08:52:44 <rbrunner> Can somebody with the necessary rights (e.g. pigeons) please restart the Mattermost-to-IRC bridge? It fell over yesterday or so. Thanks!
10:55:22 <shirley_huang[m]> Did anyone else here get a link to https://monero-badcaca.net/ from zfwytvlvvpc (PM on chat.freenode.net)?
10:56:01 <binaryFate> no, but it's not surprising. They keep spamming this around
10:57:12 <charolastra> yeah, got it. wtf is it?
10:57:40 <shirley_huang[m]> from what I understand badcaca believes that monero is not as secure
10:58:00 <shirley_huang[m]> And I looked at the author, they are promoting their own fork of monero, called Ryo
10:58:28 <sech1> It's a fork of a fork of Monero
10:58:30 <sech1> actually
10:58:46 <shirley_huang[m]> Fork of a fork, okay
10:58:54 <shirley_huang[m]> Monero --> ??? --> Ryo
10:58:59 <shirley_huang[m]> What was before it?
10:59:11 <sech1> Fireice has a long history of throwing dirt and hating Monero, disclosing critical bugs before they were fixed etc.
10:59:16 <sech1> and now actually attacking the network
10:59:17 <charolastra> and who buys porn with monero so he can doxx 100 guys per day?
11:00:05 <sech1> Monero --> Sumokoin --> Ryo IIRC
11:00:22 <shirley_huang[m]> Yeah well
11:00:35 <sech1> and his shitcoin has 25% (or probably more now) devtax
11:00:57 <shirley_huang[m]> Sure, Monero may have vulnerabilities but I don't think the team is as malicious or incompetent as this FireIce person makes it out to be
11:01:08 <shirley_huang[m]> I say this without bias, I just found this out
11:01:27 <shirley_huang[m]> But looking at his social media and motives I can already tell he's kind of sketchy himself.
11:01:32 <azy> theres no evidence his findings are correct, he's pointing to someone else's service to do the porn correlation
11:01:59 <shirley_huang[m]> The porn correlation thing sounds like bullshit
11:01:59 <sech1> there's evidence his IP addresses are not always correct: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jv4liy/transaction_intercepted_by_so_called_tracking/
11:02:44 <shirley_huang[m]> It's like assuming that the monero network or wallet is caching my browsing habits
11:03:14 <shirley_huang[m]> I mean, I checked my own IP, it's not there.. Kek
11:03:33 <sech1> Exaggerating and straight up lying to harm Monero is what he's been doing for years now
11:04:38 <shirley_huang[m]> Apparently he also accused the monero subreddit of being racist and neo-nazi
11:04:50 <shirley_huang[m]> Like if you're that kind of person how can I expect you to argue in good faith
11:05:44 <shirley_huang[m]> https://twitter.com/fireice_uk/status/1159908175384109056
11:06:08 * shirley_huang[m] uploaded an image: image.png (70KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/uCgdmbOCyCVAiMXmkBdkrnfh/image.png >
11:06:40 <shirley_huang[m]> even wownero makes fun of them
11:07:31 <shirley_huang[m]> RYO: We don't need to promote ourselves because we feel that people who truly care about privacy will find us eventually, instead we fund people to attack and harass monero communities
11:07:35 <shirley_huang[m]> What cows
11:08:12 <shirley_huang[m]>  * https://ryo-currency.com/
11:08:12 <shirley_huang[m]> RYO: We don't need to promote ourselves because we feel that people who truly care about privacy will find us eventually, instead we fund people to attack and harass monero communities
11:09:33 <shirley_huang[m]>  * https://ryo-currency.com/
11:09:33 <shirley_huang[m]> RYO: We don't use funds to promote ourselves because we feel that people who truly care about privacy will find us eventually, instead we fund people to attack and harass monero communities
11:10:17 <shirley_huang[m]> also shit, apologize for my neko blocking some of the text in the screenshot, lmao
11:45:54 <hmmp> anyone else getting spam to private about url monero-badcaca dot net (user zfwytvlvvpc)? "You can now check how many paedophiles thought Monero is private. 100 new IP addresses, transaction details and user's porn preferences published every day. Check if your transaction is on it today."
11:46:15 <artefact> how is this guy not banned from freenode yet
11:46:30 <artefact> we had some spam about that yesterday in the channel
11:47:23 <shirley_huang[m]> lol yeah I was talkin about it just now
11:47:38 <asymptotically> artefact: he keeps making new accounts
11:48:44 <artefact> i wonder if there's a user mode for blocking notices/privmsgs from tor accounts
11:48:45 <dEBRUYNE> <shirley_huang[m]> https://twitter.com/fireice_uk/status/1159908175384109056 <= He got banned from r/monero because he offered funds to people to cause disruption
11:48:53 <dEBRUYNE> needmoney90 has a screenshot somewhere
11:49:22 <manifest> hmmp: yes :D
11:49:44 <dEBRUYNE> artefact: You can block non-registered accounts
11:50:00 <asymptotically> you can set +R on yourself, but they are all registered :(
11:50:28 <artefact> yes that's fairly useless against that dEBRUYNE :(
11:50:50 <azy> his shitcoin is vulnerable to the same attack, no?
11:51:12 <azy> im not sure of his point, other than to seed fud
11:51:12 <asymptotically> azy: yes, it's just monero but with a devtax and different pow
11:51:22 <asymptotically> and no users to hide among :P
11:51:59 <artefact> and the obvious monetary benefits means fud/shilling is inevitable
11:53:06 <dEBRUYNE> Ah, didn't know they were registered
11:53:30 <shirley_huang[m]> what is a devtax
11:53:32 <shirley_huang[m]> lol
12:00:38 <rbrunner> I doubt it's still possible to reliably collect that dev tax, with a daily volume of the coin around USD 200, according to CMC
12:01:30 <rbrunner> And yes, like hmmp I had that splendid message thrown at me personally here today for the first time
12:04:38 <ErCiccione> Nothing says "I'm just a researcher not a malicious actor" more than spamming freenode rooms and users -_-
12:05:47 <azy> juding by how many likes his tweets get, he should be ignored
12:06:42 <ErCiccione> I agree about not giving him a stage, but bullshit should be always called out.
12:06:46 <artefact> never mind the obvious confict of interest
12:07:33 <Inge-> shirley_huang[m]: dev tax is where some of the coinbase reward in a transaction does not go the miner, but to some other adress controlled by the devs or an org behind the coin - like the BCH fork just recently was due to introduction of a tax where some % of the block reward goes to others than miners.
12:11:24 <shirley_huang[m]> oh wow
12:11:25 <shirley_huang[m]> does monero have one?
12:11:41 <rotten> no.
12:11:48 <shirley_huang[m]> kek
12:12:30 <shirley_huang[m]> imagine being forced to pay taxes even on crypto
12:12:37 <artefact> it's somewhat more honest than huge premine, at least
12:13:26 <shirley_huang[m]> 25%+ tax is still pretty big
12:13:42 <asymptotically> it's not when your coin is worthless :p
12:14:04 <artefact> let them believe in their "get rich quick" scheme. it's fairly harmless
12:14:14 <artefact> and filters out idiots naturally
12:15:38 <jess> hmmp, manifest: pm spam?
12:16:05 <jess> both from zfwytvlvvpc?
12:16:11 <gingeropolous> rehrar, ping
12:16:22 <shirley_huang[m]> yeah
12:16:36 <jess> shirley_huang[m]: you too?
12:16:42 <shirley_huang[m]> Yeah
12:18:01 <jess> could you PM me a copy of the spam
12:18:37 <shirley_huang[m]> ok
12:21:13 <manifest> i aint gotten no PMs yet, only saw it spammed on -markets
12:22:04 <shirley_huang[m]> jess: well i invited you
12:22:12 <jess> invited me to what
12:22:18 <jess> the matrix bridge is very strange
12:22:21 <shirley_huang[m]> pm
12:22:27 <jess> ya i didnt see anything
12:22:27 <shirley_huang[m]> wtf??
12:22:30 <shirley_huang[m]> you didn't get it?
12:46:09 <jess> I (and other freenode staff) will welcome further reports of PM spam
12:52:49 <selsta> jess: any other idea what we can do against Tor spam apart from setting all channels to +m?
12:53:17 <jess> i did make a recommendation about that to someone today
12:53:46 <selsta> okay, might have missed that
12:58:33 <binaryFate> selsta these things are best discussed in private
12:58:50 <selsta> sure
13:07:57 <KiloLima> What's xmr badcara?
13:10:10 <moneromooo> Someone is running lots of nodes to sybil the network.
13:10:25 <moneromooo> And of course claims the sky is falling etc.
13:13:41 * ghost_matrix[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MoAvlswCowxJXTPGTFuyBcoO/message.txt >
13:14:54 <ghost_matrix[m]> Im assuming everyone is getting spamed?
13:15:05 <selsta> when did you get the spam?
13:15:30 <ghost_matrix[m]> About 5-10 mins ago
13:15:37 <ghost_matrix[m]> Roughly
13:15:38 <jess> network staff are looking in to it btw
13:16:11 <selsta> ty
13:16:23 <ghost_matrix[m]> I still don't understand the motive behind the FUD page though lol
13:16:49 <dEBRUYNE> jess: Thanks
13:16:57 <dEBRUYNE> fwiw, they also spam the channels if/once +m is removed
13:17:11 <jess> yeah i've seen that
13:17:11 <jess> very sad
13:17:52 <moneromooo> AFAICT it's to scare people into using his own fork, which is basically the same, but I suppose he hopes nobody will notice.
13:17:55 <dEBRUYNE> Having +m is not ideal, as it reduces participation (people often come in here simply to ask questions)
13:18:44 <moneromooo> Also seems to have a fixation on pedos and nazis so I'm not sure we should be expecting a motive really.
13:19:04 <KiloLima> hmm
13:19:10 <KiloLima> can't tell if i know this fireice guy
13:19:12 <Criispin> the sad part about badcaca is that ppl read about it and think it is a monero only problem...
13:20:12 <ghost_matrix[m]> Yeah the page is just damn weird and ill informed. Sounds mad as hell lol.
13:20:20 <moneromooo> Parts of it are made worse by using dandelion - which trades DoS resistance vs privacy.
13:20:44 <moneromooo> Few currencues have that. So in that sense it affects monero more. In other senses, less.
13:22:02 <moneromooo> I think it's also preying on people's expectation from the bitcoin world that a txid gives access to everything, where with monero it is not the case.
13:22:36 <rbrunner> People reported today on Reddit finding their tx on that caca website, but with a wrong IP. Dandelion++ (still) doing its job, at least in part :)
13:23:10 <Criispin> yep thats what i am trying to tell ppl now that even if you could in some way link txid <-> ip (which is really unrealistic) you are not transparent
13:23:30 <ghost_matrix[m]> I don't understand why this person is fear mongering.
13:23:30 <ghost_matrix[m]> There is an obvious motive judging by the tone in there writing.
13:23:47 <ghost_matrix[m]> Its odd
13:23:59 <KiloLima> if the guy
13:24:02 <KiloLima> is who i think it is
13:24:20 <KiloLima> he's a pretty smart guy and could be elluding to something that cannot be mentioned openly
13:24:30 <binaryFate> stop giving it attention
13:24:31 <moneromooo> then you'll stay away. This is what we need privacy, to avoid nutjobs like this finding us in real life and stalkng us.
13:24:32 <KiloLima> I dunno why the intense focous
13:24:34 <KiloLima> tho
13:27:00 <rbrunner> In other (depressing) news, that fake Android MyMonero app is back in the Play Store for about the 7th time. Excellent job, Google.
13:44:16 <jonathancross> <selsta "when did you get the spam?"> I also just got spammed. Sorry, didn't note the ransome username.
13:44:39 <jonathancross> *random... Not "ransome".
13:44:50 <selsta> ok freenode stuff is looking into it
13:44:55 <selsta> staff
14:19:04 <bfbfbfff> hello
14:20:36 <Lyza> yo
14:53:42 <a_cow> Definitely mooo.
14:55:11 * a_cow waves mooodbye
14:55:18 <rbrunner> binaryfate: Maybe not working?
14:55:38 <binaryFate> no it's cool, we're just having fun
14:55:43 <a_cow> Or maybe a cow is not in the moood
14:55:52 <rbrunner> Lol
16:19:22 <rotten> https://twitter.com/SovereignStArt/status/1328367370730135555
23:03:25 <marxS> hello
23:03:58 <marxS> I am trying to use monerujo but I keep getting error "Node connection failed! Check username/password"
23:04:10 <marxS> I am wondering if it is due to different versions (maybe related to hard fork/upgrades)
23:04:29 <marxS> all of the nodes are public (I have tried 10+), so the username/password part of the error message is erroneous
23:05:45 <dEBRUYNE> Can you try using node.xmr.to with port 18081?
23:07:57 <marxS> returns "Node invalid"
23:07:57 <marxS> lol
23:08:16 <marxS> for ping tests with the node, I get one of ~65ms and the rest return CONNECTION ERROR
23:09:33 <dEBRUYNE> What kind of connection are you on?
23:09:35 <marxS> I can't even retrieve my private key, monerujo seems to require connection to a node to do so
23:09:43 <marxS> and I am on home Wi-Fi
23:10:01 <marxS> I will try with mobile data
23:10:03 <dEBRUYNE> Can you check whether mobile data makes a difference?
23:11:11 <marxS> same error of Node Connection Failed
23:11:12 <marxS> :(
23:11:43 <marxS> sucks how I can't even find a way to retrieve my private keyl ol
23:11:56 <asymptotically> marxS: do you have your seed words written down?
23:12:13 <marxS> asymptotically no, but I have the wallet on the app and the accompanying password
23:12:22 <marxS> that should be sufficient to display seed and private key
23:12:34 <marxS> but the app seems to force connection to a node to do so
23:15:03 <marxS> very strange, I created a new wallet in the app and it connects fine to the public nodes, so not really sure where the issue lies
23:15:50 <marxS> maybe my original wallet has been corrupted or something
23:18:49 <marxS> kind of sucks, but not the end of the world
23:19:43 <binaryFate> marxS check if you can update monerujo, sounds like you might have a wrong versino
23:19:59 <marxS> binaryFate there's no update available in google play store
23:20:05 <marxS> and I'm not aware of any apks floating around
23:20:24 <marxS> strange how everything works fine when creating a new wallet, but original wallet bugs out
23:21:28 <binaryFate> I'm sure you tried to close app and reopen again? Just to make sure you run latest one
23:21:52 <marxS> yeah
23:21:56 <marxS> and have restarted phone, etc
23:22:00 <binaryFate> check on their subreddit maybe
23:22:22 <marxS> do you know any way to extract private key/seed so I can restore from fresh?
23:22:27 <marxS> and will check subreddit, thanks
23:22:59 <binaryFate> you can extract from somewhere in the app, I don't know/remember the details personally
23:23:55 <marxS> yeah, the only options in the app require connecting to a node though
23:24:02 <marxS> which is the issue here lol
23:24:14 <marxS> I will dig around in phone files and see what I can find
23:30:48 <marxS> any monerujo devs in here?
23:34:25 <marxS> I have my .keys file, not sure if there is much I can do with that?
23:34:38 <marxS> and an .unportable file
23:36:26 <nioc> wheever you make a wallet write down the mnemonic seed and put it somewhere safe,  then write it down again and put it in a different safe location
23:36:34 <nioc> then do that a third time
23:36:41 <marxS> yeah
23:37:12 <marxS> that was my error, but in my defense I am still in possession of the wallet + the wallet password
23:37:19 <marxS> just the buggy app isn't letting me do anything with it
23:37:36 <asymptotically> be careful, monerujo does something silly with the key file that makes backups useless
23:37:43 <asymptotically> crazypass
23:37:47 <marxS> by requiring the master passowrd?
23:38:26 <marxS> even to view the crazypass you need to connect to a node lol
23:38:37 <marxS> I don't understand why, should all be stored (or derived) locally
23:38:45 <lza_menace> more monero nodes are here if you need more endpoints: https://monero.fail
23:40:25 <lza_menace> that's about all the help I can be :P
23:40:43 <marxS> yeah , I think I'll give up for a while and hope the next update fixes it
23:40:46 <marxS> thanks for the help :)
23:42:53 <lza_menace> save that seed as soon as you can though, marxS!