01:27:24 <adeus[m]> When will we get android wallet that works with Tor/offers socks proxy support ?
01:40:22 <dsc_> adeus[m]: maybe soon
01:40:29 <dsc_> 4-5 months
01:40:48 <dsc_> depending on how much time I have
08:53:40 <zib> lol
08:59:24 <horsepatat> oh boy using monero sure is pain, you type transfer into teh wallet cli and it freezes
08:59:42 <horsepatat> for next hour it might or it might not come back alive
08:59:47 <horsepatat> but then I know it will work second time I try that
09:00:05 <horsepatat> so whenever I want to trasnfer some, I just plan ahead to give it that hour for thinking
09:06:54 <horsepatat> nevermind it changed its mind and asked if I am sure
09:07:04 <horsepatat> took just 5 minutes, did I over exagerate?
09:28:34 <Inge-> horsepatat: I never have issues like that. unless it has a huge amount of inputs it uses to create a transaction?
09:31:13 <horsepatat> how would I know if it does?
09:37:36 <Inge-> incoming_transfers available ?
09:43:56 <selsta> horsepatat: that does not sound normal at all
09:44:17 <selsta> are you using a hardware wallet?
09:48:07 <horsepatat> incoming_transfers says 1 transfer
09:48:17 <horsepatat> I am using monero-wallet-cli
09:48:28 <horsepatat> which kinda connects to monerd me figures
09:48:44 <selsta> yes, but are you using monero-wallet-cli in combination with a ledger / trezor?
09:48:59 <selsta> also which node are you using?
09:50:02 <horsepatat> no idea what those are, so probably no
09:50:14 <horsepatat> my local node? arent you supposed to use it like that?
09:50:19 <selsta> yes, you should
09:50:29 <selsta> is this a normal computer?
09:50:36 <horsepatat> my desktop puter, yes
09:50:59 <selsta> it should not take longer than a couple seconds
09:51:13 <horsepatat> should I describe disks the blockchain sits on?
09:51:24 <selsta> yes, if it is something special
09:51:38 <horsepatat> it's raid I forgot which level, but total of 5 spinnig rust disks
09:52:05 <horsepatat> so not a single 2.5" dying piece of hard drive
09:52:20 <selsta> network drive?
09:52:31 <horsepatat> no, literally in this computers case
09:53:14 <horsepatat> mounted without any magic
09:53:26 <horsepatat> and I make sure nothing else is running when I try to transfer anything
09:53:51 <horsepatat> to be honest there is not much disk activity going on
09:54:09 <selsta> for testing purposes, can you start monero-wallet-cli with e.g. --daemon-address node.xmr.to:18081
09:54:14 <selsta> and check if it is faster?
09:54:35 <horsepatat> maybe weird monero version? it's 0.15
09:54:56 <selsta> should be okay but I would recommend to update to v0.16
09:55:06 <selsta> also v0.17 will be released today so might want to wait one more day
09:55:29 <horsepatat> hah
09:55:34 <horsepatat> good timing, will wait then
09:55:45 <horsepatat> it's been always like this with previous version I remember too
09:55:54 <selsta> definitely not normal
09:56:10 <horsepatat> there is also bitcoin-qt running ( sometimes ), not now, and it has no such issues
09:58:42 <selsta> I would try v0.17 once it is released. if the issue persists ask again here
09:59:05 <horsepatat> okay, interesting, I had impression its just how it works for past 2 years lol
10:04:47 <horsepatat> somehow I feel unease with connecting my wallet to some 3rd party node
10:05:15 <horsepatat> I think I had a chum change on testnet of monero
10:05:26 <selsta> testnet should work too
10:05:30 <horsepatat> if that one lags too, might be muh computer
10:06:08 <horsepatat> "The blockchain is on a rotating drive: this will be very slow, use an SSD if possible"
10:06:22 <horsepatat> I mean, there are probably only 5 people in world who can afford SSD for blockchain storage
10:06:43 <selsta> pruned blockchain is ~30GB, storage isn’t really an issue
10:07:10 <horsepatat> then I might store it even on my laptop
10:15:01 <endor00[m]> how big should the unpruned blockchain file be?
10:18:19 <horsepatat> 90G
10:19:03 <horsepatat> BTC is on 320G
10:23:56 <horsepatat> god damn that mining not enabled nag opening new wallets
10:26:28 <horsepatat> so how long should that Starting refresh usually take?
10:26:39 <horsepatat> Height 1334465 / 1544280
10:27:19 <endor00[m]> <horsepatat "god damn that mining not enabled"> very annoying indeed
10:27:40 <endor00[m]> <horsepatat "Height 1334465 / 1544280"> oof, how long since you last synced your node?
10:27:55 <horsepatat> that's that testnet
10:28:02 <horsepatat> I am going to see if its slow as hell too
10:28:17 <endor00[m]> oooh, makes sense
10:30:09 <horsepatat> ok, it synced, I am create a new one to transfer some from this one
10:30:25 <horsepatat> starting refresh on new
10:32:15 <horsepatat> hit transfer addr 1
10:32:30 <horsepatat> entered password and now waiting, ( this is where mainnet freezes for up to an hour )
10:32:51 <horsepatat> and its sent
10:33:08 <horsepatat> other wallet detects it with refresh
10:33:15 <horsepatat> so it doesnt lag on testnet
10:44:28 <arne_> hellooooo can somebody tell me about a good open node?
10:44:33 <arne_> public node, whatever it is called
10:54:22 <selsta> node.xmr.to:18081 node.supportxmr.com:18081 uwillrunanodesoon.moneroworld.com:18089
10:54:38 <moneromooo> That message is supposed to appear only once. After you say no, can run run "set" and see what the value of setup-background-mining is ?
10:55:30 <selsta> once per wallet?
10:55:46 <moneromooo> Yes.
10:55:54 <selsta> yea, I think horsepatat was talking about this
10:56:39 <moneromooo> You mean... it was appearing just once and that was too much ?
10:57:01 <arne_> is connecting to a random node dangerous?
10:57:10 <moneromooo> Somewhat.
10:57:19 <moneromooo> Depends what you mean by "dangeorus".
10:57:31 <moneromooo> You can't lose your coins directly.
10:57:46 <moneromooo> (though it increases the attack surface, so you never know).
10:58:02 <horsepatat> it does appear only once you create the wallet, then it goes on to appear in red every time you open wallet
10:58:04 <moneromooo> A malicious node can do things like make you think you got money. Or prevent you from sending.
10:58:28 <moneromooo> You mean a prompt, or just a message ?
10:58:45 <horsepatat> just a message in red you havent turned on mining
10:59:03 <moneromooo> Ah. Good. And a message you don;t have to answer is too annoying ?
11:00:10 <horsepatat> because its in red - it makes me feel bad
11:01:13 <moneromooo> Well, you can turn it on then :) It's not full tilt mining, if that wasn't clear It'll just use some percent of your CPU when it's otherwise idle..
11:18:08 <arne_> well as soon i don't trust it, but my bills are paid im fine, right?
11:18:13 <arne_> as long*
13:26:16 <Febo> Why was yesterday (this morning) so many big transactions? Someone was spending old coins that used old outputs? Or i dont knwo what I am talking about?
13:27:39 <sech1> like in this block? https://xmrchain.net/block/2189062
13:28:58 <Febo> yes 26k instead of 2
13:30:44 <sech1> someone was merging a lot of outputs, but it doesn't look like old outputs
13:31:56 <sech1> this is not Bitcoin, you know. We never can know for sure.
18:23:03 <lza_menace> how do I figure out the network byte for a monero fork? is it whatever the new prefix is but converted to hex?
18:23:04 <lza_menace> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/cryptonote_config.h#L206
19:09:02 <rbrunner> lza_menace: I would say so. Just take something that results in the addresses you want. Turtlecoin produces an address prefix of "TRTL" with:
19:09:03 <rbrunner> const uint64_t CRYPTONOTE_PUBLIC_ADDRESS_BASE58_PREFIX = 3914525;
19:16:13 <rbrunner> Just found this now: https://cryptonotestarter.org/tools.html   with a tool to find out those prefixes
19:20:34 <lza_menace> nice!
19:20:36 <lza_menace> thanks rbrunner!
19:23:45 <m3rc> hey guys i'm new - probably a stupid question. If I purchase a stable coin on an exchange like binance, then use that to purchase monero , then move that monero to a private wallet that I own, is that tracked? how "private" is the monero in my wallet at that point?
19:24:17 <lza_menace> wow, that tool is great
19:24:28 <lza_menace> I had heard of the site but didn't realize it gave so much insight into the internals
19:26:59 <moneromooo> Binance will know you bought that many monero. Typically, they won't know when you spend that monero, and how much.
19:27:17 <moneromooo> However, there are special cases where they can get some hints.
19:27:43 <moneromooo> But at a first approximation, once you have the monero, it's private.
19:29:34 <chaya2766[m]> if you're running ur own full node nobody should be able to connect your transactions that u make from it (untill quantum computers at least), so if that is where u move the monero & then send it to a different wallet, it should be pretty much disconnected from what binance knows (unless ur computer tells on you)
19:31:11 <m3rc> thanks guys
19:31:20 <chaya2766[m]> yw<3
19:31:24 <m3rc> just out of curiosity what are the special cases?
19:32:33 <dsc_> np: Massive Attack - Special Cases
19:34:42 <lza_menace> dsc_ is a special case :P
19:34:57 <chaya2766[m]> also iirc u have to give ur view key to another node if u use a mobile wallet or a remote node in the official wallet, so if that node keeps it & binance then somehow gets it they would be able to view ur wallet
19:34:57 <chaya2766[m]> (not sure if that's how it works exactly, might need somebody who knows more than me)
19:35:55 <moneromooo> Something with sending someone repeatedly, and that person sends to Binance.
19:35:59 <chaya2766[m]>  * also iirc u have to give ur view key to another node if u use a mobile wallet or a remote node in the official wallet, so if that node keeps it & binance then somehow gets it they would be able to view ur wallet
19:35:59 <chaya2766[m]> (not sure if that's how it works exactly, might need somebody who knows more than me, but I *think* that's right)
19:36:30 <moneromooo> Then Binance can notice there a lot more matching history than chance would normally suggest.
19:37:13 <ndorf> chaya2766[m]: no, you don't surrender your view key when using a remote node. only when using a specific type of wallet service, like MyMonero, that does the scanning server-side
19:38:27 <m3rc> hmm.. so if I were to create a bunch of wallets and transfer the monero between them from the wallet I received it from binance it should theoretically be completely in the void to them
19:39:05 <artefact> aka churning. and it's somewhat controversial
19:42:59 <moneromooo> Yeah, it doesn't really help as much as you think it does unless you do it very carefully.
19:43:17 <moneromooo> And I'm not 100% sure what very carefully here is :)
20:24:12 <rbrunner> After a thankfully long run of uptime the Mattermost relay finally went titsup today. pigeons, can you please prod the poor thing? Thanks!
20:48:18 <Inge-> moneromooo: sweep_single a few times at irregular intervals?
20:49:18 <Inge-> So, will the US stop people from downloading wechat and tiktok and from paying via them in the US now?