03:34:53 <duso> freebsd pkg still at 15.05 and can't get 0.16 to compile =/
03:50:09 <scoobybejesus> V0.16 compiled fine for me. Did you checkout the branch?
03:51:20 <scoobybejesus> I wanna say I just followed the readme
04:02:36 <scoobybejesus> I mentioned here in the last week about the package/port not being updated yet
04:03:03 <scoobybejesus> I wonder if anyone can email the committer
05:13:33 <AlexAnarcho> Quick question: After downloading 0.16 GUI - the Dandelion++ is already active, right?
05:59:42 <Steven_M> Hi, does monerod need udp or tcp open?
06:03:24 <selsta> Steven_M: tcp
06:03:47 <selsta> and optionally port 53 udp/tcp for dns
06:04:03 <selsta> AlexAnarcho: if you connect to a v0.16 node yes
06:04:21 <Steven_M> selsta: thought so, thanks :-)
06:07:26 <Steven_M> I'm having isp port troubles. :-(
06:10:20 * Steven_M will be back later
06:40:33 <endor00[m]> <Steven_M "moneromooo: yeah, my VPN is forw"> Check the order of the arguments. I have the impression that if you pass the rpc-port setting before the rpc-ip in the config file, it does not bind to the port you want
06:41:03 <endor00[m]> (Or maybe it's the other way around, don't recall for sure, but I do remember having a similar issue)
06:56:24 <duso> scoobybejesus: I am buliding monerod in a jail on my freenas box, I think some of the base jail  libaries are old or something.
08:31:56 <Jackman2> hi
13:54:48 <scoobybejesus> duso, are your jails on FreeBSD 11.3?  i'm on plain ol FreeBSD, but maybe i can spin up an older jail and see what it says.  or do you wanna paste the compiler output?
16:38:43 <hyc> so dash and zcash scammers have nothing left to say https://twitter.com/chainalysis/status/1270004768220557313
16:50:19 <azy> haha
17:09:11 <netrik182[m]> nice
17:33:28 <Copenhagen_Bram1> nioce
17:37:45 <yanmaani> the guy is joking but he's right
17:37:52 <yanmaani> it is great new for dash and zcash
17:38:02 <yanmaani> now the exchanges will be interested in dealing with them
17:38:26 <selsta> zcash is already listed almost everywhere
17:38:32 <selsta> coinbase, gemini, ...
17:38:48 <hyc> doesn't matter. the only reason zcash exists is to offer privacy. now everyone should know that it's bunk. zcash has never worked as advertised.
17:38:56 <hyc> now it has no reason to exist at all.
17:39:52 <moneromooo> It does. They're constantly talking through both sides of the mouth, selling "transparent" to who wants this and "private" to who wants that. It's not very ethical, but hey, it works.
17:39:54 <yanmaani> you underestimate the KYC crowd
17:39:59 <yanmaani> say it with me: NUMBER GO UP
17:40:08 <cjd> ouch
17:40:26 <cjd> the whole crazy math thing with zcash didn't work afterall ?
17:41:34 <yanmaani> hyc: They're just tracking the in/out from the shielded pools as I udnerstand it
17:41:51 <yanmaani> oops that was for cjd, or I guess both of you
17:42:18 <cjd> ahh ok
17:44:13 <yanmaani> What has happened to Dash/Zcash/Monero on these TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE news?
17:44:19 <yanmaani> zcash is up 1.67%
17:44:29 <yanmaani> dash is up 0.91%
17:44:37 <yanmaani> monero is up 3.71%
17:47:58 <hyc> stupid markets....
17:49:21 <hyc> yanmaani: just tracking in/out from shielded pools is enough. "So even though the obfuscation on Zcash is stronger due to the zk-SNARK encryption, Chainalysis can still provide the transaction value and at least one address for over 99% of ZEC activity,"
17:50:17 <yanmaani> yeah people are idiots
17:52:15 <dsc_> https://twitter.com/Dashpay/status/1270037183353716736
17:52:34 <yanmaani> I told you so
17:52:40 <dsc_> they're ... proud?
17:52:44 * dsc_ confused
17:52:48 <yanmaani> of course they are!
17:53:05 <yanmaani> friendship ended with PRIVACY, now CHAINALYSIS CATAMITES are my best friend
17:53:49 <hyc> dsc_: it's a sensible response, spin it as a positive since their followers are too dumb to know otherwise
17:53:54 <dEBRUYNE> They also partnered with another analysis firm a few years ago fwiw
17:53:56 <dEBRUYNE> Coinfirm I think
17:54:29 <yanmaani> number go up. of course they'd rejoice
17:55:35 <Jackman2> deposit coins to binance using Wasabi wallet
17:55:38 <Jackman2> dEBRUYNE
17:55:44 <Jackman2> and tell me how it goes
17:57:01 <dEBRUYNE> Why are you tagging me? I was responding to the dashpay tweet
17:59:11 <Jackman2> because I'm talking to you
18:01:45 <yanmaani> so, the  was published "2:48 PM", which I think is 15:48 UTC. At that time, looking at the charts, DASH was entirely flat, and both ZEC and XMR rose sharply
18:04:25 <Jackman2> wow tweet news back-trading
18:04:46 <Jackman2> just ignored this guy
18:12:02 <binaryFate> Jackman2: You've been pushing it lately. Hence I'll have to ask you to not be rude to anyone and also limit the spam in general. Thank you!
18:16:58 <yanmaani> > [non-custodial mixers, chain hopping, privacy coins, more anon p2p exchanges] would give criminals[sic] more ways to hide their cryptocurrency activity and make transactions more difficult to track. Nonetheless, we feel confident that[sic] with collaboration between cryptocurrency businesses, law enforcement, regulators, and blockchain analysis companies like Chainalysis, we’re [Chainalysis] more than
18:17:00 <yanmaani> capable of meeting the challenge.
18:17:02 <yanmaani> what's this mean?
18:18:12 <moneromooo> This means "we spy on what we can, and we rely on the govt to protect our business model^W^W^W^Wshut down the rest hard".
18:18:47 <yanmaani> in other words, it means that they don't feel confident at all?
18:19:20 <moneromooo> I don't read it that way. But such bullshit is always confident, whether they're confident or not.
18:19:38 <hyc> it means their grasp is tenuous
18:20:07 <moneromooo> It means they're calling daddy for help, and they expect to get it.
18:20:59 <binaryFate> I think by the following ranking 1) fair with no premine, 2) not tracked by any chain analysis company, 3) sorted by market cap
18:21:05 <Jackman2> there is this theory that with the FATF travel rule, some non-compliant exchanges will appear, and that users from those exchanges will use monero to transfert their coins between non-compliant and compliant exchanges to hide the fact that they use non-compliant exchanges
18:21:06 <binaryFate> Monero is n°1
18:21:13 <Jackman2> what's your opinion on this?
18:21:43 <Jackman2> hyc give me your expert opinion
18:22:03 <hyc> what is the point of using the two different exchanges you refer to?
18:22:16 <yanmaani> this conversations seems entirely disjointed to me
18:22:27 <binaryFate> Jackman2: the travel rule only apply to VASP (exchanges in your example). You can break the travel rule obligations by simply sending to your personal wallet in between. You don't need a non-FATF-compliant exchange for that.
18:22:28 <Jackman2> to use the compliant one to withdraw to fiat
18:22:30 <Jackman2> idk
18:22:37 <yanmaani> you're talking to some crackpot who I can't see, so I can only guess at the insanity going on here
18:22:51 <Jackman2> I need a non compliant exchange to trade
18:23:00 <moneromooo> Yeah, the Jackman2 nick was some troll, you can disregard anything from that.
18:24:28 <fort3hlulz> muted that guy a while ago
18:24:35 <fort3hlulz> seems like I'm not missing much good lol
18:25:46 <Jackman2> hi malena[m]
18:26:17 <yanmaani> oh boy, reading the catamites' report and just got to the part about TERRRRRRISM FINANCING, it's great
18:26:24 <yanmaani> they all reuse addresses apparently
18:27:56 <yanmaani> [T]he AQB website began displaying a message inviting users to “donate to the jihad”[sic] with a QR code underneath[sic] leading to a single Bitcoin address.
18:28:03 <yanmaani> That Bitcoin address was associated with an account at a U.S.-based, regulated exchange. Law enforcement was quickly able to alert the exchange, have the account frozen, and investigate the individual who established[sic] it at the exchange, as well [sic] as transactions that contributed to that account.
18:28:29 <yanmaani> (also, why are they hiring third worlders to write their reports? Aren't they supposed to be serious guys?)
18:28:41 <Jackman2> that's a lot of sic
18:43:36 <Jackman2> hi brandelfm
18:44:18 <brandelfm> hi
18:45:10 <Jackman2> are you a monero expert?
18:45:21 <Jackman2> are you techfag or tradefag
18:46:08 <brandelfm> Nah
18:46:19 <brandelfm> Noob
18:46:22 <brandelfm> Sad
18:50:17 <binaryFate> Reason: I said not to be rude
18:50:46 <hyc> about time...
18:55:49 <yanmaani> ^
19:05:36 <ErCiccione[m]> Finally, thanks.
19:18:24 <scoobybejesus> :)
20:37:12 <KrishnAncap[m]> he was fine imo
20:37:14 <KrishnAncap[m]> better than an army of idlers
20:37:14 <KrishnAncap[m]> at least
20:47:07 <mmxxx[m]> yea, i liked that dude
20:47:11 <mmxxx[m]> *like
21:06:41 <moneromooo> Feel free to PM him and make some channel where you can read what he writes.
21:08:44 <dEBRUYNE> As far as I can see, the ban will only be temporary
21:13:41 <d4ndo[m]> A small plot of the distribution of Txs per Day: https://postimg.cc/xqhygb2w
21:16:48 <d4ndo[m]> The cumulative distribution of Txs per Day: https://postimg.cc/ft4DBK83
21:18:55 <d4ndo[m]> It is not a perfect gaussian normal distribution.
21:19:14 * d4ndo[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ZbCCOYyUeTyUErATgVGneBxo >
21:19:32 <d4ndo[m]> Better to choose the median.
21:26:47 <yanmaani> Hmm, so I watched an old chainalysis webinar, and they did say that they had zcash and dash coming soon, which we saw today. But they didn't answer any questions about Monero, more than hinting that the liquidity was poor
21:27:49 <hyc> Same thing with their webinar 10 days ago
21:27:56 <hyc> they have nothing
21:28:04 <yanmaani> yeah that was the one
21:29:01 <yanmaani> I'm surprised. Couldn't they at least do some very neutered version?
21:29:37 <hyc> d4ndo[m]: why is the distribution of txs/day interesting?
21:31:03 <d4ndo[m]> You could at least detect some anomaly.
21:31:36 <d4ndo[m]> And then guess about it.
21:34:37 <d4ndo[m]> I'm just playing with the data a bit.
21:41:06 <d4ndo[m]> And no - i am not an employee of chainalysis. XD
21:41:48 <yanmaani> surprised how nobody's created an assassination market for the chainalysis guys yet
21:43:42 <philogy> people who really care about anonymity can just use privacy coins like Monero so they don't have to worry about having to assassinate anyone.
21:44:28 <d4ndo[m]> Math is more reliable than guns.
21:46:42 <philogy> plus you can't really assassinate software
21:52:51 <KrishnAncap[m]> that's how revolutions across the globe freed people
21:52:54 <KrishnAncap[m]> by lurking in corners
21:52:58 <KrishnAncap[m]> with some software
21:53:06 <KrishnAncap[m]> instead of killing tyrans
21:53:30 <KrishnAncap[m]> because Killing is very bad bad
21:53:34 <KrishnAncap[m]> no good
21:54:30 <KrishnAncap[m]> I advocate for murder
21:55:38 <yanmaani> philogy: You can hypothetically assassinate the proprietors of an evil business, though.
21:56:19 <philogy> yanmaani: yeah true
21:56:32 <philogy> KrishnAncap[m]: I thought ancaps believed in the NAP
21:57:24 <philogy> although this is a Monero irc so let's not get political, nvm what I said
21:58:39 <KrishnAncap[m]> I'm open minded to murder
21:59:21 <d4ndo[m]> Monsanto!?
21:59:50 <KrishnAncap[m]> you wanna murder Monsanto guys?
22:03:27 <d4ndo[m]> I'd rather hack their minds. Convinve them to do the opposite.
22:03:35 <endor00[m]> <yanmaani "Hmm, so I watched an old chainal"> Maybe that's why the number of Monero transactions has been increasing for a while: they generate new outputs that can end up in legit transactions and then use those to untangle the web of decoys.
22:04:09 <endor00[m]> Combine that with poor opsec and information pulled from nodes, and you might get close enough to get a flag
22:05:50 <d4ndo[m]> The problem with Monsanto is they destroy biodiversity with their poison. So you can't vote with your feet and you just can't buy the dirt.
22:05:51 <endor00[m]> After all, 10k tx/day at today's fees is what, 100$/day? Maybe even less? For a company their size, that's peanuts
22:11:42 <d4ndo[m]> What if the NSA did the same thing. Would that increase the entropy again.
22:11:43 <Quotes> NSA? Morono protects me.
22:19:24 <endor00[m]> I would assume that if an org like the NSA were in on it, they would definitely be aware of Chainalysis' attempts, and would surely find a way to get a copy of the information they dig up
22:20:29 <endor00[m]> After all, what's the point of being the NSA if you can't even force a national company to hand over their data
22:29:25 <yanmaani> One solution to this could be to have the amount of users statically determined with each release, and then use that instead of n transactions
22:30:11 <yanmaani> so instead of saying, find N transactions out of k (where N is hardcoded), say "find N/n*k transactions out of k" (where n is the total estimated user count)
22:33:06 <endor00[m]> Unless I am misreading something, this exact problem was analysed in the MRL-0001 paper in 2014: https://web.getmonero.org/resources/research-lab/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf
22:38:16 <endor00[m]> With 10 mixins, one such attack would have to control ~90% of the available tx outputs to uncover 1% of the new transactions over a specified time frame, so as long as at least 10% of the network is made of legit transactions, the odds of them pulling that off is relatively low
22:39:30 <endor00[m]> However, 100$/day in transaction fees is a pretty low entry barrier for such an attack
22:39:37 <d4ndo[m]> Interesting.
23:07:51 <hyc> yeah, flooding attack, already well researched