00:23:20 <Steven_M> I lost $17USD worth of BTC in a BTC-to-XMR simpleswap exchange gone wrong. :-(
00:25:33 <anicow> how did it go wrong? f
00:31:15 <Steven_M> anicow: My guess is, because I close the browser window, before receiving the XMR. I didn't think I needed to monitor it and just wanted to get to bed last night. Today, no XMR. :-(
00:31:36 <Steven_M> *closed
00:31:59 <anicow> hm, that sucks. did you try going back to that page
00:32:52 <selsta> Maybe you can try to contact their support? (Not sure what simpleswap is)
00:37:23 <Steven_M> Anicow: Nope, it was in a private browsing window.
00:38:54 <anicow> welp, do better next time i guess
00:39:24 <Steven_M> selsta: Sorry, I should have said: simpleswap.io is a crypto to crypto exchange.
00:40:44 <Steven_M> selsta: I'll try to get support, but I won't hold my breath.
00:41:12 <Steven_M> anicow: yeah.
01:15:13 <gingeropolous> ermagerd i need to wipe this box. this rocm really screwed it up
01:16:01 <gingeropolous> unable to correct missing packages
01:16:05 * gingeropolous smash
01:18:27 <gingeropolous>  subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
01:18:36 <gingeropolous> I":LL GIVE YOU A PRE_REMOVAL SCRIPT!
01:19:17 <moneromooo> Space left on all necessary partitions ?
01:19:57 <gingeropolous> yeah
01:20:14 <gingeropolous> though this would be a good excuse to get a new nvme
01:20:43 <gingeropolous> who knows how bad monerod has thrashed this ssd
01:21:14 <gingeropolous> well, no need to update apt anyway. stypid login always getting me off track
01:34:04 <fullmetalScience> Is woodser on IRC?
01:35:37 <moneromooo> I believe behind a relay usually.
01:40:15 <gingeropolous> is there a way to import a peer list?
01:40:36 <gingeropolous> i know we have --add-priority or --add-exclusive etc
01:40:54 <moneromooo> I don't think so.
01:41:06 <moneromooo> config file with those options though.
01:41:16 <moneromooo> If that qualifies :)
01:41:56 <gingeropolous> woof, that'd be a big ol comfig file :)
01:42:03 <gingeropolous> thats a comfy config file
01:42:41 <fullmetalScience> With that very name?
01:42:59 <moneromooo> Maybe with a trailing _
01:45:06 <fullmetalScience> Judging from the post history it's likely XmrApiDev on Reddit?
02:03:35 <gingeropolous> ggaaaaaah
02:39:53 <gingeropolous> huzzah: https://github.com/Gingeropolous/transpeer
02:40:06 <gingeropolous> testing this is gonna be a PITA
02:45:25 <gingeropolous> does anyone have their head around bitcoin RPC?
02:45:41 <gingeropolous> i went through the trouble of getting a bitcorn node up and running
02:45:58 <gingeropolous> but ultimately bailed and figured i'd just stick with cryptonote coins because i know the RPC
02:46:48 <gingeropolous> would also be great to rope in bittorent peers
02:58:53 <always_su> System Information: Model: iMac (27-inch, Retina, Late 2015) • Memory: 24.00 GB • OS: macOS Catalina (Version 10.15.4, Build 19E287)
03:01:52 <gingeropolous> ?
03:16:47 <fibonacci> What is the purpose of life?
03:20:06 <ProjectEpsilon> To spend your life messing with magic internet money
04:28:43 <Steven_M> anicow: selsta: Good news, I made a mistake and still have most of my BTC. :-)
04:29:02 <anicow> NICE!
04:32:24 <Steven_M> It turns out I accidently only sent $2USD worth of BTC to simpleswap, which is why I didn't get any XMR.
04:36:04 <fullmetalScience> mooo are you still on?
04:37:24 <expensivebead> Steve I need some BTC got anything i can do for some?
04:39:03 <Steven_M> LEGAL STATEMENT: I unreservedly apologize to simpleswap.io and do not intend any defamation or damages.
04:39:51 <Steven_M> expensivebead: do you wish to trade XMR for it?
04:39:55 <fullmetalScience> If my wallet knew exactly which block had an input for it, would it suffice to scan just that very block?
04:40:06 <fullmetalScience> Steven_M: Did you solve the issue?
04:43:16 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience: if you mean the one-off-address question, moneromooo explained it. :)
04:43:44 <fullmetalScience> The lost BTC.
04:44:01 <fullmetalScience> But I'm curious about the one-off as well, if you can paste.
04:46:38 <expensivebead> I do not have any XMR.
04:48:05 <Steven_M> expensivebead: I'm not in a position to give to charity right now, sorry.
04:48:31 <anicow> everyone needs btc
04:48:35 <expensivebead> Anyone in a charitable spot, i could use it.
04:48:53 <anicow> give me your money expensivebead
04:51:50 <anicow> best get to mining
04:52:25 <expensivebead> I can give you money to mine?
04:52:51 <anicow> nah dont give people money to mine for you. that is pretty much always a scam.
04:53:20 <expensivebead> Oh.
04:57:59 <expensivebead> You guys sell xmr?
05:07:14 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience: I thought simpleswap hadn't paid out, but I sent them the wrong amount of BTC, so it was my fault.
05:09:20 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience: as for the one-off-address command: "The original intent was to help people who sent monero to some subaddress with a silly index (not sure how they managed that, there might have been a bug earlier)."
05:10:33 <Steven_M> the quote is from moneromooo
05:25:22 <fullmetalScience> Great. Thanks. Happy you got it sorted too.
08:59:40 <Steven_M> Is #monero-otc still an official channel, it's not in the topic anymore?
09:00:24 <Steven_M> binaryFate: ^
09:01:28 <binaryFate> Somewhat official, I'm not sure we have anything fully official
09:03:01 <Steven_M> binaryFate: Thank you. :-)
09:09:02 <expensivebead> Can i buy $29 of crypto from someone
09:10:24 <Steven_M> with what, and what crypto are you buying?
09:24:19 <expensivebead> A debit card
09:24:26 <expensivebead> Perferably btc
09:25:44 <asymptotically> purse.io, but prepare to pay horrible rates
09:59:58 <expensivebead> I need .1
10:01:03 <asymptotically> that's a lot more than $29
10:20:00 <expensivebead> Idk ill gove my left nut at this point.
11:07:55 <Mochi101> .1 btc for $29
11:07:58 <Mochi101> yes please!
12:32:43 <franbird> hi guys
12:33:21 <franbird> so i have a ledger nano s
12:37:15 <franbird> i had to format my desktop which i had setup "create a new wallet from hardware"
12:45:40 <franbird> sorry worked it out
12:46:01 <franbird> you need to click the same menu but then choose wallet that's already created from hardware
14:55:26 <always_su> this probably isn't the best place to get a grounded assessment... but does anyone feel confident about any XMR predictions?
14:55:32 <always_su> I'm a bit biased in favor of XMR myself, but I only feel confident about market predictions once every few years, and I tend to be pretty spot on. And right now I'm feeling XMR is going to have a very good year
14:58:06 <asymptotically> always_su: you might have better luck talking about price in #monero-markets or /r/xmrtrader
14:59:33 <always_su> asymptotically: ah, thanks for pointing me in that direction! what do we discuss here?
15:04:04 <always_su> Something I realized about XMR is that the general discourse around it belies its use case. Being focused so much on being "privacy" (cue the cartoon of a guy with shades)
15:05:10 <rbrunner> More than a full day without a single new message relayed to Mattermost means that the IRC-to-Mattermost relay went titsup again. pigeons or somebody else with the necessary powers, can you please restart? TIA!
15:05:11 <always_su> It makes it seem like the purpose of the coin is unusual in that regard. In actuality, the privacy is what makes the crypto *like what people typically expect of a currency*
15:06:56 <always_su> a vendor that accepts paypal is accustomed to privacy more like XMR than like BTC. BTC is quite awkward, compared to other forms of currency!
15:09:22 <anicow> real world usage for crypto: i cant pay my international vps bill with my debit card because of the country of origin.
15:10:16 <anicow> i do NOTHING illegal with my boxen! i used to be able to pay no problem, but now because some place decided other place is BAD, i am affected
15:10:24 <anicow> i did not sign up for that
15:10:40 <anicow> use crypto andFORGET IT
15:15:10 <always_su> anicow: and that's great! Now look at it from the perspective of the seller. With BTC, even if they use a different wallet for every account/payment, they're probably going to want to combine their revenue and spend/transfer it. And that's all traceable on the blockchain.
15:20:42 <always_su> That kind of visibility isn't going to be desirable for anyone doing business. At the very least, it's a complication that requires developing and managing an extra layer of privacy into an inherently non-private public ledger.
15:21:15 <anicow> traceability isnt that important to a small business, and plugins like coinpayments.net for WHM
15:21:31 <anicow> *WHMCS use a wallet on their website for the user.
15:25:47 <always_su> you make a good point, that there's readily available solutions. My personal experience is that most people are deterred from accepting cryptocurrencies by an uneasiness with the entire concept.
15:26:14 <anicow> i see the price volatility as an important factor, that and people dont get 'how to make crypto into cash'
15:26:39 <anicow> baby steps i guess
15:27:58 <always_su> I see that, too! it's hard to price things when you think the price might drop 10% or more by the close of business that day
15:28:23 <anicow> yes, alot of people especiially small businesses simply cannot afford to hodl
15:29:03 <always_su> anicow: you actually just gave me a business idea
15:29:53 <anicow> keep it a secret!
15:36:23 <expensivebead> Someone give me btc now
15:36:50 <always_su> I'm probably not going to implement, so I'll be glad if someone steals it xD. There's a market for stable conversion to fiat, and it's probably not hard to for a company to offer it at a rate that's profitable given the risk
15:36:51 <jwinterm> !tip expensivebead btc
15:38:18 <always_su> but I feel the real take-off point for crypto is when it's not being converted to fiat, but being used to buy other things in crypto. Take fiat off the balance sheets.
15:40:52 <always_su> So you pay for your VPS in crypto, who is paying staff in crypto
15:42:09 <anicow> dunno, but of all the industries vps' could probably tinker with that option
15:44:29 <expensivebead> 36wRdrQRRVzdKRP2ooP5hQXKGRTE5pzP4o
15:44:34 <expensivebead> Give me btc now
15:44:57 <anicow> expensivebead no, you give ME btc
15:45:03 <expensivebead> Fuck you
15:45:15 <anicow> pff, typical
15:52:12 <always_su> it could work, because maybe some of your vps platform developers live in Venezuela. Easy to pay them just like everyone else. And they can use crypto to buy food, because it's more stable than their fiat. And they will prefer XMR, so they don't worry the person they do business with will find out how much is in their wallet, baiting those persons to come after the developers to force the rest out of them
15:53:26 <anicow> very good example
16:04:41 <always_su> it's an example someone could realize today, as well. Vast sums have been spent cramming an insatiable need for tech. workers into silicon valley, who've now realized they can work remotely
16:07:11 <anicow> haha true
16:07:14 <always_su> we're at the cusp of a remote workforce revolution. it's only a matter time before someone makes a move
16:07:35 <anicow> and at least one ivy league university is having all online classes this term.
16:07:55 <anicow> i personally HATED online classes when i went to college, i would never do it again
16:08:35 <anicow> unless they had some sort of remove classroom technology with webcams or something interactive
16:08:57 <anicow> *remote
16:10:54 <always_su> dude... I am so with you, there. I can't think things are gonna be stagnant, though... universities are too expensive. and there's nothing inherent to education about being physically present in a classroom.
16:11:57 <anicow> times are changing thats for sure
16:12:12 <always_su> best HD virtual reality simulation I can think of would be a pittance compared to today's tuition
16:13:49 <anicow> hah that's true
20:36:38 <fullmetalScience> exit