07:45:11 <kayront> https://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2020/07/164542-monero-xmr-zcash-zec-stellar-xlm-to-be-delisted-by-liquid-exchange-so-it-can-prepare-to-acquire-payment-services-license-in-singapore/
07:45:14 <kayront> Many publications have referred to Dash (DASH) as a privacy coin, however, its developers explained, during a detailed interview with Crowdfund Insider, that the cryptocurrency is actually not a “privacy coin.”
07:45:19 <kayront> lol
07:45:50 <kayront> first, the strategic abandoning of "privacy coin" when some years ago there were repeated claims that it was good for privacy
07:45:56 <kayront> second, "privacy coin" really has to die
07:46:23 <kayabaNerve> As a term?
07:46:29 <kayront> yes
07:46:43 <kayabaNerve> And because it's not descriptive or because it should be transparent coin/public coin?
07:46:47 <kayront> is a flat without hidden cameras and microphones everywhere connected to the government a privacy house? i guess you could argue that, but it seems more correct (and sane) to me to say that every house equipped as such is a surveillance house
07:47:17 <kayront> a house without hidden cameras and mics everywhere is the normal and sane thing, there is no need to call it a privacy house
07:47:28 <kayront> it's surveillance houses that require the additional qualifier
07:47:51 <kayabaNerve> Retiring that term will require the majority of coins to be private
07:48:04 <kayabaNerve> If the terminology standard is private, before setting the tech standard, the lack of specification will cause transparent coins to have privacy connotations without doing anything
07:48:48 <kayabaNerve> So I agree privacy coins are great and should be worked towards, obviously not going to say otherwise, and especially not here, but I'm not for retiring that term for years to come.
07:49:20 <kayront> <kayabaNerve> Retiring that term will require the majority of coins to be private
07:49:28 <kayront> alternatively, all the others could be labeled surveillance coins instead
07:50:08 <kayront> it's the expectation to be private that's the default, it's been like that for thousands of years. the 30 years or so of digital centralized money are the exception, and now once again we have alternatives
07:50:29 <kayront> it's like saying you're going to meet an alive person
07:50:47 <kayront> in my experience they're always alive, we can drop the alive
07:51:17 <kayabaNerve> When cryptocurrency has set the standard otherwise, in order to correct terminology built around tech we need to correct the tech
07:53:08 <kayront> i think you're slightly missing the point i was trying to make. calling monero privacy coin puts the attention on the privacy aspect, as it's distinct from just "cryptocurrency"/"coin". i'm saying the attention should be on the fact that the others are surveillance coins
07:53:25 <kayront> when people spend cash it is not their expectation that the exchange is recorded forever and searchable by anyone
07:58:32 <kayabaNerve> And I'm commenting that the special case is what gets the extra adjective. Privacy shouldn't be the special case, but it is.
08:01:04 <kayront> in that point we completely agree
09:24:44 <Inge-> kayront: I'm still particular to Panopticoin for all the open ledgers
09:44:23 <kayront> Inge-: nice one :D
09:46:46 <Inge-> search on youtube for "Panopticoin"
09:47:00 <Inge-> you get a very nice bitcoin presentation from 2014, still valid today.
09:50:48 <Inge-> so now a few million android phone users will weaken security by turning on side-loading of apk's
09:50:54 <Inge-> What could possibly go wrong.
09:57:28 <evolbit>  Inge-: :facepalm:
09:57:28 <evolbit> Is android going to enable side loading by default?
09:58:56 <Inge-> no but I'm guessing a lot of fortnite players will be more than happy to reduce their security and install fortnite that way
09:59:09 <Inge-> (it isn't just Apple that didn't like Epic bypassing their revenue stream)
10:00:23 <jbg> to be fair, sideloading on android doesn't necessarily involve reducing your security
10:00:30 <jbg> you can still verify the signature on the APK before installing it
10:00:34 <Inge-> ahahahaha
10:00:48 <Inge-> I'm sorry. Couldn't help myself.
10:00:52 <evolbit> yes, if you're an advanced user
10:00:56 <jbg> and you can verify that it's signed by the same key that the play store releases were signed by (before it was pulled)
10:01:13 <jbg> what's funny? you can make a clear contrast to iOS, where unless you can build the software yourself, you cannot securely sideload
10:01:27 <Inge-> I agree. And you are technically correct.
10:01:49 <Inge-> And a high percentage of people in this irc channel are probably both capable and might even do it.
10:01:56 <Inge-> but those users? pffft
10:02:02 <jbg> yeah, agreed
10:02:14 <jbg> the general user will either not install it, or do it in some way that severely compromises their security
10:02:57 <Inge-> I downloaded a firmware update for my HP switch from HP. website was https. file download was ... *drum roll*  HTTP
10:04:06 <evolbit> hahahaha
10:04:25 <evolbit> the same for most firmware updates
10:08:21 <Inge-> you could still get it if you used https, but curent state of browsers let it silently download over http.
10:10:53 <kayront> offtopic but want to share a thought.. very obvious in retrospect, can't believe i ever thought about it before... but there must be many many "legit (KYCd@exchange)" people not buying monero because they know their name will forever be associated with it (thoughtcrime) and "privacy coins" are being delisted here and there
10:19:08 <Inge-> heh. yeah that seems like a legit worry. Much more serious than the possibility of @exchange leaking their picture ID and stuff
10:23:43 <kayront> i fear we're running out of time to launch capable resistance to kill plans like attempting to ban p2p txs (wtf, btw)
10:25:09 <kayront> they don't get it, or don't care, such plans mean transposing the old model of centralized hubs that are bullied into playing the police & snitch role
10:25:24 <kayront> just casually ignore the reason why this technology appeared in the first place
10:25:29 <kayront> millions of people who came onboard with the vision
10:25:38 <kayront> and pierce a government knife through the essence of the ideal
10:25:40 <kayront> seems legit
12:03:18 <yanmaani> what's needed is a good XMR <-> XBT exchange, like Bisq but ... not shit
12:05:06 <lithium_pt> the problem is always the same, who wants the tainted XBT?
12:05:26 <yanmaani> Lots of people actually, that's just a myth
12:05:36 <yanmaani> premia for tainted coinjoned whatever are next to 0, if any
12:06:29 <dsc_> yanmaani: you mean the premium of getting your binance blocked?
12:06:31 <lithium_pt> it's not a myth, people have had their accounts closed and lost funds on KYC-Exchanges
12:06:56 <lithium_pt> after depositing tainted coins bought on bisq
12:07:18 <yanmaani> dsc_, lithium_pt: No, it's a myth that the coins are less valuable in the free market
12:07:21 <moneromooo> These things aren't mutually exclusive. People could get their money stolen, yet not care yet about taint.
12:07:39 <yanmaani> It's not the case that exchanging clean coins for XMR gives you better rates
12:07:44 <lithium_pt> I for one, will not touch bisq's bitcoin with a 10 foot pole
12:09:08 <yanmaani> Some people will. The rates are pretty much the same, and the spread is due to Bisq beign shit
12:10:00 <moneromooo> I suspect it might change the day a large enough exchange has two markets: clean BTC and tained BTC. And when you deposit bitcoin, they credit one market or the other based on whether they think it's tainted.
12:10:46 <moneromooo> Not easy though, since taint has degrees.
12:14:08 <charolastra> and who's gonna decide what's tainted?
12:15:49 <endor00[m]> Whoever appoints themselves as regolator
12:16:04 <endor00[m]> * Whoever appoints themselves as regulator
12:16:41 <charolastra> so much for decentralized currency
12:25:18 <dEBRUYNE> moneromooo: https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-gold-staying-clean
12:25:22 <dEBRUYNE> Basically similar line of thinking
12:28:28 <yanmaani> moneromooo: This hasn't happened yet in many years
12:32:04 <moneromooo> I hope that's not your main argument.
12:32:56 <moneromooo> For every single new privacy invasion that happened in the last 20 years, you could have people claim it hadn't happened yet.
12:33:04 <moneromooo> I mean, come on.
12:36:16 <Inge-> I really like the cases where your exchange account gets frozen because of what you did with BTC after withdrawing it from the exchange
12:40:16 <hyc> BTC is hopeless
12:44:20 <kayront> yes hyc
12:44:50 <dsc_> hyc: https://www.deconstructconf.com/2019/dan-luu-files <== has a short lmdb reference somewhere in the talk
12:45:10 <dsc_> 05:50
12:45:15 <kayront> <yanmaani> premia for tainted coinjoned whatever are next to 0, if any --> people by and large don't yet understand what's happening and the repercussions
12:45:22 <kayront> how do I know? they wouldn't use bitcoin if they did, lol
12:45:34 <trashpanda[m]> It would be interesting to see "reverse mixers" that intentionally taint as much BTC as possible, making the fight against tainted BTC untenable
12:46:44 <asymptotically> i think normal mixers already do that :D. nobody sends their clean btc to a mixer
12:47:05 <trashpanda[m]> True, lol
12:47:11 <kayront> and if they were clean, they stop being clear the moment they get associated with a mixer
12:47:13 <kayront> clean*
12:47:35 <kayront> at which point the wrongthinker can be identified and dissuaded from pursuing any privacy in the future
12:51:22 <kayront> yeah, it's not looking good. exchanges are bowing to pressure and most people even in crypto don't get that what we see happening now was always a necessary consequence of lack of fungibility/normalization of transparency-->surveillance
12:53:57 <yanmaani> moneromooo: People have been talking about it for years though
12:54:18 <yanmaani> It's still possible, simply because "bad money will replace good"
12:54:37 <yanmaani> Then people will use tainted coins for buying things and non-tainted coins for saving/investing
12:54:46 <yanmaani> meaning any business will deal with shittons of taint
12:54:59 <yanmaani> meaning either everyone goes chainalysis or the whole thing falls apart. They don't have that clout, yet.
12:55:07 <moneromooo> That seems to be what's happening with gold basde on the article linked above.
12:55:53 <kayront> yanmaani, i don't think you're looking far enough into it. what happens now if you are barred from using a bank account / visa/mastercard? your transactions don't get processed, right?
12:55:59 <moneromooo> Two markets. I suspect the closely guarded one is basically just for large banks and other financial firms, and govts.
12:56:21 <kayront> if you want to be a compliant merchant in the future, you have to confirm the address you're receiving from is not blacklisted
12:56:59 <kayront> they're bullying everyone into attaching private information like name, d.o.b and address on a side channel for exchanges to be compliant, just remember that if you find the above far-fetched
12:57:31 <Inge-> heh. bluetooth scanners have been deployed along norwegian roads, picking up bluetoot devices, and when the same device is picked up multiple times in different places, that is used to calculate travel times.
12:57:35 <Inge-> What could possibly go wrong
12:58:20 <kayront> there seem to be very strong forces at work that don't understand the value of anonymity and privacy online. and that extends to crypto
12:58:29 <kayront> in fact they're outright hostile to the idea
13:01:20 <yanmaani> kayront: What
13:01:48 <yanmaani> Mastercard is centralized
13:02:02 <yanmaani> There's just way too many shady fly by night merchants for this to be workable
13:02:26 <kayront> that they are centralized is the point
13:03:22 <kayront> what good is censorship resistance and unconfiscability (if that's a word) if your coins can be watched in real time (have you been a good boy?) and merchants can be legally prevented from accepting your order if you spend them?
13:03:42 <kayront> these are problems with transparent chains of course, but incidentally that tells you something about the kind of treatment we can expect for opaque ones
13:04:53 <kayront> do you think it's a coincidence KYC is being demanded at every point of entry, and transparent coins have the official seal of approval™ ? with chain analytics making everything transparent not just forward but also backward in time
13:05:40 <kayront> the trend over time will be clearly identifying the owners of addresses, so a distinction becomes possible, is the inbound payment coming from approved™ kyc'd™ addresses? if not, automatically grade that as higher risk
13:23:27 <trashpanda[m]> As long as privacy is not a mainstream option, many legitimate merchants will not adopt digital currencies. Businesses cannot afford to have their financial activities visible to their competitors. In a way, that means that KYC isn't just the enemy of freedom loving individuals, but rather the enemy of the entire digital ecosystem. As long as it exists, masses of businesses will never adopt.
13:29:19 <hyc> dsc_: that referenced report was wrong, it attributed a bug to LMDB that was actually im an old version of ext3fs
13:29:40 <hyc> the actual bug had already been fixed for ~5 years in the mainstream Linux kernel
13:30:55 <hyc> oh wait, actually, this is the other paper, discussed here https://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/201410/msg00004.html
13:31:22 <hyc> anyway, their test was invalid and the error they attributed to LMDB was wrong
14:05:08 <alexanarcho[m]> Hey guys, I am trying to play with the Monero Python Wrapper (https://monero-python.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quickstart.html#connect-to-testnet-for-your-own-safety) and seem to have trouble getting started.
14:05:08 <alexanarcho[m]> I have started the wallet rpc and connected to a trusted daemon, and also tell the rpc where my wallet files are located, but still get this error:
14:05:08 <alexanarcho[m]> ```monero.backends.jsonrpc.RPCError: Method 'get_accounts' failed with RPC Error of unknown code -13, message: No wallet file```
14:06:18 <alexanarcho[m]> my rpc command goes as follows:
14:06:18 <alexanarcho[m]> ```/PATH/TO/monero-wallet-rpc --rpc-bind-port 28083 --disable-rpc-login --rpc-ssl disabled --wallet-dir /PATH/TO/monero/ --daemon-host IPADDR ```
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14:07:34 <alexanarcho[m]> i am also import this ```from monero.wallet import Wallet``` (apparently was not copied)
14:08:52 <dsc_> alexanarcho[m]: Not sure, but I don't understand the argument `--wallet-dir` to the RPC command, shouldnt it point directly to a wallet?
14:09:06 <dsc_> alexanarcho[m]: using --wallet-file
14:09:31 <alexanarcho[m]> nice, is that the file with the .keys extension?
14:11:31 <alexanarcho[m]> million thanks!
14:11:44 <hyc> if you use the --wallet-dir option, then your RPC session must start with an open_wallet RPC
14:12:19 <hyc> (or optionally, a create_wallet RPC)
14:12:21 <alexanarcho[m]> that worked!!!  you also have t specify ```--prompt-for-password ``` to enter password on rpc startup otherwise the thing will bitch and throw you out
14:31:25 <alexanarcho[m]> are payment ids still a thing? the python docs talk about them, but I thought they were phased out.
14:40:42 <hyc> they're deprecated
14:40:55 <hyc> superseded by subaddresses
14:41:14 <alexanarcho[m]> integrated addresses if i read correctly, or is that old too?
14:41:20 <hyc> same
14:42:27 <alexanarcho[m]> so, if i want to give a client a specific invoice, i simply generate a new subadress and ask the rpc if a certain balance is incoing on that address, right_
14:42:43 <hyc> I think that's it, yeah
16:27:18 <louipc> dang what happend to tippero
16:43:32 <alexanarcho[m]> i dont know
16:44:02 <alexanarcho[m]> but i am currently working on a neat livestream tipbot for OBS. this will be a-m-a-z-i-n-g.
16:44:32 <alexanarcho[m]> i love that me as a utter noob can use monero. the documentation is very good and i am just pumped to be part of this community
16:44:43 <louipc> nice
17:07:49 <evolbit> alexanarcho: good to know ;) Looking forward to get some news about that project of yours
17:09:18 <alexanarcho[m]> https://github.com/hundehausen/obs-monero-donations we have a working prototype here, but i am currently reworking all of it. Frontend will be react, backend propably a python flask api or something, not sure about architecture.
17:09:18 <alexanarcho[m]> but the thing is working, see at alexanarcho.live :)
17:11:18 <evolbit> so are you already testing it on the main net?
17:12:36 <evolbit> I saw that you're already rotating the subaddress
17:53:22 <niocbrrrrrr> .seen tippero
18:01:39 <moneromooo> Tippero was last seen ages ago.
18:02:06 <kayront> .seen freedom
18:02:27 <moneromooo> Freedom was last seen in historical movies.
19:51:56 <jatinajwani> hey i submitted funding proposal on ccs is there anything else i have to do?
19:57:47 <moneromooo> Wait for comments. Nothing else I think.
19:58:53 <louipc> .seen louipc
20:01:37 <jatinajwani> i created a design for mnemonic seed backup wallet
20:02:41 <jatinajwani> what u think monero community needs it share ur comments
20:03:22 <dEBRUYNE> Can you provide the direct link to your proposal?
20:47:11 <Inge-> I didn
20:47:48 <Inge-> I couldn't see it in the idea section of the ccs so I wonder where the proposal was made
20:55:48 <niocbrrrrrr> PR that hasn't been added yet?
20:56:23 <niocbrrrrrr> rehrar fixed some CCS issues yesterday
20:56:25 <lza_menace> alexanarcho: is there a STAGENET or TESTNET implementation I could try first?
20:57:24 <rehrar> niocbrrrrrr: if the proposal itself is formatted incorrectly it may not show up.
20:58:28 <lza_menace> jatinajwani: you sure you added it correctly?
20:58:30 <niocbrrrrrr> seems like he has left the channel
20:58:31 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests
20:58:36 <rehrar> It's not here.
20:58:39 <lza_menace> yeah...
20:59:18 <lza_menace> .shrug
21:19:04 <sethsimmons> Cool service that just added support for Monero: https://cypherpunklabs.com/
21:19:17 <sethsimmons> Cool service that just added support for Monero: https://cypherpunklabs.com/
21:42:56 <trashpanda[m]> I was present for a conversation with them, in which they said they don't give you access to the server, which is somewhat concerning. Basically you pay them, and they run a node for you, but you don't get to check the node config or software. So you fully trust them not to spin up a bad node
21:42:56 <trashpanda[m]> Interesting idea though
21:44:43 <trashpanda[m]> * dons his tin-foil hat: could be CIA crowdfunding a bunch of nodes for a sybil attack on TOR
22:24:04 <lord-god-guru> heyy
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22:34:46 <sethsimmons> It’s a great idea that is improved the more transparency and proof they can bake in that the nodes are what they say they are.
22:45:19 <lord-god-guru> quick question
22:45:57 <lord-god-guru> what is the best native desktop wallet to exchange btc & xmr
22:50:45 <sethsimmons> Exchange them in-wallet?
22:51:57 <lord-god-guru> hi seth =)
22:52:02 <lord-god-guru> not sure exactly
22:52:10 <lord-god-guru> whatever is simplest and "least cloud"
22:52:54 <sethsimmons> Ive never used any in-exchange wallets on desktop, only Cake Wallet on mobile.
22:53:12 <sethsimmons> There aren’t any open-source wallets for desktop that support in-wallet exchanges AFAIK
22:53:39 <lord-god-guru> hm
22:53:42 <lord-god-guru> any idea why
22:54:06 <sethsimmons> Normally wallets are distinct from exchanges, for good reason IMO
22:54:31 <sethsimmons> Can always use XMR.to with any wallet to go from XMR->BTC
22:55:18 <sethsimmons> The upcoming Feather wallet for desktop will support XMR.to natively, FWIW, but that won’t be our for a bit
22:55:23 <lord-god-guru> both ways is ideal
22:55:47 <sethsimmons> Would have to do some closed source wallet like Exodus then I think
22:55:54 <sethsimmons> Not sure past that, sorry 🙂
22:56:18 <lord-god-guru> ok
22:56:43 <lord-god-guru> can you explain why wallets and exchanges should be separate
22:57:17 <sethsimmons> Adds a lot of complexity and I don’t need/want an exchange in my wallet personally
22:57:22 <lord-god-guru> cake wallet must be fine, you have used it
22:57:36 <sethsimmons> Yes, I love Cake, but don’t use the exchange features
22:57:51 <sethsimmons> I use exchanges to exchange and wallets to store/pay 🙂
22:57:59 <lord-god-guru> right lol
22:58:06 <sethsimmons> I’m just not personally a fan of the crossover, but no major reason
23:00:35 <lord-god-guru> so is there a "decentralized" option or do i just need "non-custodial"
23:00:56 <lord-god-guru> lost connection there
23:01:22 <sethsimmons> Not sure honestly, as I haven’t used any wallets outside of Cake/Monerujo/native GUI
23:01:32 <sethsimmons> And would never recommend a closed source wallet
23:01:44 <endogenic> havent ever used mymonero ..?
23:01:45 <sethsimmons> But I’m sure others aren’t as strict in what they use
23:01:48 <endogenic> it's the dope
23:02:12 <endogenic> is that how yousay it?
23:02:13 <sethsimmons> Nope not yet, I prefer “full” wallets that rely on my own node exclusively
23:02:25 <sethsimmons> Nothing against MM
23:02:27 <endogenic> oh you just set your own node server in prefs yo
23:02:39 <endogenic> yknow we open sourced the server yrs ago
23:02:42 <endogenic> in a way
23:02:45 <sethsimmons> Oh might have to check it out then 🙂
23:02:45 <endogenic> they
23:02:59 <endogenic> we git the restful api spec in meta
23:03:15 <endogenic> openmonero ftw
23:03:54 <lord-god-guru> a node is like a mirror right
23:04:18 <selsta> there is also https://github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws now
23:04:24 <selsta> but wasn’t able to compile yet
23:04:39 <sethsimmons> It’s just a server that validates and serves the blockchain, lord-god-guru
23:04:51 <lord-god-guru> ok
23:04:57 <sethsimmons> It’s the way to be a part of the peer to peer network that is Monero
23:05:06 <lord-god-guru> right
23:05:13 <lord-god-guru> like bittorrent i presume
23:05:40 <sethsimmons> Sort of, yeah
23:05:52 <lord-god-guru> re: wallets, exchanges, etc. whatever you guys trust i will use
23:06:17 <sethsimmons> Easiest and most trustless is the native GUI/CLI wallets straight from getmonero.org
23:06:39 <sethsimmons> If you want to go past that, Cake Wallet and Monerujo are a bit easier to use and on mobile, which is super nice
23:07:07 <sethsimmons> But honestly the native GUI is very clean, easy to use, and well designed
23:07:49 <lord-god-guru> great
23:08:46 <lord-god-guru> with mymonero i can "pair" with an exchange?
23:09:24 <sethsimmons> Not as far as I know.
23:09:52 <sethsimmons> You can always send/receive from an exchange freely of course
23:10:51 <lord-god-guru> btw
23:11:08 <lord-god-guru> does anyone know when corporations started demanding you send them selfies
23:11:16 <endogenic> yes
23:11:22 <sethsimmons> “KYC” and all that crap
23:11:32 <sethsimmons> Lots of options to avoid it
23:11:41 <sethsimmons> Local Monero, Bisq, etc
23:11:56 <sethsimmons> Or if just exchanging against BTC TradeOgre
23:12:22 <lord-god-guru> hang on writing this down
23:13:10 <lord-god-guru> the selfie thing is very weird
23:13:18 <sethsimmons> Quite 🙂
23:13:29 <lord-god-guru> the first time i encountered it wasn't even related to crypto
23:13:56 <lord-god-guru> hosting, can you believe it
23:14:30 <lord-god-guru> "grant us access to your laptop camera, we will take a picture of your face to prevent fraud"
23:14:33 <lord-god-guru> wait what
23:15:11 <sethsimmons> 😂
23:15:45 <lord-god-guru> lol
23:17:11 <lord-god-guru> tradeogre is just ... an api?
23:17:47 <moneromooo> Is there a list somewhere of which exchanges require KYC, which not, and which claim not but require it anyway ?
23:18:09 <lord-god-guru> that would be amazing moneromooo
23:18:09 <moneromooo> The last category is really the dangerous one that needs a list somewhere...
23:19:54 <lord-god-guru> yeah
23:20:08 <lord-god-guru> checking out tradeogre, it is really a blast from the past
23:25:46 <lord-god-guru> electron: it works, basically
23:34:24 <sethsimmons> https://kycnot.me/
23:34:34 <sethsimmons> Great site for non-KYC exchanges and services
23:34:44 <sethsimmons> lord-god-guru moneromooo ^
23:36:12 <moneromooo> Oooh, good addition to the web. Thanks :)
23:40:21 <lord-god-guru> very nice sethsimmons
23:42:54 <lord-god-guru> does monero-wallet-gui ever lock up for you
23:43:49 <selsta> it should not
23:43:53 <selsta> are you currently syncing?
23:44:14 <selsta> it might if your PC is using lots of resources during sync
23:44:29 <lord-god-guru> creating wallet
23:44:39 <selsta> lock up in what way?
23:44:43 <lord-god-guru> minimal resources, not responding
23:44:55 <selsta> are you using Ledger / Trezor?
23:45:11 <lord-god-guru> i don't think so...
23:45:14 <selsta> ok
23:49:26 <moneromooo> gdb into it (gdb /path/to/monero-wallet-gui `pidof monero-wallet-gui`), then: thread apply all bt
23:49:55 <moneromooo> (and paste the multipage output on a paste site)
23:50:10 <lord-god-guru> maybe i will get a hardware wallet in the future
23:50:10 <lord-god-guru> electron: it works, sometimes
23:50:37 <selsta> the wallet does not use electron
23:53:31 <lord-god-guru> that is nice
23:55:00 <lord-god-guru> sorry moneromooo already force-quit
23:55:53 <lord-god-guru> it happened when i clicked the button to change the wallet destination path
23:56:23 <lord-god-guru> slick ui
23:57:22 <selsta> changing wallet destination path should load your systems file picker, not sure why it hang in that moment but probably not monero related
23:57:38 <selsta> maybe qt or maybe OS bug / other issue
23:57:47 <lord-god-guru> probably
23:58:19 <lord-god-guru> created with defaults, how do i edit now
23:58:42 <lord-god-guru> nvm
23:59:10 <lord-god-guru> path is editable, not name