00:47:26 <hyc> yeah, the daemon doesn't have any per-wallet state so it doesn't matter
00:48:04 <hyc> multiple clients talking to a single wallet-rpc is a different story
01:08:08 <takel> hyc what to do about that boost file not found that exist
01:15:01 <takel> contrib/epee/include/net/http_client.h:31:10: fatal error: 'boost/shared_ptr.hpp' file not found
01:15:04 <takel> file exist
01:15:55 <takel> inserted boost_root,boost_includedir but again same result
01:38:58 <hyc> look at the actual preprocessor flags that were passed to the compiler. the only way for this to fail is if the right paths are missing
02:55:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> Hey hoing someone could help me
02:55:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> I installed moneo gui on my mac to use with my ledger nano s.
02:55:33 <ghost_matrix[m]> I transfered xmr from exodus wallet to monero gui.
02:55:45 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Arctic#5824>: yes?
02:55:50 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Arctic#5824>: what do you need help with
02:55:54 <ghost_matrix[m]> Its been 24 hours and i cant see my funds
02:56:01 <ghost_matrix[m]> sorry i posted that to early lol
02:56:12 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Arctic#5824>: oh, did the wallet GUI sync with the blockchain?
02:56:14 <derpy_bridge> <[discord] Arctic#5824>: brb gonna move to irc
02:56:47 <a8_> hello am on irc
02:56:53 <ghost_matrix[m]> wallet blocks and daemon has synced
02:57:12 <a8_> hmm. im not sure then
02:57:18 <ghost_matrix[m]> but no funds ;( im on simple (bootstraped)
02:57:37 <ghost_matrix[m]> And i tripple checked my address
02:57:52 <a8_> idk, hopefully someone more experianced can help you
02:58:36 <ghost_matrix[m]> yeah me to, i know it can take a while but this is very long
03:00:10 <ghost_matrix[m]> Shit makes me nervous lol
03:00:42 <jwinterm> take1 one gone but I had a daemon stop responding to rpc wallet and daemon commands after opening it up to external connections
03:02:10 <ghost_matrix[m]> Should i just restore the wallet or something?
03:02:46 <ghost_matrix[m]> Nevermind i fixed it :)
03:02:51 <ghost_matrix[m]> yay
03:03:09 <ghost_matrix[m]> i changed my wallet name to <wallet name>-old
03:03:17 <ghost_matrix[m]> To force refresh
03:03:34 <ghost_matrix[m]> Seems like it worked yall
03:04:12 <ghost_matrix[m]> The power of google lol
03:04:57 <a8_> :D happy for you. hope you enjoy monero for long to come
03:35:49 <ghost_matrix[m]> Thanks :) you to
06:48:40 <Inge-> Telegram ICO dead in the water - https://cryptobriefing.com/telegram-shutter-blockchain-project-following-u-s-court-order/
06:49:50 <Inge-> ghost_matrix[m]: as long as you don't get your incoming transactions followed by unknown-to-you outgoing transactions, it is usually a user error and your funds are safu :)
06:50:38 <rbrunner> Yeah, I already cried all morning. So sad.
06:52:19 <d4ndo[m]> Where can i spend Monero? Any online shops that send to germany/austria/switzerland?
06:55:14 <d4ndo[m]> I do use shopinbit.de - but i am searching for new shops that accept Monero and crypto.
06:55:58 <neoflux[m]> We should create more shops ourselves
06:56:43 <d4ndo[m]> If openbazaar would accept Monero i would sell some of my used stuff.
06:57:28 <neoflux[m]> I have a plan set up a black market website for legal goods
06:57:42 <d4ndo[m]> cool
06:57:55 <d4ndo[m]> Sell stuff without tax.
06:58:03 <d4ndo[m]> XD
06:58:28 <neoflux[m]> Yes off shore tax free. Here's a good host https://www.njal.la/
06:59:26 <neoflux[m]> This is maintained by one of the Pirate Bays founders
07:04:26 <d4ndo[m]> Not bad. bookedmarked it.
07:06:42 <neoflux[m]> Yes. I have some big plans. Just need to find some developers who agree politically.
07:09:43 <d4ndo[m]> Most shop systems are not ready for reseller.
07:10:37 <neoflux[m]> Also some kind of censorship resistant video streaming platform with free monetizing features
07:11:22 <neoflux[m]> Like an anonymous video streaming platform.
07:11:25 <d4ndo[m]> ah.
07:12:07 <neoflux[m]> It would be crazy. Anything could happen there
07:13:37 <hoplaahei> hi. I saw a guide to using Monero in Qubes + Whonix. Would rather use my existing OS. Would just Whonix in a VM be safe enough to purchase monero anonymously and transfer to wallet?
07:13:50 <neoflux[m]> I don't think the platform is legally responsible of any content that people upload there
07:13:52 <d4ndo[m]> But you must be aware that many internet providers buffer the content of Youtube. Especially the videos that are very trendy. That is the reason why the videos run smoothly.
07:17:16 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, but there is some new technology available for that
07:17:21 <neoflux[m]> https://temporal.cloud/
07:18:07 <d4ndo[m]> hoplaahei: You could use http://www.localmonerogt7be.onion/
07:20:24 <neoflux[m]> IPFS + EthDNS
07:20:59 <hoplaahei> Seems interesting. Thanks for the suggestions.
07:21:07 <d4ndo[m]> ipfs is pretty cool
07:22:24 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, they are saying that IPFS could provide the bandwidth
07:23:57 <d4ndo[m]> i heard of a nice github replacement run on ipfs.
07:23:58 <d4ndo[m]> Dont remember the name
07:23:59 <d4ndo[m]> .
07:25:56 <d4ndo[m]> .
07:27:33 <neoflux[m]> What do you mean with replacement run?
07:27:46 <neoflux[m]> You mean like an alternative for github on ipfs?
07:30:46 <neoflux[m]>  IPFS + ENS Everywhere: Introducing EthDNS https://medium.com/the-ethereum-name-service/ethdns-9d56298fa38a
07:31:46 <neoflux[m]> This is censorship resistance
07:33:04 <d4ndo[m]> Yes. A decentralised github.
07:35:15 <d4ndo[m]> DNS is a problem. Good thing the use an alternative.
07:36:22 <neoflux[m]> Yes, there is a DNS hierarchy
07:37:25 <d4ndo[m]> https://github.com/radicle-dev/radicle
07:37:48 <neoflux[m]> The top level domains are not really the top level. The root DNS is the top level
07:40:18 <d4ndo[m]> Found it: https://radicle.xyz/
07:43:55 <neoflux[m]> Nice. I wish I could find some devs now. I'm a marketing professional myself.
07:45:40 <d4ndo[m]> Devs are hard to find. Especially in peer 2 peer stuff.
07:46:06 <d4ndo[m]> p2p is next level.
07:46:40 <neoflux[m]> Indeed
07:47:41 <d4ndo[m]> I think radicle could get huge.
07:48:30 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, it's a good idea
07:50:00 <neoflux[m]> I'm going to post it and see if I can find people who appreciates it. Probably only p2p devs would.
07:51:04 <fluffypony> https://www.exploremonero.com is really pretty
07:52:02 <d4ndo[m]> The thing is. p2p is not paid in the industry. A lot of p2p devs are working for a university or hobby.
07:53:14 <SerHack> d4ndo[m]: that's me
07:54:15 <neoflux[m]> Yeah I get that. But people need to earn money too.
07:54:48 <neoflux[m]> So I would first build something that generates incomes
07:57:15 <neoflux[m]> There is no really viable decentralized alternative for Youtube yet
07:57:54 <d4ndo[m]> True.
07:58:47 <d4ndo[m]> It is likely the hardest thing to decentralise. @youtube.
07:58:52 <neoflux[m]> The WebTorrent based video platforms do not have live streaming
07:59:31 <neoflux[m]> Dlive is not decentralized and they monetize with their own shitcoin. lol
08:00:58 <neoflux[m]> There was a surge of users on Dlive after they got Pewdiepie to promote it but he hasn't been on there for months.
08:06:24 <d4ndo[m]> What about https://lbry.tv
08:08:41 <neoflux[m]> I suppose it doesn't work properly
08:09:55 <neoflux[m]> I would also somehow make sure it has quality content and not just random videos by random people. Like a more themed platform
08:11:51 <neoflux[m]> When you enter a new video platform you never know where look for the specific content that you like.
08:17:24 <neoflux[m]> Each video platform should be more themed and more openly indicated how it is biased, to satisfy a core audience
08:22:21 <neoflux[m]> I mean Youtube is almost like a children's channel with so much cat and dog videos and such strict censorship.
08:23:50 <neoflux[m]> You can't live stream on LBRY either
08:24:25 <d4ndo[m]> True.
08:25:27 <d4ndo[m]> I guess it is a hard task to decentralise a live stream.
08:26:07 <neoflux[m]> I would say Live streaming is becoming the hit because that's where the action really is and people can interact real time with the show
08:26:49 <neoflux[m]> Like in a game show
08:30:09 <neoflux[m]> I think you could do it by building a layer on top of a blockchain and use Jitsi
08:30:25 <d4ndo[m]> The reason twitch has become so popular.
08:30:58 <d4ndo[m]> Gamer streaming live on twitch has become very popular.
08:32:25 <mmxxx[m]> that is something that I cannot relate to
08:32:35 <d4ndo[m]> Noooo. I dont think jitsi will do it. You have to spread the data to thousand of users.
08:32:40 <mmxxx[m]> imagine being so passive that you want to watch somebody else game
08:32:45 <neoflux[m]> Yeah Twitch is clearly for gamers and it's also not decentralized and owned by big tech. Dlive is becoming the alternative for Twitch
08:32:49 <mmxxx[m]> Weirdo shit
08:33:05 <d4ndo[m]> mmxxx: XD
08:33:41 <d4ndo[m]> mmxxx: A lot of games are so linear. It is like watching a film. So why bother playing.
08:34:01 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, I never got that either, what's the glory in watching others game
08:34:13 <d4ndo[m]> True somehow.
08:35:42 <mmxxx[m]> Somebody mentioned lbry - doest it have original content?
08:36:41 <neoflux[m]> They are working now on an implementation of Jitsi + Matrix + IPFS + Libp2p
08:37:08 <mmxxx[m]> how far along are they?
08:39:34 <neoflux[m]> They are going to have a second meet up today about it https://matrix.org/open-tech-meetup/
08:40:56 <d4ndo[m]> mmxxx: I'm not so into the subject with video platforms - but I've heard that lbry already be quite decentralized. It has become very popular in recent months.
08:43:10 <mmxxx[m]> Ok. Thanks. Sounds interesting.
08:43:40 <neoflux[m]> Yeah I guess Lbry is alright, but there is already many of these kinds. There is Bitchute, Dlive, Peertube, TelescopeTV, Tictoc
08:45:01 <neoflux[m]> *TikTok
08:45:57 <d4ndo[m]> To my opinion. Text is way better to spread information than video.
08:47:12 <neoflux[m]> I'm just saying that the platform should be more themed with with focus on live stream and monetization and interaction with the audience
08:47:31 <d4ndo[m]> A good chat is key.
08:47:57 <d4ndo[m]> *is off for lunch
08:48:14 <neoflux[m]> Most of these alternative platforms are just full of far-right leaning conspiracy theorists videos
08:48:54 <Zero-ghost[m]> think i told the main lbry dev guy that he should be using monero as his cryptocoin for his platform.... 4 years ago..
08:50:09 <neoflux[m]> I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just saying it weans off many users. It's not commercially wise
08:51:20 <neoflux[m]> Yeah and they persistently monetize with their own shitcoins. That's also a turn off for users and content creators
08:53:35 <mmxxx[m]> Lbry has lbc...
08:54:49 <mmxxx[m]> And you're right @neoflux , bitchute is full of right wing nutjobs
08:56:45 <neoflux[m]> Yeah. It has become like a completely themed platform for only that purpose.
09:02:27 <Zero-ghost[m]> only soultion i see is to distribute the main client with an array of pre-enabled filters literally filtering everything except kittens and flowers, then as people want they can turn off different filters
09:02:45 <Zero-ghost[m]> for watching their terrorist decapitations and trump speeches
09:04:03 <neoflux[m]> People are lazy. They do not work around filters themselves. They are used to being spoon fed their news and entertainment.
09:06:23 <neoflux[m]> I would just theme the front page so clearly that the person who enters the platform know immediately what the content is about, so he can choose to stay or leave.
09:09:48 <neoflux[m]> All these platforms like Lbry are just trying to be very neutral and have people stay and spend hours exploring only to get disappointed for finding nothing really interesting.
09:24:32 <neoflux[m]> What I'm saying we need like a real Pirate TV channel
09:25:58 <neoflux[m]> Which is pirate themed and filtered so that the content most relevant to the agenda is highlighted
09:28:01 <neoflux[m]> https://njal.la/
09:29:31 <neoflux[m]> and only related ads with related merchandise
09:33:03 <charolastra> like hooks for the arm and eye patches?
09:34:50 <neoflux[m]> I was thinking something more futuristic and suitable for this digital era
09:35:46 <neoflux[m]> like a vaporwave cyberpunk style.
09:38:18 <neoflux[m]> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/4d/b1/dc4db1c340e223ef56883a33df40e00b.gif
09:38:24 <neoflux[m]> Like this
09:39:37 <charolastra> that's just a style. what would be the content?
09:39:55 <neoflux[m]> You see he has the eye patch, but it's like a Cyborg eye patch
09:40:11 <charolastra> true :)
09:41:17 <neoflux[m]> The content would be education about this space
09:41:56 <neoflux[m]> About all the tools you need like Monero
09:42:25 <neoflux[m]> and interactive game shows monetized with Monero
09:43:55 <neoflux[m]> Monero is the only crypto with a large community that is actually consistent with Satoshis original vision.
09:45:14 <Inge-> I would agree. At the same time it is fairly "primitive" in the sense that it is difficult to build a number of things on top due to the privacy nature
09:45:42 <neoflux[m]> There's over a billion dollars worth of Monero floating around just waiting to change owner
09:47:53 <neoflux[m]> A monetary system is the highest level of everything. All else falls under it.
09:49:24 <Inge-> you're preaching to the choir :D
10:05:00 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, well I'm new here. I need to introduce myself.
10:05:25 <neoflux[m]> You can't know what I know, if I don't tell you what I know
10:07:03 <Zero-ghost[m]> <neoflux[m] "Monero is the only crypto with a"> thats because its been proven without a shadow of a doubt that fluffypony is SN
10:07:38 <Zero-ghost[m]> and today only for just 10 xmr... I can share that proof with you!
10:08:30 <neoflux[m]> Creating conversation requires usually to repeat things that are obvious to many, but there might also be some people out there who don't know everything.
10:12:50 <neoflux[m]> Saying something is the first initiative for bringing something forward and creating something new.
10:14:26 <neoflux[m]> When you speak, first you got to do some kind of short repetition to make sure most people in the room are on the same page with you
10:24:09 <neoflux[m]> I'm just saying that Television with good entertainment is the key to reaching masses with anything you want to bring into their consciousness.
10:27:06 <neoflux[m]> Regular people work all day every week. They come home tired. They don't want to start researching and studying new things. They want to wind off and be entertained.
10:33:21 <thunderosa_> You are right, only frequency and repetition can reach the middle. It does require the right message of course, but delivery-wise it's only those two things. So far we've been talking to enthusiasts. We had a message and they found us.  We haven't needed the playbook,...but we will to go further. I'm glad you're thinking about it.
11:34:32 <Mochi101> fluffypony, follow the link to the downloads on this page and it 404s - https://store.tarilabs.com/pages/how-to-earn
11:38:39 <fluffypony> Mochi101: -> #tari
11:39:47 <fluffypony> also opened an issue, tks Mochi101 - https://github.com/tari-project/tari-dot-com/issues/5
11:40:27 <Mochi101> :)
11:52:16 <neoflux[m]> We got to engage in more shilling and trolling action on Twitter. Follow me there if you'd like to join my efforts @DrNeoflux
12:09:33 <ErCiccione[m]> Please no. A good thing about the Monero community is that we don't have mindless shilling, but constructive discussions
12:09:46 <neoflux[m]> Just asked Protonmail to add support for Monero instead of teaching lame tricks about how to keep Bitcoin safe from hacks.
12:11:03 <Zero-ghost[m]> is it shilling if the thing is factually good? (i like to shill for cosuming food and breathing air) 🤓
12:11:06 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, it's not shilling really, just engaging. I just used that word in self-ironic manner.
12:12:32 <d4ndo[m]> It should be feasible to save a "Proof of Existance" on tari, should it not?
12:13:15 <ErCiccione[m]> @neoflux: That's fine. I read shilling and trolling and i got triggered :)
12:13:28 <ErCiccione[m]> d4ndo: you should ask on #tari
12:16:00 <jk`> quit
12:16:24 <neoflux[m]> Yeah that's what they sometimes accuse you of doing anyway, so mind as well ruin their argument with self-irony and falsely admitting to be doing that.
12:18:27 <neoflux[m]> You know it's like: "everyone I don't like is a shill and a troll"
13:08:24 <Mochi101> Sounds like someone familiar...
13:10:29 <neoflux[m]> YouTube pulled the plug on our BTC halving coverage. https://cointelegraph.com/news/youtube-cancels-cointelegraphs-btc-halving-livestream-for-being-harmful-content
13:14:03 <fluffypony> I figured YouTube cancelled it because all the guests were anti-BTC
13:19:51 <neoflux[m]> the Bitcoin shills say this has been going on for a while already. I follow Crypto Lark from New Zealand and MMCrypto from Germany
13:20:09 <Mochi101> YouTube is really doing strange stuff lately... concerning.
13:26:30 <neoflux[m]> Crypto Lark did a great episode last month about overall internet Privacy where he gave Monero lot of coverage https://t.co/PDPRGRDIQZ?amp=1
13:38:33 <yanmaani> Does Monero have some advanced trick to prevent double-spending?
13:38:43 <yanmaani> I noticed that transactions tend to be credited with 0 confirms
13:40:43 <rbrunner> Well, there is something it does *not* have, namely "replace by fee". Once a transaction is in the pool waiting you can be pretty sure it will get mined eventually, unmodified
13:41:28 <yanmaani> How can that be enforced?
13:41:40 <yanmaani> I know chaumian ecash had some thing whereby, if you signed something twice, it would reveal the key
13:41:56 <rbrunner> Enforced what?
13:42:16 <yanmaani> How can it be enforced that higher-fee transactions wont' replace lower-fee tranasctions?
13:42:50 <rbrunner> The network simply does not support this. It won't accept another version of the "same" transaction, ever, as far as I know.
13:43:10 <yanmaani> Why can't miners just have a textbox on their page for it?
13:43:17 <yanmaani> "Submit your double spends here pls"
13:44:21 <rbrunner> Yeah, I guess that could work. But pretty hit-and-miss - how would you find the miner that gets your tx mined fast enough?
13:44:41 <yanmaani> You'd have a script that submits it to all of them
13:45:24 <rbrunner> If you can get all pools to support that. I guess the community would not like this and would mount opposition.
13:45:37 <yanmaani> what are they gonna do?
13:47:45 <selsta> Both large pools are community pools. Why would they do this?
13:48:01 <yanmaani> hefty bribes etc
13:48:10 <yanmaani> Does the security of monero depend on pools being run by good people?
13:48:24 <selsta> What is stopping all of the pools to collide and 51% attack Monero?
13:48:31 <rbrunner> Yeah, but the thought experiment it pretty interesting nevertheless.
13:48:43 <selsta> Anyway, the wallet displays if a transaction is unconfirmed.
13:48:54 <selsta> You can decide on your own if you accept 0 conf transcations.
13:49:17 <yanmaani> Wouldn't it be possible to block them cryptographically? Don't the primitives already exist?
13:49:25 <selsta> Block what?
13:49:25 <rbrunner> Yes, this would probably simply be the firm death of "zero-conf", nothing more.
13:49:33 <yanmaani> Use the same key to sign 2 different things -> key revealed
13:49:54 <yanmaani> Isn't this a vulnerability in many signature schemes already? And wouldn't this "vulnerability" fix double-spending?
13:50:04 <selsta> I don’t even know if what you are describing is possible in Monero.
13:50:17 <selsta> But 0 conf transaction are never safe.
13:50:28 <yanmaani> They would be, with this scheme
13:50:35 <yanmaani> the miners would have to be trusted not to steal the money
13:51:15 <rbrunner> I don't see right now how preparing several different transactions for the same output and sending it to several different miners could reveal anything about my keys
13:51:18 <asymptotically> iota reused a one time signature scheme :D very fun
13:51:44 <yanmaani> rbrunner: If you'd force it to always use the same nonce for signing, I mean
13:52:07 <yanmaani> then you could only ever sign one transaction lest your keys cease to be
13:52:15 <rbrunner> Well, and how would you enforce *that*?
13:52:26 <yanmaani> You'd reject signatures not using that nonce
13:52:33 <asymptotically> but which nonce is the correct nonce?
13:52:47 <yanmaani> some protocol-specific nonce say
13:52:58 <yanmaani> 0x1234123412341234 or however long it should be
14:07:51 <neoflux[m]> So IPFS + EthDNS? This could be sufficient for a censorship resistant web-TV channel. Does anyone know? https://medium.com/the-ethereum-name-service/ethdns-9d56298fa38a
14:09:38 <asymptotically> neoflux[m]: don't forget LBRY
14:09:53 <neoflux[m]> CypherpunkTV
14:13:52 <neoflux[m]> Can't do live streaming with LBRY
14:14:32 <neoflux[m]> Also LBRY is random and boring and not themed in anyway.
14:15:36 <neoflux[m]> and LBRY monetizes with their own little shitcoin
14:20:15 <neoflux[m]> Here's a company in Vancouver which provides everything but the top level domain. https://temporal.cloud/
14:30:00 <rbrunner> LBRY *tries* to monetize with their own little coin. If I look at the success of all those YouTube wannabes I am not optimistic
14:31:19 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, exactly. They are neither viable Youtube alternatives or radically something else
14:39:46 <d4ndo[m]> echo The Monero project will move the source code from github.com to radicle by december 2021 | sha256sum
14:39:46 <d4ndo[m]> 31381f1c9a83d33068e905c1f2e82cef4837674e101986d118b21c6179baa17a
14:40:24 <d4ndo[m]> As proof i have send a piconero to this seed --^
14:40:49 <d4ndo[m]> tidy fonts inkling juicy fetches lawsuit tedious recipe juvenile ticket nowhere magically duration sailor antics testing inquest eden incur phone alarms nineteen seasons edited fonts
14:41:07 <d4ndo[m]> Thats my prediction
14:41:33 <rbrunner> And why?
14:41:40 <d4ndo[m]> with timestamp
14:41:50 <d4ndo[m]> just for fun
14:42:58 <d4ndo[m]> Because github is owned by Microsoft.
14:43:47 <d4ndo[m]> Monero wont be the only project moveing.
14:44:01 <selsta> We already tried to move to self hosted Gitlab.
14:44:25 <selsta> Too many limitations so we moved back.
14:44:55 <selsta> What is the worst thing Microsoft can do? Delete the repo and all issues / PRs?
14:44:59 <d4ndo[m]> What kind of limitations?
14:45:12 <selsta> The code is distributed thanks to git.
14:45:42 <selsta> PRs / issues can be backed up. There are even services like backhub.co that do that automatically.
14:45:45 <d4ndo[m]> True.
14:46:35 <d4ndo[m]> binaries and gpg keys are hosted on github. Could be exploited.
14:46:48 <selsta> I think core team should buy a backhub subscription as Monero probably has higher chances of getting deleted than the average project.
14:47:35 <selsta> We self host binaries, Github is only a backup.
14:48:11 <selsta> You should always verify the fingerprint of a GPG key.
14:48:55 <selsta> See https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/236#issuecomment-572720802 and the following comments as to why we didn’t move to Gitlab.
14:50:27 <d4ndo[m]> Thanks for the link.
15:23:23 <yanmaani> neoflux[m]: You could just do BitTorrent + Namecoin
15:23:33 <yanmaani> no need for advanced stuff
15:33:39 <neoflux[m]> You need, because it has to be secure and accessible without browser extensions.
15:34:51 <neoflux[m]> Namecoin is neither. It's vulnerable to the 51% attack and also you can't access the domains without a specific browser extension.
15:35:03 <yanmaani> as opposed to EthDNS?
15:35:26 <yanmaani> all cryptocurrency solutions are "vulnerable to the 51% attack", for namecoin you'd need to revert hundreds of blocks
15:40:28 <neoflux[m]> Yeah, but Ethereum is so much larger that the 51% is insanely expensive
15:40:40 <neoflux[m]> *51% attack
15:41:12 <neoflux[m]> Also Brave and Opera browsers have already added native support to its domains
15:43:00 <d4ndo[m]> I'm not 100% sure but Opera has also added Namecoin by default. +Tor Browser
15:44:52 <yanmaani> neoflux[m]: Namecoin has bitcoin's hashrate
15:45:02 <yanmaani> you'd have to do a 1000+ block reorg also
15:45:20 <neoflux[m]> But Ethereum is one step further with a layer that can provide domains accessible with all browsers https://join.luxe/
15:45:35 <yanmaani> not all browsers surely
15:45:39 <yanmaani> or is it like some proxy?
15:46:21 <neoflux[m]> well all major browsers meaning Chrome and Firefox (Brave and Opera)
15:51:55 <duso> /quit/quit
16:31:46 <dxiri> Hey guys! Is there a way to use mymonero web version with a ledger nano?
16:32:14 <dxiri> I am looking for a way to keep my XMR on the ledger and interact with it without having to install anything on the laptop
16:33:10 <dEBRUYNE> dxiri: Currently the only option is the run the official Monero GUI
16:33:18 <dEBRUYNE> MyMonero does not have Ledger integration yet
16:34:07 <dxiri> is that coming soon?
16:37:35 <dxiri> dEBRUYNE: and if I install the monero gui, can I choose to sync with a remote node so I don't have to DL the whole blockchain?
16:38:01 <dEBRUYNE> Not sure to be honest
16:38:03 <dEBRUYNE> dxiri: Yes
16:38:28 <dEBRUYNE> You can basically find all the information in this guide -> https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/9901/how-do-i-generate-a-ledger-monero-wallet-with-the-gui-monero-wallet-gui
16:38:44 <dxiri> will take a look, thank you!
16:39:11 <dEBRUYNE> You're welcome
16:54:53 <Inge-> dxiri: if you have an android phone you can use ledger + Monerujo
16:55:52 <dxiri> Inge-: interesting, but I assume that would work with only the ledger nano X? I have the nano S which is only usb and no bluetooth
16:56:35 <d4ndo[m]> changer cable works with nano S
17:20:39 <kinghat[m]> d4ndo/@neoflux there is p2p live streaming over webrtc
17:22:54 <neoflux[m]> but is it secure and does it provide bandwidth for broadcasting?
17:24:40 <yanmaani> he's just an ethereum enthusiast
17:24:43 <yanmaani> leave him be
17:24:56 <asymptotically> yanmaani: mETH huffer
17:25:11 <neoflux[m]> "In January 2015, TorrentFreak reported a serious security flaw in browsers that support WebRTC, saying that it compromised the security of VPN tunnels by exposing the true IP address of a user."
17:26:53 <neoflux[m]> <yanmaani "he's just an ethereum enthusiast"> I'm not an Ethereum enthusiast. I am enthusiastic about viable solutions.
17:26:59 <yanmaani> haha
17:27:45 <neoflux[m]> I want to create a CryptoTV channel to promote Monero
17:29:07 <kinghat[m]> its just a p2p protocol, it doesnt provide bandwidth. thats the point of p2p.
17:29:20 <kinghat[m]> one of the points*
17:30:07 <kinghat[m]> its secure in the sense that webrtc coms are encrypted.
17:34:07 <neoflux[m]> it's a p2p video protocol. There are other p2p thingies too like p2p digital currency and p2p file systems
17:38:49 <kinghat[m]> no idea what youre talking about. im talking about actual live streams, not p2p video static files.
17:49:02 <neoflux[m]> p2p video calls? Person to person?
17:49:49 <neoflux[m]> From server to one person?
17:51:23 <neoflux[m]> A web-TV channel would need like a screen to be embedded into a website and then ability to broadcast to 100 000 people or more.
17:54:59 <kinghat[m]> bro, its just torrents but instead of distributing a static file its a live stream.
17:55:45 <neoflux[m]> Yeah person to person? Not to an audience as in a TV broadcast
17:56:44 <asymptotically> neoflux[m]: but if you can do person to person then you can do the TV style one
17:57:23 <neoflux[m]> Yes, but that would require bandwidth
17:57:53 <neoflux[m]> Lot of video streaming technology exists. It's the bandwidth that is the issue.
17:58:24 <yanmaani> the ethereum expert strikes again
17:58:32 <yanmaani> +b?
17:58:55 <neoflux[m]> This bandwidth issue is being solved now with these distributed servers and even blockchains like Ethereum.
17:59:06 <asymptotically> and torrents
17:59:09 <yanmaani> !ops
17:59:21 <kinghat[m]> no idea what youre talking about. its a torrent. bandwidth is provided by all the people who seed it 🤷‍♂️
17:59:33 <yanmaani> ^
17:59:36 <neoflux[m]> Why smearing buddy?  Don't you want me to promote Monero?
17:59:48 <yanmaani> the downside with this is that it doesn't have blockchain, so he can't pump his bags
17:59:52 <yanmaani> I certainly don't no
18:00:04 <neoflux[m]> Are you jealous because you are so useless?
18:00:30 <asymptotically> yeah yanmaani! get spamming people with nonsense on twitter!
18:00:33 <asymptotically> make yourself useful
18:00:53 <yanmaani> Monero is not a "number go up" establishment
18:01:45 <neoflux[m]> What are you talking about?
18:03:11 <yanmaani> monero exists for use as a currency, it's not a "totally not a security" scheme whose value builds upon the anticipated future uses
18:03:31 <yanmaani> (see: proof of stake)
18:03:45 <yanmaani> can we just ban the stupid people? please?
18:03:55 <neoflux[m]> Yes, and it's not a dev platform which can set up a TV station on
18:04:11 <yanmaani> bittorrent and namecoin works fine for this already
18:04:15 <neoflux[m]> *which you can
18:04:21 <yanmaani> stream with HLS using bittorrent for media delivery
18:04:23 <yanmaani> done
18:04:32 <neoflux[m]> So for that we need some other technology.
18:04:53 <neoflux[m]> and that other technology might be an other blockchain.
18:04:54 <yanmaani> yeah this is like complaining that your bank is not a TV station. Of course it isn't, their goal is to handle money
18:05:04 <yanmaani> no, blockchain for media streaming is horribly stupid
18:05:31 <neoflux[m]> I'm not complaining. I'm am trying to explain to you why I'm talking about Ethereum.
18:05:53 <yanmaani> you're talking about ethereum because you hold heavy bags
18:06:17 <neoflux[m]> I'm not saying that Ethereum is a better currency. I'm saying that you can build a TV station on Ethereum
18:06:31 <yanmaani> no
18:06:33 <yanmaani> no you can't
18:06:46 <neoflux[m]> I can but you can't
18:07:27 <asymptotically> nobody can do anything with ethereum. solidity is so bad that even the people that designed it can't use it properly
18:07:27 <neoflux[m]> So what is this Temporal then? https://temporal.cloud/
18:07:37 <yanmaani> fraud
18:08:19 <neoflux[m]> Just because you're dumb it doesn't mean I'm a fraud
18:09:40 <neoflux[m]> There is this thing called EthDNS which provides a censorship resistant domain
18:09:59 <yanmaani> a poor ripoff of namecoin
18:10:17 <neoflux[m]> Then you plug it with IPFS
18:10:32 <yanmaani> a poor ripoff of bittorrent
18:10:41 <neoflux[m]> Well looking at the market cap I wouldn't call it poor
18:10:41 <yanmaani> (with dogshit performance)
18:10:47 <yanmaani> see, there we have the problem
18:11:08 <yanmaani> the market cap of a technology doesn't determine its value
18:11:10 <neoflux[m]> can you prove what you are saying?
18:11:23 <yanmaani> bittorrent is a far better technology than ipfs, since it's better at sharing files
18:11:30 <neoflux[m]> You don't really know. You are just talking trash
18:11:37 <yanmaani> it does however not have a market cap, because it's not a crypto fraud
18:11:41 <yanmaani> it's still better technology
18:11:46 <yanmaani> no, try downloading a file with both
18:12:16 <asymptotically> neoflux[m]: most/almost all of the things listed on coinmarketcap are "worth" an awful lot of money, but are completely useless and not used by anybody
18:12:21 <asymptotically> seems like a pretty good indicator to me
18:12:32 <yanmaani> ^
18:13:52 <neoflux[m]> Yes, I agree that Ehtereum is worthless as a banking software, but it has other utilities
18:14:04 <yanmaani> no
18:14:14 <yanmaani> it's just blatant fraud
18:14:57 <neoflux[m]> ok so where do I get a more censorship resistant domain?
18:15:12 <neoflux[m]> Which can be viewed on all browsers
18:16:11 <neoflux[m]> Namecoin is less censorship resistant and you can't access it with all browsers
18:16:19 <yanmaani> it does not exist
18:16:27 <yanmaani> namecoin is more censorship-resistant though
18:16:37 <yanmaani> ethdns has a set of trusted third parties
18:17:00 <neoflux[m]> Here you can read: IPFS vs WebTorrent: What the value of using IPFS instead of torrent files? https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/ipfs-vs-webtorrent-what-the-value-of-using-ipfs-instead-of-torrent-files/64
18:17:42 <yanmaani> Why don't you explain it in your own words?
18:17:59 <yanmaani> IPFS is extremely slow and resource-intensive; the only reason you'd use it is to promote the filecoin scam
18:18:49 <neoflux[m]> Ok, that could be true, but I'm trying to solve the hosting issue first.
18:19:06 <yanmaani> rent a vps like a normal person
18:19:17 <yanmaani> or use Freenet, which has been around since 2002 (?)
18:19:48 <neoflux[m]> I'm not a normal person. I'm extraordinary and special. Like you
18:20:18 <neoflux[m]> You should really worship me because I know shit
18:20:52 <yanmaani> into the filter you go
18:21:54 <neoflux[m]> Thank you "brother"
18:24:04 <neoflux[m]> You have to learn to speak to people.
18:24:45 <neoflux[m]> Everyone doesn't know everything.
18:25:23 <neoflux[m]> And just because they don't know everything, doesn't mean that they are stupid.
18:31:56 <neoflux[m]> I think you are just Russophobic and that's why you dislike Ethereum. Isn't Ethereum a vpn too basically?
18:32:18 <neoflux[m]> I don't know what is the best option. That's why I'm discussing it
18:32:50 <neoflux[m]> *vps
19:34:24 <neoflux[m]>  * I think you are just Russophobic and that's why you dislike Ethereum. Isn't Ethereum a vps too basically?
22:27:45 <dxiri> question about restoring a wallet. I have a ledger and my xmr is stored there, what is the .keys file that gets stored in the computer? if that file is lost, do I just restore my wallet with my ledger mnemonic seed or something else?
22:29:09 <selsta> Yes, you can simply restore the wallet.
22:37:46 <x1r1> selsta: thanks! you mean restore the wallet without needing the .keys file right?
22:40:01 <selsta> yes
22:54:22 <x1r1> awesome
22:54:24 <x1r1> thanks!