point to the monerod of your choice 18:00:56 anwway that may be a question for trezor and not this chan 18:00:59 afaik they are considering it 19:08:16 i'm trying to understand monerod. so i want to set up a public node. so it indicates rpc-bind-port should be 18089. What should --rpc-bind-ip be set to? 19:09:32 Whatever NIC you want to be opened to outside clients. Or 0.0.0.0 for all. 19:09:49 if a public node it should be available for all right? 19:10:00 Your choice. 19:10:58 if setting up a private node i shouldn't even port forward to 18089 right? because no one but me should be using rpc command on the node if i intend to be private, right? 19:11:06 If you do that, make sure you use --restricted-rpc. 19:11:14 yes i know to do that 19:11:34 If you don't intend to use your node from the outside, bind to 127.0.0.1. 19:12:46 ok i think i have enough info 19:12:51 you guys want more public nodes right? 19:13:30 Some do. 19:13:54 It seems to be a necessary evil. 19:14:00 ok so there is no consensus on that? but you do want more nodes, right, even if private? 19:14:07 Oh yes. 19:14:12 so maybe i'll just run a private node 19:32:27 more honest public nodes can only help 19:39:39 btw I've seen my node often using a lot of CPU lately, and being slow to respond. I've seen a couple of mentions that maybe our friend has progressed to ddos attacks is that a confirmed thing? 19:40:44 public node? 19:40:52 public rpc node* 19:41:40 yeah I've got restricted RPC avail publicly with the "public-node" flag enabled 19:41:46 we have a patch here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6262#issuecomment-748612394 19:41:55 but we don’t know if it works yet because restarting makes the attack stop 19:42:46 got it ty for the link 19:44:55 maybe it's because my server is a beefy boy but I've been able to power through it without connections getting entirely dropped 19:45:18 it also only increased CPU usage on my nodes 19:46:01 well I'll see about trying to build and test if I get a minute 19:47:22 is somebody's got it pre-built I can test that 19:52:47 btw the thing people have been reporting where the Language etc settings sometimes get reset in the Windows GUI, I just experienced that. Doesn't look like there's an issue open. Is there anything in particular that would be useful for tracking this down? other than the GUI log 19:52:47 fuck windows, use linux! 19:52:51 lol sh 19:53:24 Lyza: only language? 19:54:14 no, it reset everything. it went from advanced mode to simple (bootstrap) and even turned the custom window decorations back on 19:54:26 when did this happen? 19:54:58 about 10 minutes ago. it wasn't right after an update, either. I've been on 0.17.1.7 for days 19:55:36 anything else you changed? 19:55:44 windows user? 19:55:53 using something like ccleaner? 19:55:55 portable mode? 19:56:36 Windows user, yes. No restarts today. No ccleaner or anything similar, didn't run anything that would touch the registry Only use Windows defender, have exceptions set. Have not been using portable mode, did not recently turn it on or off 19:56:49 Changing Windows user can cause this. 19:57:00 as far as I know 19:57:11 ther eis onyl a single user 20:00:09 we can hope that this resolves once we update Qt to 5.15 20:00:15 else no idea, we did not change anything in months 20:00:30 ah yeah I remember a discussion about how Qt handles the interaction with the registry 20:00:50 I think this has been happening for most of the 0.17.1.x releases iirc 20:01:10 Qt 5.15 in the next release? 20:02:07 no 20:02:22 but it is planned for a future release 20:07:07 Lyza: did you delete a wallet? 20:08:30 selsta I did not 20:09:02 I'm trying to think if I did anything funny at all but I really can't recall doing anything unusual 20:09:30 I only opened the GUI to see if my node was still responsive under the abnormal CPU load 20:14:29 I can’t imagine how the registry settings would get wiped 20:33:33 i wish that the wallet software was different. i think the devels should have kept the wallet package separate from monerod. that way everyone would be encouraged to run their own permament node 20:33:57 wallet is separate from monerod 20:34:15 yes but it's packaged together and the wallet starts monerod automatically 20:34:52 I doubt that not bundling it together would result in more full nodes. 20:35:44 it would because people would be forced to think about it. 20:36:03 the CLI wallet is doing that 20:41:16 the wallet is designed basically to conceal everything that's really happening in the name of user friendliness 20:41:31 the gui wallet anyway 20:42:08 what is the alternative? force everyone to use the CLI wallet so that they have to think about it more? we already get complains that the current GUI is too complicated 20:44:14 I think we can’t make everyone happy, but a simpler to use GUI wallet + CLI for power users seems like a good tradeoff 20:44:40 i don't know what happens on windows specifically. the alternative is to have the user set up monerod using the command line and not have wallet do any of that automatically. on windows there should be a gui utility available for configuring monerod (maybe there is already) 20:44:49 because windows users like that kind of thing 20:45:19 Making things harder will not encourage adoption or increased node count. 20:45:23 h2017: They are considering it for Trezor Suite as far as I know 20:45:32 But users use the GUI wallet to specifically not use the command line. CLI wallet is for users who like command like. 20:45:36 And not every user needs a full node for their security/privacy model. 20:45:42 command line* 20:46:38 If you really want increased node counts make a dead-simple always-on GUI for running monerod across OSs so non-CLI users can easily CJ tribute a node. 20:46:43 *contribute 20:46:57 sethsimmons, excellent idea 20:47:09 i don't think linux users need that but windows ones do 20:47:27 I’m sure some Linux users would benefit, not all Linux users are CLI-native. 20:47:48 Even just having that bundled with the GUI to simply install monerod as a service with a simple taskbar icon would be nice. 20:48:07 I’d gladly fund it but can’t do it myself ATM. 20:57:29 h2017: https://twitter.com/JimmyMcShill/status/1340733120610447365 21:00:20 nioc yes i can see where you are going. i was wondering the same thing myself. i don't claim to understand any of the technology but using the trezor website as a wallet certainly feels insecure to me 21:00:35 the use of a middle man indicates a possible attack vector 21:00:54 not saying i disagree 21:01:48 this is brand new so thought that you and everyone else should know 21:02:10 thanks. don't own ledger fwiw 21:02:30 whoops 21:02:32 i have a friend at work who does. i'll pass it on 21:02:44 why did I think that it was trezor lol 21:05:25 anyway it's probably best to not use the trezor wallet, if all the data is hosted at trezor.io and all of the instructions to the trezor have to pass through the web-site 21:05:49 or perhaps i don't know what's going on 21:06:14 web wallet should be fine if trezor is programmed correctly 21:06:29 selsta where is the data you see in the web wallet stored? 21:06:48 fine as in they can’t steal your funds 21:06:51 not sure but I thought that trezor didn't collect the personal info that ledger does 21:06:53 not fine if you want privacy 21:07:04 selsta if the web wallet gets taken over by hackers they could do anything i think 21:07:24 you have to confirm all your transactions on your trezor 21:07:27 You need to use the web site to use the hardware ? 21:07:28 so they could not steal your funds 21:07:44 selsta ok that makes sense 21:07:53 couldn't they substitute a bad transaction for the one you intended, stealing your funds that way? 21:07:59 moneromooo, no you don't. it's just one option and monero isn't supported with their webwallet 21:09:31 ndorf selsta is right. the physical device asks for confirmation with the specific amount on the screen 21:09:48 so i guess the web wallet isn't as scary as i was thinking 21:10:19 yep, you confirm the address and amount on the hardware wallet. that is only if there is no bug to exploit this 21:13:28 you also confirm the address on the screen of course 21:14:14 gotcha. still seems iffy, they could leave the amount the same and substitute the address. plenty of people probably wouldn't catch that 21:21:44 that's for sure 21:25:04 ngl an "always on" GUI node for Windows users would probably help. Then have users either launch a wallet separately, or launch or wallet from the node GUI 21:25:44 or for Linux / Max GUI users even 21:33:33 Having that as an option when installing the GUI would be awesome. 21:33:54 Just have it start on-boot and give a simple icon to see status/jump to logs/console.