01:56:28 <Steven_M> Hi all. :-)
04:06:35 <bigslim[m]> Long time not visiting this room
07:36:55 <hanimposo> I am having difficulty with the procedure described at https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/importing_blockchain.html. The instructions say to run the command monero-blockchain-import --input-file from the wallet folder.
07:42:48 <hanimposo> When I run that command from my wallet folder I get 'monero-blockchain-import' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
07:42:48 <hanimposo> operable program or batch file.
07:43:52 <lza_menace> sounds like the binary is not in your command prompt or terminal
07:43:55 <lza_menace> windows or linux?
07:44:46 <hanimposo> Windows
07:45:02 <ndorf> the instructions should be fixed IMO, i think it means location of your "wallet software" not your wallet
07:45:04 <hanimposo> the binary is in the folder where the executables are
07:45:21 <hanimposo> but the instructions say to run it from the folder where the wallet is
07:45:28 <hanimposo> ok
07:45:51 <ndorf> "Your path may be different depending on where you decided to download your wallet and what version of the Monero wallet you have."
07:46:25 <ndorf> hopefully you didn't download your wallet, so it must be talking about the wallet software, i.e. the monero gui
07:46:25 <hanimposo> monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.16.0.0
07:46:47 <ndorf> anyway. if you don't know where that is, just use the find files feature and search for monero-blockchain-import.exe
07:47:58 <hanimposo> I have run it from "C:\Program Files\Monero GUI Wallet\monero-blockchain-import.exe"
07:48:07 <ndorf> and? did it work?
07:52:07 <hanimposo> It did run, up to this point...C:\Program Files\Monero GUI Wallet>monero-blockchain-import --input-file "C:\Users\jeff\Downloads\blockchain.raw" verify 0
07:52:07 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.015 I Starting...
07:52:07 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.016 I database: LMDB
07:52:07 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.016 I verify:  true
07:52:07 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.018 I batch:   true  batch size: 5000
07:52:09 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.018 I resume:  true
07:52:10 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.019 I nettype: mainnet
07:52:12 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.019 I bootstrap file path: C:\Users\jeff\Downloads\blockchain.raw
07:52:14 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.020 I database path:       C:\ProgramData\bitmonero
07:52:16 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.021 I Loading blockchain from folder C:\ProgramData\bitmonero\lmdb ...
07:52:20 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.072 I Loading checkpoints
07:52:22 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.081 I bootstrap file recognized
07:52:24 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.082 I bootstrap::file_info size: 4
07:52:26 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.083 I bootstrap file v0.1
07:52:28 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.083 I bootstrap magic size: 4
07:52:30 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.083 I bootstrap header size: 1024
07:52:32 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:30:50.084 I Scanning blockchain from bootstrap file...
07:52:34 <hanimposo> block height: 1968799
07:52:36 <hanimposo> Done scanning bootstrap file
07:52:39 <hanimposo> Full header length: 1028 bytes
07:52:41 <hanimposo> Scanned for blocks: 59216999345 bytes
07:52:43 <hanimposo> Total:              59217000373 bytes
07:52:44 <hanimposo> Number of blocks: 1968800
07:52:46 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.888 I bootstrap file last block number: 1968799 (zero-based height)  total blocks: 1968800
07:52:51 <hanimposo> Preparing to read blocks...
07:52:53 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.890 I bootstrap file recognized
07:52:55 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.890 I bootstrap::file_info size: 4
07:52:57 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.891 I bootstrap file v0.1
07:52:59 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.891 I bootstrap magic size: 4
07:53:01 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.892 I bootstrap header size: 1024
07:53:03 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.892 I start block: 1613040  stop block: 1968799
07:53:05 <hanimposo> 2020-07-08 07:33:23.893 I Reading blockchain from bootstrap file...
07:53:07 <hanimposo> block 1628670 / 1968799
07:53:19 <hanimposo> i didnt get a cursor back yet
07:55:47 <hanimposo> and the monero-blockchain-import.exe is using about 10% of the cpu
08:00:01 <ndorf> did you export the blockchain yourself? otherwise do not use verify 0
08:04:25 <hanimposo> I downloaded it from https://downloads.getmonero.org/blockchain.raw;
08:04:38 <hanimposo> I figured it was trusted
08:04:50 <hanimposo> If you downloaded the Blockchain from a trusted, reputable source you may set verify 0 this will reduce the amount of time to sync the Blockchain.
08:05:58 <hanimposo> I think the instructions from https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/importing_blockchain.html need some correcting
08:06:15 <ndorf> i don't disagree. they seem very old, referencing v0.10.x
08:06:27 <ndorf> anyway, getmonero.org is a trusted source but you also have to trust https, the server software, etc.
08:06:46 <ndorf> personally i would only use verify 0 on a file that i exported myself
08:07:17 <ndorf> why did you download it anyway? usually it is much faster to just sync over the p2p network
08:08:12 <hanimposo> I thought it was faster.
08:08:43 <ndorf> it's not. you only download from one server, instead of 8 or more peers
08:08:55 <ndorf> but now that you already have it, you might as well import it
08:09:19 <ndorf> like i said though, i would not use verify 0. it will take a lot longer though
08:10:59 <hanimposo> 490012 blocks remaining
08:13:11 <hanimposo> [2020-07-08 4:09 AM] 2020-07-08 08:09:12.582 I Monero 'Nitrogen Nebula' (v0.16.0.0-release)
08:13:11 <hanimposo> Height: 1644032, target: 2137563 (76.9115%)
08:13:11 <hanimposo> Downloading at 706 kB/s
08:13:11 <hanimposo> Next needed pruning seed: 3
08:13:11 <hanimposo> 8 peers
08:15:38 <hanimposo> The instructions there REALLY need to be updated
08:19:23 <hanimposo> >>> status
08:19:23 <hanimposo> [2020-07-08 4:18 AM] 2020-07-08 08:18:09.752 I Monero 'Nitrogen Nebula' (v0.16.0.0-release)
08:19:23 <hanimposo> Height: 1684072/2137567 (78.8%) on mainnet, not mining, net hash 588.60 MH/s, v7, update needed, 8(out)+0(in) connections, uptime 0d 0h 9m 1s
09:37:40 <franbird> hi guys so i setup my ledger nano s with monero gui on windows 10
09:37:47 <franbird> but had to format my PC
09:37:59 <franbird> now I restored the hardware wallet but my XMR seems to have disappeared
09:38:11 <franbird> it says daemon is synchronized
09:38:14 <moneromooo> "I figured it was trusted" - that's how scammers get you
09:38:32 <franbird> the primary account address appears to be exactly the same
09:38:42 <franbird> it is the same and matches on my ledger nano S
09:39:20 <moneromooo> franbird: what is your refresh-from-block-height setting ? Not sure where it is in the gui. Try options/settings.
09:39:47 <franbird> should be default? i'm beginner so never changed anything like that
09:42:45 <franbird> strange, just had to close gui and reopen
09:42:49 <franbird> sorry about that
09:42:55 <franbird> thanks for the idea/help moneromooo
09:48:49 <moneromooo> That is unexpected...
09:50:06 <franbird> i think my malwarebytes was messing with it
09:52:08 <moneromooo> You could report a bug if it has a false positive.
09:53:01 <franbird> it complained about 167.172.158.X IP
09:54:57 <franbird> on top of basically every file in program files when it was first installed LOL
09:58:21 <dEBRUYNE> franbird: Did you already look at? https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10598/how-do-i-restore-recreate-my-ledger-monero-wallet
09:58:35 <franbird> yeah i worked it yesterday
09:58:53 <franbird> today was just waiting for gui to finish downloading
09:59:45 <dEBRUYNE> But do you see your proper balance now or?
09:59:54 <franbird> yessir it returned
10:00:22 <dEBRUYNE> Ok cool
10:07:36 <Steven_M> Hi all :-)
10:26:35 <franbird> hi Steven_M
10:27:22 <Steven_M> franbird: how are you? :)
10:27:42 <franbird> good i just sent my first payment through xmr.to
10:28:31 <Steven_M> franbird: useful isn't it? :)
10:28:59 <franbird> why are they so generous with covering the bitcoin fees?
10:30:22 <Steven_M> loyal to the cause I guess.
10:34:45 <hanimposo> Why are there Trojans detected in the install?
10:35:07 <moneromooo> Because various malware embeds a monero miner as payload.
10:35:28 <moneromooo> And AV companies can't be arsed fixing false positives.
10:36:53 <moneromooo> Admittedly, the more stuff they flag, regardless of the false positive rate as long as it's not wildly off, increase the user's sense of being under assault, and he user's feeling that the software really is protecting the computer. So... they're incentivized to not care about false positives that don't cause a lot of collateral damage.
10:38:04 <Steven_M> moneromooo: well put
10:38:20 <moneromooo> So what you should do in this case, because you're faced with contradictory information, is double check the digital signatures on your binaries you installed (assuming you installed binaries). Because for all you know, what you installed might be an actual trojan :)
10:38:42 <moneromooo> But your AV has become useless here, because of its false positive. Thanks AV maker.
10:38:43 <hanimposo> I do check the si
10:38:46 <hanimposo> signature
10:39:37 <moneromooo> And this is also why reporting false positives might help. If enough of their users do, they'll start thinking the collateral damage might be too high and do something about it.
10:39:44 <moneromooo> I suspect we're still way too small for this though.
10:45:34 <hanimposo> one of the reported threats is Trojan:Win32/Wacatac.DE!ml
10:46:51 <hanimposo> When I search for more information about that threat, the gist of the reply is "trojan is bad"
10:48:03 <hanimposo> "This program is dangerous and executes commands from an attacker."
12:35:31 <ErCiccione[m]> hanimposo:  mooo already answered you, but you can find more info on the website: https://web.getmonero.org/get-started/faq/#antivirus
17:01:21 <d4ndo[m]> Is Microsoft Windows still used? 2020?
17:01:51 <d4ndo[m]> Even Gamer use Linux now a days.
17:05:48 <Mochi101> I use Windows
17:06:15 <Mochi101> I have 2 Windows machines and a Linux machine.
17:07:15 <d4ndo[m]> What do you use it for most of the time?
17:14:03 <moneromooo> I know two people who use windows. So yes, there are some.
17:16:03 <d4ndo[m]> LOL - Windows is so 2000. But hey, some people like the retro style.
19:05:08 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Yeah, moneromooo is right, there are some. Just looked it up in Wikipedia: "As of March 2019, the operating system is running on more than 800 million devices." But I am sure all wrongly counted because almost all people installed Linux over it :)
19:06:24 <moneromooo> The laptop I'm typing on is one of those poor victims.
19:08:57 <rbrunner> Windows is still lurking somewhere wedged into the firmware and waiting for the day of revenge
19:09:11 <ndorf> xmrmatterbridge: to be fair to Windows, they probably know exactly how many instances are running, and what time they booted, and what their IP address is, and ....
19:09:58 <rbrunner> Yes. They have the activation servers, the update servers, and so on.
19:11:48 <ndorf> lol @ me replying to the bridge
19:12:25 <rbrunner> Life has taught me to try to evade illusions as much as possible. And the idea that "Windows is so 2000", will vanish soon, and thus Monero can more and more ignore it is such an illusion, IMHO.
19:13:28 <ndorf> not sure i follow, are you saying monero isn't supporting windows as well as it could?
19:14:23 <rbrunner> No, but sometimes I see a tendency to underestimate the importance of Windows users, like e.g. severly underestimating their number.
19:15:15 <rbrunner> From a dev's point of view, I fully understand. It's a PITA to even compile Monero on Windows.
19:15:56 <ndorf> it's a PITA to just set up and use windows, nevermind compile anything, IMHO of course :)
19:16:01 <rbrunner> Not sure full debugging is even supported ...
19:16:24 <rbrunner> Was never adventurous enough to even try
19:17:15 <ndorf> for development/testing purposes though, i think you can download a ready-to-go VM image from microsoft nowadays? i haven't actually tried it though
19:17:57 <rbrunner> Yes, VMs really make life better. I am installing a new notebook, and I run Linux there as base OS, and Windows in a VM.
19:17:58 <moneromooo> Bugger that for a game of soilders...
19:18:38 <ndorf> i used to run virtualized windows regularly until 2011 or so, but luckily haven't had any need since then lol
19:18:52 <rbrunner> Game of soilders?
19:19:05 <moneromooo> lol, soldiers
19:19:51 <ndorf> https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/downloads/virtual-machines/ <-- yep. "expires" in 2 months though, lol
19:20:12 <ndorf> interesting that it comes with full visual studio, that used to be really expensive!
19:20:22 <rbrunner> Nice ideomatic expression, that buggerism, didn't know that :)
19:21:02 <rbrunner> ndorf, you can reset them indefinitely through checkpoints in the VM
19:21:22 <ndorf> i would imagine, unless it insists on phoning home or something
19:21:43 <rbrunner> We all agree to keep a perimeter of a few miles around moneromooo that is completely Windows free
19:22:03 * ndorf casually relocates to inside of perimeter
19:22:40 <moneromooo> And yet, I find myself both wanting and hating making shit work even on windows when reported. Having something break offends.
19:23:03 <ndorf> only windows experience i've had in the last decade was a laptop with it preinstalled. i figured eh, why not resize the partition and keep it around just in case something comes up. let me just quickly install all the latest updates first...
19:23:03 <rbrunner> That's the spirit.
19:23:10 <moneromooo> It's like info leaks from wallet to node. It's your node (right ?), still...
19:23:17 <ndorf> ended up wasting two or three hours fighting with windows update before giving up and wiping it for good
19:24:29 <rbrunner> I guess almost every dev has their Windows (horror) story to tell. Fact of life, except for a few very priviledged people.
19:50:59 <Mochi101> I use Windows with Adobe's suite of tools.
19:54:25 <Mochi101> I could probably mess around with Inkscape and Gimp and DaVincii Resolve... but man... I have to eat.
23:33:18 <bigslim[m]> What’s up with NERO?