00:00:44 <moneromooo> It's to decide where to request blocks from when you start your wallet, to hide your exact previous sync state.
00:01:29 <magnum90> i leave it as is
00:01:56 <magnum90> am i right about many useless defines on wallet2.cpp
00:12:16 <magnum90> genesis has version 1 and transfer is not working
00:12:22 <magnum90> aemon_send_resp.status != CORE_RPC_STATUS_OK. THROW EXCEPTION: error::tx_rejected
00:12:40 <magnum90> block 1 has v12
00:12:54 <magnum90> block 0 version 1
00:20:11 <magnum90> tx is rejected because of old version
00:29:14 <Steven_M> Hi all. :-)
00:31:14 <Steven_M> Has anyone here used SimpleSwap, is so what did you think of it?
00:50:33 <Steven_M> I meant *if* so
14:35:19 <Mochi101> moneromooo, you around?
14:46:36 <moneromooo> I am.
14:47:03 <moneromooo> You could I am an aspherical cow...
14:57:14 <Mochi101> Something is strange with the RPC Pay stuff.
14:57:21 <Mochi101> I set it up... It was working fine.
14:58:12 <Mochi101> and then... It's done something really strange... doesn't work anymore... no more mining... everything has slowed down when I do rpc_payment_info
14:58:18 <Mochi101> opening the wallet takes forever now
14:59:48 <moneromooo> Do you have any RAM left :)
15:00:37 <Mochi101> Windows taskman says ~55% used
15:00:40 <Mochi101> https://lewd.pics/p/?i=6aO3.jpg
15:00:45 <Mochi101> This is how it was going...
15:01:02 <moneromooo> Is it actually mining (as reported by rpc_payment_info) ?
15:01:40 <Mochi101> It was... but then it just stalled out... so I closed it and reopened it.
15:01:58 <Mochi101> 2020-05-02 21:12:06.691	11304	INFO	logging	contrib/epee/src/mlog.cpp:273	New log categories: *:WARNING,net:FATAL,net.http:FATAL,net.ssl:FATAL,net.p2p:FATAL,net.cn:FATAL,global:INFO,verify:FATAL,serialization:FATAL,daemon.rpc.payment:ERROR,stacktrace:INFO,logging:INFO,msgwriter:INFO
15:02:18 <moneromooo> And now, is it (1) stalling and (2) mining ?
15:02:47 <Mochi101> Seems stalled.
15:03:18 <moneromooo> Does top show it taking 100% CPU ?
15:03:39 <Mochi101> I just did an rpc_payment_info and it gave me my ID, secret key and then it was really slow at saying error: failed to query daemon
15:03:54 <Mochi101> No, fans aren't even on
15:03:59 <moneromooo> Ah, timing out on daemon RPC then I guess.
15:04:05 <Mochi101> I will restart the daemon.
15:04:16 <moneromooo> Wait
15:04:25 <moneromooo> pstack `pidof monerod`
15:04:27 <Mochi101> Well... they are both local... but... yeah it's going around the world or something and then coming back to me.
15:04:32 <moneromooo> Let's see if it's stuck somewhere.
15:04:46 <Mochi101> *ahem* Windows
15:04:57 <moneromooo> OK, restart then.
15:08:05 <Mochi101> ok... seems it was just a communication problem
15:08:25 <Mochi101> they're both local but I send traffic through a VPS
15:08:56 <Mochi101> So wallet goes out into the wild and then comes back in to the daemon.
15:09:53 <Mochi101> This is interesting stuff though.
15:10:21 <Mochi101> Sorry to bother.
15:10:40 <Mochi101> There was just no indication of timeout or anything like that.
15:10:44 <moneromooo> np, I could totally believe there's a bug.
15:11:02 <Mochi101> Also, it seems that credits are only for current session... is that correct?
15:11:35 <Mochi101> Well, I'm going to set an RPC Pay node up and run it full time... See how it all goes.
15:11:48 <moneromooo> Credits time out 6 months after the account was used last (or whenever the deamon owner nukes the credits file)
15:12:23 <moneromooo> When you restart simplewallet, it'll roll new key, for privacy reasons. You can tell it to reuse the previous key though, for less privacy and to reuse any credits you already had.
15:12:38 <Mochi101> oh I see
15:12:55 <Mochi101> So probably I got a new key and lost the credits that I previously had.
15:13:34 <moneromooo> Probably. The wallet stops after it gets 50k or so, so you'll never have a huge balance anyway.
15:13:52 <moneromooo> < Mochi101> I just did an rpc_payment_info and it gave me my ID, secret key[...]
15:13:58 <Mochi101> How will mobile devices handle this stuff?
15:14:06 <moneromooo> That secret key is what lets you reuse the credits after restart.
15:14:18 <Mochi101> yeah, I figured
15:14:39 <moneromooo> They won't, unless they're made to do this. The workhorse is in the wallet lib, so they'd just need to enable/disable it.
15:15:03 <moneromooo> If they don't, the daemon returns errors with "payment required".
15:15:20 <Mochi101> yesh I seen these messages when connecting to my daemon
15:15:37 <Mochi101> and it won't even let you update the blocks hey
15:16:06 <moneromooo> Like a credit card, refresh and pay later ? Nobody will pay later :P
15:16:30 <Mochi101> Would be nice to be able to mine on a computer and then use a key in Monerujo or something.
15:16:59 <Mochi101> So get your credits on your computer... then allow your mobile wallet (or wherever) to be able to use them.
15:17:10 <moneromooo> That's the idea, yes.
15:17:40 <moneromooo> Reminds me needmoney90 had some idea about making the link betewen computer/mobile hidden...
15:18:19 <Mochi101> or be able to just outright buy credits from a node
15:19:01 <moneromooo> The node owner can bump your balance (manually). You could make a deal.
15:19:51 <moneromooo> Like a website where you ask for pubkey, you give a subaddress, receiving some money on it bumps the pubkey's credit balance.
15:19:55 <Mochi101> I mean like an automated sort of thing... Maybe that might be spammy though.
15:20:08 <Mochi101> oh that's a good idea moneromooo
15:20:35 <Mochi101> That's an awesome idea.
15:20:51 <moneromooo> Most nodes don't have payment setup atm anyway, so people will just change nodes.
15:21:23 <Mochi101> I guess hey.
15:21:30 <moneromooo> I have a suspiscion assholes like chain analysis company will continue to run "free" nodes.
15:21:32 <Mochi101> "premium" service maybe
15:21:45 <moneromooo> You'll pay with your privacy.
15:21:56 <Mochi101> exactly
15:22:01 <yanmaani> Mochi101: Chaumian ecash?
15:22:19 <yanmaani> I think you'll have enough incentives to run nodes
15:22:28 <yanmaani> If you're a miner, you can collect txn fees, right?
15:22:35 <yanmaani> and so, you'd want for people to send transactions
15:22:46 <yanmaani> so of course you run nodes for free
15:24:17 <Mochi101> Well... I'd pick a public node like node.xmr.to befor I went with some random.
15:24:46 <Mochi101> So I think the value comes in the entity that's running it.
15:28:08 <yanmaani> What services do these nodes provide? Blockchain CDN, transaction acceptance, what more?
15:28:18 <Mochi101> What is the "Credit discrepancy this session: ##" referring to moneromooo ?
15:28:39 <moneromooo> Difference between "I thought this was gonna cost X" and "It actually cost Y".
15:28:49 <Mochi101> oooh
15:29:20 <moneromooo> Ideally it'd be 0. Non zero means the wallet estimates wrong, or the daemon scams, or gives you cheaper stuff.
15:29:28 <moneromooo> More likely the former :)
15:29:37 <Mochi101> Can it be negative?
15:29:50 <moneromooo> Yes.
15:29:59 <Mochi101> I win if it's negative hey.
15:30:02 <Mochi101> :D
15:30:21 <moneromooo> Can't recall which direction it goes, but yes :)
15:31:37 <Mochi101> So basically this is all like a lottery though hey... someone is submissing some hashes on your behalf but you only really get something out of it if that person actually mines a block right?
15:32:32 <moneromooo> Yes.
15:33:04 <Mochi101> So like playing Lotto 6/49 but with a billion times worse odds?
15:33:11 <Mochi101> ;)
15:33:27 <moneromooo> No idea about how odds compare.
15:33:39 <Mochi101> Yeah, I wasn't being serious.
15:33:54 <moneromooo> You have control over the diff and credits per hash found.
15:35:14 <Mochi101> I seen that yeah, I just left it at the default stuff though.
15:35:39 <moneromooo> I don't know whether the default's appropriate fwiw.
15:36:29 <moneromooo> yanmaani: most RPC are gated.
15:37:00 <yanmaani> moneromooo: Sorry, missed some context here
15:37:03 <yanmaani> what do the RPCs do?
15:37:33 <moneromooo> Well, a lot of stuff. This was a reply to "< yanmaani> What services do these nodes provide? Blockchain CDN, transaction acceptance, what more?"
15:37:55 <moneromooo> There's stuff for getting output data, relaying txes, getting historical block/tx data, etc.
15:38:33 <moneromooo> Getting txpool state is also a common used one.
15:39:08 <yanmaani> This doesn't seem so burdensome. Relaying txes = transaction acceptance
15:39:16 <yanmaani> mempool too, yes
15:39:33 <yanmaani> But what would you charge for, exactly? There's an incentive to accept txns already is my point
15:40:08 <moneromooo> From when you were away: < moneromooo> I don't know whether the default's appropriate fwiw.
15:40:23 <moneromooo> (the default "price")
15:41:01 <Mochi101> yanmaani, paying with hashes though hey
15:42:34 <yanmaani> Mochi101: What?
15:42:51 <yanmaani> you'd hash some on your computer and get a blinded token for node X
15:46:01 <Mochi101> Yes, mining on behalf of the node.
15:53:29 <Mochi101> moneromooo, Error: Error mining to daemon: Found nonce, but daemon errored out with: 'RPC payment did not increase balance', continuing
15:54:07 <Mochi101> So this happened again... I restarted the daemon... connected no problem and the wallet gave me that message and my credits were gone.
15:54:48 <moneromooo> Does your client appear in the daemon's rpc_payment_info list ?
15:55:49 <Mochi101> yes... but with my new balance
15:56:01 <Mochi101> rpc_payments was the command btw
15:56:19 <moneromooo> OK, file a bug please.
15:56:31 <Mochi101> OK
15:56:33 <Mochi101> :)
16:04:09 <thrmo> will the debian Monero packages be able to stay reasonably up-to-date? Debian historically is not known for keeping close to upstream or introducing major new packages for stable
16:12:17 <sunnuc[m]> > will the debian Monero packages be able to stay reasonably up-to-date? Debian historically is not known for keeping close to upstream or introducing major new packages for stable
16:12:18 <sunnuc[m]> Yes it is maintained by Whonix https://github.com/Whonix/monero-gui/blob/master/README.md
16:26:21 <ErCiccione> thrmo:  There are two entities that are managing debian packages. Whonix is maintaining an external repository that cna beasily be added you your sources.list Another group is maintaining monero CLI packages for Debian 'unstable' and 'Testing'. If you are using one of the tow, you can install monero by simply doing `apt install monero`, without the need to add an external repo
16:41:07 <kinghat[m]> is the moo-updater in "the repos"?
16:41:34 <kinghat[m]> windows has their own package manager now as well
16:41:49 <thrmo> thanks ErCiccione
16:54:29 <Mochi101> Credit discrepancy this session: 73958 (5374.85%)
17:00:22 <moneromooo> o_O
17:03:35 <Mochi101> Yeah, kind of a strange number hey.
17:04:53 <Mochi101> Seems it doesn't really pay any attention to the "Credits Target" value either moneromooo
17:05:33 <Mochi101> Both the client and the daemon tell me I'm over 55000 credits and the target is 50000
17:06:28 <Jackman2> hi
17:07:06 <Jackman2> moneromooo will there be usdt on tori swappable trustlessly with monero?
17:07:10 <Jackman2> I want this
17:07:19 <Jackman2> tari
17:07:21 <Jackman2> idk
17:07:26 <Jackman2> toritari
17:07:39 <Jackman2> atoritary
17:07:42 <Jackman2> authoritary
17:08:08 <Jackman2> COINCIDENCE??!
17:08:17 <fluffypony> Jackman2: better question for #tari, I think
17:08:18 <Jackman2> are yiu black sorcerer
17:08:33 <Jackman2> yeah smart to try to look as dissociated as possible
17:09:02 <Mochi101> hehehe
17:10:11 <Jackman2> hi Mochi101
17:10:21 <Mochi101> hello
17:10:24 <Jackman2> are you a monero inner mechanism expert?
17:10:33 <Mochi101> no
17:10:37 <Jackman2> what's your level of nerd financial knowledge from 0 to 10
17:10:38 <Jackman2> ?
17:11:00 <Mochi101> I don't know.
17:11:33 <Mochi101> I'm probably a bit more than average.
17:11:50 <Jackman2> so 5.5
17:11:53 <Jackman2> or 6
17:12:08 <Mochi101> and you?
17:12:17 <Jackman2> what would please you the most as a new implementation in monero?
17:12:23 <Jackman2> me about monero I'd say 3/10
17:12:43 <Jackman2> or maybe 4
17:13:05 <Jackman2> and about implementation, atomic swap would please me the most
17:13:10 <Jackman2> what about u
17:13:39 <Mochi101> return addresses
17:15:43 <Jackman2> yah great idea
18:04:43 <Jackman1> hi msvb-mob
18:05:06 <msvb-mob> Hello Jackman1.
18:05:48 <Jackman1> what are you
18:05:50 <Jackman1> trader?
18:05:52 <Jackman1> nerd?
18:05:56 <Jackman1> geek?
18:06:01 <Jackman1> rich or poor?
20:58:02 <d4ndo[m]> poor
20:59:54 <d4ndo[m]> Can trading really make money?
21:01:45 <Jackman2> no
21:01:49 <Jackman2> it's all fake
21:02:04 <Jackman2> banks have traders and pay them millions but they never make money
21:02:22 <d4ndo[m]> Thoought so.
21:02:37 <Jackman2> it's one of the biggest industry of the world but nobody ever made money out of it
21:02:50 <Jackman2> it's all fake scam illusion
21:03:56 <d4ndo[m]> sarcasm doesn't work in text form.
21:04:20 <d4ndo[m]> You need to set the ironie flags.
21:05:58 <d4ndo[m]> I dont know. All this thechnical analytics is bullshit to my opinion.
21:07:00 <asymptotically> woah, the chart looks like a cock and balls! that means that the price is going to go up 350% in the next 5 minutes!
21:07:42 <d4ndo[m]> XD
21:09:46 <d4ndo[m]> I just use this indicator : https://alternative.me/crypto/fear-and-greed-index/
21:10:22 <d4ndo[m]> On extreme fear is a good time to buy some.
21:24:57 <d4ndo[m]> I could trade weed for Monero. That could work.
21:26:05 <d4ndo[m]> You just scan a QR-code in the central park and my quadcopter/drone delivers the package.
21:26:33 <d4ndo[m]> drops it with a parashut
21:28:42 <d4ndo[m]> Or maybe just an app that transfers the gps location.
21:29:06 <d4ndo[m]> No - wait Apple wont allow it.
21:29:23 <d4ndo[m]> An onion site.
21:31:42 <d4ndo[m]> But the police could just follow  the drone to my place. So not so good idea
21:35:54 <d4ndo[m]> I could add a RingCT to my drone.
21:39:09 <yanmaani> I can't tell who you're talking to so it much be one of the schizos
21:39:39 <yanmaani> we should have as policy to tell the degenerate gamblers to fuck off to #monero-markets though
21:42:22 <d4ndo[m]> True.
22:08:50 <a8_> hey guys
22:08:57 <a8_> so i was just watching monerod sync
22:09:04 <a8_> and i see this "2020-06-02 21:53:36.633 I Host 67.189.67.222 blocked." what is that about?
22:31:43 <moneromooo> I thought that was just someone having an idea and monologing it  ?
22:32:24 <moneromooo> a8_: that peer sent something repeatedly which your daemon did not like.