00:26:58 * algo_max[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XhvvTLyBQkRGXzCXghBtfCbU/message.txt > 00:30:37 algo_max[m]: are you mining? 05:41:37 are there people here who would exchange crypto for monero fee free? 06:04:18 Hello? 06:05:48 Im new to monero and struggling to set up a wallet, if anyone could help me I'd really appreciate it 06:07:34 https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/blob/master/monero-GUI-guide.md 06:07:58 Cheers however I've read and tried all the guides 06:08:35 Im on tails and had CLI working however the other week it failed to connect to daemon 06:10:02 So I downloaded GUI and went with the simple option as my tails USB is not big enough to store the whole blockchain and Im struggling to understand how a lot of this works 06:11:24 if you can't download the blockchain you can connect the gui wallet to a trusted node 06:12:32 Thanks for helping dude. My problem is: Error: Couldn't connect to the daemon 06:13:47 Would changing nodes help with that? 06:13:57 yes https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/remote_node_gui.html 06:14:02 I'll go to advanced now and see what I can do . . 06:17:21 Btw this is the first time I've ever used an irc thing. 06:17:58 Interesting stuff there's lots of chat rooms huh 06:23:38 So I will eventually need to set up my own local node. How big of ausb would you recommend I need? 06:24:37 I've tried about ten remote nodes so far and each time it comes up as 'network status disconnected' 06:51:58 can someone explain how monero hides transaction sizes? 08:58:55 uh what? 08:59:11 do you mean transaction amounts? 08:59:39 too late 09:04:34 Way too late Inge- 09:19:34 Mochi101: we must be like Ents to these impatient whippersnappers. 09:19:46 Yeap! 13:33:02 here's a dumb noob question: wtf even is the target height? the name sort of implies what it is, but how does the node determine what it is, how is it actually used? 13:53:44 Hello clever people. I have a question. Just downloaded the new QUI Wallet upgrade (0.17.1.4.) opened my wallet and now screen is white and no longer black. Am i on the right track? The manual that came with it said that I had to manually download the blockchain, but I have it already from previous wallet install. So when I open my wallet it connects to Daemon and is busy sincronizing. Once this is done, is my 13:53:44 blockchain also updated? 13:55:27 wolfkeeper[m], the GUI wallet? 13:55:49 Sorry, yes. 13:56:18 and yeah... it'll be updated 13:56:38 Should be around 2,231,132 13:56:46 (block height) 13:58:51 Awesome thanks. Another question please if i may.....I've bought XMR from a merchant and want to send to my wallet now, but not sure of the process... I've read the MASTERING MONERO book, read all the tutorials on the monero website, but still not understanding. So scared i'm going to blunder and loose them... 13:59:36 wolfkeeper[m]: so long as your seed is written down on paper, don't worry about losing them :) 14:00:06 that does not make me feel better... 14:00:08 wolfkeeper[m], the merchant should just require your wallet address 14:00:46 So the QR code or the long number/ letter thingie? 14:01:10 the long number/letter thingy 14:01:47 The qr code is just a representation of that long number/letter thingy though 14:02:23 Oh, thank you, and I will then have to create a sub-address then right? on Receiving? How do I view the number/letter thingy? 14:03:25 You only have to create a sub-address if you want to... it's not required... but it does help keep your privacy. 14:04:05 on Receiving? How do I view the number/letter thingy? 14:05:15 Press the icon on the right to copy to clipboard 14:06:58 wolfkeeper[m], https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/monero-GUI-guide/releases/download/v1.8/monero-gui-wallet-guide.pdf 14:07:41 You should be able to just hit the + icon and it will create a new sub address for you... then clock the clipboard icon beside the address that you want to copy and it will be copied to your clipboard 14:07:41 Done that, how do I view the clipboard? 14:08:12 control-v 14:08:16 to paste it 14:08:22 to anywhere... 14:10:29 Awesome.... thanks for that! Thanks for link to the guide. 14:11:33 no problem 14:13:08 thanks 14:15:05 CLI stands for Command Line Interface... you basically have a text based interface to the wallet... It might be more than what you're ready for at this time wolfkeeper[m]. (Just saying that based on your asking about how to view what's on your clipboard). 14:17:21 So would I need to go to CLI to view clipboard, or do you mean I can also view it there....? maybe more than I can wrap my head around for now... 14:18:50 Last question If i may, does the XMR value change in wallet as it changes on trading platform? or does it remain at what ever it was valued at at time of purchase? 14:19:23 wolfkeeper[m], it just shows you in XMR. 1 XMR equals 1 XMR 14:19:40 You have to keep track of that other stuff if you want to. 14:19:51 Ok, thanks 15:19:03 https://monero-badcaca.net/ 15:19:03 You can now check how many paedophiles thought Monero is private. 100 new IP addresses, 15:19:03 transaction details and user's porn preferences published every day. Check if your transaction is on it today. 15:19:04 15:21:58 kek 15:22:11 who gave this idiot +v 15:22:23 Idk but it should be removed 🙃 15:22:38 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jrh7mv/psa_informational_thread_on_the_recently_observed/ 15:22:40 moderation was turned off, everyone can speak 15:22:46 tl;dr monero got sybil attacked by an incompetent sensationalist actor that overclaims and underdelivers. 15:22:52 From charuto^ 15:23:04 For anyone in this channel reading those claims and taking them at face value. 15:23:55 hyc: forgot that finally got changed 15:24:07 also important to note I think that the sybil attack was rendered much more effective by a bug that has since been fixed 15:24:55 The interruption to users, yes, the privacy leakage, not that I’m aware of. 15:26:00 it's mentioned in the PSA. there was a bug in cidr filtering that let the attacker get more nodes into people's outgoing connections than they otherwise would have been 15:26:29 i2p-zero should be bundled and enabled by default imho. just to shup conspirationist fud like that 15:27:04 the privacy leakage was I think made possible at least in part by the fact that a lot of nodes were totally eclipsed, so that 100% of their peers belonged to the attacker. because if you ahven't eclipsed the node, my understanding is that dandelion++ prevents you from making any certain associations about IP address 15:27:25 100%, and it needs to be enabled by a simple tick box in the GUI preferably 15:30:31 but first #6631 needs to be fixed if we don't want to break everything 15:34:08 true :( 15:43:01 hi! I am using the GUI wallet and just now, an Address of mine (to which I just had transfered funds from an exchange) disappeared from it. Is there a way to get the address back? 15:43:39 https://monero-badcaca.net/ 15:43:40 You can now check how many paedophiles thought Monero is private. 100 new IP addresses, 15:43:40 transaction details and user's porn preferences published every day. Check if your transaction is on it today. 15:43:42 15:44:05 same way you made it the first time! the wallets are deterministic, so each account / address you generate will always be the same as long as the wallet uses the same seed 15:44:52 I've tried creating new accounts but none of the newly created accounts is the address that I previously had shown up there, to which I sent my funds. 15:45:54 ah nevermind 15:46:01 I confused accounts with addresses 15:46:11 I switched the account, no wonder I can't see the address there 15:46:13 thanks for the help 15:46:15 easily done, glad u got it :) 18:36:22 Hi, when creating a sub address to receive XMR, how many number/ letters must be in the address? I copied to clipboard and pasted, but get uneven number? 18:37:15 95 chars if I recall correctly 18:37:56 got 95. thanks. 18:39:30 I know it can take quite long for the blockchain to download for GUI wallet (bootstrap), but mine is showing 2 then 1, then again 2 blocks remaining. Is this normal? 18:40:56 Can you type status in the log tab and post the output here? 18:41:45 sure 18:42:02 There's a known troll running many nodes that claim to have a couple more blocks, but never sends them. 18:43:16 cant copy and paste it will type over then.... 18:50:20 [15/11/2020 20:41] 2020/11/15 18:41:53.226 I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.3 release) Height: 2231307/2231309 (99.9%)on mainnet, bootstrapping from 84.42.143.229:18081, local height: 186748 (8.4%), not mining, net hash 1.52GH/s ,v14,0 (out) + 0 (in) connections 18:51:37 Do you want to use a local node or a remote node? 18:51:50 Seems like the node you are connected to is affected by -> There's a known troll running many nodes that claim to have a couple more blocks, but never sends them. 18:54:14 Not sure, on on GUI wallet with Bootstrap and have previously downloaded the blockchain. So would that be local node then? Local is safer isnt it? Can I do remote node? 18:54:18 So that's it. +m is not in chanserv's flag list... 18:56:45 ...not nice... 18:57:26 Local is safer and generally recommended 18:57:37 However, it seems like your GUI has only partly synced the local node 18:57:40 Is your default drive an SSD? 18:58:24 I don't know? how do I check? Just want to send my coins home man.... 19:10:01 drive is HDD 19:12:31 Do I try again in the morning? Close wallet and call it a day? 19:12:42 you might want to look into using a remote node from xmr.to for example if you are only looking to do a single transaction; bpwcgwyxxs] has joined #monero-markets 19:12:50 sheiiiit fucked up my paste 19:12:55 https://community.xmr.to/nodes.html there ya go 19:15:32 Thanks. Is it very complicated? still new to this and baby is waking up soon for a feed....!!! 19:16:40 i haven't used the GUI wallet in a while but there should be a field in the options where you put the address/ip of the mainnet node mentioned there 19:16:45 wolfkeeper[m]: Do you know how to switch to advanced mode? 19:16:54 Then you can specify node.xmr.to with port 18081 as bootstrap node 19:16:56 Instead of the current one 21:01:37 Do you guys think quantum computing will break encryption and end cryptocurrencies? 21:03:29 some, and some 21:03:48 we have post-quantum cryptography, symmetric and asymmetric, afaik 21:04:26 What about 10 years from now you think they will crack aes and rsa? 21:04:36 10 years? not a chance, no 21:05:57 I have a strong feeling there will be technological advancents in the NSA and other governments in the near future that we didn't think was possible 21:07:14 Google already plans on building more quantum computing and they have so much people using their garbage and data being sent back to their ai. China is probably going to have more than them in 10 years to 21:08:29 This is just the beginning. Imagine when every device is smart iot and ai and quantum based. They're going to have a world much worse than 1984 ever imagined 21:11:36 the book 1984 only proves that you can't accurately predict what form the future will take 21:11:49 even if it gets some of the general direction correct 21:12:59 i don't think you understood my first message. we have quantum-resistant cryptographic primitives *today* 21:13:03 Have you ever heard of the fabians at the London school of economics? 21:13:34 Yea I hope so I don't know much about cryptography 21:13:34 but quantum-resistant crypto is impractical to use on any current computing systems and networks 21:13:59 and that fact will always be true 21:15:09 it's an arbitrage between impractical and unsafe 21:15:29 i.e, if a quantum computer can calculate RSA 10M x faster than a classical computer, you need the algorithm to be 10M x harder to compute 21:15:49 i don't think that's how it works? but i'm not an expert 21:16:11 afaik a quantum computer can solve some exponential-time problems in polynomial-time 21:16:15 and we are going to be using classical computer designs for a long long time, because the applicable problems for quantum computing are extremly few and far between 21:16:30 it's not just a typical computer that's 10M times faster 21:16:48 yes, but the point remains 21:18:45 Did you hear that South Korea banned monero and zcash 21:19:06 that's not what they did 21:19:36 What did they do 21:19:40 they banned centralized exchanges from offering them 21:19:50 i'm not sure your point stands, or i misunderstand- aes-256 is 2^128 (roughly) times harder to crack than aes-128, but certainly not 2^128 times more expensive to cipher/decipher 21:19:51 but they haven't banned individuals from owning or trading 21:22:06 artefact: that's only because the difference between 128 and 256 bit computations is no big deal on a contemporary CPU 21:22:22 quantum-resistant RSA uses 1 terabyte keys https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/05/post-quantum_rs.html 21:22:46 the entire notion is laughable, will be decades before anyone tries to use it on a classical computer 21:23:12 maybe that will bring back key signing parties ;-) 21:23:38 with everyone sharing pubkeys on external hard disks 21:23:52 lol 21:24:29 yeah, no. I ain't plugging a stranger's drive into any of my computers... 21:27:28 https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1240 maybe we've yet to find better algorithms 21:30:39 anyway i'm fairly optimistic. quantum computing will be the y2k of the 21st century 21:34:00 also note that these are all attacks on public-key crypto, not symmetric key crypto. a quantum computer has no particular advantage at cracking AES 21:34:03 Yes I don't like the way the world is heading either and this is here to stay 21:34:36 public key crypto is vulnerable precisely because it's based on simple math functions 21:34:51 I found my missing transaction by the way, full rescan with monerujo when connected on a different node. Thanks for the help! 21:35:17 AES is just based on a scrambling bits in a predefined sequence 23:06:58 in order to generate a cold storage wallet and preform the generation offline, I can curl this page https://moneroaddress.org/ , and open it with my browser e.g file:///path/to/page.html, would that be correct ? 23:08:10 g_ma10_: you could also clone the git repository (https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator.git) and check the signature 23:08:25 only if you inspect the javascript for any suspicious stuff 23:09:14 like, even if it's offline, the generator could generate private keys that the author knows 23:10:50 asymptotically: Thank you. there's another thing I'm wondering about wrt cold storage, if the keays are generated offline, and then funds are moved to it, how does the blockchain even know about it - as it was all done offline, is there some kind of validation in the blockchain that recognizes the key as valid, even if it was never seen by then ? 23:11:13 *keys are ... 23:12:04 the public parts of your key are in your wallet address, so if someone sends you coins they are leaving something on the blockchain that says something like "the person with the matching private key for this public key can spend these coins" 23:12:54 I see, and then one day you "show up with the proof", got it. 23:13:42 well, I guess I'll continue with my questions :) I piled up a few.. 23:16:41 I know I can connect the cli wallet to a remote daemon (that's not mine) with --daemon-host (risky, I know), or, I can run a monerod locally proxy monerod via tor and then connect my wallet through it. If I run monerod then at least some part (if pruining) must be downloaded. Is there a way to pass a similar "--daemon-host" to monerod itself ? this may quite counter productive, regardless - I could 23:16:42 not find an option in the docs. 23:17:56 you can use --bootstrap-daemon to tell it to use a remote node while it's busy syncing up 23:19:28 I see, thank you.