01:58:40 <Elon_Sat0shi> I intend to send someone some Monero, but they've possibly never used Monero. They use Windows, but I've encouraged them to set up a Monero wallet over Tails. But they aren't able to do that yet. Would it be okay for them to install a Monero wallet on Windows, and then later transfer the funds to a more secure wallet made with Tails OS?
01:58:40 <Quotes> fuck windows, use linux!
01:59:00 * Elon_Sat0shi slaps Quotes around a bit with a floppy USB drive
02:08:01 <moneromooo> It's certainly better than nothing.
02:13:14 <Elon_Sat0shi> What's the difference between stagenet and testnet?
02:13:34 <Elon_Sat0shi> And is there anything that can be done about the IRS's bounty on breaking Monero?
02:16:50 <viperperidot[m]> Is the IRS bounty a genuine concern to the devs?
02:19:39 <moneromooo> testnet can break and is for monero hackers, stagenet forks shortly before mainnet to try and be useful to test things for integrators etc.
02:22:02 <Elon_Sat0shi> what's an integrators?
02:22:13 <Elon_Sat0shi> integrator*
02:24:35 <Elon_Sat0shi> > Is the IRS bounty a genuine concern to the devs?
02:24:37 <Elon_Sat0shi> well, anyone who can figure out how to track Monero transactions gets $625k of currency that is certainly less open and decentralized, but still easier to pay off mortgages with. I think that would encourage some people to try to do it.
02:25:51 <moneromooo> I meant people who use monero rather than hack on it. Like integrating monero into other systems, like wallets, etc.
02:26:23 <Elon_Sat0shi> Also, the devs might be interested in any loopholes in the IRS's bounty contract or something?? Maybe someone can find a vulnerability (and a fix for it) to Monero, "confide" in the vuln to the IRS, claim their reward, and then make a pull request that patches the vuln the next day.
02:27:07 <Elon_Sat0shi> oh, then the IRS would tax it away or something
02:31:16 <nioc> IRS wants to be able to track mooonero
02:31:25 <nioc> good luck
02:35:08 <Elon_Sat0shi> Monero isn't a magic silver bullet. If someone found an exploit in Monero and secretly gave it to the IRS (or anyone else who's interested in tracking Monero transactions), imagine how long they could make use of it before it gets discovered and fixed?
05:15:19 <Elon_Sat0shi> So stagenet is the better one for learning how to use Monero without sinking money into it?
05:15:49 <Elon_Sat0shi> And testnet is for experimenting with experimental Monero features.
05:53:19 <lza_menace> si
10:21:30 <spoke0_> trying to send a tx on stagenet, its pending forever, and the blockheight seems to be stuck at 681012 https://monero-stagenet.exan.tech/
10:23:02 <spoke0_> local and explorer deamon version is 0.16.0.3
10:29:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> The Exantech explorer seems stukc, better check here: https://community.xmr.to/explorer/stagenet/
10:29:51 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> And 0.16.x.x won't continue to work for long, better switch to 0.17. Not sure however whether that's the cause for your problem
10:31:46 <spoke0_> i am, should I just rescan stagenet, seems my local explorer and exan.tech are stuck at exactly the same block,
10:31:58 <spoke0_> i mean resync stagenet
10:35:43 <Mochi101> spoke0_, Exantech's daemon is stuck or something
10:35:49 <Mochi101> Use xmr.to's
10:35:55 <Mochi101> or your own
10:36:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Not sure, did Stagenet already fork to 0.17?
10:36:16 <Mochi101> Exantech's stuff has been screwed for a long time now.
10:37:45 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Looks like. So it's clear a 0.16 daemon won't sync to top.
11:07:05 <xmrmatterbridge> <trasherdk> Stagenet is on v14
11:50:39 <Freneticks> how people do like xmr.to to detect incomming transaction in less than 30sec~1min ?
11:54:08 <Freneticks> i actually use this : https://www.getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html#get_payments but it take more than 5min to confirm
11:55:17 <moneromooo> They don't wait for the txes to be mined.
11:55:51 <Freneticks> moneromooo: oh so they just watch the txes to get in the "buffer thing" ?
11:55:59 <moneromooo> get_transaction_pool_hashes and get_transfers can do that.
11:56:10 <Freneticks> thx
13:03:58 <kayront> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/j939q7/bitcoin_will_not_survive_if_it_doesnt_have/
13:04:13 <kayront> crap, if only we had some tool that did all of the above
13:04:17 <kayront> what was its name..
13:08:10 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: I am seeing more and more pro-privacy messages on r/Bitcoin
13:08:29 <dixie__flatline[> I think a small part of their community is opening their eyes to the absolute lack of privacy on their chains.
13:09:08 <dixie__flatline[> Matt Odell, for example, has been the one who cries for privacy needs on the btc.
13:09:42 <kayront> about time
13:12:25 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: btw, what happened to your blog post, titled, "come to the dark side" or something.
13:12:49 <dixie__flatline[> It was the most recent blog post on your blog for a long time. And then you wrote two posts on cake wallet, but the one I mentioned was gone.
13:13:10 <kayront> might have edited it out, it didn't seem to get much traction
13:13:15 <kayront> but i still have the copy for sure
13:13:38 <dixie__flatline[> An invitation to the Dark Side, iirc.
13:13:43 <moneromooo> Darth Kayront.
13:14:08 <kayront> been pretty busy myself with all sorts of irl stuff, writing the cake stuff was necessary though as better/easier normie-facing software is an absolute must imo
13:14:13 <kayront> LOL moneromooo :)
13:15:02 <kayront> plenty of stuff to write about just from week to week crypto news, i hope to find the time (really, reorder priorities..) soon to write more regularly again. it was fun to do so more often last year
13:15:28 <dixie__flatline[> OK.
13:15:31 <dixie__flatline[> Btw, will you write a guide on how to host an onion blog?
13:15:32 <dixie__flatline[> I remember you were thinking about that given enough demand from your readers.
13:15:45 <kayront> i could do it dixie__flatline[, yeah
13:15:52 <kayront> do you think it would be useful for you?
13:16:04 <dixie__flatline[> Sure.
13:16:04 <dixie__flatline[> I am looking forward to
13:16:17 <dixie__flatline[> Your blog is one of the few onion blogs I read regularly.
13:17:05 <kayront> that's nice to know. i mean, i already write about all this stuff in my journals, i feel i need to get it out of my head otherwise it gets pretty intense. so the blog is for the benefit of whoever's reading
13:17:27 <dixie__flatline[> I totally understand that feeling.
13:17:47 <dixie__flatline[> So, once you write a guide on how to host an onion blog, I will probably do the same 😉
13:17:51 <kayront> i really think there's an underappreciated opportunity to freely share thoughts and develop as writers (tends to make your thoughts more organized also) using something like tor
13:18:03 <dixie__flatline[> Exactly.
13:18:09 <kayront> after all, we can do it. it's easy to take that for granted, but really it's a modern miracle
13:18:44 <dixie__flatline[> The thing I love about onion hosting is, it's complete freedom from DNS registrars, or whatever.
13:18:57 <dixie__flatline[> No need to give your name, use a credit card, register.
13:18:59 <dixie__flatline[> Nothing of that BS>
13:19:12 <dixie__flatline[> Just write your thoughts. And publish.
13:19:14 <kayront> yeah, and you can run it from home also
13:19:14 <Freneticks> btw if the transaction get in the mempool but get not confirmed is it possible ? I mean it can just be one hacky fraud thing, or it's meaning that the whole blockchain is under attack and not reliable anymore ?
13:19:24 <dixie__flatline[> As free as it can get.
13:19:25 <kayront> with clearnet hosting you'd be tying your home IP to your writing persona
13:19:40 <kayront> which is not necessarily a problem (in my case it would be), but it's good to have the option
13:20:54 <dixie__flatline[> Oh, tying your real name, etc., to your writing persona is a great problem.
13:20:59 <dixie__flatline[> It definitely limits your freedom of expression.
13:21:12 <dixie__flatline[> Because you'd be self-censoring your inner thoughts.
13:21:17 <dixie__flatline[> Your dissident ideas, and such.
13:21:26 <dixie__flatline[> "Give a man a mask, and he will speak freely."
13:21:35 <kayront> yes, i don't necessarily want everything i ever wrote associated with my real identity. it might make me a target, people might want to hold me accountable for unpopular opinions, etc etc
13:21:45 <dixie__flatline[> Yes.
13:21:47 <kayront> i think i should be able to just put it out there, what i thought that day, and let the reader be the judge
13:21:54 <kayront> it doesn't really matter who wrote it
13:22:25 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: btw, are you still using Bitmessage?
13:22:41 <dixie__flatline[> You still have a Bitmessage ID in your About section of your blog.
13:22:42 <kayront> still installed, haven't really checked in ages
13:22:57 <kayront> most people were getting in touch via irc, so i kinda got sloppy
13:22:57 <kayront> :p
13:23:01 <dixie__flatline[> I see that it's been near 2 years since Bitmessage github repo got some update.
13:23:02 <dixie__flatline[> Shame really.
13:23:07 <dixie__flatline[> Such a cool project.
13:23:12 <kayront> yeah, that's also part of the reason
13:23:23 <kayront> too little activity for a project i thought had such good potential
13:23:37 <kayront> and that thing makes a pretty good target
13:24:12 <dixie__flatline[> The potential for anonymous, email-like, service is pretty great, imo.
13:24:32 <kayront> agreed
13:24:41 <dixie__flatline[> The thing with bitmessage would be, it would give the user pretty much unlimited throwaway emals.
13:24:49 <dixie__flatline[> One email address per registration.
13:25:01 <dixie__flatline[> Similar to never reusing a bitcoin address.
13:25:14 <dixie__flatline[> You should never reuse the same email through different online services
13:26:15 <kayront> yeah
13:26:52 <kayront> btw, any news from cake wallet? the feedback from my last posts seemed to go well with them, but the other day i was checking and there hasn't been a release since jun or jul
13:29:26 <kayront> dixie__flatline[: i'm curious also, at what level of explanation would you want the tutorial? there's a lot one has to assume .. otherwise i'll end up teaching *nix from the start
13:29:51 <kayront> i suppose if someone is already interested in this stuff they probably are at least vaguely familiar with linux etc
13:30:24 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: You can pretty much assume basic linux skills in using the Terminal commands, and such.
13:30:48 <dixie__flatline[> I remember, the Tor Project itself has recently published an article on their blog explaining how to set up onion blogs, etc.
13:30:52 <dixie__flatline[> Something on that level would be good.
13:31:00 <dixie__flatline[> Let me check if I can find that article so that you can see.
13:36:14 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: https://blog.torproject.org/new-version-onionshare-makes-it-easy-anyone-publish-anonymous-uncensorable-websites-0
13:37:50 <kayront> that's an interesting option for even easier publishing albeit with less isolation than I'd use myself; also, this computer would have to be always on, of course
13:38:36 <kayront> for the home user something like a raspberry pi tutorial would be ideal, i think - different computer, easier to leave always on, and some more could be done in terms of isolation of the service
13:39:18 <kayront> then on top of the OS/tor configurations, an exploration of which tools to use to generate the content. i am familiar with a couple and it could be fun to explore some more alternatives
13:40:25 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: Yes, you can direct the guide for Raspberry Pi's. Since they are pretty much available everywhere, and can be setup at home to be always on and such.
13:41:53 <kayront> if i really get into it then i could also write something about securing the device, keeping it up to date, doing backups of the content, etc
13:41:58 <kayront> it could easily be a multi-part tutorial
13:42:09 <kayront> if there are more people interested let me know in pm
13:42:18 <kayront> because i have 3-5 other topics i'd like to explore too
13:42:52 <dixie__flatline[> <kayront "if i really get into it then i c"> That would be nice.
13:43:18 <dixie__flatline[> kayront: I guess I can't PM you from matrix? 😉
13:45:46 <kayront> in the mean time, i leave you with this. seems that more and more people are beginning to understand the massive issues with lack of privacy on-chain, and seeking for alternatives. the monero name is the best known today, but let's not get too comfortable, that could easily change. it's important - essential - to continue to do what we do: write good docs, write software, advocate, tell friends family & maybe even strangers (works for me lol)
13:45:47 <kayront> about these issues, and yes, write content as well. translations are very important too but that seems to be well covered nowdays. where i think we could improve is in user-friendliness, especially in mobile wallets (that's why i wrote the cake suggestions articles) - but we're also missing good point of sale software, afaik
13:47:17 <kayront> the powers that be won't just roll over and accept a world of default financial privacy after working so hard to undermine it for 20+ years. at the same time, if a large enough number of people comes to see financial mass-surveillance for what it is, then any laws made "to protect us" cannot be accepted in good faith
13:48:32 <kayront> it's not been an easy fight and i doubt it's gonna get any easier anytime soon, but clearly the alternative (turnkey tyranny as snowden says) is even harder.. so rest as needed, but keep climbing that mountain
14:11:51 <nioc> most of my txs are ok but the last one took 5-6 minutes to show in a block explorer
14:11:53 <nioc> I understand that this is a known issue, I am just reporting,  0.17.0.1
14:34:56 <Inge-> Andreas is definitely on the cypherpunk side still https://youtu.be/5zIGGdNFH1k
16:03:03 <sethsimmons> <nioc "most of my txs are ok but the la"> Do you have a link to where this is a known issue? I have seen this but just assumed it was due to the Dandelion++ stem phase taking a bit to propogate to the network
16:04:25 <nioc> well it has been discussed in dev, it seems that there was some understnading as to why it was happening but alas I am clueless
16:04:44 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/6875
16:04:48 <nioc> as to exactly what is happenings
16:04:53 <selsta> this should improve it ^
16:05:03 <nioc> selsta to the rescue \o/
16:08:21 <sethsimmons> Thanks selsta
16:13:52 <kinghat[m]> sexy selsta
16:14:16 <selsta> w0w
16:17:46 <rbrunner> Is it possible that right now nobody is mining Stagenet? It seems no new block for 40 minutes, according to two different block explorers
16:19:38 <rbrunner> aaand just to make me look an idiot, a block arrives.
16:21:21 <moneromooo> Yes.
17:14:32 <Inge-> @aantonop: "I think the most important thing that needs to happen ... in bitcoin, it is Privacy. Privacy over everything else. If we don't make make Bitcoin more private and more fungible, IT WILL NOT SURVIVE a concerted state-level attack that attempts to punish people for using it"
17:15:03 <Inge-> https://youtu.be/5zIGGdNFH1k - ~55m in (also good statements in the first half hour)
17:19:44 <Inge-> "If Bitcoin doesn't solve this - it doesn't mean it is over - then some other system will solve it. This is why I am also interested in privacy coins"
17:34:23 <rbrunner> gingeropolous: Can it be your stagenet block explorer daemon is not yet on 0.17? It seems to leave out blocks with txs in them
17:39:24 <dixie__flatline[> all of a sudden, monero doesn't look like a shitcoin no more /s
17:43:56 <rbrunner> A double negative in a sarcastic way? That's too much for my poor brain to parse.
17:45:38 <moneromooo> Colloquial for a single negation.
17:46:01 <rbrunner> Even if with /s?
17:46:24 <moneromooo> Not proper grammar, thus ignored ^_^
17:49:10 <Inge-> dixie__flatline[: sure it does. But it's a QUALITY shitcoin.
20:12:24 <muff1nman[m]> <selsta "you can activate load-deprecated"> This doesn't seem to work with key-images of format 2
20:13:11 <muff1nman[m]> So I guess I'm now stuck as I've resetup my offline wallet with 0.17.0.1 and loaded a fresh outputs from hot wallet
20:13:33 <muff1nman[m]> but I need keyimages in order to get a correct balance
20:15:50 <muff1nman[m]> I don't see how https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp respects `load-deprecated-formats` at all
20:29:17 <selsta> muff1nman[m]: did you use the set command?
20:29:34 <muff1nman[m]> yes I did
20:29:40 <muff1nman[m]> got a warning about it being deprecated
20:29:49 <muff1nman[m]> didn't find a way to verify it was set to `1`
20:30:55 <muff1nman[m]> but even if I set it I don't think that variable is checked at all in that code path
20:33:47 <muff1nman[m]> looks like its there for importing tx and outputs, not for keyimages tho
20:42:15 <Antimony> Does anyone know if there's a new introductory video for getmonero.org's frontpage in the making?
20:52:29 <sethsimmons> <Antimony "Does anyone know if there's a ne"> Not that I’ve heard ATM.
21:14:02 <Inge-> Antimony: you mean intro videos to understand Monero?
21:28:08 <gingeropolous> stagenet explorer should be working now
21:28:30 <nioc> there has been some recent talk about redoing those and/or where they should be on the site but nothing is planned as of now
21:28:39 <Antimony> Inge-: I mean the video you tget to see when you visit getmonero.org
21:29:02 <Inge-> oh ok
21:29:32 <nioc> Antimony: ^^
21:30:06 <Antimony> I saw
21:31:20 <Antimony> Who wrote the script for the current vid, was it ajs?
21:44:04 <dsc_> Is there a monerod arg to whitelist/ignore a certain IP from getting banned?
21:44:13 <dsc_> context: Monero RPC node
21:46:07 <dsc_> rpc is behind a reverse proxy (haproxy) and it bans 127.0.0.1
21:46:45 <dsc_> Better yet: does it listen to X-Forwarded-For ? :P
21:47:18 <dsc_> does it have the ability to listen*
21:48:36 <selsta> dsc_: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/6877
21:49:45 <dsc_> thanks selsta
21:49:55 <dsc_> & mooo I suppose :P
21:50:10 <moneromooo> What did I do now...
21:50:44 <moneromooo> That patch doesn't do that. If it gets banned, it won't prevent it.
21:50:58 <dsc_> The second sentence in that patch's description is not punctuated.
21:51:06 <dsc_> Ah, ok.
23:51:55 <ciscodisco[m]> anyone here selling xmr lmk.
23:52:11 <ciscodisco[m]> looking to buy 3-4