02:09:47 <selsta> these blocked hosts are the Tor exit nodes from yesterday
03:24:25 <bacbank[m]> hey
03:28:47 <shirley_huang[m]> when u receive monero how long does it take to show up? 🤔
03:29:43 <sethsimmons> <bacbank[m] "hey"> Hey there!
03:29:53 <sethsimmons> <shirley_huang[m] "when u receive monero how long d"> Are you receiving it to your own wallet or an exchange?
03:30:04 <bacbank[m]> I'm having the same issue
03:30:06 <shirley_huang[m]> directly to wallet
03:30:07 <bacbank[m]> I've been waiting for hours
03:30:09 <bacbank[m]> same
03:33:23 <bacbank[m]> Is there a blockchain or something where I can check if it's on it's way?
03:40:34 <sethsimmons> You can use exploremonero.com or xmrchain.net to verify the transaction went through on the senders end.
03:41:03 <sethsimmons> No reason you should be waiting for more than 5m or so for it to show up in your wallet, unless the sender did something wrong or didn’t actually send funds.
03:41:33 <sethsimmons> What wallet are you using?
03:43:07 <zigozo> https://community.xmr.to/nodes.html
03:44:14 <zigozo> Example Usage
03:44:14 <zigozo>     Monero CLI wallet: monero-wallet-cli --daemon-host node.xmr.to --daemon-port 18081
03:44:14 <zigozo>     Monerujo: 18.132.124.81:18081
03:55:17 <bacbank[m]> I'm using the one on getmonero
03:55:43 <bacbank[m]> Is there any way I can get the transaction ID?
04:08:26 <zigozo> it should be right there if you sent, but if you're receiving you're trusting the sender if not sent to escrow.
04:08:33 <zigozo> correct me if I'm wrong
04:13:21 <zigozo> plus double, triple checking the xmr address to send/receive to doesn't hurt
04:15:13 <bacbank[m]> I'm supposed to be receiving from an exchange
04:16:44 <zigozo> there should be a TX id for the site itself
04:17:27 <zigozo> if anything hit them up via email
04:17:44 <bacbank[m]> it's newton.co where might I find this? yeah I've been emailing them and have to wait until tomorrow for a reply
04:18:00 <zigozo> take screenshots
04:18:02 <bacbank[m]> It's just my first monero transaction and it's very annoying to have it go this way
04:18:04 <bacbank[m]> alright
04:19:46 <zigozo> we all learn somehow. lol
04:20:35 <bacbank[m]> guys were saying this was easier than bitcoin lmao
04:20:39 <bacbank[m]> ffs
04:20:49 <zigozo> I've found changenow.io has good CS, if you have a transaction hanging
04:22:12 <h2017> in terms of difficulty it's no different from any other crypto
04:22:21 <h2017> if an exchange doesn't send that's on them
04:22:50 <bacbank[m]> I doubt they'd do this over a measly 100$
04:22:59 <bacbank[m]> I hope  wake up to good news tomorrow
04:23:00 <bacbank[m]> thanks guys
04:24:14 <zigozo> ecn if it's 5 bucks..
04:24:28 <zigozo> still important
04:24:44 <zigozo> -even-
04:24:57 <nioc> you should be able to get the txid from the site without having to contact anyone
04:25:30 <nioc> it's that way on any site that I have used
04:25:59 <nioc> check the txid on a block explorer
04:26:38 <nioc> if on the blockchain then you have your monero
04:27:20 <nioc> if your wallet is not accessing the info on the blockchain............
04:27:51 <nioc> depends on the wallet what you need to trouble shoot
04:28:11 <bacbank[m]> <zigozo "still important"> agreed
04:28:35 <bacbank[m]> <nioc "check the txid on a block explor"> I have no idea how to do this
04:29:19 <bacbank[m]> Do you think you could find the txid of newton.co?
04:29:42 <bacbank[m]> then I can use exploremonero to find it
04:29:59 <nioc> just put in in the box at top where the search button is and click search  https://xmrchain.net/
04:30:10 <zigozo> should be on the webpage wherever the transaction took place
04:30:18 <zigozo> cookies, etc
04:30:27 <nioc> the txid should be in your withdrawal history
04:31:08 <nioc> on newton
04:31:15 <zigozo> I've not used the site, a good one should have all the details right there
04:31:47 <zigozo> and quick..
04:31:59 <nioc> every site that I have used has your withdrawal and/or transaction history
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04:32:14 <bacbank[m]> thats all i have there
04:32:33 <zigozo> ah. you have to make an account?
04:32:34 <sethsimmons> There isn’t a deposits/withdrawals page?
04:32:51 <bacbank[m]> no the dep/with pages just give you the option to do it
04:32:54 <bacbank[m]> this is the history
04:33:00 <bacbank[m]> yeah
04:33:09 <bacbank[m]> I should've done more research before starting
04:33:32 <nioc> all O know is that newton is reputable
04:33:39 <nioc> *all I
04:33:42 <bacbank[m]> yeah which is why I felt it was safe
04:33:43 <sethsimmons> Surely they show the withdrawal info, must be missing something.
04:33:55 <sethsimmons> I’ve heard nothing but good things about Newton from reputable sources.
04:34:06 <nioc> if you can't figure it out then you will have to wait for their support
04:34:11 <zigozo> yeah, read reviews. it's pretty easy to see legit people giving reviews
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04:34:37 <bacbank[m]> yeah these are the only options
04:34:41 <bacbank[m]> deposit, trade and withdraw
04:34:46 <sethsimmons> Hit pending transfer
04:34:47 <bacbank[m]> but yeah I'll wait for them to answer
04:34:49 <sethsimmons> Bet it shows there
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04:35:25 <bacbank[m]> it's just a test 15$ that I never complete
04:35:58 <zigozo> dang
04:36:10 <sethsimmons> Yeah not sure then, hopefully their support can help.
04:36:19 <bacbank[m]> yeah I hope so
04:36:20 <sethsimmons> Not Canadian so haven’t tried them my selves ☹️
04:36:34 <bacbank[m]> is there a better exchange I should use?
04:37:01 <sethsimmons> Like I said I’ve heard great things about them
04:37:07 <sethsimmons> Not sure if Kraken services Canada
04:37:21 <bacbank[m]> doesn't kraken have really high fees?
04:37:21 <sethsimmons> They’d be my top recommendation for KYC exchanges
04:37:26 <sethsimmons> Not that I’ve noticed
04:37:36 <zigozo> changenow works
04:37:39 <sethsimmons> But I would t write off Newton from this, I’m sure it’s something simple.
04:37:45 <bacbank[m]> alright
04:37:52 <bacbank[m]> I'll see how it goes then
04:37:54 <zigozo> I'm not sure of regional borders etc
04:37:55 <sethsimmons> *wouldnt
04:39:14 <zigozo> any TX should be done within 30mins
04:39:31 <bacbank[m]> which is what they emailed me
04:39:39 <bacbank[m]> next thing I know I'm waiting for 9 hours
04:40:25 <zigozo> they're asleep? haha
04:40:35 <bacbank[m]> yeah I have to wait till 9am et
04:40:37 <bacbank[m]> est
04:41:07 <sethsimmons> I can’t really grasp how their site doesn’t have an easy to view withdrawal history so I’m very confused haha
04:41:33 <bacbank[m]> hahah the site does feel kinda simple
04:41:46 <bacbank[m]> I think it's new or something
04:42:58 <bacbank[m]> OMG
04:43:01 <bacbank[m]> THE MONEY ARRIVED
04:43:10 <bacbank[m]> thank you guys
04:43:13 <zigozo> pow
04:43:24 <sethsimmons> Ha nice
04:43:45 <sethsimmons> Was your wallet already synced up completely when you started the withdrawal?
04:43:45 <bacbank[m]> gosh I feel like a wait has been lifted off my shoulders and talking with you guys really calmed me down
04:44:15 <sethsimmons> Glad to hear it 🙂
04:44:23 <sethsimmons> Should stick around 😉
04:44:26 <zigozo> haha. I've had to wait for the tx without a chatroom
04:44:38 <zigozo> it's hard not to focus on till it's one.
04:44:40 <bacbank[m]> haha must have been tough
04:44:44 <bacbank[m]> yes
04:44:48 <zigozo> _done_
04:44:57 <bacbank[m]> I have literally been refreshing, creating new wallets and such for 9 hours
04:45:33 <bacbank[m]> about that, I have 3 ''different'' wallets with the same primary adress, are they the same wallet or actually unique ones?
04:45:43 <zigozo> write the seed phrases down, on paper
04:46:04 <sethsimmons> All the same wallet, just unique accounts — can be thought of as different accounts (checking, saving) in the same bank
04:46:15 <bacbank[m]> ohh alright
04:46:24 <bacbank[m]> so money from one account wont show up in the other?
04:46:34 <sethsimmons> Nope, they will stay distinct
04:46:41 <bacbank[m]> damn thats good to know
04:46:41 <sethsimmons> But all restore with the same seed
04:46:47 <zigozo> there are sub addresses made from the origin wallet address
04:46:52 <sethsimmons> You can always send between them if you’d like.
04:47:08 <bacbank[m]> and if I lose the one with all the money in it is it over?
04:47:16 <bacbank[m]> or can I log into other ones and recover
04:47:24 <sethsimmons> The same seed restores all of them.
04:47:29 <bacbank[m]> thank god
04:47:31 <sethsimmons> If you’re referring to accounts properly.
04:47:50 <sethsimmons> One wallet can have multiple accounts, and each account can have multiple subaddresses
04:48:40 <bacbank[m]> so as long as I have the mnemonic seed I will never lose my accounts?
04:48:42 <nioc> bacbank[m]: write down your seed and put it somewhere safe
04:48:47 <sethsimmons> Yup 🙂
04:48:58 <bacbank[m]> great thanks alot guys
04:48:58 <nioc> then write it down again and put it somewhere else
04:49:04 <sethsimmons> Keep that bad boy safe and secret.
04:49:08 <nioc> and then a third time lol
04:49:10 <bacbank[m]> will do!
04:49:23 <zigozo> get it tatoo'd
04:49:43 <sethsimmons> Please don’t lmao
04:49:47 <bacbank[m]> I'm gonna call it a night fellas, thanks for helping me end the night on a good note
04:49:51 <nioc> as long as you have that you have your keys and can access the blockchain with any monero wallet
04:49:58 <sethsimmons> Enjoy 🙂
04:50:03 <bacbank[m]> Thanks you!
04:50:07 <zigozo> peace
04:50:08 <nioc> gn :)
04:58:54 <lza_menace> anyone know of projects or examples where someone charted wallet balances from the rpc interface?
05:01:31 <lza_menace> chart.js or some simple javascript thing
13:47:23 <gingeropolous> ah crap. i guess im running into another year for that supernode.
14:06:27 <Lyza> the GUI auto updater, if you decline the update, does it ask you again when you next open the wallet, or how does that work?
14:15:09 <selsta> yes, it asks you again
14:26:42 <Lyza> Okay, just wondering cause somebody in r/MoneroSupport was on 0.16.0.2 and was all "I wish there was a reminder that popped up like in ledger live that alerts you of the latest version."
14:26:50 <Lyza> so.... Idk, not sure how that happened
14:40:27 <selsta> Lyza: the auto updater got added with 0.16.1 or so
14:40:43 <Lyza> oh okay I thought it was added back in 0.15
14:44:19 <Lyza> selsta actually this thread you say it was added in 0.16 and that 0.16.0.1 will be the first version available through the updater https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/h139vq/new_gui_updater_in_v016/ftqrjhy/
14:44:29 <Lyza> so this user should have gotten a notice
14:45:33 <selsta> which OS does the user have?
14:46:51 <Lyza> I'll have to ask, and hope they come back to update the thread. which is here btw https://www.reddit.com/r/monerosupport/comments/k1pfxa/how_long_to_wait_for_transfer_from_binance/
14:47:33 <selsta> it says Windows
14:47:43 <Lyza> doh, thanks lol
14:47:58 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases
14:48:10 <selsta> you can download v0.16.0.2 yourself and check if it shows up
14:48:19 <selsta> I don't have Windows machine here
14:48:38 <selsta> it should show up theoretically
14:49:25 <Lyza> huh, this goes from 0.16.0.1 to 0.16.0.3
14:50:16 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases
14:50:19 <selsta> was wrong link
14:50:38 <Lyza> got it
14:54:07 <selsta> hmm I know why it does not pop up
14:54:18 <selsta> hashes.txt updated to v0.17.1.5
14:54:28 <selsta> until we update the auto updater it will not show up
15:01:32 <Lyza> makes sense. yeah I'm not seeing the notification either
15:02:39 <Lyza> is there a better way to do that to avoid temporarily breaking the updater?
15:02:58 <selsta> Not with the current setup.
15:03:09 <Lyza> unfortunate
15:04:30 <Lyza> what if hashes.txt also included hashes of the previous version?
15:05:18 <selsta> not ideal
15:06:49 <selsta> people are already confused about having cli and gui in one file
15:06:58 <Lyza> definitely agree it's not ideal, just trying to think of what could be done without changing the implementation
15:07:02 <Lyza> true true
15:08:57 <Lyza> maybe just make it a point to do the auto-updater more concurrent with the actual release
15:09:11 <moneromooo> Add version number to the filename ?
15:10:13 <Lyza> that wouldn't fix the updater for older releases I think but sounds good to do going forward maybe
15:14:23 <Lyza> unless I'm missing a piece which, entirely possible. like uhh, could keep hashes.txt at the previous version until the auto updater is updated
15:14:59 <Lyza> if we additionally have versioned hashes.txt files. would prolly break some people's update workflow
15:15:21 <Lyza> but c'est la vie
15:20:48 <selsta> auto updater and dns being delay 1-2 days is intentional to catch major bugs
15:20:58 <selsta> like the issue we had with the gui on linux
15:21:03 <selsta> where it would not start
15:21:11 <selsta> delayed*
15:23:29 <Lyza> +1 that's completely reasonable. but if we released a new version with a hashes.newversion.txt and waited to update hashes.txt until we actually want to push out the auto update, I think that would work. I think is maybe also what moneromooo was suggesting
15:24:26 <gingeropolous> dEBRUYNE, may want to edit this to 0.17.1.5 , https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jv8v2r/psa_if_you_run_a_public_remote_node_please/
15:37:51 <moneromooo> You can have hashes.txt symlink to the one you want to be the one you advertise.
15:38:11 <moneromooo> (ie, the one the updated would look for)
15:38:17 <moneromooo> /ted/ter/
15:38:35 <moneromooo> Then again I dunno the details of how it works.
15:39:16 <moneromooo> Does anyone use mine btw ? And does it still work ? :D
15:40:50 <Lyza> you made an updater?
15:41:48 <moneromooo> Yes.
15:41:56 <Lyza> point me to it I'm curious
15:42:04 <moneromooo> Not touched in ages though.
15:42:28 <moneromooo> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-update
15:43:39 <Lyza> nice I would consider using it for the CLI I think, might test er out later
18:54:26 <selsta> reminder that a new release is out: https://www.getmonero.org/2020/11/25/monero-0.17.1.5-released.html
18:54:36 <selsta> the more people update the faster dandelion transactions will get :)
19:35:36 <selsta> Lyza: auto updater should be enabled now
19:38:19 <selsta> in case you want to test v0.16.0.2 again :D
19:51:23 <matthewcroughan_> Where can one read about Monero's release notes here ? https://www.getmonero.org/2020/11/25/monero-0.17.1.5-released.html
19:51:43 <selsta> "Some highlights of this minor release are:"
19:52:09 <matthewcroughan_> more specifically, about this "dandelion++" and "fluff", "embargos" and "anonymity networks"
19:52:38 <matthewcroughan_> These release notes mean nothing to anyone but the most core advocates who I'm sure have been paying attention to #monero-dev
19:53:23 <matthewcroughan_> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/commit/9b7ed2fd8ba387e9e9dc6368430a337b4a5c798b
19:53:39 <matthewcroughan_> Alright, so I have some reading to do.
19:53:51 <matthewcroughan_> Amazing commit messages, thanks vtnerd
19:53:54 <Ymgve> just google it
19:53:54 <selsta> the release notes are not the place to explain what Dandelion++ is
19:54:05 <selsta> https://www.monerooutreach.org/stories/dandelion.html
19:54:08 <selsta> this article is good
19:54:19 <selsta> also commit messages for more in depth, yea
19:54:52 <matthewcroughan_> I heard about dandelion from Andreas Antonopolous like a year ago, still vague in my head :D
19:55:31 <matthewcroughan_> OH dear, maybe it's not the same thing hah
19:55:38 <vtnerd> yeah the changes were too important to leave info solely on github
19:55:47 <moneromooo> You might know it as taraxacum.
19:56:16 <Ymgve> there also was a link to a description when dandelion++ was introduced https://www.getmonero.org/2020/05/23/monero-0.16-released.html
19:57:20 <Ymgve> I don't think every parameter change should come with a full description of the tech
19:57:20 <matthewcroughan_> I've been out of the loop for quite some time.
19:57:40 <matthewcroughan_> You're right, but it's amazing how alien those release notes look, having been out of it for a long time.
19:57:45 <matthewcroughan_> It does look like buzzword bingo.
19:58:39 <selsta> fluff embargo :D
19:59:20 <moneromooo> Latest skirmish in the pony trade wars.
20:00:00 <matthewcroughan_> So. Is the tl;dr of dandelion that hosting my monero node is much like hosting a Tor exit node? Dangerous and known to the snooping world? *until* Dandelion?
20:00:29 <matthewcroughan_> Or is it that *transacting* using a wallet is like that? Not running a node.
20:01:19 <Ymgve> it means no one can see which node generated a transaction
20:02:31 <matthewcroughan_> Awesome. So is this similar to LN nodes?
20:02:52 <Ymgve> pretty sure LN doesn't do anything like that
20:03:00 <moneromooo> Before dandelion, it's like hosting a normal server. Like httpd. After dandelion, it's more like direct connect.
20:03:19 <matthewcroughan_> Could have sworn a year ago I heard Andreas Antonopolous talking about "dandelion protocol" on LN like a year ago on a podcast.. hmm
20:03:20 <moneromooo> A bit betewen direct connect and tor I guess.
20:04:21 <moneromooo> It was originally made for Bitcoin.
20:07:26 <matthewcroughan_> Have there been any changes since 2018 that would mean I have to generate a new wallet to see benefits? Like segwit on bitcoin?
20:08:11 <moneromooo> No.
20:08:25 <vtnerd> Andreas may have been talking about onion-like routing for LN, where each hop only knows the node directly before and after it
20:08:36 <matthewcroughan_> that's right vtnerd
20:08:56 <matthewcroughan_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjDJGTpK_lE
20:09:01 <vtnerd> this is similar only in that it involves privacy, but is for a slightly different purpose
20:09:38 <vtnerd> the objective is to reduce the linkability between an ip and tx, if an attacker has lots of sybil nodes
20:10:05 <vtnerd> in other words, reduce the ability to statistical track the origin by running lots of nodes/connections
20:11:33 <matthewcroughan_> Lol the way Andreas explains mimblewimble is incredibly fun.
20:13:49 <matthewcroughan_> Lol @ all the people that pumped grin to $5, not understanding any of the tech behind it.
20:15:31 <matthewcroughan_> vtnerd: ah, dandelion as he explains it is BIP156
20:16:13 <matthewcroughan_> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0156.mediawiki
20:16:37 <vtnerd> that bip and dandelion++ are slightly different, but the objectives are the same
20:17:15 <vtnerd> and general flow - the biggest difference is the process is _not_ interactive now
20:17:36 <matthewcroughan_> what does "interactive" mean in this context?
20:17:40 <matthewcroughan_> requiring user input?
20:17:52 <vtnerd> and there is no patch for dandelion++ against Bitcoin, which is why all of the clones have Dandelion and not Dandelion++. And don't seem to know the difference much
20:18:13 <vtnerd> no, it would probe a remote node to determine capabilities
20:19:44 <vtnerd> each node now forwards to node without asking it for whether dandelion++ is enabled/available
20:20:10 <vtnerd> since the last hard-fork release had dandelion++ support, most nodes should support it now
20:22:21 <matthewcroughan_> vtnerd: Is there no downside to doing that?
20:23:09 <moneromooo> You can get a short path. But since people update, it's short lived.
20:24:14 <matthewcroughan_> > it was recently applied to Monero by developer Lee Clagett (vtnerd) :O
20:24:31 <matthewcroughan_> > was approved by moneromooo
20:24:47 <matthewcroughan_> Lol. That's how you know something is awesome. When everything still happens in IRC.
20:25:23 <vtnerd> yeah who needs emoticons and gifs
20:26:32 <matthewcroughan_> Or javascript that makes your CPU run at 90C
20:28:49 <Ymgve> thats just the website mining crypto in the background
20:58:04 <gingeropolous> does the current dandelion++ ban a node if an origination results in no detected fluff within the timeframe?
20:59:57 <sech1> Not likely. You can't know which node didn't propagate the transaction, so you can't just ban your first peer in the stem chain
20:59:59 <vtnerd> no, that deviation from whitepaper is probably too harsh
21:00:33 <vtnerd> yes, as sech1 said
21:00:34 <gingeropolous> indeed, to both.
21:01:26 <gingeropolous> and u can't really send out probes because malicious nodes could just relay the probe signal but then block actual txs
21:03:12 <gingeropolous> heh. i wonder if you could split the tx into two parts, then send it off on 2 stems.
21:03:22 <gingeropolous> twixt the twain shall meet is where something happens
21:03:55 <gingeropolous> well thats some garbledygook for yah
21:04:09 <gingeropolous> but yeah. so the message is garbage unless you have the second part
21:04:34 <gingeropolous> but u could always just blackhole
21:04:59 <gingeropolous> however, if your node can get disconnected because probe signals indicate you're blackholing things, then ... you have to relay everything you get
21:05:27 <gingeropolous> hrm yes yes. someone pour some coffee on this thought and put it in the sun.
21:07:54 <sech1> you have a point. If you can't distinguish between the real tx and a probe, you have to relay everything. Now the question is how to make probes look like tx
21:08:38 <sech1> without making actual tx. It's probably impossible.
21:10:08 <selsta> I sent a transaction today and it showed up in ~5 seconds in the mempool :D
21:10:22 <selsta> the v0.17.1.5 parameter changes are probably helping here
21:30:49 <nioc> selsta: just tried and I got 45 to 50 seconds which is a time frame that did not happen before
21:30:52 <nioc> before it was either quickly added or most likely 3.5 minutes to 4.5 minutes
21:31:35 <selsta> if there is a timeout it should take 30-50 seconds now
21:31:41 <selsta> without timeout < 5
21:32:03 <nioc> ok
21:32:45 <sech1> vtnerd So if a 0.17.1.5 node is surrounded by older nodes, will it always fluff first? Isn't it hurting Dandelion++ goals?
21:41:08 <gingeropolous> well only 4 months out from a potential hardfork, so .... soon it'll be fine i guess
21:42:40 <gingeropolous> how to make probes look like tx
21:42:40 <gingeropolous> <sech1> without making actual tx. It's probably impossible. >>> thats why I was thinking we could split the tx somehow, using cryptomaths
21:42:46 <vtnerd> sech1 : I'd have to think about it some more, but doesn't seem to be terrible offhand. there's a bias towards nodes that upgraded but not a bias to nodes earlier in the stem
21:44:23 <gingeropolous> so node takes tx A, then does encodes it as something and then splits that, so you get A^1 and A^2. Node then sends A^1 out to peer A and A^2 out to peer B ....
21:45:23 <gingeropolous> A stems out to A[1-6] and B sends out to B[1-6], and the union of A and B is where something happens.....
21:46:40 <gingeropolous> i guess an array isn't the best way to denote the stem initiated by A..
21:49:38 <dEBRUYNE> I genuinely doubt we'll have a scheduled protocol upgrade in 4 months..
21:51:01 <dEBRUYNE> Also Reddit thread titles cannot be edited, I will add a new thread soon
21:52:50 <hyc> there's nothing in the works that will be ready in 4 months.
21:52:57 <hyc> ready as in fully audited
21:53:27 <dEBRUYNE> Right
21:54:17 <nioc> we are almost there https://charity.gofundme.com/o/en/campaign/dr-sarang-noether-to-implement-bulletproofs-in-monero
21:54:45 <nioc> seems that there is also a verification benefit as well with BP+
23:47:04 <Lyza> selsta yep updater works fine in 0.16.0.2 now