00:24:00 <newyearday> hello
00:36:44 <newyearday> i have a error at file line 200
00:37:18 <newyearday> how to find what is the error in gdb after having bt
10:52:33 <yanmaani> What's the profitability like for web mining nowadays?
10:52:42 <yanmaani> Could it be used as a CAPTCHA replacement?
11:16:43 <asymptotically> yanmaani: it's not going to be running with webassembly or asm.js like it used to, but i think that tevador has created a demo where someone that wants to take part in web mining can run a service on their machine
11:16:53 <asymptotically> and sites that web mine can ask this service to do all the hashing
11:58:12 <charolastra> yanmaani: the browsers have blockes built in now
11:58:52 <charolastra> and you'd need a shit ton of captcha traffic to gain more than a few cents
12:09:27 <yanmaani> If each captcha is $0.01, how long would it take to mine it?
12:36:18 <sech1> yanmaani to mine $0.01 you'd need to mine for ~30 minutes with Ryzen 7 3700X, given that it's set up properly and uses dedicated mining software
12:36:51 <sech1> I'd aim for $0.0001 per captcha
12:40:12 <moneromooo> It could be used as captcha replacement, https://getmonero.org/selene/primo does this.
12:40:48 <moneromooo> It requires user installation first though, so can't "auto deploy" like the coinhive stuff.
12:44:17 <newyearday> hello
12:46:45 <newyearday> when i insert major_version =12;  to cryptonote_basic.h  i have "ss << tx_blob;" error on format_utils.cpp after gdb inspecting
12:48:14 <newyearday> is the first line of error after executing line by line
12:48:59 <newyearday> if i dont add major_version daemon works
13:21:13 <yanmaani> sech1: $0.0001 is below current market price of captcha
13:21:25 <yanmaani> has to be at least $0.001
13:30:40 <sech1> this is 3 minutes of mining on the high end CPU
13:30:46 <sech1> too much for captcha purposes
13:35:21 <moneromooo> Primo has you mine in advance, so you can use the credits later. You would not get a delay unless it's your first time on that site.
13:40:22 <thunderosa> Does anyone know the status of Primo's plugin for Chrome?
13:41:53 <thunderosa> We'd like to deploy Primo on monerooutreach but Firefox only is a bit narrow.
13:42:30 <midipoet> where is good info/overview of Primo?
13:43:47 <thunderosa> https://github.com/selene-kovri/primo
13:44:01 <thunderosa> That's the only info I know of.
13:44:22 <thunderosa> Well, there's an earlier repo: https://github.com/selene-kovri/primo-apache
13:44:30 <moneromooo> https://getmonero.org/selene/primo is the latest one.
13:44:42 <midipoet> thanks moneromooo
13:45:24 <moneromooo> I think it could be changed to use tevador's RPC miner. Tht would make the browser plugin unnecessary.
13:45:32 <thunderosa> yep, just realized that,...thanks!
13:46:26 <thunderosa> Getting rid of the plugin and being able to instantiate with script were the two things I was running into.
13:46:27 <moneromooo> But the browser plugin uses modern calls, so Chrome support should be fairly straightforward in theory.
13:48:10 <thunderosa> I'm a script kiddie and will be out of my depth awfully quick here but I'll be a big fan of anything that makes this simpler for the end user.
13:49:56 <thunderosa> We're not intending to use it as a paywall,...but as an optin feature, so we're basically short circuiting all the Apache stuff.
14:02:40 <newyearday> how to understand which characters are wrong http://paste.debian.net/1136159/
14:04:32 <yanmaani> sech1: that's about what a reCAPTCHA takes over tor
14:05:14 <Freneticks> is it possible to solo mine with a remote node ?
14:05:48 <yanmaani> also I'd rather have three minutes of CPU fan go vrr than recaptcha hell
17:11:18 <znre> I am not sure if this is just a strictly economic question but whenever I hear monero being talked about I keep hearing that it is not a store of value but only a currency. Any idea what they mean? I am sorry my english is not the best.
17:15:41 <lza_menace> at the moment crypto is just another type of asset you can have in your portfolio...it may not be wise to invest all or most of your portfolio into one asset.
17:16:13 <lza_menace> so the store of value thing isn't really accurate
17:16:15 <lza_menace> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhUnEg0he4A
19:00:48 <kico> not sure were to post this
19:00:55 <kico> usually mining soft gets flagged
19:01:07 <kico> but this is the official gui downloaded from the website
19:01:08 <kico> https://i.imgur.com/jgRsQbn.jpg
19:01:29 <kico> dsc_ maybe ?
19:27:35 <dsc_> kico: yes, thats normal
19:27:38 <dsc_> "normal"
19:27:43 <dsc_> AV flags our miner as malware <_<
20:02:36 <convincemepls> I love the fact that monero wallets and transactions are not transparent
20:03:45 <znre> Me too.
20:03:50 <convincemepls> but I am afraid Monero is too small and whales can manipulate it or that it wont survive/make it big because it doesn't have enough inertia
20:04:12 <convincemepls> also I don't like the fact that governments and exchanges are banning it/not supporting it
20:04:18 <convincemepls> redpill me on why I should buy some Monero
20:04:26 <convincemepls> right now I have only Bitcoin
20:04:35 <znre> you shouldn't.
20:04:47 <convincemepls> but the privacy and anonymity tho
20:05:05 <znre> Not a concern for you. It is all good man. You are all good. Don't worry about it.
20:06:09 <moneromooo> For me, that is *the* thing. I use cash to avoid CC companies and shops from building dossiers on me. I won't use a panopticoin if given a choice. I guess it depends on the weight each person places on their privacy.
20:06:52 <znre> What governments have banned it?
20:06:57 <convincemepls> Japan I believe
20:07:02 <nioc> none
20:07:10 <moneromooo> Sadly, the greater the proportion of people who don't care, the heavier the societal pressure on us to let our privacy be violated...
20:07:24 <nioc> more exchanges have added it compared to drlisting
20:07:54 <znre> Yeah. I would not suggest it still convincemepls. You want a real red pill? Link.
20:07:57 <convincemepls> I read that Jpan has banned all privacy coins
20:07:59 <znre> :)
20:08:16 <znre> good luck enforcing it.
20:08:36 <convincemepls> well they enforce it in terms of not allowing exchanges to trade them
20:08:45 <convincemepls> so it just brings it into the dark market
20:09:22 <convincemepls> @znre what do you mean  Link?
20:09:24 <znre> That is a pickle. Real bummer honestly.
20:09:45 <lza_menace> convincemepls i don't think anyone on here will feel compelled enough to convince you to like it or use it...or invest in it
20:10:01 <moneromooo> Link is the green garbed hero of the Zelda family of video games. Link will be here to save us from overbearing spying creeps. Yay!
20:10:19 <znre> C H A I N L I N K. It is going to 'moon'. It is going to reach 10,000 USD by 2021.
20:10:21 <convincemepls> I don't know the Link meme
20:11:20 <convincemepls> ah I dont know anything about the new coins tbh, only ones I ever cared for are bitcoin and monero
20:11:27 <convincemepls> but never bought monero yet
20:13:05 <znre> Well it is too late. You missed the dip. Forever and ever. Stick with fiat and oil.
20:13:27 <convincemepls> quit the sarcasm
20:14:33 <znre> Dead. Serious.
20:39:17 <znre> I hope he learned a valuable lesson.
20:39:41 <znre> Invest in silver or perish.
20:41:24 <kiwi_7496> Hello, I am a noob. I have a easy question though: Should I create a wallet for each user or just an account ?
20:41:28 <kiwi_7496> What is the best practice
20:41:43 <kiwi_7496> Simple ecommerce, with woocommerce
20:44:59 <znre> Stick around kiwi_7496 because I am curious as well.
20:46:00 <kiwi_7496> I will, currently, it seems that one wallet with many accounts is what seems to be a good way to me. znre
21:06:49 <asymptotically> kiwi_7496: you shouldn't create a wallet or an account per user, but just a subaddress
21:07:18 <asymptotically> also if you are using woo commerce i think there's already a plugin around, unless you wanted the joy/pain of writing your own :D
21:14:53 <kiwi_7496> Okay, thanks for the update. :-)
21:15:29 <kiwi_7496> asymptotically - I will take a look into both, first how I create a subaddress and later into the plugin
21:22:18 <newyearday> hello
21:23:06 <asymptotically> kiwi_7496: https://github.com/monero-integrations/monerowp
21:25:40 <SerHack> asymptotically: I haven't forgotten about the fix
21:26:03 <kiwi_7496> thanks
21:26:16 <asymptotically> SerHack: it looks like someone can uninstall the plugin and install it again, but would they lose anything important?
21:26:29 <kiwi_7496> could you explain why an account per user is bad, and a subaddress is better asymptotically ?
21:26:45 <SerHack> asymptotically: no, the configuration still remains.
21:26:59 <asymptotically> kiwi_7496: users using your site wouldn't see any difference. its just that all of your funds in different accounts are separate
21:27:10 <asymptotically> so when you go to spend your monero somewhere, it'll be a pain
21:28:33 <kiwi_7496> I understand, thanks
22:10:22 <kiwiii> I have a question, how can I create a MultiSig Wallet with the PHP Integration? If I as example run: $prepare_multisig = $this->walletRPC->prepare_multisig();   $make_multisig = $this->walletRPC->make_multisig($prepare_multisig, '1','Test') --- I always get an error Request have return error: Invalid params; Request
22:10:33 <kiwiii> The Integration is provided by SerHack
22:18:20 <xmrmatterbridge> <serhack> kiwiii: I've been working on PHP library for weeks. I'm going to update the library to fix this problem asap.
22:19:02 <kiwiii> So is this a problem and not my fault ?
22:19:08 <kiwiii> xmrmatterbridge
22:19:47 <lza_menace> kiwiii: xmrmatterbridge is just a bridge into another chat channel - the person responding is SerHack, the lib author
22:20:14 <kiwiii> oh
22:20:22 <kiwiii> Thanks Iza_menace
22:20:37 <Lza_menace> np :)
22:20:38 <kiwiii> Serhack - So this is not a problem with me, but a bug with the library ?