01:40:41 <hyc> when not mining it shouldn't use more than 512MB
10:42:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Maybe this quite interesting list is common knowledge, but I saw it for the first time today: https://fiatmarketcap.com/
11:29:52 <artefact> what counts as money? M0? M1? M3?
11:47:09 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Looks like M2 if I compare the number given for the USD with this here: https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/money-supply-m0
12:39:52 <bigslim[m]> Wow someone really likes wownero on TradeOgre
12:40:07 <asymptotically> the future is wow :)
12:40:32 <bigslim[m]> The next best thing since sliced bread maybe
13:21:44 <sethsimmons> Inge-: definitely want to see your results :D
13:22:13 <Inge-> sethsimmons: I did a sync right after one of the releases, and then it took like 1 hour from start to finish. SSD + reasonably OK cpu.
13:22:30 <sethsimmons> On your monster rig?
13:22:35 <sethsimmons> 1h is nuts
13:22:51 <sethsimmons> I've seen 4-6 on my crappy NVMe drive and 1950X
13:22:56 <sethsimmons> But its always running other nodes/procs at the same time
13:22:57 <Inge-> I think the hashes or whatever is included to help has a lot to do with it just after release
13:23:15 <Inge-> at least it seemed to me that it synced far faster JUST after release, than the next time I tried it
13:23:19 <sethsimmons> True, you get a more recent checkpoint after a major release
13:23:28 <sethsimmons> But still have to validate a bunch either way
13:27:04 <Inge-> I think I got like 1 hr on this same hw just after relase, but like 4 hours later. and quite similar on ssd + xeon E5-2670
13:36:27 <Inge-> cooling is definitely not up-to-snuff on that box. shut down all the cpu-hogs, cpu low powering down to about 1Ghz on all cores and struggling to get cpu cores below 70C
13:37:06 <Inge-> resumed monerod and immediate jump to 100C on one core. Sigh.
13:37:33 <sethsimmons> no you have to make some physical change
13:37:52 <Inge-> indeed
13:37:55 <sethsimmons> No CPU should reach 100C, that means your cooling setup is very broken.
13:38:01 <sethsimmons> I'd turn it off immediately if I was you
13:38:22 <Inge-> hah. I ran my xeons around 100c for weeks. I wonder how much life I took out of them
13:38:25 <sethsimmons> it's just thermal throttling to save itself ATM
13:39:45 <Inge-> hm. it is an Intel NUC. so check fan and replace thermal paste I guess.
13:40:26 <sethsimmons> Yeah, and clean up dust
13:40:37 <sethsimmons> But probably needs new paste, or the cooler just isn't seated properly.
13:40:54 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "hah. I ran my xeons around 100c "> :X yikes, poor CPU ☹️
13:42:56 <Inge-> yeah that was a failing fan. But those things are rugged. been running 24/7 for quite a few years.
13:43:09 <Inge-> and pretty much 100% cpu since .. Nov 30th last year
13:43:27 <Inge-> but at a somewhat nicer 77-78C
13:44:15 <sethsimmons> much better 🤣
13:48:39 <Inge-> unfortunately the 3970x is a bad boy to cool, so it mostly runs around 80C
13:48:55 <Inge-> hoping for better cooling solutions in the future.
13:49:39 <sethsimmons> Eh thats not bad at all, you just lose some performance for higher temps
13:49:52 <sethsimmons> What are you using to cool that? Custom LC loop or a high-end air cooler?
13:50:04 <Inge-> just high end noctua with TR4 baseplate
13:50:06 <Inge-> so air
13:50:33 <Inge-> with an extra fan, but not .. a fan of that fan - as it provides a bit of an irritating noise, and doesn't help all that much
13:50:51 <Inge-> so hoping for a nice TR4 style water cooling solution in the future.
13:51:05 <sethsimmons> yeah a push/pull would help a bit but that's a LOT of TDP to get away from the CPU lol
13:51:12 <sethsimmons> Would probably have to build a custom LC loop
13:51:27 <sethsimmons> To get better temps out of it assuming you have good fans/paste on the Noctua already
13:58:24 <Inge-> yeah not sure what I can improve on the fan front here now. with dual fans doing push-pull over the heat sink
13:58:35 <Inge-> and good airflow through the case.
14:00:28 <asymptotically> i use a 50cm box fan on my pc, makes quite a big difference :D
14:05:00 <Inge-> lol I'm sure
14:06:28 <Inge-> sethsimmons: 58% now. around block 1 270 500 not sure what the bottleneck is. CPU is just cruising along at 1.1GHZ
14:07:02 <sethsimmons> Yeah it never maxes out any CPU I've used
14:07:10 <sethsimmons> It's normally just IO AFAICT
14:07:32 <Inge-> well, it does intermittent spikes up to 4ghz and short jumps to 100C, but mostly sticks around 70c and low speed
14:12:03 <sethsimmons> oof shut that poor thing down
14:15:15 <Inge-> hm. disk queue length seems to be only 0.32
17:14:30 <Inge-> sethsimmons: still running, 94% now. I also started a test run on the Threadripper/nvme raid
17:23:37 <sethsimmons> nice
17:23:44 <sethsimmons> pretty quick overall it seems!
17:25:02 <Inge-> yeah not too bad, with the SSD and decent internet. Given it some competition now.
17:25:07 <Inge-> TR: 29%
17:25:15 <Inge-> NUC: 94%
17:25:29 <sethsimmons> Its a race :D
17:26:59 <Inge-> 100K blocks left vs 1.4m blocks left ... I'd be pretty sad if the NUC doesn't win easy. up to 60-75% is fairly quick, but then it gets thorny for a while.
17:29:20 <Inge-> heh. at 40% of the blocks, only 6GB of space used.
17:39:19 <Inge-> NUC: 95%  TR: 57%
17:42:50 <sethsimmons> Come on TR you can do it
17:46:20 <Inge-> has about 10x as many transactions to go
17:46:49 <Inge-> heh. the NUC can boost to 4Ghz, so not much of a clock speed advantage (assuming cooling works ...)
17:47:22 <sethsimmons> Yeah, but clock speed isn't a very useful metric these days
17:47:30 <sethsimmons> Thats a mobile CPU vs a server CPU
17:47:37 <sethsimmons> And a beast of a server CPU at that
17:47:46 <Inge-> sure. but like 95% of it isn't helping :P
17:48:06 <sethsimmons> Touche :P
17:48:43 <artefact> yeah. my old atom laptop is maybe half the clockrate but more than 10x slower on useful work
17:48:55 <artefact> like compiling a tex document
17:49:17 <sethsimmons> Yeah can't compare at all on clockrate
17:49:30 <sethsimmons> Especially since boost is very variable, so boost clocks are even worse of a comparison
17:51:23 <Inge-> heh. the TR is slowing down now around 60&
17:51:25 <Inge-> 60%
17:51:51 <sethsimmons> yeah thats where you start having to actually do some work :P
18:13:49 <Inge-> NUC: 97%  TR: 64%
18:27:14 <fahrradflucht> \quit
18:27:17 <fahrradflucht> \exit
18:32:05 <Inge-> try /
18:33:53 <artefact> #monero /exit
18:34:07 <artefact> messed up the joke. too bad heh
18:45:28 <Inge-> NUC: 98% (39K left) TR: 68% (689K left)
18:52:21 <sethsimmons> there's still hope
18:57:38 <Inge-> Fading fast, unless the TR does an amazing comeback at the end
19:01:29 <moneromooo> Are they on the same LAN ? Maybe the TR could launch a DoS attack against the other...
19:02:15 <asymptotically> the threadripper could try heating up your room to kill the nuc. like a fever and a virus
19:02:41 <moneromooo> Oooh, deniable out of band attack, clever.
19:27:08 <Inge-> Like bees killing murder hornets
19:28:04 <Inge-> NUC: 98% (23.6K)  TR: 74% (544K)
19:41:15 <d4ndo[m]> I like water-cooling. Simply because it is much more comfortable to mount.
19:41:55 <d4ndo[m]> There is no difference in performance.
19:44:57 <Inge-> I can tell you that the 280mm radiator with fans on my water cooling AIOs are way more silent than the Noctua fan cooler, when both run at full tilt
19:45:16 <Inge-> TR is speeding up now, currently at 78%
19:50:26 <textmate[m]> Is anyone here from /biz/
19:58:29 <artefact> i'm here from /r9k/. (no, not really.)
20:11:57 <Inge-> NUC: 99% (12K)  TR: 93% (140K)
20:15:58 <Inge-> NUC: 11K   TR: 100K
20:16:36 <Inge-> looks like it the TR + raid0 nvme might get the upper hand after all
20:16:51 <sethsimmons> wow
20:19:07 <Inge-> NUC: 10K  TR: 72K
20:23:52 <Inge-> NUC: 8K7  TR: 39K
20:35:34 <Inge-> those last 30K blocks are pretty tough for the TR as well
20:35:59 <Inge-> NUC: 4K8  TR: 29K
20:51:12 <Inge-> Aaaand the NUC takes the win, with 25K odd blocks remaining for the TR
20:53:56 <Inge-> 7.5 hours full sync from scratch
22:55:35 <msvb-lab> We finally got BTC working for payments at shop.monerodevices.com today (for pre Defcon badge distribution.) Still no XMR, no COD, no SEPA, sorry.
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23:22:37 <textmate[m]> <msvb-lab "We finally got BTC working for p"> based