07:45:34 <samarth99> hi
07:45:53 <samarth99> can anynone tell me how to earn or buy monero
07:47:08 <Mochi101> samarth99, you can mine it.. or you can buy it from places like localmonero.co or a proper exchange
07:47:25 <Mochi101> Depends on your situation.
07:48:19 <Mochi101> You can earn it by making a proposal on the community funding system and hoping people like it and fund you.
07:52:56 <samarth99> Mochi101, Thanks
08:04:32 <Steven_M> Hi, what's the maximum ring size you can set these days?
08:05:33 <strike> 12
08:05:38 <strike> it's also the minimum
08:12:03 <Steven_M> strike: oh, if it's 12 no matter what, what's the ring_size option for in the transfer command then?
08:13:20 <strike> its outdated and doesnt do anything
08:13:21 <boldsuck> samarth99 you can trade BTC/XMR on bisq anonym
08:16:37 <Steven_M> strike: okay thanks :-)
08:46:38 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Just a little nitpicking: Current Monero consensus ringsize is 11, not 12. That's 1 (your true spend) plus 10 decoys.
09:21:18 <moneromooo> It does do something. You need it if you want to spend old outputs where you don't have >= 10 others on the chain.
09:25:04 <Mochi101> Are there any best practices for keeping outputs "fresh" ?
09:51:07 <fluffypony> consume within 7 days of opening, else try freezing them
09:51:19 <fluffypony> best served with a crisp Chardonnay
09:51:43 <Steven_M> moneromooo: I'm not good at understanding outputs, how do you know if you have old outputs fitting that criteria?
09:52:02 <Steven_M> fluffypony: LOL :-)
09:56:46 <Steven_M> Mochi101: I think you're suppose to send your own XMR to yourself a few times to freshen outputs, but I could be getting different concepts muddled together.
09:56:57 <moneromooo> It'll tell you it can't find enough outs.
09:58:02 <Mochi101> Steven_M, yeah that's churning.
09:58:23 <Steven_M> moneromooo: okay, thanks. :-)
09:59:22 <Steven_M> Mochi101: in your quetion were you asking about
10:00:20 <Steven_M> Mochi101: in your quetion were you asking about churning, or did I misunderstand?
10:01:10 <Mochi101> Maybe I didn't state my question quite right.
10:01:19 <Mochi101> It's probably not important.
10:01:50 <Mochi101> Pretty much every time I try to spend XMR I get the "at least one old output" warning.
10:03:43 <moneromooo> Hmm. It should only complain when it's >= 2.
10:04:11 <Mochi101> recent update moneromooo ?
10:04:25 <moneromooo> What are you asking about a recent update ?
10:04:40 <Mochi101> A change from one old output warning to two/
10:05:05 <moneromooo> I don't know. If this changed so, then it's good.
10:06:27 <Steven_M> Mochi101: does churning not help?
10:07:00 <Mochi101> Maybe if you choose your own outputs to spend.
10:08:14 <Mochi101> but when you have >500 outputs in your wallet there is a lot for it to randomly choose from when you do go to spend.
10:09:23 <Steven_M> Mochi101: I'm stumped. What should Mochi101 do moneromooo?
10:12:39 <moneromooo> If spending more than one, I'd self-spend one of them first. Otherwise, nothing.
10:12:43 <Mochi101> 839 unspent outputs in my wallet... oldest one going back to 1826500...
10:16:13 <Mochi101> and one that has a lot more txs on it still has an output going back to 1929900
10:16:36 <Mochi101> Does it just pick a random one to spend moneromooo ?
10:17:18 <Mochi101> Wouldn't it be best if it automatically tried to spend the oldest output that most closely matched the amount of the tx?
10:19:21 <moneromooo> Maybe. There's a huge amount of wouldn't it be best.
10:19:29 <Mochi101> hehehe
10:19:40 <Mochi101> yeah :)
10:21:42 <Mochi101> You think there's a need for people to know how to prepare a wallet for "rapid" transaction volume and it not to get locked?
10:22:26 <moneromooo> I know many people moan when they have to wait.
10:22:31 <Mochi101> A "How to selectively break outputs into more outputs" tutorial sort of thing?
10:23:00 <moneromooo> There is at least one of those on monero.stackechange.com.
10:23:07 <Mochi101> is there?
10:23:31 <moneromooo> That question is hard to answer non sarcastically.
10:23:48 <Mochi101> You know you can always be sarcastic with me.
10:24:02 <moneromooo> That reply was in itself sarcastic.
10:25:29 <moneromooo> Oh I missed a x this time, not a d. My keyboard's d key sucks since a couple days ago.
10:25:46 <Mochi101> searching for something on monero.staxexchange.com but... hmm
10:25:56 <Mochi101> er
10:25:59 <Mochi101> you know the URL
10:26:01 <moneromooo> And you put too much x. Balances I guess.
10:27:04 <moneromooo> Anyway, boils down to adding a number (amount of outputs to create) somewhere in the transfer command. help transfer should show where.
10:29:58 <Mochi101> I was thinking of a tutorial on sweep_single and why/how it's useful.
10:31:02 <moneromooo> Or not useful. It's not clear how best to use it.
10:32:24 <Mochi101> So if you are preparing a new wallet for your online casino and expect a lot of action... you send a fresh 20 XMR to the new wallet and then use sweep_single to break up the single output in the new wallet into smaller outputs so that your wallet is never locked.
10:33:12 <Mochi101> Can be other services too... obviously.
10:33:29 <Mochi101> anywhere where you might have to send XMR to people
10:37:11 <Mochi101> probably beyond what most people will want to do with their wallet though
10:57:06 <Steven_M> Goodnight all. :-)
11:06:23 <jbg> apart from r/monero, what are some good places to announce a service that has recently added monero support?
11:07:47 <selsta> jbg: message rehrar to get it added to https://revuo-monero.com
11:07:48 <moneromooo> Here would be fine I guess.
11:07:56 <selsta> also the getmonero links to a lot of services
11:11:58 <jbg> thanks, i'll contact revuo-monero and getmonero
11:14:14 <asymptotically> jbg: easiest way for getmonero.org is https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/new/choose
11:17:09 <jbg> thanks!
11:17:45 <dEBRUYNE> jbg: You can freely announce on r/monero, yes
18:29:09 <Mochi101> .usd