00:07:59 <boldsuck> Hi, I'm looking for a stagenet onion P2P address. add-peer =
00:08:08 <boldsuck> tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,10,disable_noise  # Send local txes through proxy: <network-type>,<socks-ip:port>[,max_connections][,disable_noise]
00:08:10 <boldsuck> anonymous-inbound=
00:08:55 <boldsuck> anonymous-inbound=cpnjzm2kxh2gwrzo63rf2iaq7ef4ksypcf3zmdv4jffb2qrbxht2u2yd.onion,127.0.0.1:38083,10 is my settig.
00:10:11 <boldsuck> RPC incomming from wallet works.
00:10:16 <boldsuck> # curl --socks5-hostname 127.0.0.1:9050--digest -X POST http://n452awi37fcjhxj64pox4rrtmyaambphhxlj7s5elwoqx7xfmefa4mqd.onion:38081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"get_info"}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'
00:12:15 <moneromooo> Does mainnet also work for what you want ? I have one but no stagenet one.
00:14:52 <boldsuck> I have mainnet too. just wanted to test stagenet first.
00:15:10 <boldsuck> Mainnet: anonymous-inbound=sqzrokz36lgkng2i2nlzgzns2ugcxqosflygsxbkybb4xn6gq3ouugqd.onion,127.0.0.1:18083,10
00:15:35 <boldsuck> curl --socks5-hostname 127.0.0.1:9050--digest -X POST http://6dsdenp6vjkvqzy4wzsnzn6wixkdzihx3khiumyzieauxuxslmcaeiad.onion:18081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"get_info"}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'
00:26:51 <boldsuck> a mainnet onion P2P address is of course great
03:14:09 <bigslim[m]> seriously tho who did the wallet translations for Pirate?
03:15:26 <bigslim[m]> create argh new wall't!
03:18:42 <bigslim[m]> curious though as to the reasonings release binaries were moved offline from Github to private server? Did Hillary join the Monero team or something?
03:20:35 <bigslim[m]> also FYI license file supplied with GUI has outdated Copywrite date
03:24:33 <viperperidot[m]> Is there a way to get the GUI to stop asking to download the latest version if you have already installed it?
03:26:08 <nioc> you have 0.17.1.0 ?
03:26:28 <nioc> not 0.17.0.1
03:27:17 <nioc> other than that I know nothing about the GUI :)
03:37:47 <bigslim[m]> 0.17.1.0-cb1f3ad (Qt 5.12.8) is latest gui
03:43:44 <bigslim[m]> slow/bad node maybe - 51.75.47.161:18080
03:44:03 <viperperidot[m]> Oh shit
03:44:20 <viperperidot[m]> I didn't know we went from 0.17.0.1 to 0.17.1.0
03:44:22 <viperperidot[m]> Thanks
03:44:42 <viperperidot[m]> Would I have missed the hard fork if I didn't notice that?
03:44:55 <viperperidot[m]> Or is it just 0.17 that matters?
03:46:25 <bigslim[m]> .17
03:47:25 <nioc> viperperidot[m]: yes .17 for the fork but 0.17.1.0 has important fixes in it
03:48:17 <bigslim[m]> moneromooo: I have a peerlist for you. Seems there are a TON of peers with 1/20 or 20/183 blocks maybe slowing me down on sync
03:49:29 <bigslim[m]> nm those look like checkpoint verifications
03:50:32 <viperperidot[m]> Ok I downloaded the latest version but now I am getting an error when trying to open a wallet with a ledger
03:50:37 <viperperidot[m]> Might go back to old version for now..
03:51:55 <bigslim[m]> it appears I am only DL at 70kb/s per the daemon output
03:53:59 <viperperidot[m]> Dammit now the previous version won't let me open my wallet either
03:54:40 <bigslim[m]> Aeon daemon is running 786kb/s in parallel on same setup.
03:55:02 <viperperidot[m]> nioc: Has anyone else had issues with ledger wallets on the latest version?
03:56:29 <nioc> viperperidot[m]: not sure, ledger did release an update on their side a day or 2 ago
03:58:06 <nioc> I used to have time categories for memory
03:58:10 <nioc> now I am just happy if I remember that something happened
03:58:10 <viperperidot[m]> Ok thanks ill look into tha
03:58:13 <viperperidot[m]> that*
04:02:07 <viperperidot[m]> <nioc "I used to have time categories f"> That worked thanks a bunch!
04:02:14 <viperperidot[m]> I need to remember to check that before asking anyone
04:02:53 <bigslim[m]> heh this is funny how the cli daemon mines at 7kh and xmrig mines at 6.1kh
04:02:53 <nioc> np, glad it worked :)
05:06:51 <manic5150> hey im having trouble with the miner can anyone help me please?
05:10:10 <Inge-> viperperidot[m]: alternatively, 0.17.0.x should work fine while you wait for ledger of it isn't out yet
05:30:21 <alexanarcho[m]> btw, whatever happened to snipa? is he not the lead maintainer now? not hearing a whole lot from him
05:30:33 <Snipa> You rang?
05:31:33 <Snipa> I slip in, merge code, then vanish again. :)  My day job keeps me fairly busy most of the time.  Unfortunate side effects of ending up in the position I did.
05:31:45 <alexanarcho[m]> oh there you are! :D
05:32:10 <alexanarcho[m]> alright cool, you can vanish again :D just wanted to confirm you are still around
05:32:36 <Snipa> Usually if I get pinged, I magically appaear if I'm awake.
05:49:46 <manic5150> why do i keep getting a error message whent trying to mine with the monero gui app?
05:50:07 <alexanarcho[m]> whats the error?
05:52:21 <manic5150> well i click the Start Mining button
05:52:41 <manic5150> then a window pops up and says
05:52:46 <manic5150> error starting mining
05:53:38 <alexanarcho[m]> is there an error code?
05:53:55 <alexanarcho[m]> are you fully synced with the node?
05:54:05 <alexanarcho[m]> are you using 17.1.0 as a wallet version?
05:54:07 <manic5150> yes im fully synced
05:54:15 <manic5150> no error code
05:54:25 <manic5150> yes useing newest version
05:56:09 <manic5150> anything it could be?
06:02:14 <alexanarcho[m]> mhm. i m not an expert when it comes to mining, have you tried turning it off and on again? 🙂
06:02:45 <manic5150> lol yeah tryed that
06:08:00 <Inge-> Most miners would use a dedicated mining program like xmrig
06:08:28 <manic5150> i have that just not sure if its runing correctly
06:09:48 <manic5150> also want to know why the monero miner gui isent working for me?
06:10:14 <Inge-> for general mining stuff, #monero-pools is good
06:10:22 <Inge-> But I guess most there won't be mining via GUI
06:12:06 <manic5150> why im asking everywhere
06:12:08 <manic5150> =D
06:12:30 <Inge-> if you are running the monerod in a separate window, you can start the mining from its console
06:14:12 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.758	I Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.0-release)
06:14:12 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.758	I Initializing cryptonote protocol...
06:14:12 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.759	I Cryptonote protocol initialized OK
06:14:12 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.759	I Initializing core...
06:14:12 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.759	I Loading blockchain from folder /home/manic5150/.bitmonero/lmdb ...
06:14:13 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.836	I Loading checkpoints
06:14:15 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.837	I Core initialized OK
06:14:17 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.837	I Initializing p2p server...
06:14:19 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.843	F Error starting server: Failed to bind IPv4 (set to required)
06:14:28 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.846	I Deinitializing core...
06:14:28 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.942	I Stopping cryptonote protocol...
06:14:28 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.943	I Cryptonote protocol stopped successfully
06:14:28 <manic5150> 2020-10-16 06:13:56.943	E Exception in main! Failed to initialize p2p server
06:14:44 <manic5150> i get this error when trying to run monerod
06:14:57 <manic5150> in cmd window on linux
06:15:05 <Inge-> I think *just* pasting the line with the error should be enough :P
06:16:11 <alexanarcho[m]> interesting, i get the same error when starting my monerod
06:16:15 <alexanarcho[m]> yesterday it was working fine
06:16:28 <Inge-> try some command-line arguments:  --rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0 --confirm-external-bind --restricted-rpc
06:18:13 <alexanarcho[m]> <Inge- "try some command-line arguments:"> yep, that does the trick for me
06:22:54 <manic5150> im getting cmd not found =(
06:23:08 <alexanarcho[m]> uh, what?
06:23:13 <alexanarcho[m]> maybe in the wrong directory?
06:23:17 <manic5150> ah
07:41:23 <algo_max[m]> My node stopped syncing a few hours ago.. could someone help me diagnose the problem before I restart it? This has happened several times and a restart always "fixed" it temporarily.. here's the output: https://paste.ofcode.org/35a6sArWPFn73YfXd8DtYfp Also internet connection works fine, computer's time is correct and both status and print_cn show connections..
07:44:48 <algo_max[m]>  * My node stopped syncing a few hours ago.. could someone help me diagnose the problem before I restart it? This has happened several times and a restart always "fixed" it temporarily.. here's the output: https://paste.ofcode.org/35a6sArWPFn73YfXd8DtYfp Also version is 0.17.1.0, internet connection works fine, computer's time is correct and both status and print_cn show connections..
07:58:20 <algo_max[m]> hmm I modifed out_peers from 8 to 16 and it started syncing again.. how come?
08:37:11 <selsta> algo_max[m]: troll peers that feed you with your own block heights to mess with the network / analyze it
09:01:48 <boldsuck> Has anyone run their Monero node over Tor? I'm looking for a Monero-node stagenet or mainnet onion P2P address. add-peer=
09:03:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> selsta: Do they seem to become a lot more common / numerous than a few months ago when that shit started, or does that only seem so? What do you think?
09:04:45 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> When they interferred with testing some new code of mine half a year ago or so sometimes it was quite difficult to catch one of those to debug what happens with them
09:23:23 <algo_max[m]> selsta: anything I can do about that? My node stops syncing like once every week... does increasing out_peers help so chances are higher that at least one node is real?
09:24:29 <selsta> algo_max[m]: increasing out_peers should help, yes
09:24:36 <selsta> you can also add known good priority nodes
09:25:01 <algo_max[m]> What would be a reasonable value for out-peers for a public node?
09:26:07 <selsta> I don’t know, I set mine to 64 on a server and works fine, 16, 32 should also be good.
09:26:48 <selsta> rbunner7: they do seem to be more common now, with multiple chainanalysis companies trying to break monero no wonder lol
09:26:57 <selsta> rbunner7 ^
09:27:03 <selsta> can’t type today lol
09:27:22 <algo_max[m]> I never understood why the default of out-peers is 8 (seems low), while in-peers is unlimited.. I'll give 64 a try and see if it becomes more stable.
09:28:11 <selsta> algo_max[m]: we are thinking about increasing it
09:28:21 <selsta> you can also start with e.g. --add-priority-node node.xmr.to:18080
09:28:33 <selsta> so that you always have one good known peer, though that should not be necessary
09:30:31 <selsta> the other possibility is that there is a bug with syncing in v0.17.1.0 but I doubt that as no code in that region was touched
09:30:50 <selsta> and we have evidence of troll peers
09:30:51 <algo_max[m]> I had the same problem with 0.16
09:31:00 <algo_max[m]> So its been a while..
09:31:26 <selsta> only happened once to me yet
09:31:44 <algo_max[m]> Once every week here since I run this node :/
09:32:04 <selsta> you can also try deleting p2pstate.bin to get completely fresh peers
09:32:07 <algo_max[m]> But I'll try the priority node and out-peers 64 and see how it goes
09:32:26 <algo_max[m]> Will report back next week if it happens again :)
09:35:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> selsta: Alright. I do wonder what "analysis powers" you win if you interfere with other daemons' syncing process.
09:36:07 <algo_max[m]> <selsta "you can also start with e.g. --a"> it should be port 18081, shouldn't it?
09:36:18 <algo_max[m]> RPC
09:36:30 <selsta> 18080 is p2p port
09:36:38 <selsta> you want p2p
09:36:54 <selsta> rpc is for wallet
09:36:57 <algo_max[m]> Are you sure? Because in the docs they have an example with 18081: https://monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference/
09:37:18 <algo_max[m]> Example:
09:37:18 <algo_max[m]> ./monerod --add-priority-node=178.128.192.138:18081
09:50:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Those examples look really strange. Could be a typo. 18080 is definitely the default port for Monero mainnet p2p traffic.
09:57:01 <selsta> most likely error in the docs, I am sure it is 18080
09:59:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h#L209
09:59:52 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Doesn't get any clearer than that :)
10:24:58 <algo_max[m]> selsta:
10:25:37 <algo_max[m]> selsta: alright, node restarted with out-peers 64 and the prio node.. its ip also shows up in print_cn.. looks good, I'll see how it goes the next few days
10:26:13 <selsta> ok, should be good now
11:28:17 <moneromooo> algo_max[m]: set_log 1, it will tell you more.
11:56:37 <algo_max[m]> moneromooo: ill try next time.. i didn't see anything useful with set_log 1, so i played around with set_log +/-<xxx>, screwed up the log output and didn't know how to reset it :/ better luck next time
11:57:22 <moneromooo> "set_log 0" resets to default.
12:11:42 <algo_max[m]> 😂 good to know
12:11:49 <algo_max[m]> thanks
12:54:39 <horsepatat> hello, I failed to prune that bloody lmdb after 3 days of running it
12:54:57 <horsepatat> can I just purge it and run monerod with --prune-blockchian and it synced it from scratch?
12:55:18 <horsepatat> and it synces the pruned version from scratch
12:55:20 <moneromooo> Yes.
12:55:37 <horsepatat> kk
12:55:44 <moneromooo> What failed ?
12:55:58 <moneromooo> (in more detail)
12:55:59 <horsepatat> took 3 or more days and still nowhere near finishing pruning
12:56:22 <moneromooo> Ah. Probably not failed then, but yes, it's slower than syncing. Weded in disk access I think.
12:56:28 <moneromooo> Wedged.
12:56:39 <horsepatat> yea and it reads from same disks it writes to, so I figured that's where the issue is
12:56:46 <moneromooo> Not sure why, it'd need looking at at some point.
12:56:57 <selsta> make sure to run v0.17.1.0 and you can also add --sync-pruned-blocks for faster sync (?)
12:57:17 <horsepatat> oh, new version already
12:57:40 <horsepatat> so it's --sync-pruned-blocks and not --prune-blockchain if I do it from scratch?
12:58:22 * horsepatat renames the original lmdb dir for backup
13:00:01 <selsta> both
13:00:41 <selsta> --pruned-blockchain and --sync-pruned-blocks for a bit faster sync
13:00:46 <selsta> if I understand it correctly
13:00:57 <selsta> you can also only do --prune-blockchain
13:01:08 <horsepatat> which I did and it took > 3 days and I give up
13:01:25 <horsepatat> I need disks periodically for DB tasks when I turn off all coin daemons, this is the time.
13:01:48 <horsepatat> will set fresh sync overnight
13:01:52 * horsepatat makes new monerod
13:03:58 <moneromooo> --prune-blockchain prunes on the fly (when from scratch), --sync-pruned-blocks only downloads pruned data, and is only valid when pruning.
13:04:28 <moneromooo> If you prune, --sync-pruned-blocks will speed up syncing if networking was your bottleneck.
13:05:06 <moneromooo> Well, if network download speed was. If it was not finding peers, you'll still be slow.
13:06:07 <horsepatat> okay
13:06:44 <moneromooo> --sync-pruned-blocks is not the default and is rather new, so do report whether it worked ^_^
13:11:16 <horsepatat> Monero 'Oxygen Orion' (v0.17.1.0-release)
13:11:18 <horsepatat> recompiled
13:13:11 <horsepatat> [Your node is 2209647 blocks (6.5 years) behind]
13:13:12 <horsepatat> oh boy
13:13:29 <selsta> monero launched 6.5 years ago :P
13:13:33 <selsta> not the sync time it will tage
13:13:58 <horsepatat> I am not in a hurry, can take 6 if it needs
16:02:01 <dixie__flatline[> Hi. Monerujo update on fdroid fails. It says, `Requested file was not found.`
16:02:06 <dixie__flatline[> Anyone else experiencing this?
16:06:50 <donkeydonkey> hi y'all. i am really diggin monero and would love to accept monero on my vegetable seed webStore. it seams like lots of the payment gateways are not functioning, so i am thinking bout integrating directly with the monero daemon. Any have experience with this?
16:07:43 <asymptotically> donkeydonkey: hi :) what software is your web store using? i think that SerHack's monero-integrations project is still working fine - and you get to plug it into your own daemon and wallet
16:09:08 <asymptotically> but talking to the wallet rpc yourself isn't too bad either. i think the docs might be slightly out of date, but you should just need "make_integrated_address" and "get_payments" - https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html
16:15:13 <moneromooo> Or you could use subaddresses insetad of integrated addresses. More modern.
16:18:19 <asymptotically> yeah i guess spending an extra 20 minutes to use get_transfers instead of get_payments would be worth it
16:41:35 <donkeydonkey> asymptotically: hi. its using custom software i wrote in Ruby on Rails
16:46:57 <donkeydonkey> so you would create a subaddress for each transaction
16:48:05 <moneromooo> Depends how your setup works.
16:48:14 <moneromooo> Easiest is to assign a subaddress per customer.
16:54:36 <fluffypony> per order you mean
16:55:27 <fluffypony> most shopping cart systems choke otherwise
16:57:59 <moneromooo> I didn't, I was imagining how I'd do it. I've only done tippero really so a pretty simple system.
16:58:31 <moneromooo> Tippero did not have to differentiate between orders from the same customer.
17:03:22 <azy> thats good for a balance, probably not for invoices
17:04:20 <monerouser1144> Hi all, are there any comments or concerns about the recent spike in hashrate (2miners is currently at 830MH/s) ?
17:25:55 <hyc> yes it's been noticed and discussed
17:26:01 <hyc> conerns, not really
17:32:44 <hyc> one discussion was here https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/ja5hm6/botnets_back_in_the_game_monero_difficulty_rising/g8smqt1/?context=8&depth=9
17:32:56 <hyc> same as last time, somebody abusing Azure
17:38:34 <monerouser1144> Thanks, I had already read that discussion. It seemed a little implausible to me (450.000 VMs)... I thought perhaps it had something to do with the recent contracts to trace Monero.
17:41:01 <hyc> increased mining wouldn't help trace anything
17:41:07 <hyc> it's entirely due to the price rise
17:42:35 <hyc> as noted here https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jauodk/monero_hashrate_goes_from_15_to_25_in_a_few_dayz/g8s3bqr/ we already know who it is
17:46:33 <monerouser1144> Thanks. LOL, I noticed that you too are using the "old" reddit UI, instead of the awful "new" one.
17:50:08 <hyc> yeah, got sick of the new one pretty quick
17:50:32 <ndorf> old reddit is best reddit
17:53:24 <kinghat[m]> i like the new reddit design better but the experience is fucking awful
17:54:15 <hyc> that's what happens when you target form over function
17:54:24 <hyc> "looks pretty!" "sucks to use!"
17:55:20 <hyc> should we have another hardfork contest? try to land a txn in the first new block on the new chain?
18:01:14 <asymptotically> the grand prize is being able to anonymously move money for a tiny fee :)
18:01:26 <asymptotically> runner up gets... the same thing
18:01:42 <kinghat[m]> if i open a few threads and scroll a couple pages of threads its basically unusable.
18:02:07 <hyc> asymptotically: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/5n13b6/monero_hardfork_countdown_contest/
18:02:15 <hyc> I guess I haven't done one in a while
18:05:37 <Mochi101> do it
18:06:18 <asymptotically> Mochi101 is in the pool op cabal, and he'll get all the top pools to hold back all other transactions and only mine his :(
18:06:26 <Mochi101> yeap
18:06:57 <hyc> lol
18:07:30 <Mochi101> A suspect has been shot dead after a knife attack in the outskirts of Paris. Anti-terrorism authorities have been called in to investigate the case.
18:07:45 <Mochi101> France: Police shoot suspect after reported decapitation near Paris
18:08:02 <Mochi101> "knife attack" or "beheading", please make up your mind...
18:08:24 <lza_menace> "hello police? i'd like to report a beheading"
18:10:35 <Mochi101> oh man
18:10:40 <Mochi101> wrong channel... sorry
18:10:42 <Mochi101> :D
18:11:10 <Mochi101> There was activity in here so I thought that I was somewhere else.
18:13:32 <azy> whered you think you were?
18:21:16 <hyc> ok, new contest online https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jcf6ds/monero_hardfork_countdown_contest/
18:21:50 <hyc> haven't seeded the wallet yet, but will send 0.1XMR to it as soon as my wallet finishes refreshing
18:27:42 <Mochi101> azy, I thought I was in #monero-pools
18:28:47 <Mochi101> hyc, nice
18:29:28 <Mochi101> cslag will reduce fees too?
18:29:40 <hyc> slightly yeah, since txs will be smaller
18:29:43 <Mochi101> clsag
18:30:08 <Mochi101> Poor miners... nothing to live for soon.
18:30:53 <hyc> wdy mean? rewards getting too small?
18:31:27 <Mochi101> rewards getting smaller... tx fees smaller
18:31:55 <Mochi101> With more tx fees the lower block reward isn't so bad
18:32:03 <Mochi101> Either that or we need way more usage.
18:32:30 <hyc> sure. and we're getting there, daily txs growing
18:33:07 <Mochi101> Maybe we should go back to pre-bulletproofs, just for the miners.
18:33:31 <hyc> the node operators would all collapse
18:34:24 <Mochi101> good old days of $0.50 per tx
18:35:26 <Mochi101> I'm not being serious though, I love Monero's low tx fees.
18:40:38 <lg4t10> that chanserv note about the scammer, has he actually succeeded in taking peoples money?
18:41:04 <hyc> dunno
18:46:43 <Mochi101> I think that note has been there for as long as I can remember.
18:46:59 <Mochi101> (so years)
18:54:43 <monerouser1144> 2miners at 925 MH/s is getting close to 50% ...
19:03:55 <sethsimmons> Atomic Swap implementation proposal has been fully funded 👏
19:04:30 <kayabaNerve> I just posted that in -community! :P
19:04:47 <sethsimmons> Some good timing ha
19:07:50 <boldsuck> @moneromooo your node with port: 28083 in the list. Is that mainnet or testnet? https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gtajkt/getting_i2p_and_tor_seed_nodes/
19:08:52 <moneromooo> mainnet
19:09:28 <boldsuck> OK. node online?
19:09:52 <moneromooo> Wait, it should be 18083.
19:10:09 <moneromooo> The onion address on the page that starts with moneromoos is not mine fwiw.
19:10:18 <moneromooo> Mine is... one minute...
19:10:45 <moneromooo> zbjkbsxc5munw3qusl7j2hpcmikhqocdf4pqhnhtpzw5nt5jrmofptid.onion:18083
19:10:47 <moneromooo> and it's up.
19:11:48 <Mochi101> I read that as "monero moose" rather than "moneromoo's"
19:12:04 <boldsuck> Thank you
19:12:07 <hyc> we have mooses?
19:12:13 <Mochi101> we do now
19:12:17 <moneromooo> Only in Townforge.
19:12:21 <Mochi101> lol
19:42:05 <gingeropolous> jesus those azure datacenters must be screaming like banshees right now
19:45:18 <monerouser1144> I don't know this is the right channel to ask, but I have a question about converting XMR to BTC over P2P or swap services (e.g. xmr.to): Is there a way to avoid "bad" (e.g. stolen, sanctiond etc) BTC ?
19:46:06 <gingeropolous> well, luckily xmr.to gets its bitcoin right off of a fine exchange
19:46:35 <gingeropolous> so, its got the exchange stamp of approval. I don't know which exchange it gets liquidity from these days, but most of them out there are AML KYC'd
19:47:06 <gingeropolous> but p2p? like bisq? naw, you'd have to trust the exchanger
19:54:13 <boldsuck> However, both traders first deposit a security on bisq
19:54:25 <locustlord> anyone else find the best way to buy monero is cash by mail?
19:55:00 <asymptotically> locustlord: you might be able to find someone in your country on localmonero.co for that
19:55:07 <locustlord> I have
19:55:14 <locustlord> that's why I'm saying it's the best way
19:55:26 <locustlord> KYC/AML is total crap
19:55:55 <locustlord> imagine you walk up to a CPA with last year's receipts for all the times you exchanged crypto
19:56:00 <locustlord> they would laugh in your face
19:59:01 <boldsuck> But KYC/AML is sometimes cheap. A few days ago 1XMR for 50 Eur @Binance limit buy order.
20:01:48 <boldsuck> user@tor-proxy:~$ /home/user/monero/monerod print_pl|grep '.onion'
20:01:50 <boldsuck> white      6e5891111eea7c15          3edzbklglka6mtx5nwgd4zuzmtems2botxcxay72hfbdntkrxumknoad.onion:18083:0 -     -     0    never
20:01:51 <boldsuck> white      4062a7f70ae515f8          m3bh2imdcpdlzpt6.onion:18083:0 -     -     0    never
20:01:53 <boldsuck> white      bb1d60e521686518          moneroxmrxw44lku6qniyarpwgznpcwml4drq7vb24ppatlcg4kmxpqd.onion:18080:0 -     -     0    never
20:01:54 <boldsuck> white      fda7561d28db7725          monerozf6koypqrt.onion:18080:0 -     -     0    never
20:01:56 <boldsuck> white      499045d8405dcf12          zbjkbsxc5munw3qusl7j2hpcmikhqocdf4pqhnhtpzw5nt5jrmofptid.onion:18083:0 -     -     0    never
20:02:19 <boldsuck> Hmm, whitelisted but not linked. I think an 'onion' transaction has to come in first. I hope someone will post a stagenet node on reddit so I can test it
20:08:05 <boldsuck> Have add-peer for all onion. Or one of them has to be a seed-node?
20:17:10 <bigslim[m]> Fork in 3.7hrs
20:26:12 <viperperidot[m]> Anyone here use xmr.to?
20:26:28 <viperperidot[m]> I keep getting the message: Is the amount chosen maybe too high or too low?
20:26:33 <viperperidot[m]> But it is within the range they allow..
20:29:40 <viperperidot[m]> Does it work for segwit addresses?
20:30:46 <sech1> hyc first block with CLSAG transaction will be 2,210,000 not 2,210,001
20:32:06 <Inge-> everyone will be staring ac xmrchain, waiting to see 1.74kb become a smaller number...
20:32:09 <Inge-> at*
20:35:24 <sethsimmons> <viperperidot[m] "I keep getting the message: Is t"> I think I’ve heard people have that issue if they used too many decimal places in the amounts? But not sure
20:38:03 <binaryFate> viperperidot[m]: the amount is probably invalid because you have too many decimal digits. BTC amounts can only have 8 digits after the ".", and XMR amount only 12
20:42:09 <viperperidot[m]> Hmm I was using 12 digits for the xmr amount
20:42:26 <asymptotically> binaryFate: woah, love the network map and the timeline
20:42:34 <viperperidot[m]> Are there only certain bitcoin addresses they accept?
20:42:48 <viperperidot[m]> If someone is not a 'merchant' will it still work
20:44:56 <viperperidot[m]> Hold let me double check the digit amount
20:47:23 <binaryFate> asymptotically: it's far from perfect, certainly does not crawl all nodes (maybe 50-75% only) but gives a good idea of proportion of how many people have updated
21:11:50 <hundehausen[m]> How does the network upgrade work for the stagenet?
21:12:10 <sethsimmons> IIRC stagenet already forked a while ago
21:12:17 <sethsimmons> For testing
21:12:19 <sethsimmons> But I could be wrong
21:13:34 <selsta> yes
21:14:33 <hundehausen[m]> and did the testnet have "hard forks" as well? I heard the testnet has the latest features activated for testing.
21:14:44 <hundehausen[m]>  * and does the testnet have "hard forks" as well? I heard the testnet has the latest features activated for testing.
21:16:25 <selsta> yes, all networks have to fork and update
21:16:32 <selsta> but it did a while ago already
21:16:55 <hundehausen[m]> thanks guys, good to know
21:17:30 <binaryFate> testnet sometimes goes wild to test stuff in advance, and it might be unstable or you might need the latest master or generally to follow latest developments. Stagenet casually forks usually 2 weeks before mainnet but otherwise is the same and does not require to follow closely.
21:18:29 <binaryFate> testnet = test cool tech
21:18:47 <binaryFate> stagenet = same as mainnet but worthless
21:19:00 <moneromooo> :D
21:20:37 <hundehausen[m]> For developers who build apps around monero the stagenet is very important. It is like a copy of the mainnet but with worthless coins so we can do lots of testing. I guess for TipXMR we have already done 2000 transactions.
21:21:33 <binaryFate> yes testnet is good for protocol testing and stagenet app testing
21:28:18 <ndorf> wait, stagenet coins are worthless?! shit.
21:28:24 <ndorf> the lambo dealer is not going to be happy to hear that
21:34:54 <viperperidot[m]> sethsimmons: & binaryFate thanks guys I doubled checked the digits and the transaction went through 👍️
21:50:19 <donkeydonkey> @fluffypony so i could do a subaddress per order. with my server connected via rpc to the daemon which would be waiting on that subaddress to be funded then i could mark my order paid for?
22:02:05 <hyc> sech1: well, the pevious contests all used block N+1 too, so I decided to stay consistent
22:02:36 <hyc> and this avoids any ambiguity
22:05:58 <hyc> also, come to think of it, the ambiguity is because block# and height are not the same
22:27:17 <copenhagen_bram[> Can Monero GUI auto update on Linux, when it's run from the extracted tarball?
22:28:30 <selsta> Should work, yes.
22:50:04 <copenhagen_bram[> Does the Monero AppImage included in the tarball work on its own, or does it require files included with the tarball to work?
22:50:50 <selsta> it is not a real appimage
22:50:57 <dsc_> fake appimage!
22:51:11 <selsta> it requires the other files, it is only used to allow starting from file explorer on tails / ubuntu
22:51:38 <copenhagen_bram[> oof
22:52:10 <copenhagen_bram[> i vote to throw that impostor AppImage out the airlock!
22:52:24 <selsta> monero-wallet-gui is statically compiled so only it is required theoretically, and monerod if you want to run daemon
22:52:30 <copenhagen_bram[> monero-wallet-gui.AppImage was An Impostor
22:55:35 <boldsuck> @hundehausen Do you have an onion P2P stagenet address?
23:00:47 <copenhagen_bram[> Will Monero ever have a flatpak?
23:01:41 <selsta> most likely not unless someone contributes it
23:01:48 <selsta> don’t see much benefit over static binaries
23:01:49 <selsta> also https://flatkill.org/2020/