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locustlord
have we considered dynamic tail emissions
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locustlord
like the bigger the block the bigger the amount of xmr rewarded
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Mochi101
locustlord, you mean like including transaction fees in the block reward?
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locustlord
nvm I'm stupid
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locustlord
apparently
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Mochi101
;)
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locustlord
that's what we already do?
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locustlord
right
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Mochi101
yeah
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locustlord
a bit different from what I was thinking of
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locustlord
I was thinking instead of being .6 xmr per block tail emissions it would be proportional to the size of the block
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endor00[m]
Wouldn't that incentivize miners to spam bigger and bigger blocks though? Until the chain would become bloated and syncing nodes require too much bandwidth?
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Steven_M
Hi all, is there a small XMR reward for running a constant full-node, something to offset the VPS cost?
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cutemoneroboy
Only what you'd be able to gather from the RPC payments feature
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tryphe
Steven_M, host a block explorer run by donations, shrug
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tryphe
or anything else
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Steven_M
cutemoneroboy: I didn't know about the RPC payments feature, I'll look it up.
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Steven_M
tryphe: fair enough.
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Steven_M
2020-06-15 05:10:53.553 W WARNING: no two valid DNS TXT records were received
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Steven_M
2020-06-15 06:17:54.793 W WARNING: no two valid DNS TXT records were received
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Steven_M
2020-06-15 07:19:23.827 W WARNING: no two valid DNS TXT records were received
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Steven_M
are these warnings about my node or other nodes connected to me?
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guernsey
hello
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guernsey
do anyone of monero folks remember where tx version is specified
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guernsey
in config.h is not
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moneromooo
Where it is constructed. Try construct_* in src/cryptonote_core/cryptonote_tx_utils.cpp
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guernsey
i did if (hard_fork_version >= 4) tx.version = 8;
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guernsey
failed
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moneromooo
I presume you added code to verify tx version 8 ?
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guernsey
to specify not to verify
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guernsey
how to specify tx version
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rdymac
this seems to be relevant for some Monero users, right?
spesmilo/electrum #6232
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amuro
Hi, what is the size of the monero wallet in linux cli now?
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amuro
Is it bigger than 20GB now?
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selsta
blockchain?
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selsta
yes
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selsta
wallet? n
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selsta
no
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amuro
Yeah I mean the blockchain
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azy
the pruned chain is about 27gb i think
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amuro
Thanks
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amuro
Is it possible that I can install the wallet without the Full Monero Node?
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azy
yep
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azy
./monero-wallet-cli --daemon-address node.xmr.to:18081
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amuro
So what's the size of this install?
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azy
you download none of the chain when you use a remote node
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azy
so you're left with just the size of the cli files
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started
hi, since new version of xmr wallet i cannot use the mining feature, so im stuck in older version.
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moneromooo
Unfortunate. Why can't you use it ?
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started
It won't start
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moneromooo
Why won't it start ?
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started
lemme close the oldv ersion open and give you exact info.
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started
strange, i tried unsuccessfuly for days, now it works, thanks anyhow.
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whatwasthename
hey i'm the dude from before with the mining/notmining wallet older version makes about 100 extra hashes on same number of threads.
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whatwasthename
wouldn't surpass 599 on new wallet but reaches 735
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moneromooo
Old version is 0.15.x.y ?
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whatwasthename
It should be version from before this 0.16
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whatwasthename
as i had no kind of notification before and wallet perhaps a week or two old.
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moneromooo
I'd say maybe check you've got enough memory, but it should be much slower if it's down to verification mode.
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whatwasthename
alright gui 0.15.0.4 and embed monero 0.15.0.1
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moneromooo
Also check you have the same load from other processes.
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whatwasthename
i has 16 gb ram
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whatwasthename
its just changing the version and getting different hashing.
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whatwasthename
also, any way i can mine with the gpu? :D
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moneromooo
Maybe ask in #monero-pools, these guys know most about mining.
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whatwasthename
thanks
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moneromooo
There are GPU miners yes, but not very good. Randomx is designed to work best on a modern CPU.
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Bill48105
what was the command to roll back some on the chain when upgrading in case on bad fork?
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moneromooo
pop_block N ?
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moneromooo
pop_blocks N ?
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Bill48105
that's sounds right
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Bill48105
thx now just to figure out how many :D
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Bill48105
seems i didn't upgrade quick enough
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moneromooo
The README has fork heights if you didn't update since last one.
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Bill48105
nice thanks i'll look there
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moneromooo
Current version shold do it automatically though.
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moneromooo
(the popping at a fork)
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Bill48105
oh yeah? hmm guess i could just start it & see
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Bill48105
was on 0.15.0.1 & just upgraded to 0.16.0.0
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Bill48105
guess not too far behind :D
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moneromooo
Last fork was more than half a year ago.
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Bill48105
lifetime in monero land eh
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Bill48105
shit's never simple eh? version `GLIBC_2.23' not found (required by ./monerod)
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moneromooo
You didn't build it on that same machine, did you ?
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moneromooo
Or maybe you updated glibc later ?
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Bill48105
was lazy and using the pre-built
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Bill48105
joy seems latest is 2.19
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selsta
what OS are you using?
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selsta
glibc 2.19 is from 2014
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moneromooo
/msg selsta We *are* in 2014. We jumped back yesterday from 2020. Careful about this, they'll catch on to us.
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Bill48105
this is on trusty
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Bill48105
long overdue to upgrade ubuntu but ya know
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Bill48105
hell it's 32bit even lol
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selsta
lol moo you messed up the msg :D
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selsta
now they now
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moneromooo
HAHA it was a joke everyone. Of course, haha. We can't jump in time of course haha. As I'm sure you're all agree, right ? Nothing to worry about.
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Bill48105
lol
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Bill48105
jokes are supposed to be funny :D
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moneromooo
Not in 2020 anymore. They banned fun. I got used to it I guess :/
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Bill48105
but yeah i'll have to work on migrating to new box i guess
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selsta
maybe thecharlatan manages to fix the libc increase
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Bill48105
yay wallet updates.. grr
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Bill48105
hard forks are bad enough but wallet upgrades that require os upgrade suck ass
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Bill48105
probably be in better mood after i eat lol
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moneromooo
It doesn't. Running a stranger's binary might though.
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Bill48105
right that's another issue in itself. posted on official site & checksum matches but yeah
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Bill48105
was never able to get a good build on trusty
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Bill48105
guess if i try on modern os might succeed
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selsta
are you trying to run CLI or GUI?
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Bill48105
cli
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selsta
CLI should work on 16.04
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selsta
GUI currently needs 18.04 but we are working on getting it compatible again with 16.04 for the next release
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Bill48105
yeah until it don't :D
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Bill48105
ahh ok cool
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Bill48105
but yeah i'll need to figure out best plan to move ahead now that i'm dead in water on trusty
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Bill48105
after lunch
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Inge-
fluffypony: Any updates on the fimeline for the Monero Compliance document to find its way out into the wild?
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Inge-
selsta: what about 20.04?
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hyc
20.04 should have no trouble running binaries built on 18.04
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amuro
When I run monderod, will it download the whole 27GB blockchain?
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moneromooo
If you start it with --prune-blockchain, yes.
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amuro
I am setting up the command line monero wallet in terminal
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amuro
and I dont have enough space for 27 GB
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Inge-
then you can run a wallet against someone elses public node
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moneromooo
Which is less secure and less private, so it's best to free up space for the chain.
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amuro
I mean running the monero daemon won't download anything, right?
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Inge-
um.
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moneromooo
It will download something. That's the point of it.
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weeell
wouldn't the chain be fconstantly synced?
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amuro
The harddisk is only 32 GB cant free up
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amuro
I may go get a 64 GB later or 128 GB
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weeell
83 gb occupies the folder imdb
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weeell
atleast in my case
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amuro
83GB?
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amuro
whats imdb?
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weeell
i think iuts the chain folder, 83.6 more precisely
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Inge-
lmdb I suppose
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weeell
ehm thats a L?
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weeell
lol
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hyc
yeah, imdb is internet movie database
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Inge-
common mistake
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Inge-
They are like, conceptually right next to each other
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amuro
so how much disk space do I need really?
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weeell
id say atleast 85 and excluding OS, which while light it always gets to over 20 gb
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moneromooo
Almost 30 GB for a pruned chain. About 85 GB for a complete chain.
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amuro
If I followed the instruction from here -->
monero.how/tutorial-how-to-create-a-command-line-monero-wallet , how much dish space do I need?
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amuro
disk*
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weeell
command line wallet?... the gui itself i doubt is over few hundred mbs, but the chain is sizes mentioned above by momooo
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weeell
i has no idea about those terms
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gingeropolous
so, the pruned blockchain is split into 8 parts, gets things down to 27 GB. .....
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gingeropolous
do things get .... super bad if we continue the split down to 16 parts?
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gingeropolous
yah know? at which point is it better to have n ppl running 1/8th pruned nodes, vs y*n ppl running 1/16th nodes
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gingeropolous
etc
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weeell
i'd guess you'd need more people in that case at least.
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moneromooo
Not really. IIRC you gain an extra 2 GB or so, so not really worth the halving of data.
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gingeropolous
ah bugger
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moneromooo
25 vs 27 is not really much of an improvement.
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selsta
moneromooo: you wrote somewhere that we could prune other data too theoretically
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selsta
would there be large savings there?
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gingeropolous
well, waiting for 27 GB to get gobble up by whoevers law won't be that bad i guess
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moneromooo
I have no numbers.
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moneromooo
But the bulk of what's saveable is saved.
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moneromooo
You don't really want pruned nodes to be useless to the network beyond just relaying txes/blocks.
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gingeropolous
gotcha. and regarding the "everyone should run their own remote node", ive got myself stuck in this thought because its * a lot * to expect someone who can only muster the GUI to adminster a VPS
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selsta
yea seems like the current size is already quite nice to run on cheaper VPS
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moneromooo
There's ~200 MB saved by another tool noone uses btw. prune-known-spent.
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gingeropolous
but then you say well, lets make a service where we make a web panel for ppl to run their own monero nodes in a noob way
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renamed
i has really bad luck with this irc thing.
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gingeropolous
then its like, you are once again centralized, but providing some decentralized theater
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gingeropolous
i.e., if you offer a monero node hosting service with Fancy Graphics and Buttons and Toggles
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hyc
that still sounds better, if they're all independent nodes
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hyc
can put all that in a docker image, noobs can ship that to any hosting provider
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gingeropolous
yeah, but in theory, they'd all be running on , for instance, metal that I administer
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gingeropolous
i guess if docker stuff is that easy
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gingeropolous
i tell yah, if i told a friend to just get a docker image and plop it on an AWS instance they'd laugh at me
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hyc
yeah maybe that is laughable
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gingeropolous
i guess digital ocean has more noob friendly image stuff
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selsta
are there plans to add make --sync-pruned-blocks default at some point? should we encourage users to run it so that it gets tested?
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hyc
and I'm not sure it'd be a good thing if a majority of ndoes all lives on one provider's infra
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gingeropolous
heh. as an experiment, i got a friend to get into monero mining, and didn't tell them that I'm as .... uh, here, as I am
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gingeropolous
man, they got frustrated. after a couple of days, they made there way to moneroworld on their own accord and discovered remote nodes
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gingeropolous
to paraphrase, "why the hell didn't i get told about remote nodes in the first place?" . so, the hill is still steep
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moneromooo
Because you'd have used one, duh.
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gingeropolous
this was before the GUI had the automagic thinger
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gingeropolous
yeah, they tried syncing etc.
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moneromooo
Guess we should make another coin where the node has to have your secret key in order to work.
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hyc
automagic passthru? is that in the GUI? I thought it was in the daemon
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selsta
it is in the daemon
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selsta
GUI starts daemon
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gingeropolous
yeah, but again, my friends and a command line tool.... it has to be GUI
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gingeropolous
but thats all moot now because the GUI is more awesome
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renamed
wait, xmrig is used thru the monero gui wallet?
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selsta
nope
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hyc
renamed: what are you talking about?
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renamed
would of been too easy wouldn't it? lol, i was talking about the wallet command line
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gingeropolous
naw, but they needed an address generated
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gingeropolous
i guess once storage space law wins, then it'll be a matter of reducing node bandwidth for getting monero nodes on phones
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hyc
I just run monerod with 3 outpeers on my phone
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gingeropolous
because once phones get up to, i dunno, 1 TB storage shipped, then this problem will change
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hyc
no bandwidth issues then
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selsta
since pruning got released the blockchain only grew like 3gb
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selsta
(pruned)
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gingeropolous
hyc, well, hopefully network traffic will grow... lots
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hyc
hmm. really, on an unlimited data plan bandwidth on phone isn't a problem
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moneromooo
Crap. I made it decrease. Sorry.
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hyc
but I think battery life would be
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hyc
keeping to a small number of active peers just reduces the amount of work the node has to do, extends battery life