09:45:16 <Rawat> (v.17.0) My log is flooded by this. Does it have any influence for mining? [P2P] ERROR	txpool	src/cryptonote_core/tx_pool.cpp:139 failed to find tx meta
17:17:27 <p3rL> #16 XMR again <3
18:03:38 <Inge-> does LEdger support v0.17 yet?
18:05:22 <selsta> yes
18:05:55 <selsta> you have to download the newest version and activate developer mode in Ledger live to see 1.7
18:06:04 <selsta> there will be 1.7.1 soon with some bugfixes
18:16:32 <Inge-> bah. no 1.7 even with developer mode enabled.
18:16:49 <selsta> Inge-: there is, sort by alphabet
18:21:10 <Inge-> not that I can find.
18:22:20 <selsta> I see it.
18:22:37 <selsta> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/FmwpM5Ef/Screenshot%202020-09-27%20at%2020.22.23.png
18:33:10 <Inge-> yeah, not there for me for some reason.
18:34:25 <Inge-> Anything important in 0.17.1 ?
18:44:08 <selsta>  yes, bug and dos fixes
18:44:51 <selsta> recommended update
18:45:18 <selsta> security fixes might be more accurate, it’s not exactly DoS
18:57:59 <Inge-> tagged and waiting on reproducible build hashes?
19:04:56 <selsta> no waiting on website upload
19:06:28 <Inge-> nice
21:01:40 <devaux[m]> Hi :)
21:51:21 <ophi> Can you make money mining Monero running five Core2Duo systems assuming zero additional power cost, no fancy GPUs nor ASICs,  and 6M dyamic-IP DSL?
21:52:04 <devaux[m]> Mining Monero with CPU works very good
21:52:09 <devaux[m]> But Core2Duo...
21:53:01 <devaux[m]> But when you don't have to pay for electricity, you could get some Hs
21:53:29 <ophi> I have a few 8 year+ old Xeon systems
21:53:40 <ophi> But a lot of Core2Duo
21:53:42 <devaux[m]> Better... but
21:53:42 <ophi> Hs?
21:53:52 <devaux[m]> Hashs
21:54:10 <ophi> Think it's worth doing (it
21:54:32 <devaux[m]> With actual CPUs you can get really good reward. GPUs or ASICs don't have any advantage in the Monero world
21:54:43 <ophi> 's an 8+ hour round trip to the data center and a $30/mo bandwidth fee)?
21:54:54 <devaux[m]> Yeah, just try it. load xmrig and start mining
21:55:19 <ophi> What do you think it will bring in?
21:55:21 <manifest> free computers and electricity = free monero
21:55:25 <manifest> not much
21:55:41 <devaux[m]> Hmm. If you can use the bandwith for other things, too it could be worth
21:55:54 <manifest> few thousand hashes/s since no aes in those i bet
21:56:00 <manifest> .mine 4000
21:56:04 <devaux[m]> But i doubt that you will get 0.3 XMR with 6 Core2Duo in a month
21:56:13 <manifest> oh yeah this isn't pools lel
21:56:29 <ophi> Do I need to join a pool to make it work financially?
21:56:47 <devaux[m]> Yes, this for sure
21:56:50 <manifest> without a pool it's like you're playing the lottery
22:01:19 <ophi> So, at last price, you're talking around $357 per year?
22:01:36 <devaux[m]> No
22:01:56 <devaux[m]> I was talking about your costs of $360 a year
22:02:13 <devaux[m]> And i don't think you will get 3 XMR a year to cover these costs
22:02:27 <ophi> I did .3 XMR/mo * 12 months * $99.33
22:02:35 <devaux[m]> That's why i asked you if you could use the bandwith for other things, too
22:03:09 <devaux[m]> With 6x Core2Duo?
22:03:13 <ophi> I could mine another altcoin, I could maybe run a masternode (but the buy in can be pretty nasty)
22:04:24 <ophi> I am also open to suggestion
22:04:56 <ophi> If not 3 XMR/year, what do you think it might be?  Would I do better in a pool?
22:05:37 <devaux[m]> There are coins where you can share decentralized storage. Not sure if this pays out and is worth the work to change disks when they get broken
22:06:06 <devaux[m]> You HAVE to be in a pool. Else you won't get anything within the next 10 years
22:06:44 <ophi> I've heard storage is a bust
22:10:43 <devaux[m]> Anyway. Time to sleep. Wish you a good night :)
22:11:56 <ophi> So, it sounds like at best I would break even.
22:12:05 <ophi> Even with no added cost power.
22:12:12 <ophi> Bummer
22:12:14 <ophi> Thanks!
22:14:10 <devaux[m]> Yeah. Mining isn't easy these days. But when you have a decent CPU, Monero is what you want to mine
22:15:52 <ophi> Would the Xeon fare better?  I have a roughly 5 year old Xeon server, didn't really want to use it for that, but I could.
22:16:07 <devaux[m]> My suggestion
22:16:33 <devaux[m]> Set the XEON up with xmrig and look how much Hs you get
22:16:55 <ophi> How long would I need to run it to know?
22:17:51 <devaux[m]> With 5500Hs i get about 1.1 XMR a month
22:18:04 <devaux[m]> Maybe one or two hours
22:18:23 <devaux[m]> A few seconds if you want to know apx
22:18:52 <ophi> Can you virtualize xmrig using VirtualBox or KVM, or does it need to be bare hardware?
22:19:32 <devaux[m]> When your Hardware supports Virtualization you can
22:19:39 <devaux[m]> But your Core2Duo won't i guess
22:19:49 <Inge-> 1.1 XMR/month with 5500Hs?
22:19:56 <devaux[m]> But why do you want this?
22:19:57 <Inge-> That sounds ... optimistic
22:20:05 <ophi> Don't need it for the core2duo, but hate to kill my only late model server
22:20:07 <devaux[m]> It's what i get
22:20:31 <devaux[m]> Oh, sorry
22:20:36 <devaux[m]> 55000Hs
22:20:49 <Inge-> that sounds more reasonable :)
22:20:57 <devaux[m]>  * With 55000Hs i get about 1.1 XMR a month
22:21:09 <devaux[m]> Corrected ;)
22:22:56 <devaux[m]> I think with a decent 5 years old Xeon you will get between 1000 and 2000 Hs
22:23:13 <devaux[m]> Except it's kind of Gold-rated CPU
22:23:45 <ophi> so maybe .3 XMR/mo
22:23:54 <ophi> which is back to about $360/year
22:24:01 <devaux[m]> More like 0.05-0.1
22:24:29 <ophi> So $100/year.  Doesn't seem worthwhile.
22:24:39 <devaux[m]> But who knows. Maybe next year 0.1 XMR are $1000 ;)
22:27:10 <devaux[m]> I started mining XMR back in 2017 with a few CPUs in spare time. Got 1-2 XMR a week without any effort
22:27:51 <devaux[m]> But i could make maybe 10-20 a week if i believed in the potential
22:28:17 <devaux[m]> So. It's always about the point of view
22:28:45 <devaux[m]>  * But i could have made maybe 10-20 a week if i believed in the potential
22:30:13 <devaux[m]> Ah
22:30:17 <devaux[m]> I wanted to go to sleep
22:30:19 <devaux[m]> Good night
22:30:40 <ophi> Yeah, sorry to keep you, thanks for the input.  Goodnight.
22:30:48 <devaux[m]> o/