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nakedpony
I have a confession
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nakedpony
I have seen a little bit about "moonero"
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nakedpony
until 2 minutes ago... I was wondering what was up with the cow thing
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nakedpony
I saw a "bitcoin to the moon" thing and i finally got it
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gingeropolous
u mean dis?
monerom.ooo ?
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nakedpony
gingeropolous: hahahaha well I didn't at first, but this is the start of my weekend and I get to kick it off laughing at this cow
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nakedpony
*laughing {with} this cow
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doktoro
has the idea of making Background mining in the gui/cli opt out instead of opt in (if you are running a local node) been talked about? Was thinking about it today and was wondering what the community thought of that? I feel like it would help decentralization and wouldn't really hurt the user at all.
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lza_menace
seems rude, not everyone wants to bog down their system just to use a wallet
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doktoro
Does background mining really bog down systems?
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lza_menace
not much if only a thread on an average spec'ed system
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doktoro
over 60% of the network hashrate is held between 2 pools, and a couple days ago minexmr was at 50%. For everything I love about Monero I'm not a huge fan of this. Bitcoin has a better decentralization of hashpower between pools. :(
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doktoro
A very low mininmum background mining (that you can opt out of if you want) may help. I have not done any research to determine how much it would actually help though.
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lza_menace
depends on the usage patterns of users i guess
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doktoro
True
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lza_menace
i dont really run the gui or cli for prolonged amounts of time
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lza_menace
I get in, refresh against the chain, make transfers, then exit
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lza_menace
or sometimes just refresh the chain and exit
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doktoro
Yeah, refresh chain and then low background mine until gui/cli is turned off. Not sure how big of a change to the network that would actually have in practice.
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doktoro
When Making a wallet it could give you a prompt telling you that your wallet will background mine until the wallet is turned off and the benefits of mining and give you an opt out option.
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lza_menace
I'm sure people much smarter than you or I have already thought about this in depth :)
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doktoro
that's why I asked in my first message if the idea has been talked about. I wanted to hear what the concensus was. I'm sure it's been discussed but I personally have not seen talk about it.
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lza_menace
gotcha - try asking in #monero-pools
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lza_menace
some of those large pool operators hang out there
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endor00[m]
Meanwhile I can't seem to be able to disable automatic background mining in my cli wallet every time I open it
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endor00[m]
I try the 'set <whatever>' command but it doesn't seem to stick for some reason
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selsta
endor00[m]: make sure to use latest version and use `exit` to close the wallet
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endor00[m]
I think I built from the 16.0.3 tag. I'll look into it
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artefact
would it really make a difference? let's assume 6k nodes running at... 80% uptime with an average cpu, maybe 4 kh/s. that's 20 megahashes per sec, or about 1% of the total hashrate
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selsta
artefact: automatic background mining is a wallet feature
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artefact
yeah, so the uptime would be even worse
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Inge-
Hm. I got "failed" on a transaction
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Inge-
No idea why
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artefact
especially once the average user realises he's spending extra power/heat for mostly nothings when he opens his wallet
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artefact
that or distro will patch it out
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selsta
is it disabled by default anyway
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selsta
Inge-: are you using your own node?
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artefact
yes. i was commenting wrt morning's backlog
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Inge-
selsta: yes
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artefact
--tx-proxy?
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Inge-
selsta: I tried to just re-do the same tx, and then the receiving wallet got notified of a possible double-spend. It did get mined however
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Inge-
so somewhat uncertain if the failure was wallet or node, and if it was the first or second attempt that actually got mined.
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Inge-
Another thing: Ledger can go to locked state *while* processing a tx
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Inge-
i.e. it seems the "screensaver timeout" is counting even if it is processing a tx
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selsta
maybe you can open an issue on their issue tracker
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selsta
they have a new dev which seems to be a bit more active
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Inge-
Yeah I saw there was a changing of the guard
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selsta
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asymptotically
Inge-: i noticed that too, i couldn't even unlock it when i woke it back up because it decided to run sooo slowly
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asymptotically
that it couldn't detect both of the buttons being pressed at once
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Inge-
heh. try using it to sweep_below a few hundred transactions :D
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Inge-
Hm. takes far longer than I am used to, for a tx sent to my node, to end up in the mempool somewhere out there
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selsta
should take a bit longer due to dandelion++
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selsta
but only a couple seconds in theory
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Inge-
aah yes that would explain it
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Inge-
From what version is dandelion++ activated?
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selsta
v0.16
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Inge-
noice
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Inge-
anyone heard from m2049 and gang lately? Have been real quiet for like 1.5 years or so?
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selsta
he is still putting out updates
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Inge-
yes, which is great!
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selsta
he is busy with his job
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Inge-
I try to remember to donate, but have been forgetful of late
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selsta
that’s the last thing I heard 1 year ago
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Inge-
I wonder if MS telemetry is now in breach of GDPR
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» moneromooo stabs firefox loading random pages from mozilla.org to.... tell me about privacy. Hypocrits.
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artefact
how so? they're not perfect but still one of the better ones in that regard
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artefact
the cloudflare dns thing though... not sure about that brilliant idea
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moneromooo
Oh the rest are worse maybe. I'm not claiming any ranking.
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moneromooo
But auto opening pages (because it's more than one) to the mothership wihtout asking me is @&!*#$.
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artefact
that's annoying for sure.
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moneromooo
Especially when it's to tell me they care about my privacy.
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moneromooo
And these are the poeple that auto installed some blob to play mp4. Which would auto update silently.
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moneromooo
Who suddenly disabled the "no images" setting. And IIRC the "no javascript" setting.
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artefact
firefox is the only browser that 100% works with umatrix, so i don't really have a choice. also linux is definitely a 2nd class citizen wrt new cool features regarding hw accel
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moneromooo
Every once in a while, FF fucks you over.
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moneromooo
But sure, there's worse. Google, Cloudflare, MS.
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moneromooo
Facebook. Doubleclick (oh, I already said google).
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artefact
i still respect mozilla. back then it took some balls to release the netscape codebase. and it worked
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moneromooo
Silently disabling the "no js" seting was really heinous. All of a sudden, everyone could run their code on your computer.
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artefact
i think browsers have become too bloated and too full of code debt, but that's another issue
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artefact
that is indeed unacceptable. you don't use some kind of addon for that? (noscript, umatrix, requestpolicy)
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moneromooo
Oh, and adding a trap button next to the downloads button. Misclick and the current URL gets uploaded to some third party website, aloing with your IP. Seriously, from people who claim they respect your privacy.
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moneromooo
Happened to me a couple times. My fault, admittedly, but made way too easy.
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artefact
i agree, the pocket thing was idiotic
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artefact
good thing you can more or less move/remove any button in the ui to wherever you want
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moneromooo
Oh. I didn't know that.
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moneromooo
Oh, and it seems like it relaods the favicon (which I do not carea bout) every time you move the mouse over a tab.
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moneromooo
Which I often do on old tabs, just to close them. And I can't find how to add the close button to non current tabs again, despite poring over an old config where it still works.
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artefact
mine dosen't- i host a few services locally so i'd see it in the journal
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moneromooo
So if you want to clean up tabs, boom, your old visited URL goes to the network.
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artefact
could be some addon or obscure setting i changed years ago though
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artefact
one thing i always forget, is that the resistFingerprinting setting also changes your reported timezone to utc+0. this got me in trouble a few times, as my boss uses services like doodle a lot
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moneromooo
Oh, and the time when it started parsing/displaying PDF files instead of asking you where to save them.
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moneromooo
Of course, I want to have you parse a complex format in the browser you twat.
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moneromooo
Since then a couple exploits were in that code, not unexpectedly.
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artefact
to the average user, the limited pdf thingy that runs in the sandboxed tab is probably safer than whatever other pdf reader software they use
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artefact
i'd say this is a good thing overall
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moneromooo
It did not ask.
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moneromooo
It just needs to ask *once*.
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moneromooo
Same for the disabling or js, images, etc settings. If what you're going to do has an impact on security or privacy, and you're a gui, ask.
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artefact
you're too smart for your own good, i think ;-) the devs just think "the average user won't know"
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moneromooo
That makes me think, maybe we should have a "set enable-openalias" in the wallet. Off by default.
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selsta
Having an option to disable openalias is probably a good idea though I disagree to disable it by default.
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moneromooo
Oh, it'd tell you what to do.
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selsta
That would work.
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moneromooo
But if enabled it will query DNS with the destintation, which you might not expect if you don't know how it works. And your ISP will know if it's not DNSSEC.
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moneromooo
Well, even with DNSSEC. I don't think it's encrypted.
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artefact
uhhh dnssec afaik is clear signature
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artefact
DOT/DOH isn't
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fluffypony
correct
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fluffypony
dnscrypt / DoT / DoH / DoTor are all good
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Inge-
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lakesh
for me that i'm connected on external daemon how to print_block ....
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moneromooo
Can you rephrase ?
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lakesh
i have wallet-cli connected on external daemon
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lakesh
node.xmr
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moneromooo
And you want to print a block ?
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lakesh
yes
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lakesh
block number 11111
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moneromooo
You might be lucky with the console: ./utils/python/console node.xmr 18081
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moneromooo
daemon.get_block_header(1111)
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moneromooo
daemon.get_block_header_by_height(1111)
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lakesh
whereis utils
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moneromooo
Well, you get some of the block data I ugess.
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moneromooo
That's a subdirectory of the root monero tree.
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lakesh
i donwloaded binary
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lakesh
ah
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moneromooo
Ah. Then you get to run your own daemon. Or check xmrchain.net.
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lakesh
blockchain is 80gb
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moneromooo
You could also run monerod in proxy mode.
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moneromooo
Pruned, it's only ~25 to 30 GB.
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lakesh
the problem is the size
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lakesh
i must download and prune
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moneromooo
Proxy mode does not download (not really recommended though, but if you dib't have the space...).
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lakesh
ok proxy mode
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lakesh
i dont have lot of money so no big risk
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moneromooo
Can't recall the options rn, let me check.
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asymptotically
lakesh: what do you want to do with the block?
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moneromooo
--bootstrap-daemon-addres node.xmr --no-sync
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lakesh
to c txid
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moneromooo
Then you can run "print_block 11111" and it'll proxy to the other daemon.
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lakesh
this is for wallet-cli
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moneromooo
Which can lie to you of course since you don't check as you don't sync.
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moneromooo
Yeah you'd do that from monerod.
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lakesh
this is saying "SYNCHRONIZATION started"
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moneromooo
Might do. It should not actually sync with --no-sync though. It'll just proxy RPC.
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lakesh
print_block 21642Error: Unsuccessful
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moneromooo
What does "status" say ?
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lakesh
Height: 35570/2164575 (1.6%) on mainnet, bootstrapping from node.xmr:0, local height: 35570 (1.6%), not mining, net hash 171.51 kH/s, v1, 8(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 3m 13s
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moneromooo
Oh, it's actually syncing, looks like.
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lakesh
what to do
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moneromooo
Guess you quit.
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lakesh
exit
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asymptotically
did you forget the .to after your daemon address too?
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moneromooo
The :0 is odd. Add :18081.
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moneromooo
(to the daemon address)
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lakesh
./monerod --bootstrap-daemon-addres node.xmr --no-sync
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lakesh
./monerod --bootstrap-daemon-addres node.xmr:18081 --no-sync
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moneromooo
Looks right.
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moneromooo
Maybe it's a bug that it syncs even with --no-sync.
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» moneromooo never used that facility
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lakesh
same
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lakesh
again is syncing
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lakesh
there is print_tx on wallet-cli ?
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asymptotically
you could look it up on an online block explorer like xmrchain.net too
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moneromooo
There is show_transfer, which only works for your own txs (sent or received).
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moneromooo
show_transfers will show you an abridged version of all your txes.
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moneromooo
show_transfer TXID for details.
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lakesh
yes good command but when u do monerod print_tx u have more infos
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moneromooo
Yes. Incentive to run your node :)
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lakesh
i cant download pruned blockchain somewhere
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selsta
you can sync with --prune-blockchain, it will not download and prune afterwards it will prune from the beginning
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lakesh
the size of pruned will be not bigger than 25gb ?
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selsta
it will be 27GB or so
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lakesh
ok
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selsta
but not bigger, no
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selsta
it will get bigger over time but only slowly
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lakesh
i have no choice
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selsta
make sure to use v0.16.0.3
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lakesh
ok
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lakesh
what else to insert on command line except --pruned-blcockhain
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selsta
prune-blockchain not pruned-blockchain
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msavoritias[m]
<lakesh "what else to insert on command l"> Did you write it like that? Because its written wrong here
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lakesh
ah yes --prune-blockchain
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selsta
nothing necessary
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lakesh
thnx all