00:22:03 <ForeverNoob[m]> for some reason Model T was 150 EUR and now it's 180 :S
00:38:29 <ForeverNoob[m]> hmm... https://old.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/ex1wyh/kraken_identifies_critical_flaw_in_trezor/
00:38:29 <ForeverNoob[m]> but also... hmm... https://old.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/85sl30/breaking_the_ledger_security_model/
00:58:24 <selsta> both ledger and trezor are probably not 100% secure with physical access
00:58:56 <selsta> the goal is to guard against potential malware on your computer I think
01:13:39 <ForeverNoob[m]> in a way that's true, but if physical attack takes long enough and perhaps even costs a lot too, then you would minimize the risk of being compromised before taking countermeasures.
03:47:34 <gingeropolous> so whats it gonna take to get a ringsize bump
03:57:09 <gingeropolous> ok. here we go c++. time to make all the sense to me.
03:57:11 <gingeropolous> #define HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_10                 8
03:57:17 <gingeropolous> ok, so this value is set to 8.
03:57:20 <gingeropolous> maybe
03:57:41 <gingeropolous> and then this thing..
03:57:44 <gingeropolous> const size_t min_mixin = hf_version >= HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_10 ? 10
03:58:35 <gingeropolous> so we've got a constant being made with size_t and we're calling it min mixin, which ..... is equal to hf version and then who wants some syntax
03:59:24 <gingeropolous> oh well, there's an actual mixin. if (((hf_version == HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_10 || hf_version == HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_10+1) && min_actual_mixin != 10) || (hf_version >= HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_10+2 && min_actual_mixin > 10))
04:01:46 <gingeropolous> i wonder if that syntax translates to "making a constant (something with size_t, seems irrelevant to me, dunno why) called min_mixin and if hf_version is >= HF_VERSION_MIN_MIXIN_!) it will be 10
04:01:51 <gingeropolous> yeah thats prolly it.
04:03:03 <Infinity8> 72 blocks in past 90 minutes on Monerod
04:03:05 <Infinity8> wtf does that mean
04:03:56 <gingeropolous> it means monerod ran some stats and thinks that 72 blocks is out of the normal range
04:04:04 <gingeropolous> for the 90 minute window
04:05:01 <gingeropolous> which would make sense because (72*2 = 144 ) > (2 min * 45 blocks = 90 mins)
04:05:18 <gingeropolous> are u syncing a new node?
04:05:27 <gingeropolous> cause this looks fine: https://community.xmr.to/blocks/frequencies/
04:06:16 <gingeropolous> so do we goto ringsize 13 or straight to 17
04:07:15 <gingeropolous> are we gonna be stuperstitious and avoid 13? Or go ahead with 13 because thats silly and 13 used to have superstitions on the other side of the spectrum
04:07:43 <gingeropolous> thats the real reason we haven't walked up the primes yet with the ringsize
04:08:49 <nioc> I believe that the 13 superstition no longer is active
04:10:03 <gingeropolous> well if we haven't bumped it to 13 by the time we get to Aluminum Andromeda then im doin it
04:10:24 <gingeropolous> nah fuckit, even better!
04:10:31 <nioc> gingercoin
04:10:41 <gingeropolous> lets just bump it based on the atomic weight of the element
04:10:49 <nioc> also....
04:10:50 <nioc> w0w
04:10:53 <gingeropolous> so oxygen orion gets 16 ringmembers
04:11:14 <gingeropolous> and fluorine gets 19
04:11:17 <lza_menace> yo fellas - can someone help me understand the concerns mentioned here? https://github.com/lalanza808/MoneroPy#disclaimer
04:11:55 <lza_menace> is this concern only valid if seed generation is being done on a machine that another person has access to?
04:12:15 <gingeropolous> thats what it sounds like, but im no expert
04:13:24 <gingeropolous> i guess because its pure python and its open source, other people could run the code and learn the electromagnetic radiation signature it creates and then be able to reverse it
08:22:01 <Infinity8> gingeropolous: No, this is an active node
08:46:11 <MrMadium> Hi all - quick question. I've downloaded the blockchain onto my windows system. If I wanted to add it onto another system, say, tails, is it as simple and overwriting the lmdb in tails with the one that I have downloaded on Windows?
08:54:18 <artefact> that disclaimer is probably spectre-related. if you don't control other processes on the (bare) machine, you will be vulnerable to side channel attacks
08:55:25 <artefact> probably moot anyway since you're already vulnerable to an evil admin just dumping keys from memory
09:44:34 <dEBRUYNE> MrMadium: Yes, the blockchain file is compatible across different operating systems
11:41:39 <MrMadium> Thank you dEBRUYNE
11:52:08 <moneromooo> gingeropolous: yes, a>b?x:y means x if a>b else y.
12:07:53 <gingeropolous> how much stuff would break if i changed those numbers
12:08:44 <gingeropolous> i guess its too late for oxygen because the deterministic builds are out
12:09:05 <gingeropolous> and it couldn't live in master because people expect master to work with mainnet
13:28:33 <ErCiccione[m]> The GUI wallet needs to be translated: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/iwdtqs/the_new_release_of_the_gui_wallet_is_almost_ready/
13:28:53 <ErCiccione[m]> direct link to Weblate: https://translate.getmonero.org/projects/monero/gui-wallet/
16:01:57 <fluffypony> tks ErCiccione[m]
17:24:30 <gingeropolous> oh jeez. i made a 39 gig bitmonero.log
17:40:26 <gingeropolous> and it seems to be when i started carbon chamelon in may. 2020-05-26 19:29:54.621	    7effbd354780	INFO	global	src/daemon/main.cpp:271	Monero 'Carbon Chamaeleon' (v0.15.0.5-17ec003c0)
19:53:23 <algo_max[m]> I'd like to run a monero node but my current ISP seems to block incoming connections / ports. Is there any way around that? How useful is it to run a node without incoming connections? Somewhere I read that such a node cannot be used to download the blockchain, but it can still be used to forward transactions. How useful is this to the network compared to sharing the blockchain?
19:56:28 <moneromooo> I can be used to download the chain, but only if you happen to connect to a node that happens to need it.
19:56:43 <moneromooo> It's more useful than not having a node overall.
19:57:19 <moneromooo> If your ISP blocks incoming connections, you could ask for a refund I guess.
19:57:46 <moneromooo> It's like renting a flat and finding the toilet door's locked with a key you don't have.
19:59:06 <moneromooo> Or you could make doubly sure this is the case, and not you having some firewall that's blocking them, or not having setup your router properly :)
20:08:29 <artefact> yeah very unlikely that your isp is blocking incoming ports- except maybe smtp. look at your router and/or proxies
20:09:42 <Mochi101> probable a direct connection to the ISP
20:09:42 <artefact> you can also use i2p, afaik it will try to do udp hole punching. but that won't be used for relaying blocks
20:10:42 <Infinity8> did you forward your router ports?
20:10:52 <Infinity8> Anyone use Hexchat?
20:10:56 <moneromooo> And route your forward ports ?
20:11:01 <Mochi101> I do
20:11:09 <Infinity8> My nickname is highlighted on this channel only
20:11:16 <Infinity8> how do I toggle it on other channels as well Mochi101 ?
20:11:27 <Mochi101> Should be automatic.
20:11:51 <Infinity8> Well it's literally on #monero only for some reason
20:12:09 <Mochi101> just sent you a message in pools...
20:12:31 <algo_max[m]> Many mobile internet providers block incoming ports here.. we'll switch to fiber when the contract expires.. then I'll have incoming ports, but it's still 6 months.. :/
20:12:36 <algo_max[m]> I think I've set up the port forwarding and firewall correctly because I can connect to the node when I enter the router's internal IP address. But connections get a timeout when they go to the external IP address (packets seem to be filtered/denied, not rejected.. which looks like a firewall / ISP's filter?).
20:15:23 <Infinity8> pinging #hexchat
20:15:23 <Quotes> pong
20:15:30 <Infinity8> ping of death
20:15:31 <Quotes> pong
20:15:37 <algo_max[m]> I'll have to read up on i2p, seems interesting
20:16:04 <Infinity8> Yeah mobile providers are restrictive as fuck
20:16:54 <moneromooo> Are they at least cheaper ?
20:18:13 <artefact> can it still be called an "IS"P? it's like giving you envelopes but no mailbox of your own
20:22:09 <algo_max[m]> Cheaper then fiber? Yes, it's about 0.3 moneros a month for 40 Mbit/sec and unlimited data.. fiber will cost at least twice, but also be faster.
20:23:03 <nakedpony> monero <3 > market price
20:23:04 <nakedpony> wtc
20:23:06 <nakedpony> wtf
20:23:49 <artefact> you can't put a price on listen(3)
20:24:16 <algo_max[m]> Actually the only reason we use mobile is because it was the only way to get internet here so far because we're kinda far off civilization. Been quite lucky to get a fiber connection here soon :)
20:26:38 <RomanS[m]> probably you can do udp punchhole for bypass isp firewall
20:33:23 <algo_max[m]> umm how'd udp hole punching help? doesn't monerod use tcp?
20:44:29 <artefact> not necessarily over i2p
20:50:23 <dsc_> SMTP blocked by ISP ... the refund will be "$price / 65535" :P
20:51:14 <moneromooo> Damn. Foiled again.
20:56:35 <artefact> if only you could only ask for port 443 and pay 1/65535th of the price
20:57:39 <dsc_> + only TCP and IPv4 for more discounts :)
20:57:41 <yanmaani> algo_max[m]: You probably have CGNAT. If so, you would have to ask the carrier for a static IP.
20:58:05 <algo_max[m]> Is project Kovri still the way to go for i2p or something else? Its last commit was 8 months ago. Can you recommend some guide that shows how to set up monerod with i2p?
20:58:31 <moneromooo> There's a README for it IIRC.
20:58:31 <dsc_> algo_max[m]: try i2p-zero
20:58:35 <artefact> afaik the usual way is to run the full i2p node or i2p-zero
20:58:47 <artefact> though we're talking less than a dozen nodes
20:58:53 <artefact> https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/node-i2p-zero.html
20:58:59 <moneromooo> Almost: ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md
20:59:16 <moneromooo> I keep telling myself I should run one but never took the time...
20:59:19 <artefact> the guide also works for vanilla i2p to some extent
20:59:39 <artefact> you already run a .onion node iirc?
21:18:41 <algo_max[m]> thanks, I'll give i2p-zero a try. Looks a bit complicated, guess I should have asked for a Dockerfile, not for a README :p
21:46:59 <Infinity8> Mobile provider is good in places that have shit fibre (Australian NBN)
23:34:55 <Elon_Sat0shi> how do people who want to stay anonymous by using tor reach the monero community? Freenode requires that you create an account over the clearnet in order to log in via tor
23:39:15 <trashpanda[m]> You can use a VPN or proxy to create your freenode account, and then use TOR from then on. Mullvad VPN accepts crypto and is affordable for only a short duration.
23:39:43 <trashpanda[m]> Not ideal, but its not terrible IMO
23:48:40 <gingeropolous> blue calx is so good
23:56:30 <tombradyontap[m]> has anyone on here updated their Qubes monerod-ws to 17.0?