04:57:40 <Inge-> agatha[m]: btc -> xmr services exist.  like Morphtoken. they are just mostly seen as slightly less trustworthy than xmr.to, but work fine
18:05:20 <noobie_noob[m]> Hi
18:06:58 <Mochi102> hello
18:08:06 <p3rL> Hi noobie_noob[m]
18:08:43 <noobie_noob[m]> Wow.  Thanks for responding!
18:09:07 <noobie_noob[m]> I’m not so familiar with any of this.
18:10:42 <noobie_noob[m]> I need help with very fundamental things before I move into the whole cryptocurrency space.  What do you recommend?
18:10:49 <moneromooo> Learning.
18:10:54 <Mochi102> ++
18:11:02 <p3rL> F
18:11:08 <moneromooo> And assuming stuff is a scam until you've learnt.
18:11:25 <dEBRUYNE> noobie_noob[m]: Mastering Monero is a good start
18:12:04 <noobie_noob[m]> Yes.  😃
18:12:44 <moneromooo> If you list the fundamental things you want help with, maybe we can help a bit.
18:12:47 <monerouser1144> Regarding Monero, check https://www.monerooutreach.org/ , https://www.monero.how/monero-how-tutorials and https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/
18:12:49 <p3rL> Monero guarenteed you to become a rich ( Roger Ver )
18:13:10 <Mochi102> Probably all of them monerouser1144
18:13:16 <Mochi102> tab fail!
18:13:21 <Mochi102> Probably all of them moneromooo
18:14:06 <moneromooo> Well, it all started with Charles Babbage and Ada Lovelace, who made the first analytical engine...
18:15:19 <noobie_noob[m]> I’m not a very good target for scammers because I’m not looking to get rich quick.  I am not looking into this to make money.  I’m more interested in the ideological side of it.  Supporting privacy, decentralization, open sourced projects, etc.
18:15:22 <monerouser1144> Also https://localmonero.co/knowledge posted several interesting (for me, as a newcomer) articles recently.
18:21:11 <noobie_noob[m]> <monerouser1144 "Also https://localmonero.co/know"> Very helpful.  Thank you.  I am not at all a coder, btw.
18:23:01 <noobie_noob[m]> Though, I am having an immense appreciation for open source coders these days.  The world needs more problem   solvers and less trouble makers, IMO.
18:25:46 <Mochi101> monerouser1144, did you even look at that link?
18:26:18 <Mochi101> I didn't know localmonero.com used that as a 404 page
18:26:20 <Mochi101> :D
18:27:56 <monerouser1144> @Mochi101 what do you mean, it works for me ...
18:28:37 <selsta> monerouser1144 your link works
18:28:39 <monerouser1144> Ah, the 404 of the truncated link LOL
18:28:51 <Mochi101> ahh yeah.. truncated
18:28:53 <Mochi101> sorry
18:31:36 <noobie_noob[m]> The tutorials and local pages will be helpful and I will move forward on reading up and learning as much as I can.  But, in the meantime, I have a few fundamental questions on how to get started.
18:32:31 <noobie_noob[m]> 1.  Is there any way I can meet up with a live person who can help me?
18:34:49 <Mochi101> noobie_noob[m], where are you?
18:35:09 <noobie_noob[m]> 2.  How do I get unbanked and get out of the usual social media?  I want out...  completely.
18:36:22 <noobie_noob[m]> <Mochi101 "noobie_noob, where are you?"> NY
18:38:17 <noobie_noob[m]> <noobie_noob[m] "2.  How do I get unbanked and ge"> Not sure exactly where to begin...
18:41:07 <binaryFate> GUI 0.17.0.1 binaries are out on getmonero.org. See also blog post https://www.getmonero.org/2020/10/05/monero-GUI-0.17.0.1-released.html
18:50:09 <noobie_noob[m]> I might not be in the right group for this.  That’s why I asked for recommendations.  Monero IS the cryptocurrency that I want to support.  But, to me, it’s a small part of a much bigger picture.
18:52:41 <moneromooo> Well if you like privacy in general, you might or might not know about https://prism-break.org/en/all/
18:52:45 <monerouser1144> @noobie_noob[m] I'm not sure if IRC is the best channel for such discussions. You'll probably have better response at Reddit.
18:58:19 <nioc> GUI 0.17.0.1 binaries are out on getmonero.org
18:58:34 <nioc> iSlo
19:04:18 <monerouser1144> I assume that all binaries other than monero-wallet-gui (those under /extras and monerod) are the same with the ones released a week ago?
19:08:45 <selsta> yes
19:15:25 <monerouser1144> Thx, I've downloaded the Linux version and verified gpg sig and sha256 hash. Everything looks well.
19:24:21 <noobie_noob[m]> <monerouser1144 "@noobie_noob[m] I'm not sure if "> moneromooo has been very helpful.  I hope I’m not bothering anyone on here.
19:28:53 <noobie_noob[m]> <moneromooo "Well if you like privacy in gene"> This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I needed.  Thank you.  🙂 Now, I am a little bit lost on how to get RID of those other apps!  I get a warning saying that things might stop working.  I’m afraid to lose my data, etc.
19:29:14 <monerouser1144> Question that I couldn't find the answer in the article collections that I've posted above: Do Monero addresses get created like the new Bitcoin "Hierarchical Deterministic" style (to avoid reuse)? Or is the underlying design completely different?
19:30:45 <monerouser1144> The monero-wallet-cli refers to "Electrum seed" but it's unclear what it means.
19:33:15 <dEBRUYNE> They function similarly insofar as they are linked to a 'master' private key
19:33:32 <dEBRUYNE> monerouser1144: It simply refers to the 25 word mnemonic seed, which is basically a representation of the private spend key in words
19:33:47 <monerouser1144> I mean I know it refers to the HD seed design used by the Electrum Bitcoin wallet. But does it mean that under the hood the monero wallet creates dozens of addresses? (for receiving and change)
19:41:34 <noobie_noob[m]> moneromooo:  how can I pm you?
19:46:22 <monerouser1144> Is it correct to assume that Monero's 25 word "Electrum" seed creates a "Hierarchical Deterministic" wallet (with potentially 1000s addresses) ? Or is CryptoNote entirely different?
19:49:12 <Inge-> a few billion accounts, each with a few billioin addresses
19:53:18 <monerouser1144> @Inge- I'm asking because I haven't encountered the term "Hierarchical Deterministic" wallet in the Monero literature (or maybe I missed it).
19:53:59 <Inge-> well, I think the bitcoin version is likely different than the monero version, so probably not meaningful to use the same name?
19:54:52 <Inge-> But for all intents and purposes - yes, Monero provides a large amount of deterministic subaddresses, probably more than you can use in a lifetime.
19:55:30 <Inge-> and if you recreate the wallet based on the seed mnemonic, you have access to the same addresses again
20:00:06 <Mochi101> Do you recycle addresses to save the environment Inge- ?
20:00:39 <Inge-> Recycle addresses to save Ciphertrace?
20:00:48 <Mochi101> hahaha
20:04:58 <noobie_noob[m]> Sorry if this question is too basic...  how can I send someone a pm?
20:06:19 <dEBRUYNE> Type /query <name>
20:06:35 <dEBRUYNE> So for me that would be /query dEBRUYNE
20:07:34 <noobie_noob[m]> <dEBRUYNE "So for me that would be /query d"> TY for the example.
20:08:16 <binaryFate> does that work on matrix? I don't know matrix
20:08:42 <dEBRUYNE> Not sure to be honest :-P
20:08:45 <dEBRUYNE> Worth a try I guess
20:09:25 <binaryFate> Double clicking on someone's name would be sensible UI maybe your client does that noobie_noob[m]?
20:13:57 <monerouser1144> I think the instructions for Linux (newbies) should be rewritten https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.html#31-get-hash-file
20:14:58 <binaryFate> can you be more specific?
20:15:53 <noobie_noob[m]> <dEBRUYNE "Type /query <name>"> It’s not working.  😕
20:16:23 <monerouser1144> Also the use of "wget -O ..." could be avoided, if you don't need to rename the file (which is the case in the examples)
20:17:47 <noobie_noob[m]> I keep getting a “Usage error”
20:19:41 <monerouser1144> If the live website is stored on Github, I might try a PR -- https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/blob/6f67c07fe00d6e26ddd8f1938820acab3dc4981f/_i18n/en/resources/user-guides/verification-allos-advanced.md
20:39:19 <dixie__flatline[> <noobie_noob[m] "It’s not working.  😕"> You are using matrix, and trying to direct message an IRC user.
21:07:49 <sethsimmons> How long does it take for the GUI auto-update to be available after a release is pushed?
21:07:54 <sethsimmons> Have someone asking on Twitter.
21:14:17 <kinghat[m]> asking for a friend*
21:14:53 <binaryFate> The DNS records need to be updated. Probably tomorrow but I'm not sure, I'm not doing that
21:18:25 <sethsimmons> Ah, ok, good to know.
21:18:25 <sethsimmons> Thanks, binaryFate
21:18:39 <sethsimmons> <kinghat[m] "asking for a friend*"> Seriously though 😅
21:22:34 <dEBRUYNE> sethsimmons: I'd say within 48 hours
22:00:13 <moneromooo> monero-wallet-cli checks every 12 hours IIRC. There's a fair chance the GUI does the same.
22:01:07 <spiffystump> trying to sync GUI wallet, its not loading at all
22:25:19 <moneromooo> If you want help, be more precise, or even people who want to help cannot.