01:19:19 <RowanSkye> I got a question
01:19:45 <RowanSkye> does anyone have a torrent version of the blockchain?
01:21:22 <selsta> no
01:21:26 <RowanSkye> ok
01:21:34 <selsta> sync up using the daemon, it also uses P2P
01:31:51 <moneromooo> Yes.
01:32:10 <moneromooo> !torrent
01:32:14 <moneromooo> something like that.
01:35:30 <Mochi101> .torrent
05:33:33 <RowanSkye> .torrent
05:33:50 <RowanSkye> !torrent
05:34:07 <RowanSkye> huh, weird
05:34:36 <RowanSkye> .help
05:34:36 <hv-bridge> <M​oss> I have the following titbits in my database: .wallet [currency_code] Displays wallet info for the pool room .xmrig Links for XMRig + Guides .asic Message for GPU miners on ASIC coins .safety Maurice Moss's Crypto Safety Rules .exchangeMining Pros and Cons of mining into exchanges
05:36:02 <RowanSkye> it doesn't work?
05:36:05 <RowanSkye> .wallet
05:36:06 <hv-bridge> <M​oss> Monero Wallet & Remote Node We have some step by step guides: https://hashvault.pro/guides/wallet/monero GUI Download https://ww.getmonero.org/downloads/ CLI Download https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases Remote Node Host: nodes.hashvault.pro Port: 18081 CLI Command Argument --daemon-host=nodes.hashvault.pro
07:00:53 <midipoet> selsta: it is clearer. thanks for the link. An account is a selection of subaddresses derived from the seed, and then presented to the user as a collection. if you create another account, they are still subaddresses derived from the seed, but presented as a separate collection.  However, there is still only one main (4....) address/public key for your wallet, correct?
07:36:58 <UkoeHB_> Correcto
09:38:19 <dpcxpert> who in here uses Monero?
11:15:11 <visualshock> If I want to backup my wallet all I need to do is to backup the .key file right?
11:15:39 <moneromooo> And the password.
11:16:30 <visualshock> Will it also backup the accounts/addresses/labels?
11:19:41 <moneromooo> No. You need the wallet cache for that.
11:25:24 <visualshock> Where do I find the cache?
11:30:01 <moneromooo> Next to the keys file. If your keys file is foo.keys, the cache file is foo.
14:01:50 <visualshock> Is integrated addresses still a thing?
14:02:06 <moneromooo> Yes.
14:02:35 <visualshock> What is the command to create one?
14:02:46 <Inge-> ErCiccione[m]: I'd suggest checking in MRL regarding the audit - sarang probably has fairly up-to-date information on it. But clearly the actual fork/release date for including clsag is still months off.
14:03:03 <moneromooo> integrated_address
14:07:18 <visualshock> Is the payment ID integrated into the matched address?
14:07:44 <moneromooo> Defined "matched".
14:07:55 <visualshock> matching*
14:08:02 <moneromooo> Define "matching".
14:08:29 <moneromooo> A payment ID is integrated into the integrated address, if that answers your question.
14:08:51 <visualshock> So the payment id returned is more for lookup?
14:09:15 <moneromooo> I don't understand what you're asking.
14:10:12 <Inge-> monero address + payment_id = integrated address  (only short form payment id. the older long form payment IDs are no longer usable)
14:11:06 <visualshock> Which address will it use to create the integrated one?
14:12:07 <moneromooo> The one from the wallet you run it from, unless you specify another as parameter.
14:12:23 <moneromooo> er, I think it can do that, lemme check...
14:13:12 <moneromooo> No, it doesn't. So it's your address.
14:14:19 <visualshock> The one labeled "Primary address"?
14:14:36 <moneromooo> Probably. The one that starts with 4, there's just one.
14:16:44 <ErCiccione[m]> Inge-: is sarang himself that passed the task of organizing the audits to the audit orkgroup or whatever is called, but yeah, he is definitely more informed than me about that
14:18:20 <visualshock> So all other addresses are derived from the one starting with 4?
14:21:22 <moneromooo> They're derived from your secret keys, from which your main address is also derived.
14:21:48 <sgp_> Does anyone in the Monero community speak Korean?
14:22:40 <visualshock> So if I backup my key (without cache) I will end up with only my address starting with 4?
14:23:42 <moneromooo> You can regenerate the subaddresses, but not the labels (since they're whatever you typed at the time and are saved in the cache).
15:13:42 <visualshock> What are the chances of generating the same integrated address again?
15:15:55 <moneromooo> Depends. If you use incrementing numbers, 0 until you generated 2^64 of them. If random, 1/2^64 if you generated one. If you use a bad random thing, more than that.
15:34:53 <visualshock> is that the [device] parameter?
16:49:09 <ludicrous_speed[> BinaryFate just posted this:  1.  Potential 32~64 rings w/ similar size and verification time as now (now=11), 2.  5-25% speed up for BP verification, including past transactions. Faster sync for all wallets soon!, 3.  50-70% speed up verification of future txs.  Anybody know if this requires hard fork?
16:55:42 <selsta> 1. yes, 2. no, 3. not sure I think yes
17:07:28 <sech1> "2. no" no speedup or no hard fork required?
17:07:56 <selsta> no hardfork required
17:08:20 <ludicrous_speed[> No hardfork required.
17:20:05 <UkoeHB_> 3. not technically, but yes if implemented will be with a hard fork
17:59:55 <xdccMule[7276IJ]> Ciao a Tutti!!!
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19:26:19 <TheFuzzStone[m]> https://decrypt.co/25800/wallet-balances-on-bitcoins-lightning-network-arent-private-new-report-says
19:27:14 <TheFuzzStone[m]> Although many BTC maxis will keep telling you about the awesome privacy of Lightning...
19:46:30 <yanmaani> You have to understand Lightning as a metaphor
19:46:40 <yanmaani> to discuss it in the year of our Lord 2020 is pointless
19:47:18 <yanmaani> It was relevant during the block size debate - Cash people said "bad scaling" and Core people said "but what about LN tho, just check back in 18 months"
19:47:29 <yanmaani> ex-post, it's not of any relevance at all
20:25:48 <UkoeHB_> a metaphor for ED or..?
20:28:12 <yanmaani> ED?
20:28:34 <ludicrous_speed[> BTC maximalists remind of Star Citizen backers (a pc game in production for 8 years).  They just keep on plowing money into a dead idea.
20:28:44 <moneromooo> Very old editor.
20:28:59 <yanmaani> thought that was spelled ed
20:29:08 <UkoeHB_> either way
20:29:23 <moneromooo> Some old systems had only uppercase if memory serves :D
20:29:37 <asymptotically> ed, man! !man ed
20:29:46 <yanmaani> dead? nah, it's just ran its course and transmuted into something different
20:47:08 <ludicrous_speed[> lol., tone vays got his yt channel banned
20:48:39 <yanmaani> how did he manage that?
20:50:17 <ludicrous_speed[> Sounds like YT is taking a hard stance against crypto to me
20:55:09 <wizardsmoke> except the Google coin
20:58:43 <ludicrous_speed[> And dont forget CCP coin.  I guess china is moving full speed ahead with their centralized crypto.
22:05:51 <ckbd19> hey folks
22:05:56 <ckbd19> xmr noob here
22:06:07 <ckbd19> I'm having some issues and was wondering if anyone would be able to help me
22:06:18 <jwinterm> waddup ckbd19
22:06:23 <jwinterm> just ask and see
22:06:33 <ckbd19> aight, cool
22:06:57 <ckbd19> so I just bought my first xmr yesterday and tried to set up the offical wallet but gave up on it after realizing the size of the daemon
22:07:07 <ckbd19> and now I've got it all up and running on a remote node
22:07:19 <ckbd19> but the funds I sent to my wallet aren't showing up
22:07:22 <ckbd19> nor are any transactions
22:07:53 <ckbd19> I have the xmrchain info but no idea how to decipher it
22:08:17 <ckbd19> pretty sure the funds went through but idk how to really check or how to make sure they end up in my wallet
22:10:03 <propatte> Is your wallet fully synchronized?
22:10:36 <ckbd19> it says it is
22:10:56 <ckbd19> I'm going through settings now to make sure
22:11:01 <selsta> ckbd19: are you using the CLI or GUI?
22:11:06 <ckbd19> gui
22:11:19 <propatte> Check in the lower left corner (GUI) if the wallet is synchronized.
22:11:29 <ckbd19> it says it is
22:11:41 <dEBRUYNE> ckbd19: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6137/how-do-i-as-a-recipient-verify-that-my-transaction-actually-arrived
22:11:46 <dEBRUYNE> You can use that to verify the transaction
22:12:10 <propatte> and for futher info check this out: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/6640/i-am-missing-not-seeing-a-transaction-to-in-the-gui-zero-balance
22:12:29 <ckbd19> yeah I actually already have both of those pulled up lol
22:12:47 <ckbd19> I'll try again real quick
22:13:22 <ckbd19> I just put status in on the log and got a could not connect to daemon
22:13:31 <ckbd19> that's probably my issue
22:13:37 <selsta> Easiest way to fix it if you received the coins but they are not showing up: Go to Settings -> Info, click on Change wallet restore height and enter the date you first started using this wallet in YYYY-MM-DD format
22:14:07 <propatte> ckbd19 yeah for sure. glad u found the issue!
22:14:07 <selsta> then click ok if it asks you to rescan
22:14:24 <ckbd19> thanks for the help y'all
22:14:49 <propatte> (^^)/
22:14:52 <ckbd19> are there any remote nodes you can recommend?
22:14:59 <selsta> node.xmr.to 18081
22:15:06 <ckbd19> sweet, thanks
22:15:06 <selsta> node.supportxmr.com 18081
22:16:29 <ckbd19> ahh I'm still getting couldn't connect to daemon. I bet my router is giving me trouble again.
22:19:45 <selsta> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/oNQk1RzJ/Screenshot%202020-04-17%20at%2000.19.40.png
22:19:52 <selsta> it should look like this when properly connected
22:20:21 <ckbd19> yeah I'm getting that but in the log it's giving me the ol' "2020-04-16 22:19:03.569 I Generating SSL certificate
22:20:21 <ckbd19> Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081"
22:21:03 <selsta> are you using simple mode or advanced mode? you can check on settings -> info
22:21:09 <ckbd19> advanced
22:21:37 <selsta> okay, on settings -> node you selected remote node and entered node.xmr.to port 18081?
22:21:49 <ckbd19> yep, that's what I did
22:21:53 <selsta> and then clicked connect?
22:21:57 <ckbd19> yeah
22:22:05 <ckbd19> I even tried restarting the client
22:22:09 <selsta> what does it say in the bottom left corner?
22:22:14 <selsta> network status
22:22:41 <ckbd19> remote node
22:23:06 <selsta> okay, sounds like you are connected
22:23:31 <selsta> > Error: Couldn't connect to daemon: 127.0.0.1:18081
22:23:36 <ckbd19> the number by "daemon is synchronized" is steadily increasing
22:23:38 <selsta> is normal due to using a restricted remote node
22:23:46 <ckbd19> ah, so should I run it as admin?
22:23:54 <selsta> no, you are using a public remote node
22:24:02 <selsta> which means you can’t execute commands on the daemon
22:24:07 <ckbd19> oh. durr. lol
22:24:08 <selsta> due to it being restricted
22:24:15 <ckbd19> should've realized that
22:24:21 <ckbd19> hmm
22:24:25 <selsta> the message is confusing
22:24:41 <ckbd19> the entirety of xmr is confusing to me haha
22:24:46 <ckbd19> compared to other cryptos I've dealt with anyway
22:25:14 <selsta> privacy makes things more complicated
22:25:18 <ckbd19> for suure
22:25:29 <selsta> did your transaction show up?
22:25:38 <ckbd19> nothing yet
22:25:40 <selsta> or is it still increasing?
22:25:45 <ckbd19> it's still going up
22:25:49 <selsta> ok
22:25:56 <ckbd19> it's at like 2078306
22:26:14 <ckbd19> would that mean it's still synching?
22:26:20 <selsta> and the bar above?
22:26:24 <selsta> what does it say
22:26:25 <jwinterm> The current block height is 2,078,306.
22:26:33 <jwinterm> that is current height
22:26:42 <ckbd19> I mean both wallet and daemon say they're synchronized
22:26:52 <selsta> okay and no transaction?
22:26:55 <ckbd19> nothing
22:27:33 <selsta> did you do what I asked in the beginning with changing wallet restore height?
22:27:45 <ckbd19> I'm gonna try now
22:29:10 <ckbd19> I think that might've done it, the wallet is synching again now
22:29:57 <selsta> still nothing?
22:30:05 <ckbd19> still synching
22:30:12 <ckbd19> and nothing
22:30:12 <selsta> ah ok, misread :)
22:30:33 <ckbd19> yeah it finished and nothing changed
22:30:46 <selsta> ok, are you sure that you received monero in the first place?
22:30:52 <selsta> did you send from an exchange?
22:30:55 <ckbd19> yeah
22:30:57 <selsta> do you have a transaction id?
22:31:04 <ckbd19> hold up I have the xmrchain info right here
22:31:22 <ckbd19> would it be safe to link that?
22:31:39 <ckbd19> if so I'll just post the url here so you can get a look at it
22:31:40 <selsta> yes. if you prefer you can PM it
22:31:48 <ckbd19> https://xmrchain.net/tx/b0981d1586807f0eaf237d4c43a55ae2754ed2f0e4b0a60c05173d978e20bf1f
22:33:52 <selsta> okay, two ideas
22:34:33 <selsta> what does it say as your restore height when you go to settings -> info?
22:34:56 <ckbd19> well, since I reset it, it says 20200415
22:35:26 <selsta> okay, can you restore a new wallet from your seed and enter 2077500 as your restore height?
22:35:49 <ckbd19> probably, it'll take me a minute though
22:37:53 <ckbd19> ok, just restored it, connecting now
22:40:56 <ckbd19> that did it selsta
22:41:00 <ckbd19> thank you so much for helping me
22:41:00 <selsta> hmmm
22:41:21 <selsta> should have shown up the first time when changing the restore height
22:41:46 <ckbd19> yeah idk why it didn't. probably because of the weird shit I did in the beginning trying to do a local node and aborting
22:43:22 <jwinterm> possibly, wallet restore has always been kinda finicky
22:43:31 <jwinterm> especially if you don't run your own node
22:43:49 <jwinterm> because you actually have to scan every block to see if it has any of your txs
22:44:01 <ckbd19> yeah I figured as much. I think I went into it a little too quickly the way I did things
22:44:09 <ckbd19> like I didn't realize I'd need 30gb
22:44:10 <ckbd19> lol
22:44:12 <jwinterm> it's not like bitcoin where you can just give it your addresses and it knows which blocks you need
22:44:24 <ckbd19> yeah, that's not something I learned until today
22:44:34 <ckbd19> xmr is pretty awesome from the privacy side of things
22:44:42 <jwinterm> I find the mobile wallets are pretty good, maybe cause they basically always rely on remote nodes
22:44:45 <jwinterm> monerujo and cake
22:44:53 <propatte> good job selsta
22:45:16 <ckbd19> good to know, I've been looking into getting mobile wallets for a couple of different cryptos
22:45:16 <Quotes> CRYPTO IS NOT CRYPTOCURRENCY ಠ_ಠ ~ IT REFERS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY, ckbd19
22:45:25 <ckbd19> lol
22:45:28 <ckbd19> nice bot
22:46:28 <selsta> restoring from seed is usually solves everything lol
22:50:43 <propatte> so, if we image monero will become the future world currency the size of the blockchain would increase faster and faster and it would get bigger and bigger. running a local node wouldn't be practible anymore right? it just took me half of the day to sync my new local node. isnt that a problem?
22:51:09 <ckbd19> I was kinda wondering the same thing earlier propatte
22:51:33 <ckbd19> since I waited like 24 hours and wasn't finished before I got low enough on space to give up on it
22:51:39 <selsta> half a day to sync 6 years is not too bad
22:52:04 <selsta> it can be synced in 2 hours on good hardware
22:52:05 <jwinterm> propatte, this is why bitcoin keeps blocks at 1 MB
22:52:06 <ckbd19> it's just impractal for new users who might want to make a transaction right away
22:52:23 <boldsuck> fullnode blockchain is ~80Gb ;-) Sync 1-2 Days
22:52:30 <hyc> that's why there are public remote nodes
22:52:40 <selsta> ckbd19: you can start the daemon with --bootstrap-daemon-address auto
22:52:42 <jwinterm> average block size now is probably 50 kb or so
22:52:44 <ckbd19> yeah the remote nodes make it more feasible
22:52:46 <hyc> and why the wallet sets a default retore height of "today"
22:52:52 <jwinterm> even with increased activity lately
22:52:57 <selsta> it will sync and you can start using the coin instantly due to it connecting automatically to a remote node
22:53:06 <ckbd19> damn that's cool
22:53:06 <jwinterm> so still way less data being added per day than bitcoin
22:53:25 <jwinterm> however, it is more computationally expensive to verify monero blocks as well
22:53:38 <selsta> so it syncs and uses a remote node at the same time and once you are fully synced up it switches to your node
22:53:46 <ckbd19> is it worth trying to mine on a system not built for mining?
22:54:07 <jwinterm> ckbd19, CPUs are really the only thing worth mining with now
22:54:13 <ckbd19> I have a quadcore xeon and a 1050ti, was considering giving it a go
22:54:25 <ckbd19> yeah a friend of mine had told me that the other day
22:54:35 <hyc> the GPU will be a waste of electricity
22:54:35 <jwinterm> you might get a few mXMR per day
22:54:46 <ckbd19> hm, not too bad
22:54:59 <hyc> and Intel chips in general have not enough on-chip cache to fully utilize them
22:55:11 <hyc> but you might do OK using 50% or less of the CPU
22:55:21 <jwinterm> I don't know what you would get with xeon, but 10 kh/s would earn about 0.01 xmr/day
22:55:22 <ckbd19> yeah if I did it at all it'd be background mining
22:55:31 <jwinterm> my i7 gets about 3 kh/s
22:55:43 <ckbd19> your i7 is probably a lot more powerful
22:55:48 <jwinterm> don't mine with the GUI tho
22:55:53 <jwinterm> unless you want to solo mine
22:55:57 <ckbd19> this pc is a lenovo thinkserver from like 2014
22:56:02 <jwinterm> I think that is "background mining"
22:56:03 <newyearday> what is most important total cache size or total core number
22:56:05 <ckbd19> so it probably wouldn't be great for it
22:56:25 <hyc> newyearday: there is no "most important" - everything must be balanced.
22:56:38 <ckbd19> that's some real zen shit right there hyc
22:56:44 <ckbd19> =b
22:56:51 <hyc> lol
22:59:14 <ckbd19> ok well I'm outta here, I desperately need a shower to wash away my anxiety sweats lmao. thanks again for the help y'all.
23:02:02 <newyearday> which is better  Xeon® E7-8857  Opteron(TM) Processor 6272
23:02:19 <newyearday> for mining
23:03:07 <boldsuck> I'm new with monero. Someone tried 'solo mining'. Full node on supermicro blade E3-1230 v5 CPU 32Gb Ram?
23:04:59 <jwinterm> boldsuck, what is your hashrate
23:18:31 <boldsuck> I started remote node with 'monerod --start-mining --mining-threads 4 --detach'. How can I see the hash rate? In the debug log?
23:18:53 <dEBRUYNE> Try ./monerod status
23:18:56 <dEBRUYNE> It should show the hashrate
23:22:22 <boldsuck> Ahh, OK: :-) Height: 2078322/2078322 (100.0%) on mainnet, mining at 1.92 kH/s, net hash 1.24 GH/s, v12, up to date, 64(out)+36(in) connections, uptime 0d 3h 58m 21s
23:23:56 <dEBRUYNE> Looks good :)
23:24:08 <dEBRUYNE> If you want to exit it, you can run ./monerod exit
23:25:48 <boldsuck> I think that's totally awesome with the separate wallet and the daemon.
23:28:03 <boldsuck> For all the commands, I have to create bash aliases.
23:30:24 <boldsuck> exit? No server rus 24/7/365. a tor-relay
23:30:40 <boldsuck> *runs
23:45:38 <boldsuck> ./monerod mining_status
23:45:40 <boldsuck> Mining at 2.05 kH/s with 4 threads
23:45:41 <boldsuck> PoW algorithm: RandomX
23:45:43 <boldsuck> Expected: 0.002102119936 monero daily, 0.064114658075 monero monthly, 0.7483546975
23:47:27 <boldsuck> Nice. ;-) help shows all commands
23:49:27 <bigslim[m]> Are there any instructions on setting up a tor node on windoze?
23:57:50 <boldsuck> bigslim[m] windows was over 20 years ago. Do you mean a client or relay?