regarding the announcement of the upcoming regulatory whitepaper: is this paper founded on existing regulatory methodology in EU US etc, and if how did they get this information. Aren't regulators usually interested in keeping there requirements unpublished?

spoke0: What announcement are you referring to? - Also, what do you mean by "Aren't regulators usually interested in keeping there requirements unpublished?"? Isn't it normal to publish drafts so they can be consulted on in parliament and with the public?

regulators like the US Treasury department, they don't publish what requirements are in detail put in place to prevent money laundering throughout US regulated financial services, there is a law in place to prevent money laundering and who should regulate that but there is no public information on what data exactly needs to be provided to which data collection.

the paper was announced in different news portals: securities.io/monero-releasing-guidelines-for-privacy-coins

ah okay I somehow thought you were talking EU, nevermind

EU would be the same, let's take one of the more public EU data collection, SCHENGEN INFORMATION SYSTEM, it is known who can access it for what reason, but there is no information on what exactly is stored and how often new data is added.

when it comes to financial data stuff is only shared with institutions that require a license and are eligiable.

can't read up on that since www.europol.europa.eu is down 😅

emesik come back!

bit unrelated but does anyone know if there's a way to limit the memory usage from "xmrblocks"? Seems to use the same amount as my monero daemon heh

Inge-: did you originally report this issue? LedgerHQ/app-monero #79

did you mean tx creation with tx processing?

Yes this was happening AS the transaction was being created by the Ledger

Also side note, possibly more a monero-wallet-cli issue - once it locks and the ledger has gone to screensaver, even if you unlock the ledger, it was not possible to unlock the "cow screensaver" in the cli wallet

selsta: ^

how to create a v12 paper transaction

how to create a v12 transaction on paper

marqueze31: getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf

is someone kicking me out of this channel?

why?

Some kicked you. Why, I dunno. You'd know, you kicked yourself.

lol

myself? i dont think so

Thought so.

ecook5di

that password is now in everyone's logs

it's in the haveibeenpwned passwords list :P

i will make tinychat part of the future

saddam: can you confirm that you renewed moneroaddress.org?

selsta: yes it was renewed

by me

does the GUI wallet take the fees out of the amount sent, or add it on top?

leonardus: it's added on top. if you enter to send someone 1 XMR, they'll get 1 XMR and you'll lose something like 1.00001 XMR

Understood thanks

Very impressed how low the fees are.

unless you send (all), obviously

but the wallet will show you a dialog with all info before the final confirmation

Hm. seems i took to low fee on a TX, can i add some fees to a tx to speed it up some how?

not if it's been propagated to other nodes, no

not really :/

you cannot do child pays fees either because you cannot receive+spend an output in the same block

crap, Automatic fees seems to not be recommended

in my experience, even lowest gets included fairly quickly in the chain

just wait, it'll be fine

ive got 1 tx waiting for 2 hours, another for 1

no confirmations, but the wallet that i sent it to does have it in pending

not possible, they're not in the pool

as you can see on xmrchain, the oldest tx the network knows about that has yet to be committed is about a minute old

one of them is a tiiinty one that is now blocking a much larger amount to be spended ;D Fucking irritating ;D

yea, this is not a fee issue

are you using tor / i2p?

hmm

i am

i2p

yea I guess the tx didn’t get propagated

CLI or GUI?

GUI

output of monerod print_cn|grep i2p|grep OUT|wc -l ?

can you open in CLI?

the GUI currently has a bug where failed transactions get displayed as pending

<selsta "CLI or GUI?"> is that fixable :S

yes

puh ok

you can delete the transaction from your local txpool, wait until you have outgoing i2p connections, and remake the transaction

or skip step 1 and rebroadcast the old transaction, but you won't be anonymous

well, you will be, but we'll know that transaction with a 2-hour-old timestamp is yours

<artefact "output of monerod print_cn|grep "> 0

you

*will probably notice one/several "Lost all outbound connections to anonymity network - currently unable to send transaction(s)" in your logfile

i see

it's a known issue. you can somewhat mitigate it by using add-priority-node instead of add-peer in your config file, and restarting the daemon before making a transaction

<artefact "you can delete the transaction f"> how do i delete it from my local tx pool?

monerod flush_txpool

egrep -e "i2p" -e "OUT"

and that will bring my "lost" xmr back in to the wallet?

they were never lost, but yeah

yeah i know, Didnt find a better word^

so CLI does not have this bug with failed Tx's?

the issue is with monerod, both wallet interfaces do their job by sending it the tx

arguably maybe they shouldn't allow you to do so when the node can't do anything with it because of a lack of outgoing connections, but that's another issue

i see

monero gui only displays failed tx as "pending", it’s a label issue

the tx failing is not related to monero gui

But it was caused by I2p missing outgoing connection?

yes

no outgoing connection means it can’t propagate your transaction to other nodes

alright, Ah well. no stress

Thanks guys

here's a wild case though. what if the node were to mine a block? the "failed" transaction would be included in it. and afaik blocks are propagated over regular peers?

i know it will never happen, but just for curiosity's sake

5:17:25 PM <monerod[m]> crap, Automatic fees seems to not be recommended

i got 10 confirmations in ~20 minutes with automatic

you get 10 confirmation in ~20 minutes with any setting, really

Yeah, i was wrong, It had nothing to do with fees

artefact: afaik if you mine a block the tx would get propagated

a funny workaround

<artefact "well, you will be, but we'll kno"> Curious as to what you would know more though ? Cant see amount or address sent to ? or am i wrong?

monerod[m]: go to xmrchain.net over tor (if you don't want to link the lookup of your txid)

enter your txid (i didn't follow the entire convo, if this one was not broadcast, pick any older one)

that's what everyone can see about your tx, except they don't even know it's yours, unless it's the person you sent to

there's no public source, no public destination, no public amount, as you'll notice

That is why i am confused about the comment

I really should get into reading how monero works beyond "magic with ring signatures"

sounds really interesting a cryptocurrency where you cannot see the sender or destination or amount in the blockchain

monerod[m]: imagine there were only 5 txs in a block from the timestamp we can infer based on your comments

then one of thr 5 is yours

that's what he meant

but even then, no amounts, no destinations, but one of the ring members is the actual one. but even then we can't be sure which

i see

and soon enough other txs will use your real ring member as decoys, so very soon it becomes unknowable whether it was really you subsequently spending or not