00:00:05 <locustlord> since I went away for the night and left it running
00:00:44 <locustlord> I should mention I did check the sha512, so I know that unless it was corrupted while unpacking the tarball the program is unmodified
00:01:00 <selsta> unlikely that the program itself is corrupted
00:01:19 <locustlord> well I thought it was worth mentioning
00:01:35 <locustlord> cryptocurrency is the kind of thing where I always check the hashes
00:02:03 <selsta> that’s a good habit
00:04:18 <locustlord> I know that maybe P = NP and all
00:04:29 <locustlord> but for now, I'm going with checking the hashes
00:04:48 <moneromooo> P=NP if N is 1.
00:04:51 <moneromooo> Also 0.
00:05:03 <moneromooo> And if you squint hard enough, inifnity.
00:05:16 <moneromooo> And that's not even getting into negtive numbers.
00:05:41 <moneromooo> Oh, negative doesn't matter. /me smartarse fail
00:05:46 <locustlord> I'm talking about the useful numbers
00:05:57 <locustlord> if P = NP for the other stuff well then RIP
00:06:02 <locustlord> RIP in pepperoni
00:09:37 <locustlord> imagine the monero project having an actual office where people send their USB drives "pls copy me a PSK sir, I beg of you"
00:10:42 <locustlord> wait that wouldn't really work well
00:11:04 <locustlord> since the software itself would be RIP too
00:11:11 <locustlord> not just checking whether the software is valid
01:40:06 <locustlord> OH
01:40:15 <locustlord> moneromooo it seg fauled again
01:40:22 <locustlord> Thread 15 "monerod" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
01:40:22 <locustlord> [Switching to Thread 0x7ff91b0fc700 (LWP 13776)]
01:40:22 <locustlord> 0x0000000000000000 in ?? ()
01:40:47 <locustlord> I typed bt into gdb
01:40:55 <locustlord> want me to paste it?
01:43:30 <locustlord> gonna paste it
01:43:35 <locustlord> https://paste.debian.net/1176014/
01:43:39 <locustlord> so this is what I've got
01:43:52 <locustlord> for the paste when running bt
01:44:34 <selsta> locustlord: which version are you running?
01:45:18 <locustlord> 0.17.1.5
01:45:39 <locustlord> linux cli binaries
01:47:15 <selsta> it could be fixed by https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/7070
01:47:30 <selsta> but moneromooo has to look at it
01:56:54 <moneromooo> Yes, that's 7070.
01:56:56 <moneromooo> Good :)
01:58:05 <selsta> v0.17.1.6 will be out tomorrow with the fix included
02:39:28 <locustlord> something I have to ask
02:39:35 <locustlord> why isn't there more testing done before releasing?
02:42:17 <moneromooo> Because testing takes time, has a huge surface, is annoying, is something where you often redo the same things, you don't see what is worth testing until it bites you... off the top of my head.
02:43:09 <moneromooo> If you want to test more, please do. It's always good :)
03:42:37 <locustlord> I mean
03:42:50 <locustlord> my assumption is that the windows GUI and linux CLI versions would be the most used
03:43:10 <locustlord> since anyone running a service would use the linux CLI and anyone using it to pay is probably on windows
04:20:52 <Mochi102> locustlord, I'm on Windows and prefer the CLI
05:28:38 <needmoney90> Locustlord: are you volunteering to be a QA tester?
05:29:54 <needmoney90> We could always use more.
05:44:13 <locustlord> I can
07:27:57 <wolfkeeper[m]> Morning all, some advice? How good is GunBot from Gunchy for automated trading?
07:32:43 <wolfkeeper[m]>  * Morning all, some advice? How good is GunBot from Gunchy for automated trading? Is it idiot proof? perhaps any others anyone can suggest? THANKS!
08:04:28 <wolfkeeper[m]> Another question please. For mining XMR is it better to use Linux or Windows? Which is preferred system and hardware/ software requirements? What would be a good firewall to use?
08:12:52 <locustlord> I would use linux wolfkeeper[m]
08:13:00 <locustlord> and I would use pf for the firewall
08:13:06 <locustlord> as that is my firewall of choice
08:15:07 <wolfkeeper[m]> <locustlord "as that is my firewall of choice"> Thanks for the reply. What is pf???
08:15:19 <locustlord> a firewall
08:15:58 <locustlord> just look for the package for whichever distro you use
08:16:06 <locustlord> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/
08:16:29 <wolfkeeper[m]> <locustlord "a firewall"> I gathered that thanks.
08:16:41 <locustlord> in my opinion the best firewall
08:17:00 <wolfkeeper[m]> and Gunbot....?
08:17:58 <locustlord> what's gunbot?
08:18:24 <locustlord> unless you mean gnubot, the irc bot
08:18:37 <locustlord> I don't see why you'd need an irc bot for mining though
08:18:40 <wolfkeeper[m]> Oh, automated crypto trading bot.
08:18:52 <wolfkeeper[m]> ....for trading...
08:19:37 <locustlord> I wouldn't know
08:19:41 <locustlord> I've never used it
08:19:45 <locustlord> it might have linux support
08:19:47 <locustlord> it might not
08:20:33 <wolfkeeper[m]> <locustlord "it might have linux support"> 👍️😀
08:20:55 <locustlord> well I'm not just going to talk out my butt here
08:21:14 <locustlord> what do you want me to say, "yes, your trading bot works on any operating system you could ever use"?
08:21:29 <locustlord> if I don't know I don't know
15:20:38 <webname888> Why lie about something that can be easily disproven?
15:20:39 <webname888> https://monerologs.net/monero/20201207#c165563
15:20:39 <webname888> https://github.com/fireice-uk/cryptonote-speedup-demo/blob/master/ecops64/ecops64-c.c#L4
15:20:40 <webname888> Why steal from your community and then laugh at them?
15:20:40 <webname888> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/
15:20:41 <webname888> Reason is the same - to laugh at morons that are gullible enough to believe you and repeat your lies.
15:30:43 <gingeropolous> something something brandolini's law
17:43:04 <treehermit> Hello. I'm trying to setup the monero GUI wallet for Windows that's available on getmonero.org, but after entering my private keys, I get an error "Failed to store the wallet". I've added exclusions in Windows defender, but there's no effect. Would someone kindly tell me how to get my Windows wallet working?
17:45:00 <moneromooo> Are you trying to save it somewhere you don't have write perms to ?
17:45:11 <moneromooo> Like / or something. Or \ in windows.
17:50:27 <treehermit> moneromooo, yeah i DID get the error that I dont have permissions.. so I ran the setup as administrator
17:52:08 <treehermit> moneromooo I've been told on #monero-pools that I should wait for version 0.17.1.6 which should released mostly  today
17:52:28 <moneromooo> Good suggestion.
17:53:03 <treehermit> thanks moneromooo, have a great day!
17:53:09 <moneromooo> Thanks, same.
17:53:12 <treehermit> Bye for now :)
19:59:57 <aubergine> hi guys
20:00:17 <aubergine> anyone here used monero node library before?
20:07:49 <aubergine> ?
20:13:45 <mfoolb> I've tried twice to use a newly installed 18.04 vm for deterministic builds following this https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/contrib/gitian#gitian-building but it stopped both times with g++: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus) .. could be useful to try to understand what I did wrong or what didn't work?
20:13:59 <selsta> not enough ram
20:14:14 <selsta> what did you set for -j ?
20:15:15 <mfoolb> -j 5
20:15:24 <selsta> how much RAM does your VM have?
20:15:45 <mfoolb> 4096
20:15:46 <mfoolb> should try -j 2?
20:16:12 <selsta> -j2 could work, could also not work
20:16:17 <selsta> ideally you have more than 2GB RAM per job
20:16:45 <mfoolb> ok .. missing that bit on the cited guide..
20:16:49 <mfoolb> will try that again.. --rebuild should do the trick, right?
20:18:08 <selsta> yes
20:18:29 <mfoolb> thnx
20:19:00 <selsta> aubergine: https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-javascript looks maintained
20:21:45 <viperperidot[m]> What did I miss, whats this about what fluffy did?
20:22:09 <selsta> it was spam
20:25:01 <viperperidot[m]> So the whole reddit thread is fake?
20:27:46 <aubergine> selsta  I always get 401 error upon connection despite setting rpc login params correctly
20:30:14 <selsta> try without rpc login
20:30:21 <selsta> for testing purposes
20:37:33 <nioc> viperperidot[m]: the thread is real and 3 years old, the accusations are not true
20:39:06 <aubergine> I need cors, they can only be enabled with login
20:40:44 <Mochi102> viperperidot[m], it was an event that happened like 3 years ago
20:42:28 <mrtrousers> Hello, im finally fully synced.
20:43:38 <mrtrousers> I wanted to ask.. When im mining, is the clio or the node doing the job?
20:43:54 <mrtrousers> I mean.. Would it make sense to have multiple clis mining with just one node?
20:44:19 <sethsimmons> The node is what mines, no matter how many wallets are connected
20:44:30 <sethsimmons> The CLI wallet is just using RPC to instruct the node to mine
20:45:13 <mrtrousers> Ok, so what i want is multiple nodes and one cli.
20:45:36 <sethsimmons> In theory sure, but the best mining software is XMRig if you’re serious about mining.
20:45:56 <sethsimmons> Each node would need distinct hardware, multiple nodes on one PC doesn’t help you.
20:46:10 <sethsimmons> https://xmrig.com/
20:46:15 <Lyza> xmrig can connect to your node directly too
20:46:25 <mrtrousers> Yes, thats what i meant.. I saw xmrig.. But is xmrig or the node doing the job?
20:46:37 <Lyza> in that case it would be xmrig
20:46:39 <sethsimmons> XMRig is doing the job in this case
20:46:55 <mrtrousers> So i can have multiple XMRig s with one node then?
20:47:08 <mrtrousers> With one remote node to be more specific?
20:48:23 <mrtrousers> Im thinking about using free cloud computing, but most time they have not enough hard drive space to fit the blockchain in..
20:48:40 <selsta> pruned blockchain is 30gb
20:49:20 <mrtrousers> It still wont fit. So the idea would be to run one node locally and connect to it remotely with xmrig.. Would that work?
20:50:05 <binaryFate> New binaries (CLI and GUI) for v0.17.1.6 are available on getmonero.org
20:50:16 <sethsimmons> Most cloud providers do not allow mining via their ToS
20:51:13 <mrtrousers> Read something about it, but I want to know if its technically posible?
20:52:34 <mrtrousers> Guess there's a way to find out, lulz.
20:53:00 <selsta> you can use one node in combination with multiple XMRig
20:53:27 <selsta> locustlord: v0.17.1.6 is out which should fix your crash issue
20:54:18 <mrtrousers> And that would multiply my hashing power right? +selsta ... Do you think there'd be some kind of bottleneck in them using the same node that could slow it down or something?
20:54:48 <selsta> maybe ask in #monero-pools
20:55:20 <mrtrousers> Is that what they do? Run just one node for all their users?
20:55:47 <selsta> No. Large pools run multiple nodes.
21:03:06 <mrtrousers> +selsta they said it would work, and that one node can handle quiet a few xmrigs
21:10:55 <twitch> I've got ample python/PHP experience, that's my dayjob. I'm interested in compiled languages, and would like to contribute to the monero community via programming, and I'm brainstorming for ideas. anyone got anything?
21:11:13 <twitch> \/runon sentence
21:14:02 <sethsimmons> https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/k9d0hu/a_brief_breakdown_of_moneros_ongoing_network/
21:17:46 <moneromooo> People are always clamouring for easier to use stuff. Not sure if that's your thing.
21:19:46 <nioc> New binaries (CLI and GUI) for v0.17.1.6 are available on getmonero.org
21:24:42 <dEBRUYNE> Release thread also up on Reddit
21:24:43 <mrtrousers> +nioc can i update or do i need to reinstall?
21:25:06 <mrtrousers> I just installed 17.1.5 yesterday..
21:25:22 <mrtrousers> If i install the new one will I have to resync the blockchain?
21:26:09 <nioc> no need to resync
21:26:40 <nioc> you can move wallet files from .5 to .6
21:27:26 <nioc> the blockchain is in it's own location
21:28:08 <mrtrousers> +nioc what happens if i dont update?
21:28:29 <mrtrousers> +nioc will things stop working?
21:28:40 <kinghat[m]> no
21:28:46 <kinghat[m]> should really upgrade though
21:29:18 <donkeydonkey[m]> <aubergine "anyone here used monero node lib"> i checked it out. it looks full featured. but i am just writing one myself for all the RPC calls so i can set it up async style.
21:29:57 <nioc> mrtrousers it will work but there are important network functionality updates in .6
21:30:07 <nioc> helps everyone if you update
21:31:09 <mrtrousers> I will, I will, trying to decide if today or tomorrow.. Will i still have to use the --ban-list block.txt with .6 ? +nioc
21:31:27 <nioc> no need to use the ban list in .6
21:31:36 <sethsimmons> A note for public RPC node operators upgrading to v0.17.1.6 — if you’re using the _—restricted-rpc-bind-port_ option currently you will need to add the new _—restricted-rpc-bind-ip_ arg or else the daemon will bind restricted RPC only to _localhost_.
21:31:36 <sethsimmons> I ran into this issue myself and was confused why I could no longer access my remote node after upgrading.
21:31:50 <nioc> mrtrousers update whenever is good for you
21:33:03 <nioc> ty
21:34:52 <anchor[m]> I tried paying with monero on a site, and I noticed they have a "Click to pay" link with the `monero:...` uri scheme. Is there a way to properly make use of this on Linux? I'm not sure what program or desktop file I should invoke, and I can't find a concrete answer online.
21:41:14 <ndorf> sorry if i should know this already, but what's the url for the current bad peer list?
21:41:31 <selsta> https://gui.xmr.pm/files/block.txt
21:41:40 <ndorf> thanks.
21:41:48 <selsta> but should not be necessary with v0.17.1.6 - but still recommended if you want to block known spies
21:42:37 <ndorf> oh, nice, hadn't realized that. is .6 able to detect/block them in realtime somehow?
21:43:04 <gingeropolous> yep
21:43:16 <selsta> until they change behaviour :D
21:43:18 <ndorf> awesome
22:17:09 <bigslim[m]> So many point releases
22:17:37 <bigslim[m]> All because these people spamming the network
22:27:16 <donkeydonkey[m]> .6 is working great for me so far on mainnet and stagenet on Arch Linux
22:33:10 <sethsimmons> Same, running like a dream :D
22:33:10 <Quotes> double dream feet ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L1tr0PIx20
22:34:18 <donkeydonkey[m]> seams smoother somehow
22:37:33 <sethsimmons> Should be quite a bit smoother due to how much spam is now being dropped/mitigated
22:57:54 <twitch> sethsimmons and moneromooo thanks for you replies, sorry for the late response :)
23:22:53 <mrtrousers> Hello its me again
23:23:24 <mrtrousers> Remember how you told me if i had a remote node and xmrig, it would be xmrig doing the mining? right?
23:24:13 <sethsimmons> Yes
23:24:26 <sethsimmons> You don’t even need a remote node with Xmrig if using a pool FWIW
23:24:36 <mrtrousers> I want to mine solo..
23:24:51 <mrtrousers> sethsimmons could i use a public remote node, one that doesnt belong to me?
23:25:09 <mrtrousers> LIke one from moneroworld or something?
23:25:10 <sethsimmons> Yes if you wanted to
23:25:19 <sethsimmons> If you want to solo mine I’d recommend using your own though for sure
23:25:25 <mrtrousers> Why?
23:25:29 <sethsimmons> I’ve never done that myself though so not sure on the details.
23:25:46 <sethsimmons> <mrtrousers "Why?"> Latency and ensuring you’re choosing the default transactions to go into each block you mine
23:26:04 <moneromooo> The miner will get a block template from the node, so if you use Alice's node, she'll get you a block template that pays her.
23:26:15 <sethsimmons> That too 😅
23:26:48 <mrtrousers> Mmm, so the answer is no, i cant use a public remote node to mine with xmrig?
23:26:59 <moneromooo> You can, technically :)
23:27:33 <mrtrousers> Elaborate more, i dont understand yet.. You mean there's a way to do it?
23:27:46 <moneromooo> You'll mine to Alice's address.
23:27:54 <moneromooo> Which is likely not what you want.
23:28:08 <moneromooo> But if you're OK with that, it should work.
23:28:31 <mrtrousers> No, lulz, i want to mine to my address of course.
23:28:53 <moneromooo> Also, if you've got a single xmrig on a single machine, you've got a tiny chance only of getting a block. That might also be too much.
23:29:00 <moneromooo> Or too little.
23:29:11 <mrtrousers> So if i want to mine to my own address i need my own node right?
23:29:23 <moneromooo> Yes.
23:29:40 <moneromooo> If you use a pool, you mine for the pool. Which pays youafter  the fact.
23:30:22 <moneromooo> It should be fairly easy to make a network listener just for the purpose of maintaining a block tempalte and relaying any block found...
23:30:41 <moneromooo> twitch: ^ :)
23:31:10 <moneromooo> That'd be a self contained project, gets you to learn a number of monero systems, would help some people.
23:31:32 <moneromooo> And you can make it easy to use too, some Qt UI.
23:31:57 <mrtrousers> What setup would that be for.. ? Remote node local xmrig? Mining solo or pool? My node my xmrig?
23:31:58 <moneromooo> And later if I^Hsomeone ever look at p2pool, it can do that too.
23:32:19 <moneromooo> The short of it is: use your own node.
23:32:28 <moneromooo> Pruned is fine.
23:34:19 <mrtrousers> moneromoo did you mean i could somewhat change that template from the remote public node?
23:34:36 <moneromooo> Yes, if you're a coder.
23:37:23 <twitch> duly noted moneromoo, I'm going to take a shot at that!
23:38:42 <twitch> I've got to run atm, I'm going to report back with progress/questions
23:38:49 <twitch> cheers, thanks for the help
23:40:21 <mrtrousers> twitch im interested in
23:40:56 <moneromooo> Cool, good luck, tech questions welcome :)
23:42:06 <twitch> thanks! mrtrousers I'll be sure to get with you soon asap, I'm on IRC often
23:42:17 <twitch> I regret having to run, but alas I do!
23:42:23 <mrtrousers> Cool! :)
23:42:23 <twitch> peace
23:42:42 <twitch> :)
23:44:10 <xmrpow> Guys, what would you recommend more as a daily driver: Tor or vpn?
23:44:35 <jess> VPN unless you're committing crimes on the reg
23:44:43 <jess> in which case stop committing crimes on the reg
23:45:30 <moneromooo> If only criminals use tor, it'll end up banned and we honest people won't have it anymore :/
23:45:45 <jess> i think it'd be outstandingly hard to ban tor
23:45:45 <sethsimmons> It depends. It’s not straightforward, but I generally lean towards Tor for daily browsing.
23:46:26 <moneromooo> If I risk 5 years for using it, I don't think I'd use it. Close enough to banned.
23:46:36 <sethsimmons> https://schub.wtf/blog/2019/04/08/very-precarious-narrative.html
23:46:43 <xmrpow> jess: I kind of dont like the central point of failure of vpns...
23:46:44 <mrtrousers> Do you really trust tor? I have used it before but always been suspicious it's justa a huge NSA spying program, lulz
23:46:58 <moneromooo> Everything else also is :)
23:47:12 <mfoolb> with last verions following parameters are still useful: --ban-list ./block.txt --tx-proxy tor,127.0.0.1:9050,10
23:47:20 <moneromooo> Yes.
23:47:23 <ndorf> 5 years? that's only for like rapes and robberies. "computer crimes" more likely to be 50 years
23:48:42 <mfoolb> moneromooo: think yes was to my question.. so blocking known offender is still good and proxying transaction via tor too
23:49:07 <moneromooo> Yes.
23:49:08 <xmrpow> sethsimmons:  I have used tor for a month now, and I sometimes had to force myself to not tap the firefox button... Sometimes it s just so slow...
23:49:21 <moneromooo> You definitely get used to it :)
23:49:35 <xmrpow> Are there any other alternatives out there?
23:49:39 <sethsimmons> <xmrpow "sethsimmons:  I have used tor fo"> Then run a relay node and help out 😉
23:50:12 <xmrpow> https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/69BE1831EC63C751D241E5E962DA4793355A6253
23:50:15 <xmrpow> ;)
23:52:14 <sethsimmons> 👏
23:52:25 <xmrpow> I was thinking about spinning up more of them and reduce the costs with mining...
23:52:54 <xmrpow> Do you run exit nodes?
23:57:01 <sethsimmons> No, I do not ATM but am interested in it in the future.
23:58:20 <xmrpow> I think the biggest problem is hosting an exit node without having the police knocking at your door...
23:58:44 <ndorf> last i checked, tor project itself recommended against running exit nodes on your home internet connection
23:59:01 <xmrpow> Even if you run it in a datacenter...
23:59:22 <sethsimmons> <ndorf "last i checked, tor project itse"> Yah I would never recommend that.
23:59:48 <xmrpow> If the hoster does have your real name you are screwed as well.