01:54:10 <MrMadium> Hi all - @selsta - apologies for the late reply. I've followed the http://xmrguide42y34onq.onion/tails guide and it does look like it gets further into the process than what I have been able to previously - however the refresh seems to get stuck on height: 2163001/2194816
01:54:37 <selsta> How long did you wait? Syncing or Tor is super slow.
01:54:39 <selsta> over*
01:55:01 <MrMadium> It's currently been about 30+ minutes on the one block.
01:55:08 <selsta> Which version?
01:55:34 <MrMadium> Nitrogen Nebula
01:55:58 <MrMadium> V0.16.0.3
01:56:13 <selsta> please use v0.17.0.0
01:56:19 <MrMadium> Ok.
01:56:34 <selsta> though not guaranteed to resolve your issue
01:58:46 <MrMadium> Does it help that I have lmdb on an external hard drive? It was fully synched as of 18ish hours ago.
01:59:08 <MrMadium> That was synched via windows
02:00:06 <selsta> I am not familiar with Tails but you can use the blockchain on your harddrive
02:00:09 <selsta> --data-dir flag
02:04:51 <MrMadium> On a side note - thanks for all those who contribute and assist. I've learnt quite a bit from just trying to get this to work 😀
06:22:14 <DarwinElf> if I send monero (over the network) to a new wallet on same PC is there still a fee?
06:26:07 <Mochi101> yes
06:26:25 <Mochi101> It'll be about 1/2 a US cent
06:28:46 <DarwinElf> so monero is pretty good on the fees...
06:30:33 <Mochi101> Yes, it's very cheap.
06:30:52 <riceandbeans> What kind of hash rates do you guys get, just out of sheer curiosity
06:31:24 <riceandbeans> My oldest stuff gets like 660H/s and my newest seems to get like 1600H/s
06:32:59 <MrMadium> Hi all.
06:33:31 <MrMadium> @selsta - with your help I was finally able to get this synced to remote node - thank you!
06:33:42 <Mochi101> DarwinElf, for example... just now I sent a tx - The transaction fee is 0.000024450000
06:34:11 <Mochi101> Basically nothing.
06:35:10 <Mochi101> Wow... that's even cheaper with CSLAG
06:35:26 <MrMadium> I have a slight concern that in my updating and such that I have done a major error. Can you raise a sub-account that was created in a wallet with the seed that you initially had when you created the wallet?
06:36:07 <Mochi101> MrMadium, subaddresses are deterministic... so they will always be generated in the same order.
06:36:33 <MrMadium> So if I raise a subaddeess - it will be the first one?
06:36:47 <MrMadium> If that's the case I could vomit with excitement
06:37:56 <Mochi101> If you had the subaddress 567 in index 23 in a wallet.. then you restored that wallet and generated a subaddress the index 23 address would be 567
06:39:55 <MrMadium> Amazing. You lot even cater for the fuckwits like me.
06:40:15 <MrMadium> I love you and would kiss you if you consented.
06:40:22 <Mochi101> :D
06:42:33 <riceandbeans> I have a question, forgive me if it sounds stupid...
06:43:25 <Mochi101> no worries
06:43:42 <riceandbeans> Let's say a government decided that monero was too much of a threat and wanted to prevent it from being used. What would be to stop them from say, creating wallets, buying monero off people, and then deleting the wallets and keys to just basically make chunks of the monero unusable and eventually being able to basically denial of service it
06:45:59 <Mochi101> riceandbeans, nothing can be done to stop that. But would it make Monero unusable or would it make it more valuable because the government wants it?
06:46:52 <Mochi101> Hypothetical situations are fun to think about, and one dream up a lot of situations, everything is a risk in that sense.
06:48:26 <Mochi101> But in reality a government would have to allocate funds to buy and burn those Monero, which they would need permission for. These things would likely be challenged in the courts.
06:48:40 <Mochi101> The dynamics are incalculable.
06:52:17 <riceandbeans> Well
06:52:20 <riceandbeans> How about this
06:53:18 <riceandbeans> Suppose many botnets creating monero farms were done by nationstates seeking to take currency out of circulation in addition to purchasing with what was possible
06:55:36 <raecarruth> ...
06:58:29 <Mochi101> riceandbeans, governments have a long history of unsuccessfully banning things. One current example is the war on drugs. An historic example would be prohibition. Some have even tried to make owning gold illegal.
07:00:11 <Mochi101> In the digital realm, pirating of software, movies or music. Depending on the attack vector, the technology adapts.
07:01:42 <DarwinElf> in reply to riceandbeans, i get much lower rates on my oldest systems (since some are from '0s--686/P3--and wouldn't be worth it, but some from 10 years ago I use) but I think my newer ones (Ryzen 9) are higher, just I have to recheck and maybe tweak them.  Thanks
07:20:48 <endor00[m]> [riceandbeans](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_riceandbeans:matrix.org) in order to purchase people's Monero, the people would have to sell them to begin with. Can't purchase my stuff if I'm not selling - the only way would be through force
07:22:35 <endor00[m]> Besides - the nice thing about decentralized currencies is that they don't fall under the jurisdiction of any single government. Thus, no single country would be able to stop it, because the rest of the world would still be available. And good luck getting all governments in the world to agree on any topic xD
07:24:57 <endor00[m]> Also, have a look at monerobenchmarks.info to compare hardware performance with others
17:37:50 <adeus[m]> Any alternative android clients that work with onion servers ?
18:55:44 <anicow> hey guys how is kovri coming
19:25:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Anicow: kovri was pretty much abandoned but you can route transactions through TOR or i2p with the wallet now
19:26:49 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md
23:33:57 <midipoet> nice