02:52:52 <fullmetalScience> I'm trying the linux ARMv7 version again. Seg faults for me a couple of seconds after "Confirm password:"
02:54:11 <fullmetalScience> Any quick way to get a first bit of insight, no debugging environment being available?
03:47:02 <Steven_M> What's the new one-off address command for, how are they different to sub-addresses?
03:48:30 <selsta> Steven_M: they are subaddresses
03:48:48 <selsta> you can use one-off to create a subaddress at a specific index
03:49:49 <Steven_M> what would be the point?
03:51:05 <fullmetalScience> Some sexy ideas ...
03:52:11 <fullmetalScience> Steven_M: The non-sexy ones would include using an index that matches a customers ID in your business, for example.
03:54:52 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience:  Oh, I see. Side note, so it's to help keep track of payments.
03:58:33 <Steven_M> tyto
03:59:11 <Steven_M> *typo
03:59:26 <fullmetalScience> I don't know the original intention, but it allows for flexible things like the one mentioned.
03:59:27 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience:  Oh, I see, so it's to help keep track of payments.
04:00:59 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience: what was its original intention? I must be missing something here.
04:02:42 <fullmetalScience> You might be able to find something about it searching git log (or the repo on GitHub).
04:04:11 <fullmetalScience> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/search?q=one-off&type=Issues
04:11:30 <Steven_M> fullmetalScience: thanks
10:01:05 <moneromooo> The original intent was to help people who sent monero to some subaddress with a silly index (not sure how they managed that, there might have been a bug earlier).
10:01:50 <azy> sounds like i'll finally be able to retrieve my 0.05xmr from index 83457348573847348
10:15:27 <Steven_M> moneromooo: oh, okay. Thanks. :-)
10:29:22 * Steven_M has to go, goodnight all. :-)
10:31:17 <expensivebead> Whats a fairly valuable cryptocurrency to aquire yet easy to aquire?
10:31:30 <moneromooo> Bitcoin.
10:33:38 <expensivebead> If I wanted some what would I have to do?
10:34:12 <dgod[m]> Does someone know about PayPal letting you buy crypto?
10:34:13 <dgod[m]> I read something about that somewhere
10:34:39 <expensivebead> I know of a intermediary who will buy it.
10:34:45 <moneromooo> Find some exchange which sells some, send them some money from your bank account, exchange it for bitcoin, make a bitcoin wallet, withdraw bitcoin to your wallet.
10:35:04 <Skirmant> you can always find people that sells buttcoin for cash
10:35:27 <expensivebead> I'm looking to get that for free.
10:35:31 <moneromooo> You may want an exchange that doesn't ask for "papers please!", won't work if you buy a lot.
10:35:45 <expensivebead> Know where I should go?
10:35:53 <expensivebead> I'm on that journey.
10:35:55 <Skirmant> there's Bitcoin atm's with no identity verification
10:36:07 <moneromooo> Ah, free bitcoins. There used to be websites called faucets which sent you tiny specks in exchange for view ads. Might still exist.
10:36:15 <expensivebead> You're telling me that we can't fake everything?
10:36:24 <moneromooo> It's really *tiny* though.
10:36:24 <Skirmant> >free money
10:36:26 <Skirmant> :DDDDD
10:36:41 <expensivebead> I'm not that code savvy.
10:36:48 <moneromooo> wat
10:36:51 <expensivebead> Like.
10:36:52 <Skirmant> give me your address, i'll send you some
10:37:32 <moneromooo> Some people scam others. It seems to be a common way to get free bitcoins too. Called ICOs.
10:37:48 <moneromooo> (well, a large part of them, some are honest)
10:38:11 <moneromooo> History shows you don't even need to have a programmer to make one :)
10:38:37 <moneromooo> Or you could work for bitcoin payment.
10:38:45 <expensivebead> 35TwV6Kf21EjPgUQPULek5sF3mALWBCDc6
10:39:10 <expensivebead> Thank you.
10:39:32 <Skirmant> hol up, i forgot how to copy text on WeeChat
10:40:00 <moneromooo> BTW if you're new, be aware that there are a few forks of bitcoin, and those aren't the same chain. Don't be scammed.
10:40:24 <moneromooo> Like, one called "bitcoin cash" tries to present itself as bitcoin to newbies who don't know better.
10:41:06 <Skirmant> sent you some magic internet money, enjoy
10:41:09 <expensivebead> I think I understand, so one "stem" so to speak?
10:41:18 <expensivebead> Thank you Skirmant.
10:44:51 <expensivebead> What's everyone doing?
10:48:00 <Skirmant> expensivebead: i'm sitting around and c00ming to bleached captions
10:48:46 <Skirmant> https://w1r3.net/oojuDx.png
10:49:20 <Skirmant> https://w1r3.net/xFrSeC.jpg
10:50:59 <expensivebead> This is gold.
10:51:57 <expensivebead> I just got it, thank you!
11:00:19 <expensivebead> Is it hard to make a texas hold em appliction?
11:06:54 <Skirmant> on what
11:13:29 <expensivebead> I dunno the first thing about making programs.
11:13:45 <expensivebead> Probably something that's cross platform though.
11:17:05 <expensivebead> Want 2000 ubtc back?
13:05:16 <expensivebead> Whose still here.
13:18:18 <fluffypony> who's whose?
13:18:29 <fluffypony> what an odd name - is it Eastern European?
13:18:58 <Skirmant> i'm always here
13:19:34 <Skirmant> https://w1r3.net/BqhmbD.png
13:21:06 <Skirmant> fluffypony: do monero devs shitpost on /biz/?
13:21:18 <fluffypony> no I don't
13:23:13 <Skirmant> how come
13:30:57 <anicow> im here
13:31:15 <anicow> monero feels like it's for crypto misfits like me
13:31:21 <anicow> all the old white men love bitcoin
13:31:56 <anicow> i mean bitcoin is ok , but it's just a cult of lotterywinners pretending they're so goddamn smart because they bought early
13:32:44 <anicow> there is another generation already building lightning and other stuff like that. bitcoin will become to corporate trading game just like all of wall street is now.
13:33:20 <anicow> bitcoin is still betteer than ANY bank ever was
13:34:10 <anicow> but i wont even try to hangout with bitcoiners anymore, they are all fucking annoying.
13:34:35 <anicow> not everything is a scam fools. yeah of youll say that YOU WANT ORANGE COIN TO GO UP
13:34:41 <anicow> classic shillfest
13:35:13 <anicow> *of course youll say that
13:36:05 * anicow puts on his overcoat
13:37:11 <anicow> wtf it's summer
13:37:15 * anicow takes it off again
13:37:32 <anicow> ..it is a nice coat though
13:38:37 <expensivebead> You guys seen this before? I just need 10 referrals to withdraw.
13:38:40 <expensivebead> https://t.me/AutoBitRobot?start=1345834612
13:38:48 <anicow>  i dont use telegram anymore
13:39:11 <moneromooo> Ban in 3... 2... 1...
13:39:39 <moneromooo> 0.5...
13:39:43 <expensivebead> Sorry.
13:40:27 <expensivebead> fluffypony: it's random.
13:44:28 <anicow> you lot are pre cool :)
15:10:04 <expensivebead> Bored, what's the plan?
15:11:39 <Skirmant> @anicow feels good being a young white man
15:12:02 <anicow> im a 34 year old black man
15:12:07 <anicow> now what :D
15:12:27 <expensivebead> Can I have more BTC? :D
15:12:47 <anicow> sure,mine it, buy it
15:13:23 <expensivebead> How do you feel about this whole thing?
15:13:56 <anicow> it is good for the world, but the 1% is trying to usurp the movement. they cant, but so many people are falling for it
15:14:33 <expensivebead> You guys know the people who ran bitcoincloudservices by chance?
15:14:34 <anicow> i am doing my part, and everyone else who understands the gravity of this should take it upon themselves to do their part.
15:14:41 <anicow> nope...
15:14:58 <expensivebead> If you ever find them and they have BTC, let me know.
15:15:14 <expensivebead> They owe me 4 years worth of mining.
15:15:24 <anicow> dag yo
15:16:33 <expensivebead> You guys only into this kind of currency?
15:16:48 <anicow> no
15:34:11 <asymptotically> expensivebead: you fell for a cloud mining scam? :(
15:35:16 <jwinterm> lol 4 years
15:35:17 <anicow> ):
15:35:18 <jwinterm> oof
15:36:17 <dsc_> full chain sync is quite slow nowadays .. about 3-5 hours on a AMD 2920x, 100mbit fiber
15:37:29 <dsc_> nvme ssd
15:38:06 <asymptotically> you'd call that slow? :o
15:38:07 <expensivebead> asymptotically: they gave me btc everyday and just stopped one day.
15:38:20 <asymptotically> yes because it's a ponzi scheme
15:39:03 <dsc_> asymptotically: how long does it take for you?
15:40:57 <asymptotically> dsc_: about the same on similar hardware, i never thought it was slow though
15:41:19 <asymptotically> maybe that's because i used to run a btc node on a hard drive :p, everything feels fast compared to syncing that
15:41:32 <dsc_> ah okay
15:41:34 <dsc_> thanks
15:42:46 <expensivebead> Is there benefits to running these nodes?
15:50:51 <fluffypony> yes
15:58:42 <anicow> ok i camed
15:58:43 <anicow> [11:36:19] <dsc_> full chain sync is quite slow nowadays .. about 3-5 hours on a AMD 2920x, 100mbit fiber
15:58:43 <anicow> [11:37:31] <dsc_> nvme ssd
15:59:41 <expensivebead> uhh.
16:02:48 <dsc_> I remember it being 1 hour~ about a year ago
16:02:55 <dsc_> But guess there have been some developments :P
16:19:20 <sugardingdong> I started asking theses questions yesterday but I'm back. Sorry :)
16:19:22 <sugardingdong> How does the miner prevent me from fabricating inputs and outputs?  Is this the ring signatures responsibly?   Or would you have additional code in place?
16:21:09 <dEBRUYNE> sugardingdong: basically explained here -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hlixv1/simple_explanation_as_to_how_nodes_validate/
16:21:16 <moneromooo> It doesn't. It just mines whatever you give it.
16:21:37 <moneromooo> If you give it somehting invalid, joke's on you, any block you find will be rejected.
16:26:31 <hiddener> magic
16:31:59 <sugardingdong> If its not about what lies in you wallet i.e funds I have but the actual tx that the sum of inputs  = sum of outputs.  Could I not then fabricate the my input and outputs as long as the sum of inputs  = sum of outputs?
16:32:47 <expensivebead> Just make more
16:33:12 <sugardingdong> lol. more money from thin air?
16:33:23 <expensivebead> not thin are
16:33:23 <moneromooo> That was answered yesterday...
16:33:26 <expensivebead> air
16:33:41 <expensivebead> Think about the whole thing
16:33:55 <expensivebead> Not just mathematically looking at it
16:34:01 <sugardingdong> I'm trying and my brain hurts. lol
16:34:15 <expensivebead> Like ju mping
16:34:57 <expensivebead> 1 controlled variable makes it okay somehow
16:35:08 <expensivebead> the value of it becomes moot
16:35:28 <expensivebead> right?
16:36:07 <sugardingdong> I don't know?
16:36:37 <expensivebead> im pretty sure that this is that
16:36:51 <sugardingdong> I read in and article somewhere that the key offsets are a remnants of Monero’s previously implemented ring signature before RingCT.
16:37:35 <expensivebead> i invented brute force cc
16:38:45 <expensivebead> okay i see.
16:38:50 <expensivebead> does it work?
16:39:08 <sugardingdong> No yet. I'll keep trying.
16:40:08 <expensivebead> let me know should work.
16:40:14 <expensivebead> dont use it
16:42:02 <expensivebead> lol
16:42:18 <expensivebead> make your own website
16:42:31 <expensivebead> where you are the intermediary
17:07:57 <expensivebead> having a delusional episode sorry all
17:08:13 <expensivebead> pm me if you care
17:23:23 <xmrpow> Have there been any tries to implement sth like paying tor relays for their bandwidth with monero? I think that would be quite cool, because I think one problem of tor is the lack of nodes providing high bandwidth...
17:24:07 <moneromooo> Not to my knowledge, but that's the kind of thing primo was made for.
17:24:57 <xmrpow> Never heart of primo...
17:26:47 <xmrpow> Do you have a link? Cant find anything useful about it.
17:26:55 <moneromooo> https://repo.getmonero.org/selene/primo
17:27:47 <xmrpow> Thank you!
17:30:26 <xmrpow> Ok, but Primo would not rly work for the compensation of tor relay nodes...
17:31:35 <moneromooo> Why would it not ?
17:32:48 <moneromooo> It would need someone with knowledge of the tor comms to be able to negotiate with the three nodes in your circuit, which might be a non trivial amount of work, but should otherwise be ok. I might not be seeing a showstopper though.
17:33:58 <xmrpow> Yes, it would would have to be integrated in tor.
17:37:05 <hyc> hm, you can book travel with cryptocurrency now on travala.com
17:37:23 <hyc> I might try that when travel bans go away...
17:38:06 <hyc> pretty broad range accepted. XMR is there of course https://www.travala.com/payment-options
17:38:30 <hyc> seems to only be for hotel bookings, not for flights?
17:39:43 <anicow> ooo
18:13:17 <KrishnAncap[m]> destinia for flights with btc
18:24:23 <xmrpow> @moneromoo: I have thought about a monero wallet integrated into the tor browser and during browsing you are paying the tor nodes with xmr for their service.
18:35:27 <KrishnAncap[m]> how to kill tor
18:54:01 <xmrpow> @KrishnAncap: Why should that kill tor. Providing bandwidth is expensive. Why not paying for that service.
18:56:05 <KrishnAncap[m]> because it's free
18:57:26 <azy> It didn't give me any flights for sep5th
19:00:12 <moneromooo> Such logic.
19:01:08 <KrishnAncap[m]> try 4th
19:02:11 <xmrpow> KrishnAncap: And who should pay for the hosting of the tor nodes in your opinion?
19:02:13 <azy> I'll try sooner the time
19:02:34 <KrishnAncap[m]> volunteer xmrpow
19:02:34 <dsc_> Where we flying to?
19:02:42 <KrishnAncap[m]> thx moneromooo
19:02:42 <azy> Opposite of privacy though, I'll pay cash for recordable instances
19:03:41 <xmrpow> KrishnAncap: Like everybody is mining because he is a volunteer ;)
19:04:49 <xmrpow> I think that you need some econmic incentive to scale tor to higher level.
19:05:09 <xmrpow> Look at the tor bandwidth . That is nothing.
19:05:16 <azy> That's what nim is trying
19:05:24 <azy> I think it's called nim..
19:05:59 <xmrpow> Talking to me azy?
19:06:05 <KrishnAncap[m]> OK then do it
19:06:10 <KrishnAncap[m]> tor is centralized
19:06:32 <xmrpow> What s more decentralized?
19:08:00 <azy> Ye xmrpow, there's a coin /network which is looking to pay node hosts. I forget the name
19:09:14 <xmrpow> azy: ok. I have already searched for it but found nothing interesting. Pls tell me if you find sth out.
19:11:11 <azy> We'll have to wait until someone says the acronym
19:15:01 <azy> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2osfQoZWEg
19:15:14 <azy> Whew that's a load off, nym
19:16:37 <azy> https://nymtech.net/
20:17:39 <expensivebead> Anyone get lucky doing the gambling game crash?
20:19:41 <xmrpow> azy: Did you know about Loki network (randomx coin) ? It sounds like a mix of tor and i2p.
20:26:46 <xmrpow> What do you guys think about Loki?
20:33:42 <dsc_> https://loki.network/team/ "CEO" "CTO" kugh kugh </discussion>
20:35:55 <xmrpow> I meant from a more technical perspective.
20:36:41 <anicow> ok, well technically dsc ended the discussion in one PRIVMSG
20:41:23 <xmrpow> anicow: And what do you think?
20:42:17 <anicow> hm? i think that the name loki is stupid
20:42:34 <xmrpow> ...
20:43:39 <anicow> that is what i think.
20:43:51 <anicow> the end.
20:45:53 <fullmetalScience> Hello
21:23:31 <anicow> fullmetalScience hi