04:06:29 <Karu97> Hi folks - apologies if this ends up being a false alarm, but I believe I may have been served a malicious installer from the official site. The hash sum does not match with the site contents, and the installer drops a trojan of some sort.
04:06:38 <Karu97> 56a9c895eec48f1532e41d8f07e4f0749946359ad6375d7d981d6d3db6efd75b  monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.15.0.4.zip
04:07:20 <Karu97> should be 9b61fa807c66ebe3010869d1fa926fe033a2c82e6e660ca8acb75a8fba0248a0
04:08:11 <Karu97> a subsequent download of the same file validates as expected
04:10:14 <Karu97> sorry, that "should be" is 874ebbfcf79d09c60e2d85d09e5b8b971066c6355dfc2a5eca6d109d32e45ddb, previous was the zip version, my download was the installer
04:13:37 <Karu97> ..and the download link gave me a zip for the installer. curious.
04:14:16 <d4ndo[m]> 9b61fa807c66ebe3010869d1fa926fe033a2c82e6e660ca8acb75a8fba0248a0 is ok
04:14:18 <xmrscott[m]> Oh no. ERC-20 tokens are being used by Reddit. What is the world coming to
04:14:25 <cannon-c[m]> downloading from random exit node to check
04:14:38 <Karu97> this was over tor if that matters
04:14:47 <cannon-c[m]> only way to use internet
04:16:11 <d4ndo[m]> 874ebbfcf79d09c60e2d85d09e5b8b971066c6355dfc2a5eca6d109d32e45ddb  monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.15.0.4.exe is ok
04:16:39 <cannon-c[m]> 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92   is this the correct GPG signing key fingerprint
04:16:43 <cannon-c[m]> for the signed hash file?
04:17:23 <Karu97> that validates
04:17:45 <Karu97> ok, so the problem isn't that a download link is serving garbage, the problem is that I wound up with a completely different file (there is no zipped installer that I can see)
04:20:30 <cannon-c[m]>  wget https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/win64
04:20:56 <cannon-c[m]> yields a file called win64 and hash 9b61fa807c66ebe3010869d1fa926fe033a2c82e6e660ca8acb75a8fba0248a0  which is what shows in the signed hash file
04:21:21 <cannon-c[m]> I had to add .zip extension to that download
04:21:21 <Karu97> welp. guess it's time for me to nuke and reinstall. Thanks for checking!
04:21:25 <cannon-c[m]> you getting something different?
04:21:44 <Karu97> I only got the weird file the first time, upon redownload, I get a valid hash.
04:21:49 <cannon-c[m]> and windows installer, correct?
04:21:52 <Karu97> correct
04:22:13 <Karu97> there is no "monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.15.0.4.zip" (installer ZIP, the official is an exe)
04:22:23 <cannon-c[m]> can someone else in here confirm if 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92   is correct signing key though?
04:22:35 <d4ndo[m]> You can verify the hash file with gpg uising the key of binaryfate https://github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys
04:22:39 <cannon-c[m]> even if this is what the hash file shows as signed by, how can I veify this ? whos key is it?
04:23:58 <d4ndo[m]> 81AC591FE9C4B65C5806AFC3F0AF4D462A0BDF92 is ok
04:28:20 <d4ndo[m]> cannon-c: try gpg --fingerprint --verify hashes.txt
04:31:04 <d4ndo[m]> cannon-c: gpg --verify hashes.txt
04:31:31 <d4ndo[m]> it shows the fingerprint.
04:39:53 <d4ndo[m]> Another topic. It seems that this site https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html creates a wrong "Public Address".  The first 128 Bit are ok but the last 128 Bit differ from the official Monero wallet.
04:41:47 <d4ndo[m]> I leave the Payment id ""empty.
04:47:24 <d4ndo[m]> Ups- Sorry. No it works fine.
04:48:20 <d4ndo[m]> I used it wrong.
06:02:32 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] RowanSkie#0432>: say, anyone online right now? I want to try making my monero node public but using my external ip fails to bind the rpc server
06:28:03 <Steven_M> Hi all, I've been on a big break, is the mymonero web wallet still running and recommended?
06:29:06 <endogenic> it is still running yes
06:32:29 <Inge-> hi Steven_M. No changes in wallet recommendations since you were last here I think.
06:34:27 <Steven_M> Hi Inge- , thanks. :)
07:05:28 <d4ndo[m]> Mymonero ist a downloadable wallet now.
07:23:07 <rbrunner> MyMonero is *also* a downloadable wallet now.
10:15:41 <neoflux[m]> Can Monero be implemented with IPLD? ipld.io
10:15:59 <neoflux[m]> Wouldn't this be like the Kovri?
14:38:43 <d4ndo[m]> If Bitcoin were the telnet of "client server protocols", then Monero is ssh.
15:39:58 <TrasherDK> Nah, d4ndo[m]: It's more like FTP compared to SFTP.
15:41:18 <TrasherDK> chroot'ed sftp :P
15:42:26 <d4ndo[m]> Running on OpenBSD.
15:44:13 <d4ndo[m]> I think the dev from OpenBSD invented those jails, didn't he.
15:44:58 <d4ndo[m]>  Theo de Raadt
15:56:30 <TrasherDK> Really? Some BSD dude invented chroot?
15:58:33 <TrasherDK> Chroot was first utilized in the development of Unix version 7 in 1979. It was later added to BSD on March 18, 1982.
16:18:13 <d4ndo[m]> jails. The functionality was committed into FreeBSD in 1999 by Poul-Henning Kamp after some period of production use by a hosting provider, and was first released with FreeBSD 4.0. quote Wikipedia.
16:19:01 <d4ndo[m]> jails are chroot2.0
16:40:00 <TrasherDK> I wouldn't know about BSD, but those 20+ 3.5" floppies it took to install a base Minix system, I'll never forget.
16:43:46 <d4ndo[m]> 3.5" is to old for me to know. Is it 1.44 MB?
16:44:13 <d4ndo[m]> I used CD already
16:47:42 <d4ndo[m]> We still had 56k Modem so i bought a linux CD from the book store.
16:48:48 <d4ndo[m]> Debain Something 2.4 Kernel i thiink.
16:48:59 <d4ndo[m]> or 2.6
16:48:59 <TrasherDK> To achieve maximum compatibility, you would have 5½" 360K/1.2M and 3.5" 720K/1.44M
16:49:12 <Inge->    ^
16:51:38 <d4ndo[m]> Wow. That is nothing now a days. 360K
16:53:58 <d4ndo[m]> You could trade a gwbasic program with your friends. XD
16:55:09 <d4ndo[m]> or share
17:00:06 <d4ndo[m]> Do you guys think moore's law keeps up with this rate? So in ten years a Monero Blockchain can fit in your Wristwatch!?
17:04:06 <yanmaani> no
17:04:35 <d4ndo[m]> okay. And why do you think so.?
17:05:40 <TrasherDK> Anyone? Poly Pascal :)
17:06:25 <d4ndo[m]> The read-write speed is at the expense of capacity. <- my guess.
17:07:27 <TrasherDK> read-write speed, buy more RAM.
17:09:17 <d4ndo[m]> To volatile for my blockchain.
17:09:41 <TrasherDK> Buy better hardware then.
17:11:09 <TrasherDK> Cluster - Mirror -Cache. What kind of load are you expecting?
17:12:36 <d4ndo[m]> 5000 MBit/s read/write an it should fit in my wristwatch.
17:13:48 <hyc> 5-1/4" floppies, not 5-1/2
17:14:38 <TrasherDK> Okay. Buy some iCrap. Those guys probably have some pr-material that matches your specs.
17:14:56 <hyc> I guess that smartwatches today have maybe reasonable compute capacity
17:15:07 <hyc> but not so hot on battery life to execute all that
17:15:13 <d4ndo[m]> I guess not. As long it is not repairable.
17:15:51 <TrasherDK> Yes. RandomX for your Apple watch. I can't wait.
17:16:00 <hyc> bleah :P
17:16:28 <hyc> but I could certainly see running a wallet on your watch, at some point
17:17:01 <hyc> not sure it's the right goal. having wallet&fullnode on your phone is probably enough
17:17:36 <d4ndo[m]> Maybe in ten years we laugh about the standard hard drive of 2-4 TB from today.
17:17:40 <hyc> but you could run wallet-rpc on your phone, and have a wallet-rpc client on your watch
17:18:32 <TrasherDK> But that Asbestos to protect you from 3rd. degree burns are not helthy.
17:20:40 <hyc> huh?
17:21:49 <TrasherDK> Running a wallet and a full node on your wrist watch. That's going to burn a few electrons.
17:21:52 <d4ndo[m]> Doesn't the power consumption decrease if the transistor size gets smaller?
17:22:31 <hyc> eh? I said wallet+node on your phone, wallet client on watch
17:23:03 <d4ndo[m]> that should work
17:23:23 <d4ndo[m]> Transmit a view bytes to the phone.
17:24:06 <TrasherDK> Why not go full monty. Storage is cheap.
17:25:08 <hyc> watch battery power is too limited
17:25:31 <hyc> easy to do a low energy bluetooth link to phone, to talk to wallet-rpc
17:25:42 <hyc> asking for more than that would be too much of an energy drain
17:27:08 <d4ndo[m]> The trend is towards online shopping. So I prefer to use my PC.
17:28:47 <d4ndo[m]> And I like Monero as internet money. Whether it can exist in the offline world against cash and instant transaction is still to be seen.
17:29:53 <d4ndo[m]> Sorry for the bad english- i sometimes use a translator.
17:31:35 <TrasherDK> So, the next big thing in hardware wallets is going to be the iMonero wallet? Preferably communicating on a private censorship resistant mesh network.
17:32:29 <d4ndo[m]> That sounds pretty neat.
17:37:24 <d4ndo[m]> *is off. haveing a call in a minute.
17:54:18 <neoflux[m]>  http://bafybeidz4p265oyhfjv5uugxp42fli6qttzqf5ib3aawljr6lbgsif3nsi.ipfs.localhost:8080/
17:55:27 <neoflux[m]> Here is An Empirical Analysis of IPFS Linkability in the Monero Blockchain, if someone wants to check it out. Let me know what you think. http://bafybeidz4p265oyhfjv5uugxp42fli6qttzqf5ib3aawljr6lbgsif3nsi.ipfs.localhost:8080/
17:56:16 <TrasherDK> Maybe if you put it somewhere reachable.
17:57:27 <rbrunner> IPFS linkability? Don't understand. Something new, or still only that age-old "linkability" from pre-RingCT times?
17:57:27 <Quotes> But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
18:18:35 <neoflux[m]> Irbrunner: It has now been implemented successfully with other blockchains and the IPFS is growing and being updated constantly.
18:35:25 <rbrunner> Sorry, still don't understand - what do you mean with "the IPFS". How is "the IPFS" growing, and what's the connection to Monero?
18:36:05 <rbrunner> My question simply was: Is somebody now hosting this paper on IPFS? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299.pdf
18:36:15 <rbrunner> If yes, that's very uninteresting.
18:37:18 <neoflux[m]> rbrunner: The IPLD http://ipld.io/
18:38:47 <rbrunner> Oh, that. I think somebody mentioned this already once today. Still I don't understand how that could help Monero. Our blockchain is doing quite fine, or isn't it?
18:39:19 <neoflux[m]> There is no connection. Nobody has tried it, but in theory it should work, because it works with all hash-linked data.
18:40:51 <neoflux[m]> I don't know. Maybe it can speed up synchronization.
18:41:49 <neoflux[m]> It's also used as an additional data layer
18:44:50 <rbrunner> Without going deeper this looks like a solution in search of a problem from a startup currently burning through VC money to me ...
18:51:49 <neoflux[m]> How would you for example implement Monero as a payment and reward mechanism for a virtual game show in the future?
18:53:38 <neoflux[m]> In real time on a live streaming platform.
18:58:49 <rbrunner> Simple. I won't. Monero would not work for this. And that's absolutely no problem. Anybody that pretends they have something that "works for everything" is only good in marketing, nothing more.
19:00:57 <rbrunner> We have already ton of in-game and in-system currencies, without any blockchain, permission-full instead of permission-less, trust-full instead of trust-less, but perfectly working for their use cases
19:01:44 <rbrunner> And it would be no problem to make such a currency convertible with Monero. Just offer an exchange mechanism.
19:02:22 <rbrunner> But alas, I guess "not sexy enough" as a solution. And probably won't get you any VC money :)
19:05:33 <neoflux[m]> rbrunner:  But what about Kovri and the I2P? What's with that? Isn't this like an alternative solution to the I2P implementation?
19:07:49 <rbrunner> Things like these are just connecting Monero daemons with each other over something else than plain TCP/IP, in search of more anonymity. No new blockchain, no new messages from daemon to daemon, only the transport changes.
19:08:15 <rbrunner> You could also transport Monero transactions over carrier pigeons, if you understand what I hint at :)
19:26:36 <hyc> lol. we would need a UDP-style p2p protocol instead of current TCP/stream oriented
19:26:50 <hyc> then carrier pigeon would be perfectly usable
20:11:00 <a8_> what are the benifits to downloading blockchain vs remote node? other then mineing
20:12:18 <selsta> better privacy
20:21:25 <goldmine_compact> <a8_ "what are the benifits to downloa"> everything is much faster
20:21:54 <a8_> true
20:22:19 <a8_> thanks
20:38:49 <neoflux[m]> How about an own Social Media platform for the Monero community?  Hydra is now open-source. https://www.addthis.com/blog/2014/01/23/hydra-is-now-open-source/
20:47:32 <hyc> preference seems to be to stay on reddit because rest of crypto community is also there
20:48:49 <yanmaani> There already are custom monero platforms, like mailing lists etc
20:51:42 <neoflux[m]> You know it's not the same thing. Specially for customers who don't like to read essays on a mailing list. (the majority of people)