00:23:58 <newyearday> how to avoid for block unlock_time to get block number and not usual unlock_window (60)
00:24:33 <newyearday> without changes in my case block  unlock_time = block height
00:37:21 <newyearday> anyone here
03:28:36 <x0n> is it currently still recommended to run monerod with torsocks or rather with --tx-proxy?
04:51:50 <locustlord> what cpu is best for mining monero?
05:05:05 <Inge-> best by which criteria?
05:05:29 <Inge-> AMD 3900x is pretty good
05:05:36 <locustlord> Inge-, biggest hashrate
05:05:52 <locustlord> I have about 10k in the bank
05:06:00 <locustlord> I wanna start up a crypto mining shop
05:06:07 <Inge-> so then perhaps a new epyc 64-core system?
05:06:25 <Inge-> threadripper 3970x does 35+ KH/s
05:07:46 <locustlord> hmm
05:07:47 <locustlord> ok
05:07:53 <locustlord> best hashrate per dollar
05:09:43 <niocbrrrrrr> take 10k and buy monero
05:10:23 <niocbrrrrrr> you will get more monero that way
05:55:30 <Inge-> ^
05:55:39 <Inge-> .mine 35000
09:07:33 <x0n> niocbrrrrrr: who does actually mine monero then? I mean, for someone out there it must be profitable...
09:48:35 <Mochi101> The matrix has broken.
09:49:26 <midipoet> reddit.com/r/glitchinthematrix
10:09:26 <Inge-> hm. BTC congesting
10:10:08 <Infinity8> buy buy buy
10:35:10 <x0n> is it still recommended to run monerod with torsocks or rather with --tx-proxy?
10:57:25 <newyearday> hello
16:26:50 <Al97> I am unable to create a wallet on my Nano X from the Monero GUI.  I keep getting this message: Error writing wallet from hardware device.  Check application logs
16:26:57 <Al97> Please help.
16:40:35 <dEBRUYNE> Al97: Are you running the most recent Ledger Monero App and Ledger Live firmware?
16:42:34 <Al97> I just downloaded the most recent .15.0.4 and I just did the same with the ledger.  I would think that the ledger would have given me the most up to date.  I downloaded the ledger about a week ago.
16:47:44 <selsta> Al97: What is the exact error? It should say more.
16:49:57 <Al97> That's all it says in red under the advanced options arrow whenever I click create wallet
16:51:24 <selsta> Are you running Ledger Monero app v1.5.1? Is the Ledger Monero app opened?
16:51:30 <selsta> is Ledger Live closed?
16:53:16 <Al97> it was closed.  Now its open.  I think this may have been a breakthrough (noob learning).  I will reach back out if not.  Thanks.
16:54:32 <selsta> Ledger Live should be closed
16:54:39 <selsta> so that it does not interfere with Monero
16:55:20 <dEBRUYNE> Al97: Which operating system are you using btw/
16:55:23 <Al97> It was closed when my error message came.
16:56:14 <Al97> But I opened ledger live and the device asked me to accept or reject when I clicked create wallet.  I have not selected either on the device yet.
16:56:36 <selsta> Al97: see on the bottom there should be a second message https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tdG7atJc/error
16:56:44 <selsta> this is the important message
16:57:18 <selsta> also when creating a wallet you have to accept it on the ledger by exporting your view key
16:58:33 <Al97> I am running windows 10 64 bit
16:58:59 <Al97> I just didn't know if you wanted me to accept it yet because ledger live is open
16:59:16 <selsta> yes, accept it
16:59:26 <Al97> even with ledger live open?
16:59:26 <selsta> Ledger Live being open can be a problem but not necessary
16:59:31 <Al97> ok
16:59:44 <selsta> so if there is a problem try again with Ledger Live closed
17:00:07 <Al97> ok.  asking me to give wallet a PSWD
17:00:19 <selsta> okay, seems to work now
17:00:46 <Al97> I think so.  I'll reach out if problems arise.  You guys are moneyJ!  Thanks!
17:01:00 <selsta> no problem
18:58:27 <xmrpow> @M5M400 are you there?
20:00:02 <grubles> hey i was just poking around and it seems the hashes for cli in hashes.txt on getmonero.org are for a newer release than what is downloadable (0.15.0.4)
20:00:20 <grubles> the hashes are for 0.15.0.5
20:01:46 <jwinterm> ping binaryFate I think
20:01:46 <Quotes> pong
20:06:20 <numin0us> I'm a noobie to Monero and am trying to learn a bit more about it. Ring signatures provide plausible deniability from a blockchain analysis perspective, but if a passive network adversary observes you broadcasting a send transaction does that effectively negate the senders anonymity?
20:06:53 <jwinterm> numin0us, not really
20:07:11 <jwinterm> possibly degrades it, but the adversary still doesn't know which input is the broadcasters
20:07:40 <jwinterm> there's also a new feature called dandelion++ that helps mitigate passive observer information collectors
20:16:46 <numin0us> Ah cool that seems pretty neat! Can it be used in conjunction with TOR/VPNs, and does that add extra protection?
20:22:05 <numin0us> Also, is there any documentation about how new features are added to Monero? I'd be interested to know how it differs from bitcoin @jwintern
20:22:16 <numin0us> @jwinterm
20:24:05 <jwinterm> uh, it's a more speedy process for sure numin0us
20:24:17 <jwinterm> not sure how much formalized structure there is around it
20:24:36 <jwinterm> also, I believe it can be used with tor, definitely vpn
20:24:58 <jwinterm> numin0us, #monero-dev is the development channel here and there are discussions on github issues
20:25:19 <jwinterm> #monero-research-lab is a channel for discussing lower TRL type changes I guess
20:25:23 <jwinterm> further out changes
21:05:34 <selsta> 22:00 <grubles> hey i was just poking around and it seems the hashes for cli in hashes.txt on getmonero.org are for a newer release than what is downloadable (0.15.0.4) <-- GUI is v0.15.0.4 CLI is v0.15.0.5
21:29:59 <grubles> right but 0.15.0.5 is not on getmonero.org, and the non-gpg-signed hashes displayed on the web page are for 0.15.0.4 as well
21:31:13 <selsta> grubles: it is on getmonero.org
21:31:28 <selsta> can you make a screenshot?
21:31:41 <selsta> can you try a different browser / clear your caches
21:31:51 <grubles> oh yeah that's my mistake
21:32:00 <grubles> i somehow downloaded the gui
21:34:43 <binaryFate> hey grubles: The CLI version downloadable on getmonero.org should be 0.15.0.5 and this is indeed the case as far as I can see. Did you maybe confuse with GUI version (still 0.15.0.4)?
21:35:28 <binaryFate> ah I missed the last lines of discussion above. Nevermind, glad you sorted it out
23:33:32 <newyearday> on blockchain.cpp there is "unlock_time is either a block index or a unix time"
23:33:44 <newyearday> in my case is always block index
23:33:54 <newyearday> without changes
23:34:06 <newyearday> any suggestion?
23:34:21 <ndorf> if i'm not mistaken, it is unix time only for very old transactions, like a few years ago now.
23:36:43 <newyearday> for new chain without changes when mining start always unlock_time = block number
23:37:22 <newyearday> i cant understand why decide that unlock_time must be block number and not time
23:37:42 <newyearday> i cant understand why decide that unlock_time must be block number and not 60
23:38:23 <ndorf> it's easier for every node to agree on the same block number than the same time, i think
23:38:32 <ndorf> you would only see the old behavior if you were running very old software
23:39:38 <newyearday> u mean that if i inert v12 i wont c this
23:40:39 <ndorf> also, minutes per block varies randomly. so if you only have 2 blocks in 20 minutes, instead of 10, using the time instead of the block number would result in weakened security
23:42:48 <ndorf> i'm not sure in which version the change was made. older than 0.12, i think
23:43:25 <newyearday> even if i insert v12 on 2block same behaviour!
23:43:35 <ndorf> i don't understand what you mean by that.
23:44:37 <newyearday> if i change hardfork file to start with v12 on 2block
23:44:57 <ndorf> why would you expect that to change the behavior? and why do you want to change it in the first place?
23:45:13 <ndorf> block number is the correct way, using timestamp in the beginning seems to have been a mistake.
23:46:32 <newyearday> if block number is 999 unlock_time will be 999
23:46:58 <newyearday> is this positive?
23:54:11 <ndorf> what are you using to construct the transaction? monero-wallet-cli sets it to 0 by default, at least in v0.15
23:54:32 <newyearday> im talking about new chain
23:54:33 <ndorf> but having it be the current block number has the same effect (tx can be spent immediately)
23:54:54 <selsta> ndorf: he is trying to fork monero for a few months now lol
23:55:23 <endogenic> lol
23:55:27 <ndorf> the wallet that constructs the tx picks the unlock_time. why is new chain relevant?
23:55:39 <ndorf> ah
23:55:49 <ndorf> thanks for the heads up, lol
23:56:13 <endogenic> assume everyone is i guess?
23:56:23 <ndorf> anybody who's anybody has their own monero fork
23:57:09 <newyearday> anybody who's anybody  ??
23:57:19 <niocbrrrrrr> I am nobody :(
23:57:41 <newyearday> nobody is nobody