09:40:08 <mechanic41turk[m> ComplyLast: great handle!
09:41:09 <marmulak> has anyone ever figured out the best way to compress data.mdb (I mean for like backup / long term storage)
09:43:01 <marmulak> I thought it wouldn't compress well but it seems like it can be but it's so slow that one needs to consider speed as well as compression ratio
09:43:45 <marmulak> like on my system depending on the utility and settings we're look at difference between something like 20 minutes and 4 hours
09:44:57 <fluffypony> lol thrmo
09:58:12 <ComplyLast> :)
09:59:54 <hstl> sup, homiez
10:00:05 <hstl> is there a channel where i can talk about Grin coin?
10:00:39 <ComplyLast> yes, in matrix I think
10:03:56 <hstl> what do you guys think about Grin coin?
10:04:25 <marmulak> in matrix there is #cryptonote:matrix.org at least, don't know about a Grin-specific community
10:04:29 <marmulak> but why would you even want to talk about that
10:04:30 <ComplyLast> flawed economics, better for scaling that monero, worse privacy
10:04:50 <ComplyLast> marmulak, I'm pretty sure there is a mimblewimble/grin channel
10:04:58 <Inge-> very cool to try out mimblewimble
10:05:37 <hstl> ComplyLast, privacy is worse?
10:05:41 <Inge-> oh DeFi smart contracts march from victory to victory - is future: https://twitter.com/warpfinance/status/1339751975450267648
10:05:57 <marmulak> hrm I found a grin room on matrix with only three people in it
10:06:30 <ComplyLast> try mimblewimble marmulak, I'm sure there was a pretty active one at some point
10:06:43 <marmulak> oh are they the same thing? name change?
10:06:47 <hstl> I think that Grin coin can do x100 in price. Or something like that
10:07:04 <hstl> ComplyLast, mimblewibmle is a method
10:07:10 <ComplyLast> they're not the same things marmulak, mimblewimble is a protocol, grin was the first implementation
10:07:12 <marmulak> ok yes found #mimblewimble:matrix.org there's like 1.5k people in it, it appears to be bridged to something called Glitter
10:07:21 <marmulak> maybe it's originally a glitter chat
10:07:30 <ComplyLast> hstl, https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/11107/what-is-the-difference-between-monero-xmr-and-grin-grin
10:07:39 <marmulak> interesting
10:08:01 <hstl> it will for sure do, i think. It will be like Zcash and Monero
10:08:14 <marmulak> so that's who thrmo is
10:08:27 <ComplyLast> that's a discussion better suited for #monero-markets
10:08:58 <ComplyLast> Zcash has corporate backing, including an overlap of investors with exchanges
10:09:25 <marmulak> zcash is that so-called privacy coin that comes with privacy turned off and you can't really turn it on
10:09:40 <ComplyLast> I'd be surprised if Grin goes anywhere. In no small part due to the flawed economics (which makes it a PIA to bootstrap a network) and interactive transactions
10:10:58 <marmulak> I like interactive
10:11:19 <ComplyLast> me too, if I'm playing an online video game or something like that.
10:11:21 <hstl> ComplyLast, what is PIA?
10:11:26 <ComplyLast> pain in the ass.
10:11:37 <marmulak> wait are you saying crypto isn't an online video game
10:11:53 <ComplyLast> That's exactly what I'm saying, Neo.
10:12:00 <marmulak> I thought it was a hacker simulation for fun
10:12:07 <hstl> ComplyLast, by "flawed economics" you mean emission? 1 coin in 1 sec?
10:12:08 <ComplyLast> only Doge
10:12:20 <ComplyLast> hstl, yes
10:12:28 <marmulak> every second a grin is borned
10:12:39 <marmulak> wb ferretinjapan
10:12:45 <ComplyLast> ferret lives
10:13:30 <hstl> ComplyLast, yes, but do you understand that to double amount of Grin coins in market we will need another 2 years?
10:13:37 <hstl> and then 4 years
10:13:39 <hstl> etc
10:14:09 <ComplyLast> I do understand that, surprisingly.
10:14:14 <hstl> it was important in first month, but it become less and less important
10:15:20 <hstl> the chart of Grin coins amount becomes flat by the time
10:15:26 <marmulak> haha ComplyLast understand geometric progression
10:15:44 <hstl> many people don't understand that
10:15:57 <hstl> people were buying it in January 2019, at the start
10:16:13 <hstl> in a hope to make money
10:16:30 <marmulak> keepin it cheap through inflation is the way to go
10:16:45 <marmulak> it's not practical for a crypto to be very expensive
10:17:31 <hstl> real usability doesn't matter.
10:17:42 <hstl> it will do x100 either way
10:17:57 <marmulak> but you said it will do x0.5 soon
10:17:59 <ComplyLast> seems like a solid conclusion
10:18:50 <marmulak> after global nuclear war monero is going to do like x1000000000
10:19:16 <marmulak> or x0
10:19:18 <marmulak> possibly
10:20:49 <ndorf> 9mm
10:20:55 <ndorf> oops
12:19:05 <WangPong41> If only one of you gave Papa ChooChoo some TLC there, instead of ignoring him, none of this would have happened
12:19:06 <WangPong41> https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5lsfgt/xmrstakcpu_high_performance_open_source_miner/dbz0jnp/
14:15:54 <hstl> marmulak, ComplyLast is the "Matrix" messenger is where cryptoenthusiasts summon?
14:20:13 <marmulak> Eeeeeh
14:20:54 <marmulak> I'd say it's more of an IRC scene or Discord depending on the project
14:49:32 <Frenn_> About GUI updater "3 out of 4 DNS server must indicate a new update is available." Can i have the dns for my bash updater ? for now i only use updates.moneropulse.org
14:54:17 <selsta> Frenn_: grep monero source for moneropulse
14:56:32 <Frenn_> nice idea thx
15:01:24 <gingeropolous> <marmulak> after global nuclear war monero is going to do like x1000000000 ,  i hope we have that radio internet figured out by then
15:44:27 <marmulak> tchya! way ahead of you
15:44:35 <marmulak> there's already internet on the radio
18:40:56 <h2017> hi
18:41:03 <h2017> setting up a trezor for use with monero
18:41:57 <h2017> i'm seeing that you have to create a new wallet from hardware. why can't the monero gui client just talk directly to the trezor? why does it have to create it's own wallet (based on the trezor wallet) in the first place?
18:42:27 <haxx0r> different seeds and stuff.
18:43:14 <h2017> so? if the trezor has sufficent information to create the wallet, why is the monero wallet needed?
18:47:11 <h2017> i'm seeing that its because monero wallets contain all kinds of extra stuff
18:47:41 <h2017> which are already on the blockchain
18:48:08 <h2017> some of it anyway
18:48:40 <h2017> The wallet-name stores all other wallet data (also encrypted with your wallet password), such as:
18:48:40 <h2017>     All the outputs belonging to the wallet, which are found by scanning the blockchain when you're refreshing the wallet. To avoid having to do the scanning every time, the wallet stores them once found.
18:48:45 <h2017> more than just priv keys
18:50:35 <h2017> but hypothetically https://wallet.trezor.io could do all that stuff too but i guess it doesn't at the moment
18:51:24 <h2017> all that matters is that you can get your monero priv keys from your trezor and you can do that
20:19:07 <endor00[m]> your pc is faster at scanning stuff and (iirc) stores the tx data and metadata, while the Trezor only worries about signing transactions
21:55:47 <h2017> endor00[m], yeah i'm trying to work out what does what.
22:15:15 <guestblabla> Hi guys, is it possible to download the current monero blockchain for windows clients somewhere? Because syncing takes long on my machine
22:16:01 <VashTheStampede> have you looked on reddit?
22:16:31 <guestblabla> Yes, but just got hints for a bootstrap or using an ssd
22:18:02 <guestblabla> set block_sync_size to 10 also did not help very much
22:20:02 <guestblabla> ports and firewall are set correctly
22:24:46 <selsta> it takes a long time without ssd
22:25:25 <ndorf> IME it always takes longer to import the bootstrap than to sync
22:26:35 <guestblabla> syncing also takes 5 days
22:27:08 <guestblabla> even using pruned blockchain from scratch
22:27:33 <selsta> pruning still verifies the whole blockchain
22:27:38 <selsta> it just uses less space
22:27:53 <ndorf> best bet is to just wait the 5 days. then keep a local backup of the blockchain so you never have to do it again
22:28:15 <ndorf> you can use remote node to transact in the meantime
22:29:11 <ndorf> SSD is obviously recommended if you can. aside from syncing, creating transactions will be much faster as well
23:08:36 <guestblabla> ok. a question for understanding why do the first 20 percent go fast as hell and the last 10 percent of the blockchain sync take long and do not use my whole internet bandwidth?
23:09:02 <selsta> the blockchain got more use later so it takes longer to verify
23:09:44 <selsta> "does not use my whole internet" <-- it is busy verifying, this is where an SSD would speed things up
23:15:11 <guestblabla> ok. a question for understanding why do the first 20 percent go fast as hell and the last 10 percent of the blockchain sync take long and do not use my whole internet bandwidthh?
23:38:08 <hyc> the first 20% were mostly empty blocks
23:38:41 <hyc> selsta already answered you guestblabla