06:53:27 <fluffypony> I like Apollo on iOS too
07:30:32 <streamerx[m]> Here's a client for Ethereum and Dash for mining bandwidth in a mesh network. Is Monero planning to add bandwidth mining to stay in the game? https://github.com/althea-net
08:31:22 <rdymac> !later streamerx[m], dash? I don’t think it “mines”. User puts ETH, Dai, xDai in their balance of their Althea-Mesh router, other Althea-Mesh router relayers sell data/bandwidth to the user. Maybe you mean the relayer “is mining” by providing the relay service
08:33:52 <rdymac> We at Locha Mesh are looking into adding RPC-Pay for users to pay other nodes for services (remote monerod, Internet gateway, Electrum Server...), so Monero will stay in te game for sure :)
18:07:49 <Mr_Doge> exit
19:08:12 <KrishnAncap[m]> hi
19:08:39 <KrishnAncap[m]> I wonder if btc could override xmr usefulness with  ln and Wasabi wallet
19:09:06 <KrishnAncap[m]> even if these are not as perfect as monero for privacy
19:09:24 <KrishnAncap[m]> the big network btc has would offset this disadvantage
19:11:16 <endor00[m]> <KrishnAncap[m] "the big network btc has would of"> In terms of marketing? Maybe.
19:12:18 <KrishnAncap[m]> yeah but btc is safer and much bigger. that'd offset the lower technical quality issue
19:12:48 <KrishnAncap[m]> if it gets big adoption then it will even increase btc fungability
19:13:34 <moneromooo> I wonder if meat could be as healthy as vegetables if it had less meat and more vegetables.
19:15:51 <endor00[m]> "Btc is safer" [citation needed]
19:16:42 <KrishnAncap[m]> about cost of 51% attack
19:26:46 <KrishnAncap[m]> 1k monero nodes vs 100k btc nodes
19:27:02 <KrishnAncap[m]> 999999kpeta mining rate for btc
19:27:19 <asymptotically> nodes don't matter when it comes to a 51% attack. but all of the energy going to buttcoin miners does :)
19:27:29 <KrishnAncap[m]> vs 1kbhertz for monero hashrate
19:27:33 <KrishnAncap[m]> btc is safer no?
19:28:02 <asymptotically> yes, but you should compare energy and not hashes per second
19:42:10 <endor00[m]> I'd rather compare hardware availability
19:42:28 <KrishnAncap[m]> well then I'm still right when I say Bitcoin of safer, which is obvious... sorry all altcoiners
19:42:44 <KrishnAncap[m]> but get to admit the obvious truth. why do I even need to argue about it
19:43:14 <endor00[m]> Bigger bottleneck than energy consumption
19:43:49 <endor00[m]> "KrishnAncap" (https://matrix.to/#/@oui:converser.eu) different algorithms run at different speeds, you can't just compare the number of hashes per second
19:45:12 <endor00[m]> Also centralization: more than 50% of btc hashrate is located in China. So if the Chinese government decided to take over btc they could do that fairly easily
19:46:01 <fullmetalScience> moneromooo hehe
19:46:03 <endor00[m]> And from that point of view, btc is a lot less secure than Monero (and a few others too)
19:46:33 <fullmetalScience> KrishnAncap: LN isn't Bitcoin
19:52:17 <d4ndo[m]> I suppose the safest move would be to divesty.
19:52:17 <d4ndo[m]> Lets say you have $100 million. Put 20 million in Monero, 50 million in Bitcoin, et cetera.
19:52:25 <hyc> bitcoin fails on decentralization and uncensorability
19:52:40 <hyc> at least - it fails on other counts too
20:02:01 <fullmetalScience> "Diversify!" is usually the suggestion of those who have no clue and don't want to be responsible for your loss :)
20:02:18 <fullmetalScience> (thinking crypto-youtubers here)
20:09:19 <d4ndo[m]> fullmetalScience: I don't have any money to diversify anyway. XD
20:09:37 <fullmetalScience> No worries. They don't either.
20:09:38 <fullmetalScience> XD