00:37:59 <Coo> hey
00:38:09 <Coo> what's up
00:38:09 <Coo> ?
01:19:08 <Shikadi> buy
01:25:26 <xmrmatterbridge> <kirbyxmr> anybody able to confirm this for me?
01:25:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <kirbyxmr>
01:25:28 <xmrmatterbridge> <kirbyxmr> still having troubles broadcasting from the node.  might need to add those banned peers?
01:30:46 <Deyaa> What is the best way to store my keys??
01:31:04 <Deyaa> Currently I'm using keepass
01:31:24 <Deyaa> Anyone can suggest an alternative??
01:45:35 <endor00[m]> That's a great way to store your keys (make sure you set the decryption time to take at least a few seconds)
01:52:50 <Deyaa> endor00[m]: but it's not efficient I've to enter everything manually
02:19:06 <Deyaa> Why kraken ask me for my country??
02:19:25 <Deyaa> At the sign-up page
02:20:06 <nioc> they do KYC (know your customer)
02:20:19 <nioc> they will ask for more info than that
02:20:44 <Deyaa> But I want to be anonymous
02:20:50 <tryphe_> next they will ask for your blood sample and hair sample
02:21:38 <Deyaa> tryphe_: but I already have my DNA results
02:21:40 <nioc> Deyaa: do you want to buy with fiat or cash out with fiat?
02:22:20 <nioc> cash out to fiat*
02:22:56 <Deyaa> I want to cash out
02:23:08 <strike> sell on localmonero
02:23:22 <strike> use the tor hidden service
02:24:03 <Deyaa> strike: does it support PayPal??
02:24:13 <strike> its peer to peer
02:24:22 <Deyaa> Is there any service support PayPal??
02:24:22 <nioc> anonymous, uses paypal
02:24:28 <strike> you make an ad and have people buy monero from you
02:24:43 <strike> using paypal will break your anonymity
02:25:07 <nioc> people can reverse payments with paypal, who would use that for crypto without ID?
02:26:47 <Deyaa> nioc: how can I stay anonymous and cash out??
02:27:33 <nioc> as strike said use localmonero
02:28:12 <tryphe_> Deyaa, btw the reason they ask for id is because this exchange, among others, is held captive by the FATF, a terrorist organization that finances USD imperialism
02:28:14 <nioc> I have no experience with using that service
02:28:28 <Deyaa> Ok but how I'm gonna cash out ?? Using which service??
02:29:33 <Deyaa> tryphe_: I think that not  effecting the world anyway ..
02:30:30 <strike> s/effecting/affecting/
02:30:51 <strike> Deyaa: make an account on localmonero. set up an ad to sell your monero. sell your monero.
02:31:19 <Spaceguide> Deyaa: you could also use Bisq
02:31:28 <strike> ^
02:31:46 <Deyaa> strike: how I'm gonna get my money??
02:32:18 <strike> figure that out
02:32:27 <strike> cash by mail is popular
02:32:37 <strike> have people send you cash to a po box
02:33:02 <Deyaa> Wouldn't that break my anonymity??
02:34:46 <Deyaa> Ok thanks guys for contributions
02:41:44 <the5000[m]> The best way to get money is have Mexicans fetch it for you
02:44:48 <Deyaa> Is it easy to sell XMR??
02:45:00 <Deyaa> Or it takes some while
02:48:23 <Spaceguide> Deyaa : Bisq is non KYC
02:48:46 <Spaceguide> it's a DEX
03:07:57 <gingeropolous> hrm, that could be it. spurious though. ...
03:09:48 <gingeropolous> ok so mining pool centralizations. main problem is one block producer. solution to that is the stratum++ or whatever its called. stratum select. miners make their own blocks
03:10:12 <gingeropolous> problem is most miners don't give two shits about the blockchain. can't be bothered to run a local node to make their own blocks
03:10:46 <gingeropolous> so perhaps we borrow some of this delegated crap from DPOS, and so we have the primary pool be the main aggregator of shares
03:11:10 <gingeropolous> and the pool enlists block creators, that miners connect to for their blocks
03:11:41 <gingeropolous> and the block creators get a larger % of the blockreward
03:12:02 <gingeropolous> so now, instead of oh lets see the mining pool stats...
03:12:41 <gingeropolous> 5958 miners all working on one block created by supportxmr, that is split into groups of 100-200 or whatever
03:13:04 <gingeropolous> i mean the groupings would be emergent, based on ping and reliability etc
03:13:20 <gingeropolous> i.e.,  a miner decides which delegate to connect to based on n stats
03:13:50 <gingeropolous> M5M400, Snipa  this make sense?
03:14:13 <gingeropolous> cause like i feel that pool operators *would* implement the new hotness (stratum select), but they know that miners won't do it
03:14:53 <gingeropolous> so you need to give the miners incentive, and of course that incentive comes down to delegate rewards, or block constructor rewards, or whatever its called
03:16:04 <gingeropolous> heh, would also cut down on pool infrastructure because utlimately those delegates function as network proxies
03:17:48 <gingeropolous> and so the reward would still be split amongst the entire pool, so there'd be no reason for delegates to gain an undue % of the pool miners.
03:18:03 <gingeropolous> ima stop now before this turns into a wall of text that people will just ignore .....
03:30:57 <Snipa> You're still single block producer.
03:31:12 <Snipa> The pool /is/ nothing but a network proxy.
03:32:08 <Snipa> Sxmr as an entity is a single block producer in your scenario, where in reality, it's ~30-ish block producers, as there's ~30 different daemons running behind the scenes.
03:38:48 <gingeropolous> no, but the delegates are creating the blocks.
03:39:02 <gingeropolous> i mean, thats the whole difference between existing stratum and stratum++ or whatever
03:39:23 <gingeropolous> yes, there's still 1 block producer, but the block crafters are now separate
03:39:34 <gingeropolous> whittlin their blocks
03:39:49 <gingeropolous> right? thats how stratum++ "fixes" the pool centralization
03:40:11 <gingeropolous> its OK if a pool has 100% of the network, if its workers are the ones creating the blocks that they themselves hash on.
03:40:36 <gingeropolous> its only a problem if the pool op is the one creating the blocks and then requesting workers to hash on that block
03:41:00 <gingeropolous> in that scenario, your daemon is the only one creating blocks.
03:41:50 <gingeropolous> in a stratum++ scenario, the miners are creating the blocks and submitting shares that solve the miners block, not the pool ops. sure, the pool op has to accept the block and distribute it
03:42:06 <gingeropolous> jtgrassie,
03:43:24 <gingeropolous> well yes, your daemon or 30 different daemons, doesn't matter. you still control them. u get it I know. this is pointless to hit enter but I will
03:43:34 <Snipa> :P
03:43:44 <Snipa> That's my point, we're just a proxy to the daemon.
03:44:30 <Snipa> The only way to generate the block is to call the daemon to give you the block data required.
03:44:37 <gingeropolous> right
03:44:43 <gingeropolous> the delegates would run their own daemon
03:45:04 <gingeropolous> this idea is built on the premise that some small percentage of miners would run their own node
03:45:49 <gingeropolous> to function as crafters / delegates for some n% increase in their block reward
03:46:00 <Snipa> I mean, it's just smaller pools.
03:46:01 <Snipa> :P
03:46:03 <gingeropolous> but that the majority of miners would rather not
03:46:04 <gingeropolous> right
03:46:11 <Snipa> So no change functionally.
03:46:11 <gingeropolous> but people don't get variance
03:46:16 <gingeropolous> well no
03:46:21 <gingeropolous> so the whole pool still shares the reward
03:46:48 <gingeropolous> like, if I submit shares to delegate X and delegate X finds the block, the block reward is still shared to the entire pool, not just delegate X's connected miners
03:47:13 <gingeropolous> so in terms of block crafting, yes, its smaller pools
03:47:24 <gingeropolous> but in terms of reward splitting its a larger pool
03:47:33 <gingeropolous> i mean the goal is to get miners to has on their own blocks
03:47:36 <gingeropolous> hash
03:47:47 <gingeropolous> ./s/has/hash
03:47:52 <gingeropolous> damnit
03:48:21 <gingeropolous> and if we can't achieve that perfection, then the next level down is at least some random ass miners block instead of the godlike pool op
03:48:30 <gingeropolous> Lording down on their pitiful miners
03:48:43 <gingeropolous> telling them which transactions are worthy of inclusion in the allmighty chain
03:54:08 <gingeropolous> so the pool op becomes more an aggregator of work and distributor of rewards. it could prolly be rigged up such that the delegate could actually broadcast the block
04:52:50 <bigslim[m]> Snipa mc snipertons hope you are doing well
04:53:14 <bigslim[m]> You as well ginger
06:30:14 <Deyaa> Is it easy to sell XMR??
06:38:11 <Infinity8> Hello XMR users. I'm having problems with SSH tunneling into my XMR node. I'm getting "Connection Refused" when attempting to SSH
06:38:45 <Infinity8> Reference: https://github.com/jonathancross/jc-docs/blob/master/ssh_tunnel_to_full_node.md
06:39:10 <Infinity8> -f -nNT -L$RPC_PORT:localhost:$RPC_PORT $REMOTEUSER@$REMOTEHOST
06:39:32 <Infinity8> It worked previously but I'm not sure if it's because I'm running it off of a wireless ethernet bridge has to do with it
06:43:04 <Infinity8> Firewall on server is definitely off
06:58:21 <Infinity8> okay, well SSH uninstalled somehow
06:58:27 <Infinity8> oh wells. I'll figure it out tomorrow or something
07:03:12 <Deyaa> Can anyone help??
07:06:41 <Inge-> kirbyxmr: upgraded to 0.17.1.3? added more outgoing connections? implemented banlist?
07:28:53 <Deyaa> Inge-: is it easy to sell XMR??
07:49:17 <Inge-> Deyaa: for other crypto, very easy. For fiat? That depends - e.g. if you have no problem with KYC then it is trivial.
07:51:45 <Deyaa> Inge-: ok thanks
07:57:06 <shabash8> are there any australian exchanges that sell monero?
08:00:56 <Inge-> Probably not. They have been getting pressure from the banking side to delist privacy enhancing coins
08:03:10 <shabash8> i used to buy off coinspot
08:03:14 <shabash8> it was so easy
08:06:37 <Inge-> I'm guessing you can still get BTC or other crypto - then you could send to some other non-kyc exchange and trade for xmr. You could use morphtoken etc too - but I fear that whomever you bought crypto from can later see that you sent it to morphtoken and they could at some future point deny you service
08:06:45 <Inge-> Gotta love a completely transparent blockchain!
08:38:09 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> shabash8 we got Binance in Oz, u just have to kyc
08:41:21 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> also swiftx
08:42:25 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> binance you will have to buy usdt or btc or one of the other pairs,, swiftx you can buy in aud
08:51:35 <shabash8> sorry i'm new, what's kyc?
08:51:36 <shabash8> hv-bridge
08:55:48 <charolastra> might as well kys
08:55:55 <shabash8> you first
08:56:06 <charolastra> it's short for know your customer
08:56:35 <charolastra> you have to send copy of your passport before they are allowed to do business with you
10:47:48 <Deyaa> Xmrig sees all my workers as one
10:49:26 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> change "pass" to a name in config.sys
10:49:49 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> .json **
10:50:02 <hv-bridge> <DonkeyCongo> config.json
10:51:48 <Deyaa> I use it without pass
10:52:20 <Deyaa> xmrig -o pool.minexmr.com:4444 -u kgzhjfx
10:55:15 <Deyaa> hv-bridge: how do I specify a password??
10:59:55 <endor00[m]> <Deyaa "hv-bridge: how do I specify a pa"> Just put whatever value you want, either with -p [whatever] or by using the config.json file
11:02:22 <endor00[m]> <gingeropolous "like, if I submit shares to dele"> But what's stopping the delegate from changing the reward destination address in the block template to reap the full reward for themselves? (Effectively becoming a minipool and taking the reward from its connected miners)
11:03:47 <endor00[m]> When it's 1 miner vs 1 pool, the incentive not to change it is the fact that you'd be back to solo mining, which you wouldn't need a pool for in the first place so you have no good reason to do it
11:04:36 <Deyaa> endor00[m]: does this gonna make the pool to see my workers as 10 not 1??
11:04:49 <endor00[m]> But when someone in the middle is tampering with the block template, they could effectively steal your hashrate by making you mine for them instead for the pool
11:05:36 <endor00[m]> <Deyaa "endor00: does this gonna make th"> The pool already knows you have 10 workers because it can see 10 connections. The only difference is what data it shows you on the dashboard
11:06:09 <endor00[m]> And there's not much point in trying to hide how many workers you have
11:06:59 <Deyaa> I'm not trying to hide my workers
11:07:23 <Deyaa> The server sees my 10 workers as one
11:08:20 <Deyaa> And combine the hash rate and it seems to be different than the real hash rate sent from the client xmrig
11:08:41 <endor00[m]> The server sees 10 workers, but since they have the same "name" (the pass field) it shows all their data as a single miner
11:09:03 <endor00[m]> It's better to use different names for each worker, so that you can see if one is having problems
11:09:20 <Deyaa> How??
11:09:40 <endor00[m]> <endor00[m] "Just put whatever value you want"> ^
11:09:59 <endor00[m]> -u address -p worker1
11:10:13 <endor00[m]> Like that
11:10:16 <Deyaa> Okay I get it thanks buddy 💓💓
11:12:52 <Deyaa> endor00[m]: I made a goal to send 1 MH/S is that sound good
11:13:32 <endor00[m]> That's a lot of mining power
11:14:08 <endor00[m]> (Please don't use the two largest pools if you do that, supportxmr and minexmr)
11:14:13 <Deyaa> Yeah I'm using the company servers I asked my manager and he agreed
11:14:51 <Deyaa> Why??
11:15:03 <Deyaa> What pool should I use
11:15:23 <endor00[m]> Because those pools are very big already, and that's not good for Monero
11:16:59 <Deyaa> Okay
11:17:02 <Deyaa> Thanks
11:17:10 <sech1> Use smaller pools like xmrpool.eu or hashvault.pro
11:17:18 <sech1> List of pools: https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
11:17:30 <endor00[m]> Use a smaller one, like hashvault.pro , moneroocean.stream , or miningpoolhub.com
11:17:31 <sech1> but don't use minergate - it's a scam
11:18:46 <Deyaa> Okay I will make sure I'm using the a legit one
11:19:08 <Deyaa> Is there a page or something like that??
11:19:29 <Deyaa> To stay away from scams
11:20:52 <endor00[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/monero/wiki/avoid/
11:22:09 <Deyaa> endor00[m]: this what I'm looking for
11:22:27 <Deyaa> Thanks guys for your contributions
12:04:06 <gingeropolous> endor00[m], jtgrassie's protocol takes care of that
12:08:34 * liz[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EjzntaCTuvdWzaIEPgufriNs/message.txt >
12:26:55 <Jaska_> hmm.. 1mh/s seems something you should solo mine with
13:55:38 <endor00[m]> Yeah but it's more complicated if you don't know what you're doing
15:22:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <kirbyxmr> how do you format the --ban-list argument?  is it just comma seperated list?
15:23:03 <moneromooo> It is a filename.
15:26:01 <xmrmatterbridge> <kirbyxmr> kk ty
16:10:29 <floam412> Hey guys.. I'm having weird issues with my node still.  I'm using the gui 0.17.1.4-6fce5c7a (Qt 5.9.9) with the node being v0.17.1.3-release still
16:10:37 <floam412> it has 16 out connection and 0 in
16:10:55 <floam412> any ideas what to do?
16:13:03 <Ymgve> port forwarding in your router
16:23:16 <while> ;price
16:24:10 <floam412> is there a stack exchange link or something I can follow to do that Ymgve?
16:24:17 <floam412> not quite familiar
16:30:11 <dEBRUYNE> floam412: Do you know how to access your router?
16:30:12 <Ymgve> floam412: it all depends on your network setup and hardware, so there's no general guide
16:31:08 <floam412> ooo... dEBRUYNE no I don't.  Like I know your type in numbers and dots and stuff in the browser but idk what to enter
16:31:14 <floam412> for my router specifically
16:39:37 <binaryFate> depends on your network config, but you can try 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.1.1
18:42:11 <vdo[m]> hmmm looks like my home node has 0 peers too ( and port forwarding is working, just tested with nmap)
18:42:19 <vdo[m]> any reason why that could happen?
18:56:19 <moneromooo> If you have in_peers and out_peers to 0, if you started with --offline, if your db is borked and all peers banned you, if you have out_peers to 0 and using hide-my-port or a wrong port, if you forwarded the wrong port, if your ISP is censoring monero.
19:06:43 <vdo[m]> i think the db borked is the most probable one, I will resync thanks
19:19:38 <moneromooo> Good way to test it is to exit monerod, move the db away, restart, see if you get peers.
19:19:50 <moneromooo> If not, it's probably not that, so exit and move db back.
19:26:51 <jcpham> wallet syncronized but no funds
19:26:59 <jcpham> how long does a txn take to clear
19:27:38 <jcpham> https://blox.minexmr.com/tx/8292661fac5271ba9b8d9b6c7bab2b0b4af93f2c8aefe161a9e2a793f8cb04ed
19:27:54 <dEBRUYNE> jcpham: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6640/i-am-missing-not-seeing-a-transaction-to-in-the-gui-zero-balance
19:28:43 <donkeydonkey[m]> that is a great stack exchange answer
19:29:00 <jcpham> i don't think I'm running latets version first of all lol;
19:29:56 <jcpham> it's a very old wallet
19:32:46 <jcpham> gui not reporting correct block height
19:34:41 <jcpham> i had mismatched monerd and monero gui running
19:34:42 <dEBRUYNE> Which version are you running?
19:35:09 <jcpham> i was running .16 monerod and .17 gui
19:35:19 <jcpham> i'm not now
19:35:52 <jcpham> syncing again
19:36:01 <jcpham> ty dEBRUYNE
19:36:52 <jcpham> fluffypony when do we get the coinbase video intro intro and free XMR
20:00:45 <sy> Hey all, anyone know why a transaction might be going from Waiting confirmations to Failed in a few minutes? I'm sending to a 48* with a 0.00001266 fee
20:06:02 <dEBRUYNE> Which version are you using?
20:06:04 <dEBRUYNE> jcpham: np
20:07:12 <sy> dEBRUYNE: monero-0.17.1.1_1 with the gui wallet
20:08:03 <dEBRUYNE> Please upgrade to GUI v0.17.1.4
20:08:07 <dEBRUYNE> It should resolve the issue
20:09:31 <sy> ah damn forgot that freshly installing something on void still gets you an old version unless you update repos first, thanks dEBRUYNE!
20:12:17 <dEBRUYNE> np
20:44:56 <lh1008[m]> Hello eveyrone. Does anyone know how to add the key to an RPC-pay call to a RPC-pay server? This is for the Monero Outreach RPC-pay node that the workgroup is running. I'm able to make calls from my local node but in this case RPC-pay node servers require a signature to authenticate and be payed with the hashes produced by the machine. Can anyone help out?
20:59:13 <Mochi101> lh1008[m], rpc_payment_info in your wallet
20:59:41 <Mochi101> It'll give you a client ID and a secret key
21:01:54 * lh1008[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gAImEOhQulqZJlfKjVryGpqn/message.txt >
21:02:47 <lh1008[m]> I added it to id field but it returned the id but no info.
21:04:00 <lh1008[m]> I was told I had to add the signature in the client field, but can't find the client field.
21:09:26 <Mochi101> lh1008[m], this is pretty new... lots of undocumented stuff.. best to dive into the code if you're able to
21:10:16 <Mochi101> Or wait for someone more knowledgeable than me to help you :)
21:11:11 <lh1008[m]> I went to the code, to the file itself, I was going to change it but moneromooo told me I didn't have to do anything in the code, or that was what I understood.
21:11:21 <lh1008[m]> I'm still trying.
21:11:37 <Mochi101> I mean read it, to see what it expects.
21:18:04 <Mochi101> lh1008[m], I looked... I've no idea. Sorry
21:19:15 <lh1008[m]> It's okay, here is the file of what should it expect: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/rpc/rpc_payment_signature.cpp
21:19:24 <lh1008[m]> There are two methods.
23:27:30 <moneromooo> I don't understand your question. Try asking a different question.
23:28:51 <moneromooo> Did you say earlier you were using python ?
23:29:20 <moneromooo> I remember someone did and I said there was code doing this in python in tests/functional_tests...